We Will Build the Wall
Trump Refers to Himself in the Second Sense
Resistance is Futile
Please consider President Trump, Day After Shutdown Ends, Says ‘We Will Build the Wall’.
President Trump showed no sign Saturday he was prepared to give up his insistence on a border wall, as negotiators prepare to begin talks aimed at keeping the government open and resolving a bitter impasse over funding for the wall.
Under the deal struck Friday, House and Senate negotiators appointed by congressional leadership will use the next three weeks to see if they can settle the dispute over funding for a wall along the Mexican border.
Since taking office in 2017, Mr. Trump has seen his leverage on the issue dwindle. Republicans, who controlled Congress for much of his presidency, lost the House majority in the midterm elections in November. Polling shows that voters largely blamed him for a shutdown that left about 800,000 federal workers without pay. Neither party has shown much appetite for another shutdown if Mr. Trump doesn’t get the wall money he wants in the new round of negotiations.
Not a Concession
Not a concession?
Get real.
Pelosi Won
You can agree with Trump on the need for a wall. But that does not matter at this stage. What does matter is Pelsoi won the fight.
It would be politically stupid for her to cave in for no reason now. She won’t. Nor does the Senate have any stomach for another government shutdown. It would be the third kick in the head.
In fact, a Congressional override of a budget approval is likely in order if Trump goes down that path. And that would be the end of it.
Emergency Declaration
If Trump sticks to his guns, he will make an emergency declaration. There will be a Congressional challenge, and it will get tied up in the courts.
My Constitutional lawyer friends in DC tell me they are confident Trump would lose. Bear in mind that “confident” and “sure thing” are two very different things.
My guess is Trump loses the battle. But then he can whine about the courts rather than Pelosi.
Two Years Wasted
Trump had two years to negotiate a good deal. He got nothing despite the fact that a year ago, Democrats agreed to fund the wall to the tuned of $20 billion dollars.
Yes, Trump turned down an offer of $20-$25 billion for wall funding in return for amnesty for long-standing dreamers. That was up for negotiation. Trump could have insisted as part of the deal the dreamers not have a criminal record. Democrats would likely have agreed to that condition.
Instead, Trump got nothing.
Totally Trump’s Fault – TTF
This is totally Trump’s fault. I propose TTF if you want to reduce that to three characters.
Trump is a pathetic negotiator. There is no other way of looking at this.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
As soon as KamalToe Harris gets in office in 2021, she’ll hire illegals to cut the wall down with acetylene torches.
Wall or no wall, there’ll be little progress unless E-verify is enforced this time. And for those buying the scam that E-verify is just horrendously unmanageable, try leaving a single, simple 1099 form with income off your tax return and discover personally just how quick IRS computers can kick out a flag on your return.
No deal is possible with the Beltway swamp dwellers. It’s like trying to negotiate a deal with the two biggest Mexican cartels on stopping illegal drugs crossing the border. Both national parties are up to their gills in benefits from illegal immigration. Expect no deal, but maybe a wall of sorts this time.
It is really simple:
If Trump does NOT build the wall he will be a one-term president and will be remembered as a LIAR and a total FAILURE.
Therefore since Trump is a bit of a narcissist and it matters to him a lot what people think about him and I believe he would like to be a 2-term president his only choice is to get the wall built.
Also Mexico is now giving migrants trying to cross Mexico and come to USA 12 month temporary humanitarian residence permits therefore USA should REFUSE to accept any asylum applications from them either at ports of entry or at the border or inside USA and just refuse them entry or return them BACK to Mexico since they have a valid residence permit there and there is nobody persecuting them in Mexico.
The credible fear evaluations are a JOKE since Geneva Convention on refugees does NOT count abusive spouses back home or gang threats back home as valid reasons to claim asylum but for some reason leftist/Democrat judges let people like this pass through the credible fear evaluation after which they are allowed to ask for asylum.
Sessions was supposed to fix this but apparently the bureaucracy has swallowed this Sessions tightening and Trump and Jared are too stupid to notice that 99% of the asylum claims are meritless and should NOT pass the credible fear stage.
You don’t seriously believe whether Trump is a liar or not is still an open question.
Agreed, I think Trump will wriggle out a political win on this however he can. The only thing that could stop him is if Republican congressmen abandon him — and he is still too popular with their voters for that to happen. His approval rating is still over 40% according to WSJ/NBC.
I also think he just turned the tables on the Democrats: they will now look like the obstructionists in February if they refuse any funding at all, and all he had to do was extend the government for 3 weeks. While it is true that a normal person would be humiliated by having to sacrifice on principle like he just did, Trump is not a normal person and he has no principles.
I still believe that Trump hasn’t realised that his usual negotiating tactic (bullying / intimidating) is very effective in the world of financial assest (when there is only one issue to be negotiated: money) but not in negotiations that encompass multiple issues. He wants a wall, and just needs to find out what he has to give so he gets enough votes. But he is clearly a one trick pony and that makes him so amazingly ineffective. And, off topic, since I don’t agree with many of his priorities, so far it’s been good to see him screw up just about any initiative to be honest.
Trump could rev up immigration enforcement bigly and leverage on DACA. Dems will cave.
Wouldn’t he need more funding to do that? Funding that constitutionally comes from congress.
DACA plus HR1 = $5.9B Wall Funding
Mitch will have a fit.
There is likely to be a deal. Billions for Dem programs and a 5 billion dollar wall so Trump can claim he kept his promise. Both sides will claim victory; the losers will be the American people. That’s what will be happening behind the scenes(in Venezuala and elsewhere).
Don’t forget that the 21-day funding program will expire otherwise.
The political cost to Trump for another shutdown would be catastrophic… really it already has been. Of all the outcomes, I think another shutdown is really unlikely, although as a Trump hater I would welcome the idiot trying it again. What education is there in the third kick of a mule?
Was it Yogi Bera that said it isn’t over until it’s over? The clock is still ticking.
Who is going to negotiate with this guy, when he constantly lies, breaks his word, stiffs contractors, and surrounds himself with crooks? Trump will get nothing, and cry about it until he’s escorted from the oval office.
Let’s check in on the scoreboard:
34 Indictments/Charges (Individuals) (and counting)
3 Indictments/Charges (Companies) 5 GUILTY pleas (and counting) 4 CONVICTIONS (and counting)
Indicted: Roger Stone Indicted: Paul Manafort Indicted: Rick Gates Indicted: George Papadopoulos Indicted: Michael Flynn Indicted: Michael Cohen Indicted: Richard Pinedo Indicted: Alex gvan der Zwaan Indicted: Konstantin Kilimnik Indicted: 12 Russian GRU officers Indicted: Yevgeny Prigozhin Indicted: Mikhail Burchik Indicted: Aleksandra Krylova Indicted: Anna Bogacheva Indicted: Sergey Polozov Indicted: Maria Bovda Indicted: Dzheykhun Aslanov Indicted: Vadim Podkopaev Indicted: Irina Kaverzina Indicted: Gleb Vasilchenko Indicted: Internet Research Agency Indicted: Concord Management
Guilty Plea: Michael Flynn Guilty Plea: Michael Cohen Guilty Plea: George Papadopolous Guilty Plea: Richard Pinedo Guilty Plea: Alex van der Zwaan Guilty Plea: Rick Gates
Over 191 Criminal Charges (and counting):
Conspiracy against the USA (2 counts) Conspiracy to launder money (2 counts) Bank fraud (8 counts) Bank fraud conspiracy (10 counts) Subscribing to false tax returns (10 counts) Making false statements (6 counts) Failure to file reports of foreign bank accounts (14 counts) Unregistered agent of a foreign principal (2 counts) False FARA statements (2 counts) Subscribing to false tax returns (10 counts)
Assisting in preparation of false tax documents (5 counts) Conspiracy to defraud the United States (13 counts) Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud (2 counts) Aggravated identity theft (24 counts)
Comey is gone- he was corrupt. Strzok is gone- he was corrupt. McCabe is gone- he was corrupt. Just how long is the list of corrupt government people who meddled in our election? How corrupt is Mueller? We don’t know, yet.
I can play yea, but what if too:
Yeah, but what if Nancy Regan was a robot created by Israeli scientists to secretly secure their supply of kosher foods? Haven’t heard about that one? That’s because it worked perfectly, and ALL you fools were hoodwinked! Study it out!
Among those the four men you mention, how many have confessed to crimes against the country? Been indighted for anything… ever? Do they have any associates under indightment? Are they minions of George Soros, or the Lizard people?
We don’t know yet.
Had you listened to Trump’s speech on Friday instead of limiting your info to twitter, you would have realized the wall is limited in scope -he said it in plain English “we do not need 2000 miles of wall from sea to shining sea” [his words for those who pay attention]. As for challenging the wall in court if he uses emergency powers that are clearly granted in the statutes, it is less than obvious how this could be done and who would have standing to bring a suit about what is after all just a fund re-allocation (I would suggest listening to real / qualified lawyers on that subject instead of your cousin Vinnie or the idiots on CNN, NBC, FOX etc). The problem with Trump is that he is a negotiator and like most negotiators he is unable to recognize when it’s time to stop negotiating…
Yes Yes. The ridiculous and unnecessary wall (that Mexico will pay for and solves a nonexistent problem) has devolved to some fencing and duct tape. So long as the clown in chief can still claim he’s winning. Something.
Trump is breaking his election promise if the wall/barrier/fence is just put on some places.
Trump promised a wall on the WHOLE US-Mexico border.
Also the current fences and barriers built under Clinton, Bush and Obama have led to migrants trying to cross the border in desert areas where there is no barrier or fence and hundreds die each year in the desert.
The only humane solution is a WALL on the WHOLE border.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, I voted for Trump.
he’s talkin smack,he knows the Wall is dead,once you capitulate no will take you seriously
His emergency declaration will will get him a bigger spanking from Ruth Ginsnberg than he got from Nancy Pelosi. I’m beginning to wonder if he’s into getting spanked by tiny women.
Do you have any proof that Ginsnberg (sic) is still alive?
Martin Armstrong…” But I would simply use the Terrorist powers of the Patriot Act to build the wall and claim that Terrorists can enter the country by flying into Central or South America to avoid the airports and the cross the border on foot even with a small tactical nuclear weapon that would fit in the base of a vending machine. That would be end of story”.
and that is why that patriot act is one stupidest and most dangerous things ever done by the US government. too easy to abuse.
Or just put one in a refrigerator box and pay to have it shipped into SF bay or Puget Sound
“Trump is a pathetic negotiator. There is no other way of looking at this.”
Mish I suggest you read a book or 2 about professional negotiating advice. Every one of them will tell you that there are some people who you just cannot negotiate with, and so you just have to figure out how to get around them. You really should not be writing about things you don’t understand.
you are the one who do not want to accept the obvious.. Trump negotiate by bluster and empty pocket.. when called for his bluff , he fold.. as simple as that
“there are some people who you just cannot negotiate with”
Yeah, and Nancy was only playing one-dimensional checkers and whipped Trump’s ass.
It doesn’t matter what books Mish reads, it won’t make any difference. If Nancy had capitulated, Trump would be closing the Government every two weeks if he didn’t get his way. Nobody thinks Nancy is that dumb, but most people think Trump is.
Trump did not “refer to himself in the second sense”, Mish. Read it again, it was a quote from Obama’s border chief.
Stick a fork in him. He’s done.
Mish , look at W.Ross comment on the furloughed workers.. if this is the mindset of trump’s economic people.. do you think they care about ordinary americans if the trade war with china become worse ? all they care is ‘winning’ and claiming victory and not for american people but for their own ego and for boasting purposes..
and i cannot imagine just how ignorant trump supporters are , to trust this narcissict and egoist president to bring betterment for the nation , when it is obvious he do not have emphaty for ordinary ppl ?
addendum : when i refer to trump supporters , i am refering to ordinary people , not the usual trolls that frequent this site , the usual suspecst that peddle govt narrative no matter how stupid it is
This is a tiny, editorial detail, but did anyone notice this phrase, “shutdown that left about 800,000 federal workers without pay”? Wouldn’t “shutdown that left about 800,000 federal workers idle” be more accurate?
A lot of them worked without pay
… for a little while.
Let’s face it, some of the 800,000 live paycheck-to-paycheck, like, I understand, 40-50% of Americans. Some have enough savings to pay the minimum on their credit cards for a few months and can run up loans on those to get by, and some have the recommended six months of liquid savings or a working spouse who could cover them and were fine.
Of these, some were forced to work, and others stayed at home.
The “winners” were the ones with six months of liquid savings who weren’t required to come into work. At a rough guess I’d put that at 50% (working vs. at home) of 10% (those with six months savings or a working spouse who could cover them) of 800,000.
Thus a “pull it out of my ass” guess is that 40,000 workers are really pissed that Trump folded and have to go back to work after their paid vacation.