I was hoping cooler heads would prevail. But I did not realistically expect that.
Background
Immigration authorities and demonstrators have clashed for three days in the Los Angeles area, with unrest beginning Friday after dozens of people were detained by federal immigration agents across different locations.
In response, Trump deployed 2,000 National Guard troops that California Governor Gavin Newsom did not request and did not want.
CNN Live Updates
CNN reports Protests intensify in Los Angeles after Trump deploys National Guard
- Confrontations intensify: The Los Angeles Police Department declared a protest outside the Metropolitan Detention Center an “unlawful” assembly and authorized the use of “less lethal munitions.” CNN field crews have witnessed officers striking and pushing protesters and deploying flash-bangs and tear gas into the crowd.
- LA deployment: About 300 National Guardsmen are deployed at three locations around Los Angeles, the California governor’s office said this morning. It follows a presidential memorandum signed by President Donald Trump calling up 2,000 National Guardsmen to protect federal personnel and property at protests sparked by immigration raids – the first time a president has called in the National Guard without a state’s request or consent since 1965.
- Trump and Newsom: California Gov. Gavin Newsom called Trump on Friday, and they spoke for approximately 40 minutes, according to the governor’s office. Trump has claimed, without evidence, that he was forced to step in because California Democratic officials, including Newsom, were incapable of stopping the protests themselves.
- Governor Newsom requests Trump administration rescind deployment of National Guard troops. “We didn’t have a problem until Trump got involved,” Newsom said on X, announcing his request.
- President Donald Trump wanted to create civil unrest by calling in the National Guard to Los Angeles, Rep. Nanette Barragán said as tensions rose at a protest in the city’s downtown area. “This is a president who didn’t even send in the National Guard on Jan. 6 … so this president really has no credibility when it comes to law and order,” she said.
- Approximately 500 active-duty Marines “prepared to deploy,” NORTHCOM says
Demonstrators flooded the streets, including blocking lanes on freeways, near an initial protest site at the Metropolitan Detention Center after the assembly was declared “unlawful” by the Los Angeles Police Department.
Aerial footage showed masses of people blocking lanes in both directions on the 101 freeway Sunday afternoon, causing a significant traffic disruption where the 101 and 110 freeways converge, marking the third day of protests following ICE raids across the state.
Entrances to the 101 began reopening approximately 90 minutes after the full freeway closure, where law enforcement worked to push the protesters off the freeway up the on-ramp. Several other road closures persist.
In a Sunday evening news conference, Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass said hundreds of demonstrators managed to reach the freeway, with thousands of others occupying nearby streets.
Approximately 500 active-duty Marines “prepared to deploy,” NORTHCOM says
Approximately 500 active-duty Marines are on a “prepared to deploy status” as unrest in Los Angeles over federal immigration enforcement continues, US Northern Command said Sunday evening.
The marines would be deployed from the Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center in Twentynine Palms, California, according to a NORTHCOM press release.
President Donald Trump has already federalized 2,000 California National Guard soldiers, over the objection of state and local officials.
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth had said Saturday that active-duty Marines were preparing to deploy to L.A., if the unrest continued.
The use of active-duty troops, especially against the wishes of local authorities, would mark a significant escalation of the federal government’s response to the unrest.
Rules of Engagement Unclear
Rules of engagement are directives given to military troops by their commanders before any operation outlining what force may be authorized and under what circumstances. CNN crews have observed California National Guard troops staged around the city carrying standard-issued military M4 rifles affixed with magazines, suggesting the firearms are loaded with ammunition.
Asked about the rules of engagement by reporters Sunday, Trump said simply, “We’ll see what happens.”
“If we think there’s a serious insurrection, or less than that, we’re gonna have law and order,” he said.
CNN Chief Law Enforcement and Intelligence Analyst John Miller said Sunday that “we don’t know what those rules of engagement are.”
This is the first time a president has called in the National Guard without state consent or request since 1965, when President Lyndon B. Johnson called in troops to guard civil rights protesters marching from Selma to Montgomery, Alabama. California Gov. Gavin Newsom has called the deployment “purposefully inflammatory.”
The Legal Issues Surrounding Use of Troops to Suppress Protests
The New York Times reports The Legal Issues Surrounding Trump’s Plan to Use Troops to Suppress Protests
Setting up a rare use of military force on domestic soil, President Trump ordered the Pentagon on Saturday night to send at least 2,000 National Guard troops to respond to protests in Los Angeles set off by his immigration crackdown.
Mr. Trump has long mused about using military force on domestic soil to crush violent protests or riots, fight crime and hunt for undocumented migrants — a move that his aides talked him out of during his first term. Between his two presidencies, he said that he would do so without the consent of state governors if he returned to power.
Stephen I. Vladeck, a Georgetown University law professor, wrote in a Substack post analyzing the order that for now the federalized troops appeared to have limited authority. Once deployed, they will be able to protect ICE agents and federal buildings against attacks by protesters but not to carry out immigration raids or police the city’s streets in general.
But Mr. Trump’s order did not specify any standards for when troops would be able to use force — like arresting people or shooting them — if his administration deemed a protest to threaten federal personnel, property or functions.
Notably, Mr. Hegseth has railed against military lawyers who promoted what he saw as unduly restrictive rules of engagement aimed at protecting civilians in war zones. He has fired the top judge advocate general lawyers who give advice on legal constraints. And his remarks on Saturday and Sunday about using troops in Los Angeles have not signaled restraint.
In a social media post, Mr. Hegseth called protests against ICE in Los Angeles “violent mob assaults” designed to prevent the removal of undocumented migrants who he said were engaged in an “invasion.”
Is it legal to use federal troops on U.S. soil?
Usually it is not, but sometimes it can be. Under an 1878 law called the Posse Comitatus Act, it is normally illegal to use federal troops on domestic soil for policing purposes. But an 1807 law, the Insurrection Act, creates an exception to that ban for situations in which the president decides that “unlawful obstructions, combinations or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States,” make it “impracticable” to enforce federal law.
What legal authority did Trump cite?
Mr. Trump invoked a statute, Section 12406 of Title 10 of the U.S. Code, that allows him to call National Guard members and units into federal service under certain circumstances, including during a rebellion against the authority of the federal government. But he did not invoke the Insurrection Act.
The call-up statute does not, on its face, confer any authority to use federal troops in the ways Mr. Trump authorized Mr. Hegseth to use them. But Mr. Trump also referred to “the authority vested in me as president by the Constitution,” which may mean his administration thinks he can claim inherent power as president to use troops on U.S. soil in those ways.
Notably, during the Vietnam War, William H. Rehnquist, the future Supreme Court justice, wrote memos for the Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel saying that presidents had inherent power to use troops to prevent antiwar protesters from obstructing federal functions or damaging federal property in Washington, D.C., and at the Pentagon.
Using troops in such a protective capacity would not violate the Posse Comitatus Act, Mr. Rehnquist argued as a Justice Department official. But there was no definitive court test of that idea. Moreover, the nation’s capital and the campus of the Pentagon are both federal enclaves, unlike the businesses in Los Angeles where ICE agents are carrying out raids.
Must a state’s governor consent to federal troops?
Not always. But using federal troops on domestic soil outside military bases for policing purposes has happened only in rare and extraordinary circumstances, and doing so over the objection of a state’s governor has been even more unusual.
A president last used federal troops for domestic policing purposes in 1992, when President George H.W. Bush invoked the Insurrection Act to suppress widespread rioting that broke out in Los Angeles after a jury acquitted police officers who had been videotaped beating a Black motorist, Rodney King. But in that case, California’s governor, Pete Wilson — and Los Angeles’s mayor, Tom Bradley — asked for federal assistance in restoring order.
Notably, during the last presidential campaign, Mr. Trump said that if he returned to the White House, he would dispatch military forces into cities like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco without any request for intervention by the local authorities.
Will Trump’s move be challenged in court?
The chances of litigation challenging the order seem high. But it is early, and little concrete has happened so far. Notably, early Sunday morning, Mr. Trump praised the National Guard on social media “for a job well done,” even though no federalized troops were on the ground in Los Angeles yet.
One potential plaintiff is California’s government. It would most likely have standing to sue on states’ rights grounds and could argue that isolated instances of violence that do not overwhelm the capacity of local law enforcement authorities are not enough to meet legal standards for deploying federal troops.
Mr. Newsom’s public statements appear to be laying such groundwork. He has said “there is currently no unmet need” for additional security assistance. He has also urged protesters stay peaceful and “never use violence” to avoid giving Mr. Trump an excuse for a “spectacle,” and called Mr. Hegseth’s threat to deploy active-duty Marines “deranged behavior.”
Section 12406 also says that orders for National Guard call-ups “shall be issued through the governors of the states,” which could provide a basis for Mr. Newsom to argue that the California National Guard can be federalized under that law only with his concurrence.
What a Sorry State of Affairs
I don’t know how the court will rule, but it seems that Section 12406 gives Newsom a strong challenge.
Trump would then fall back on other laws. Regardless, Trump was itching for a fight and got one.
This is a far cry from the position Trump twice laid out.
What Could Have Been
On December 24, 2024, I noted Trump Backs Down From Strong Sweeping Deportation Promise
Both Trump and his border czar are sending strong messages that Trump’s deportation plan won’t live up to his campaign hype.
“This isn’t going to be neighborhood sweeps and military vehicles going through the city,” Homan said in an interview with Dr. Phil McGraw on Thursday after meeting with New York Mayor Eric Adams. “I told him, you know, President Trump and myself have committed that this is going to be a targeted enforcement operation.”
The president-elect’s allies also are concerned by the Trump team’s willingness to exclude some categories of migrants. Trump said in a recent interview with NBC, for example, that he wanted to work with Democrats to come up with legislation to protect Dreamers, immigrants in the U.S. illegally who were brought as children, from deportation. Backers of hard-line immigration policies view an exemption for Dreamers, who often have bipartisan support, as a slippery slope.
Trump repeated a similar message in a direct interview with the Wall Street Journal.
In response, I commented, if you want know what kind of dreamer deal to expect, please see my November 7, 2024 post The New Home for Hispanics is the Republican Party
National Guard troops are in LA, uninvited and unwanted. How unfortunate.
More people would have been deported and we would have had more business certainty if Trump had worked out a deal that he twice mentioned.
Instead, we have chaos.
Odd, I guess CNN didn’t see any demonstrators attacking officers and agents, which is odd because it’s all over X.
You would think all the lawyers and legal scholars would focus on something simple:
What is the oath of office for the governor of California?
I, ________________________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of California against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States and the ..
My goodness. If we were to discharge all of those in government who have broken their oath, the size of government would be considerably smaller indeed.
This is the same blueprint used in 2020 which ravaged American cities. Kudos to President Trump for challenging these architects of chaos. Immigration must be enforced. Immigration officers should not be assualted doing their jobs.
It is June again. Summer of Love 2.0.
The real pipe dreamers are the republican and democrat congress, admin, beaurocrats, federal reserve, state officials. This is all straight out of the partisan division playbook. An instigated showdown complete with advertising and pay per view like some mma fight, designed to get the american people to pick a side, but both sides are the same debt and inflation. They want to trick people in staying with the very thing theyre sick and tired of. Tell the culture war instigating uniparty to grow grow up and stop being stupid.
When state and local officials resist or fail to enforce the laws they were sworn to uphold, they invite federal intervention.
And if it gets bad enough, they risk being charged.
The bottom line here is that this is Trump pushing to achieve the end of sanctuary cities. ICE should be all up & down NYC, Chicago, Denver, LA, Houston, etc.
The violent protests are just the recipe that’s needed to make Trump’s job of amping up deportations that much easier.
I honestly don’t know how Trump can be given fault for any of this. Some keep on yammering about ‘the Dreamers’ – I’m sure many of those ‘Dreamers’ are running around waving Mexican or whatever flags and talking about ‘la raza’ and other nonsense. The whole character of this discussion seems to be bent toward ‘we have to think about those poor working people’. I am a child immigrant – my parents came here legally from Southern Europe in the 70’s. Nobody was running around making demands. My parents scrimped and saved and never took any welfare because they had personal pride. Through various trials and tribulations, I personally joined the military in part to pay for my college education. That’s called sacrificing for the future. Frankly, F^&K the ‘Dreamers’ and all of these bought-and-paid-for entitlement agitators.
Boot licking right wingers here pretend to care about immigration but all they want is circus peanuts and violence. If they cared about immigration they would be going after the owners of farms, packing housings, slaughter houses, etc. This is nothing but theater for low IQ MAGAs. Nothing is achieved… in fact it’s counterproductive since dumping resources into civil unrest precludes any sort of actual effective policing of immigration. Trump will lose control of government in 2027 at the latest and there will be no actual progress on any issues- instead we will have ballooning debt, broken civil engagement, widespread cynicism, and disfunctional government. This is government by morons, for morons.
Yikes! Don’t hold your breath, Phil.
Phil. Are you aware, or anyone else for that matter how this whole thing started? I doubt it.
ICE was not serving warrants or trying to arrest ANYONE based on an illegal status. This was for serving warrants in a criminal investigation.
So now apparently democrats and apparently you, not sure if you knew the whole facts) but apparently you can be an illegal immigrant and commit crimes and because you are an illegal we now cant serve with a warrant to appear in court or arrest you?
Really now??????
Home Depot is complicit in this as it provides a hiring hall more or less for these illegals to offer their services too assorted contractors. Rather than complain about the contractors the source should be eliminated and the source where the illegals offer services is at that big orange box. Home Depot wasn’t always like this but management changed and now we have this mess. Home Depot’s facilitations of the illegals needs addressed and its a nationwide problem.
Who cares about Home Depot, what about the entire farming and meat packing industries that hire undocumented workers by the hundreds of thousands? Why aren’t the owners of these businesses and corporations being jailed? The answer: this is nothing but bread and circuses for the dumbest voters among us.
Well for one thing two wrongs do not make a right and because Tyson does it do we excuse Home Depot? All avenues need to be exploited. I might suggest that Tyson built a new plant in Caseyville Illinois which is right next to Fairmont City Illinois and should you visit there you would swear you are in Mexico. At the same time the much larger metropolitan area has dozens of Home Depots so numerically which situation is worse? They are both wrong and should be dealt with accordingly and excusing Home Depot because of what Tyson does is a large part of the reasoning’s why we are in the mess we are in.
The Democrats own this one. They on purpose conflate immigrants and Mexicans with the deportations. The whole line from Trump Admin was to capture and remove dangerous felons and gangs-not go after Scarlett Johanssen’s gardeners and maids.
They think they can win back the latino vote by generalizing the ICE raids. They have tried this with the Jewish population by invoking Nazi word. They tried this with Blacks by calling him a racist. Its not working so great for the DNC as their credibility is at all all time low. The violence is a necessary media event by the DNC to pin this on Trump. All this to keep their stolen money
I totally support Trump on this one. Shoot them with tear gas and rubber bullets and arrest them. You cannot obstruct ICE and wave Mexican flags and cause all kinds of vandalism and anarchy. Put them in work camps in the desert like Sheriff Joe did in Arizona. Those that are illegal, thrown them out of the country and raid their residences to see who is illegal there. Tough love.
Quick, find some dog catcher judge in West Village to stop Trump!
All around insanity. Turning the city upside down to catch a few undocumented workers at Home Depot. Was it worth it?
If you would happen to actually expend effort to find out who ICE is going after you will find they are going after those illegals with criminal records. Court Dockets are a good source of information as to where to look. These people would not be on Court Dockets for hanging out at a Home Depot.
Now that there are rioters doing their thing, means more criminals to get rounded up and deported or if they turn out to be US citizens they can now face Federal charges for their habits of anarchy.
Even Tom Homan, ICE acting director admits they’re arresting people with no criminal background. If you’d actually expend the effort to find out what ICE is up to…
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lr6hcckipm2p
But I wonder how you’re going to feel when the military comes to the streets of your little corner of redstate America, or when it’s a democratic president that unilaterally sends in the military against the wishes of your mayor and governor?
They are here illegally. That’s all you need to know and accept. Most likely collecting welfare benefits that I pay for.Out!!!
If Newscum and the other political trash would start a work-visa program for individuals where these people are registered AND the employer pays a fee along with the temporary immigrant worker, I’d be for this. Sorry Democrats, you ain’t getting your cheap labor and your cheap votes!!!
Ha, ha, ha.
You probably live in Crotch-Rot Arkansas. Your tax money didn’t pay for anything. But I will bookmark this for the day one of your trailer parks gets invaded by the feds and you’re suddenly crying “Don’t tread on me, bro!”.
Maybe you missed Biden’s DOJ going after parents complaining at school board meetings.
You’ll notice they are not actually going after the big employers of undocumented workers… you are one of the fools who falls for bread and circuses!
Sure if you’re a MAGA moron trying to find a way to save face for completely counterproductive clown show government… this is the stupidest Americans’ idea of what responsible government looks like, LOL
Was it worth it? – Sure if you’re a MAGA imbecile who doesn’t care about anything beyond “owning the libs.” Meanwhile no problem was solved and things get worse for everyone day by day.
Sign me up, Phil, as your most hated MAGA moron.
AWESOME!
YES!!! IT’S WORTH IT!
WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS.
THE DEMS HAVE BEEN F’ING UP IMMIGRATION FOR DECADES NOW.
IT’S TIME FOR MAJOR CHANGE.
AND THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT TRUMP WAS ELECTED TO DO.
ALL OF THESE VIOLENT PROTESTS ARE AMMO FOR TRUMP.
IT VASTLY INCREASES HIS ABILITY TO WIN ON APPEAL FOR WANTING TO USE THE ALIEN ENEMIES ACT.
HE’S DOING EXACTLY WHAT’S NEEDED AND WILL DO THE SAME IN DENVER, NYC, CHICAGO, ETC.
Plus it has the added benefit that it will increase self deportation and less political interference from sanctuary cities.
That is a factually incorrect statement. But hey, you be you.
“In response, Trump deployed 2,000 National Guard troops that California Governor Gavin Newsom did not request and did not want.”
In the Rodney King Riots, the governor waited too long to send in the National Guard. They were delayed even longer as they didn’t have ammunition available to them initially. The Marxist leftists want violence and use any excuse to foment it. Newsom should have sent in the National Guard. But Newsom sides with the illegal aliens, instead of the American people, as does the Democrat Party.
Fortunately, elements of the Korean Army were there to mitigate the destruction.
I sure remember that! God Bless those people. White’s would be pissing in their pants. They took the bull by the horns and taught that ghetto trash some manners.
Trump sides with brown shirts and Nazis. He won’t be around for long though, thank god. Here’s hoping Musk releases Trump’s pedo files on X.
Sure Anitfa.
Leftist propaganda.
Will Soros begin or CONTINUE to BUS IN PROTESTERS? Are there enough Latins who are into this for money?
The Latino people that I know, some in my own family (married in) are HARD-WORKING, get ahead types of immigrants. They remained here since the 1960’s and two of them are worth more than Ten Million.
HOW BAD does this need to get for a Removal of Trump and a replacement is then put into effect? Will it HAVE to include other Liberal cities in other States…or, are SF and PORTLAND NEXT? Will this be like the BLM protests again?
Dave likes Cheap Labor and hates laws and policies that bring wages up for American citizens
Or he just F’ing hates Trump so much that what you suggest appears to be the case.
Only David knows.
Trump is the president. He was elected to do exactly what he’s doing.
The end game here is for SCOTUS to find sanctuary city laws to be unconstitutional.
That’s where all of this is headed.
FYI – You’re not going to solve the $2T annual budget deficit without eliminating virtually all of the services provided to illegals at the expense of US taxpayers. We are spending hundreds of billions of dollars on this.
IS this TRUMP against the other Money man, SOROS?
IS this TRUMP against another Money Man, NEWSOM?
A more broad question: WHO or WHAT is on the other side of the TRADE, since MONEY is all that Matters to TrumpCO and CONGRESS?
Mish, what do you think?
WHERE WILL the money come from to keep this battle brewing and from spilling over the other LIBERAL CONCLAVES, such as Oregon?
If we tune out the noise and find the money trails, this COULD explain it all in the long run.
IS there a concerted effort to (quite dangerously) escalate this to a point where Trump’s Removal will have to occur, putting Kamala in control? OR SOME OTHER ENTITY withing the Government.
I cannot recall my Constitution test, but is it the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE if someone simply removes Trump or is it the VP? I think it is the VP, but a discussion on the line of succession would be interesting nevertheless.
Here’s a hypothetical:
Waiting on platform for the Red Line subway in Downtown Chicago to show up one night. There are three cars: first is empty, middle one has all the locals, the third one only has Vlad (“dictator”, “thug”, etc.) One can move through the cars via a very narrow connected door.
Which car do you board?
Trump should send in the military, arrest the unpeaceful protesters which may also be illegals and deport them. Charge them with federal crimes. Also send in additional ICE agents to show them who is in charge.
Trump should send the military to the eastern boarder of California and jump up and down at the same time.
Assuming there’s not sarcasm here, I agree 100%!
Really up to the people of California to decide how they want their State run.
Go along with let it all burn to the ground Newsom and Bass or maybe, just maybe Californians want to be able to walk the streets safely in the towns and cities they call home.
Being told endlessly there was nothing could be done about illegals under Biden, then a new President comes to Office and actively works to straighten things out.
Thanks for posts and articles supporting illegals and ongoing Lawlessness could not make Trumps case any better.
– Treason is the crime of attacking a state authority to which one owes allegiance.
> Not directly, but “If” the National Guard, when called up/in, becomes a “State Authority” then we got them.
– This typically includes acts such as:
1. participating in a war against one’s native country. > Nope!
2. attempting to overthrow its government, > Nope (Unless the call up changes that)
3. spying on its military, its diplomats, its officials, or its secret services for a hostile foreign power, or attempting to kill its head of state. > Nope!
4. A person who commits treason is known in law as a traitor. > See Below
5. A Traitor is: A traitor is someone who is disloyal and betrays their country, friends, or beliefs, often by supporting an enemy or revealing secrets. This term is generally used in a disapproving context.
>> That very last sentence is extremely important. With that being said, Will the Courts consider these acts of “Violent Protests” against our Civil Laws of Justice, and those trying to carry out those orders from Our President, being a “Traitor”? Let’s take a look from the definition above:
1. Disloyal to America – Yes
2. Betrays America by Supporting the Enemy – Up for Debate, but if you’re disloyal, then you are betraying America, No?
Biden’s legacy burns on
Trump will come up millions short of Obama’s deportation record yet protests rage.
Where were these protestors when Biden and Obama were kicking illegals out of the country?
Obama characterized turning someone back at the border as a “deportation” just to look like he’d been tougher. He changed the definition.
Completely unwarranted to send in the Guard. Imagine if a Dem president sent it to some red state over some minor civil disturbance?
Yes, there is a point at which mobilizing the Guard makes sense, basically when it seems like the local law enforcement has lost control, as in the 1992 LA riots. the current situation is not anywhere near that.
None of this means i disagree with deportations of illegal immigrants or think that setting cars on fire is ok, only that LAPD and the LA sheriffs have managed the situation which is contained to a small part of LA.
And i do wonder why we are’t seeing raids at midwest meat plants where there are hundreds of likely illegal immigrants. the LA situation was sparked by arresting a few dozen, which is nothing. it seems like an overreaction by a POTUS who is waiting for any excuse to use federal power to hurt blue states as opposed to actually solving the problems he says he cares about.
Also, if Trump went after the business owners employing illegal immigrants, especially large ones like meat packing plants, farms and large hotels, the problem would largely be solved.
Illegal immigrants view themselves have little to lose by working illegally. they are desperate. So trying to pressure them is ineffective. Employers, business owners by contrast have lots to lose and could be much more easily pressured if anyone tried.
MISH can FOLLOW THE MONEY. This may well be beyond simple Politics, esp if the Liberal Media gets into a feeding frenzy, calling TRUMPCO OUT OF “CONTROL!”
“Completely unwarranted to send in the Guard. Imagine if a Dem president sent it to some red state over some minor civil disturbance?”
This isn’t a minor civil disturbance. It was out of hand from the beginning, when ICE showed up to do their job.
it minor because it’s highly localized and small in scale. my point is the local authorities can handle it. the national guard should not be deployed for something affecting a few blocks.
maybe initially the locals didn’t know what was going on, but they do now and can coordinate.
how many millions are being pent sending 2,000 troops there to deport a few dozen or a few hundred people.
And I still haven’t heard anyone answer why meat packing plants and huge hotels in red states aren’t being raided. the meat packing plants in particular are easy pickins and are usually in the middle of nowhere and therefore protesters are not going to mobilize en masse quickly to interfere with anything, as opposed to DTLA which is high density urban.
This has nothing to do with immigration control. Put people who employ illegals in prison and illegals will self-deport when they can’t get jobs. This is about keeping the low brows voting GOP.
It’s red meat for the low brows. Trump gets his base and will go for it every time.
Trump is what dumb people picture when they imagine wealth, and he’s what dumb people picture when they imagine governance. This is government by morons for morons.
Obviously if ICE and Trump were serious, they could just knock on doors of ranchers, farmers, slaughterhouses, hotels…… resorts………..The owners of those places of course own Trump. Biden deported more than Trump. Trump is 100% theatre. But of course it’s reality teeeeeeveeee so real heads are gonna be cracked and locked up and neighborhoods burned……….even Snuffed out.
Your point about Biden out-deporting Trump, is TOO EARLY TO TELL. Biden had 4 straight years of open borders. WTF are you talking about? Let us know.
I do not pretend to know the raw numbers. WHO HAS THEN on a TO-DATE basis? Biden sneaked in millions, right?
The good news is that they have teevee south of the border. Even if it were purely theater it still dissuades others from sneaking in.
ICE is serious. Los Angeles is a Sanctuary City and illegal aliens congregate here. Biden aided and abetted an invasion of a record number of illegal aliens into the U.S. in 4 years. It even overwhelmed New York City.
What’s this “teeeeeeveeee” thing? I haven’t been able to get replacement vacuum tubes for the old Philco for years.
I have said it before, but it deserves to be said again…
If or Until, the “Penalty” is worse than the Illegal Protesters satisfaction from the event, then it will continue forever!!
This particular chaos isn’t Trumps fault. I’d send in federal law enforcement, arrest every single person blocking a highway on federal charges, and bring RICO charges against the organizers. Those people need to spend years to decades in prison. Enough.
The convicted felon pretending he cares about “law and order” is rich. What we have learned is that Trump knew how to activate the Nat’l Guard but chose not to do son Jan 6th l. And Fox Entertainment watchers, change the channel if you want actual news coverage.
Trump isn’t done intentionally escalating these LA protests. He’s gonna milk this for all the red state red meat one can fathom. If Trump cared about law and order he would have followed the established protocols by calling Newsom and asking if he needed help, to which he would have said no thank you. Trump’s ego simply cannot stand anything not being about Trump.
The trial was corrupt and verdict will be overturned on appeal. Trump was blocked from National Guard troops and Nancy Pelosy even admitted being responsible, in a recording that turned up well after Jan6. MSM is propaganda. CBS’s Leslie Stahl lied to Trump that the Hunter laptop could not be confirmed.
Um… Pelosi declined to accept Trumps request to do so.
Activate the Rooftop Koreans.
wasn’t his call. pelosi kept them on the sidelines
Now we’re talking, baby! I love the picture of the violent illegal (probably) riding a motorcycle, waving a Mexican flag, while the area burns around him with the LAPD cops following Bass’ order not to assist ICE. That’s a recipe for success . . . NOT!
As everyone with a working brain is saying, it’s OUTSTANDING justification for MASS DEPORTATIONS coming to a town near you.
MAGA!
RECONQUISTA IS WHAT IT IS. worked in spain against the jews and muslims 500 years ago. and is working here.
Is this good for the stock market today? That’s all that matters.
These days you can drop a deuce in the ocean to make money in the stock market
this appears to be don old testing the dictatorship waters. if those ICE agents acted in a lawful manner there would be no protests. they don’t tey seem to believe they have the authority to violently snatch people up without any concern for having the correct people of course its going to cause revolt.
Noem needs to display more cleavage.
I’m curious. Since we are busy having ICE raids. Why don’t they visit a Trump hotel or a golf course? Of course all those hotel housekeepers are fully documented….
Employing undocumented or illegal aliens is unlawful and the employer can be charged. When corporations employ same the CEO can be charged. If charges were brought and a CEO incarcerated illegal immigration would stop quickly as no jobs would be available. The same goes for housing renting a home or apartment to an illegal immigrant is against the law and can be prosecuted. Instead this and all other administrations have perused the actual immigrant who has no money or power, an easy target. Shame on Trump and his administration, they are gutless and fear corporate power. The illegal immigration issue could be solved in a few months but both parties want the issue not the solution.
so you check the passport or birth certificate for your maid, busboy or gardener or laborer putting on a roof?
Nothing to do with those. The government issues work documents; no doc, no work. Enforce it as bmcc states.
As a manager of a auto repair shop in 1998 I hired a young Hispanic technician that had what appeared to be a good SS card, and State DL. He worked for me for the rest of the year and was a good qualified tech with an outstanding work record. Jan the following year he presented a “new” social security card. I informed him that was impossible and asked where he got it, he told me he had bought it for $100. I fired him and informed the head office (seven stores in small chain) what had occurred. The owner told me to rehire him, I refused. I guess I should have been more suspect when the employee claimed six dependents on his w-2 form but was very busy and had no real way to check his ID. However, I did the right thing in firing him even though the owner of the chain instructed me otherwise. Today checking ID would be much easier.
All of that has been on the books since the middle of the Ike Administration.
One explanation:
Disappointed in Trump. Lowering himself to the level of these idiot sanctuary city mayors we have here in Cali. Sending in ICE behaving with gestapo like tactics triggered this inflaming the local populace. Many actual US citizens were nabbed by ICE and taken god knows where as well. It’s obvious why he did this. Between Elon whacking him for gaslighting us on the Epstein files cause Trump is probably one of the molesters, in an itractactable place with Iran mostly because he stupidly dumped the deal Obama made, Israelis going ape shit in Gaza, in an intractable place with Ukraine and Russia, having chairman Xi telling Trump to basically f-off, having his big beautiful bill go over like a lead balloon, and now getting a Trumpesque nickname of TACO Don he’s had a bad month. He had to sick the gestapo on LA Mexicans to get a for sure media win with his rascist identity politicking base to feel better about himself. What a loser! I expected better after that bumbling idiot warmonger Biden.
that is the issue isn’t it those ICE agents are grabbing american citizens based on their looks or names.
“Disappointed?” Trump has got to go. America can not stand another three years of this stupidity.
Right, that’s like saying you’re “Disappointed” in your father whipping you with a strop for your entire youth
Sorry I was trying to imply that “disappointed” was an insufficient word to describe how I felt about Trump. Disgusted, repulsed, nauseated would be a better description of how I feel about Trump than disappointed, that’s why the question mark. I don’t understand your reply.
Disappointed in Trump? Curious way to spell “you were told repeatedly exactly what to expect: THIS”
The Mexican flags… meaning they either want California to become Mexico, or they want to go to Mexico. Maybe it’s best to give the West Coast to Mexico: It will relieve the tensions and with so much cheap labor, West Coast industry will flourish.
so showing national honor is a no non. ok those waving israeli flags need deported then.
The Israelis show Israeli flags “in support of Israel”, for a case concerning Israel.
The Mexicans show Mexican flags in support of what? The country they want so badly to leave?
I’ll allow it.
I used to show up at the Cork & Kerry on south Western Avenue in Chicago when I wanted to do the same. McNally’s, too.
Why not indict Newsom and Bass on sedition charges?
for what?
Is Bass out-of-season?
Maybe that’s one of the reasons you are not a prosecutor. Another might be that you are not a lawyer. Another might be that …..well forget it you probably can’t understand anyway.
Nwsom is being interviewed on FOX Live from LA station FOX 11) right now. Newsom is very combative as he calls Trump’s Presidency disastrous. Calls Trump “stone cold liar”.
being truthful is permitted.
Temporarily. Wait till next week.
I watched some hours of the LA “protest” and for over an hour, watched these protestors toss rocks down on the LA police on the 101, who were huddled in fear under an overpass. I kept yelling at the TV as to why other cop units weren’t dispatched to the street running across the overpass to chase away and/or arrest these rock throwers. Or why some of these cops didn’t make their way up to the overpass and do the job.
Apparently, the LA Mayor, Karen Bass, refused to order extra police to do this job. SAD!
It seems that more National Guard troops are needed, since the Mayor will not support the police on her own.
By the way the riots and car burning started 2 days before Trump dispatched troops. If I were Trump I would say “no help until the Democrat leaders formally ask it“.
That would have stopped the riots.
Apparently watching the same clip on Fox running again and again instead of the news coverage showing local police taking control. Change the channel.
Curiously looking at some pics from the riots, I found this:
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F49df5929-c563-4f7a-9750-ebccc03b1d62_1024x751.png
and stopped. I know that corner! That’s the Home Depot I prefer when visiting the area.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Nsr1kBzuszd3TVLi9
That particular Home Depot caters to contractors. Another, a couple miles to the west in a shopping center in south Compton, caters to the DIY crowd.
Odds of the jerk throwing stuff being from the area: 0.00%. People in that area don’t have time for craziness.
BTW, if you’re in the area, that shopping center has a takeout we like a lot: ON+ON – Fresh Korean Kitchen.
Well, golly, it appears I was wrong. Apparently the FBI has the 42 year old “jerk” being from Compton. Compton is a Hispanic city just to the west of Paramount. The picture could be said to be on the border between the two cities, though Compton’s border is ultra-complex in that area.
When Trump was promoting the Jan 6th insurrection and attack on our nations capital he should have been tried for sedition. America wanted to retain its dignity and let him off. Epic mistake…
Now Trump is attacking Americans in the streets and sending 500 fully armed Marines with live ammunition to inflame the situation and kill. Will we all be under martial law and our rights as citizens of this nation suspended.
Where is the wall he promised?
Where is the peace and prosperity?
Why is Israel allowed to commit genocide?
Why is trump allowing Russia to wipe out the Ukrainians?
Trump us a vicious malignant narcissist and is unfit for office…
Perhaps I should stop exercising my first amendment rights for fear of being prosecuted for observing and writing about the destruction of the greatest nation in modern history?
I love my country ~ but I fear its president and his henchmen!
;-(
Write to your congressman.
Be sure to include a large check.
You must have meant “why is Trump continuing to allow the CIA and rabid neocons to use the unfortunate Ukrainians in an unwinnable conflict designed in and instigated by the United States for the purpose of “weakening” (Lloyd Austin) and “extending” (RAND corporation) Russia.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html
Illegal immigrants gathering in droves to destroy Federal property is a lot closer to insurrection than what happened on Jan 6, 2021. Are these insurgents going to be detained indefinitely without trial like Jan 6 protestors? If not, why not? Offer them a choice: $1000 and a plane ticket home, or indefinite detention like the Jan 6 protestors (who were actual US citizens, BTW).
Illegal immigrants are analogous to thugs performing breaking and entering. There is a legal pathway into this country, but they chose to enter criminally, often with zero documntation from their home country, so we don’t even know their real names or backgrounds.
<<There is a legal pathway into this country, but they chose to enter criminally>>
That is because somehow, at some point in time, others started to consider the USA as a horse stable. Older Greek immigrants say that when they arrived in the US, they made sure that all their papers were in order and they were wearing their nicer clothes, “to give a good impression”.
But in today’s self-loathing America, you can do whatever you’re not allowed to do in your own country.
Your evidence is “Older Greek immigrants say…”. Until Trump starts deporting the many white people here illegally – like the many Russians living here and arresting the white owners employing the undocumented workers, his deportation plan can be called nothing but an effort to make America white.
They were all legal – and there was a sense or respect in those days when you migrated to a foreign country. How would you feel is let’s say 1000 US citizens try to migrate illegally to France, and burn downtown Paris just for the heck of it?
PS. Those Greeks were not educated, but they were civilized. Not barbarians.
“Russians”? That hockey player?
gee fleeing your home country does not mean you go to the invaded capitol and request documents. first. blame the govt for meddling in central america and most likely promising the inhabitants refuge in the u.s.
I’ll blame them later. Currently I’m in the phase of blaming the KGB and the appointed socialist leaders for turning Argentina and Venezuela from wealthy countries to poorhouses.
The newspaper Rizospastis in Greece was proudly saying under its name on every issue “Instrument of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union“, until the end of the USSR. At least they were honest. It was the 5th most popular newspaper in Greece (an EU country, founding member), and it was proudly admitting that the USSR is meddling in the affairs of other nations, to bring socialism to them. Articles with pictures of “delegates travelling to brother nations” etc. were frequent – things out in public that in the CNUSA (Clueless and Naïve USA) would sound like a spy movie.
You were not exposed to the direct politics we were in South Europe. You know 0.00001% and you think you know everything. You’re just repeating word-for-word propaganda of your 12-year old villager university professors.
The whole story of “US interference” was debunked by the communist themselves in Greece and Italy in the 1970s, because they thought that this glory belonged to them!
Confessions Of An Economic Hitman by John Perkins.
They purposefully destroyed their ID documents before crossing the border to hide their identity. Nothing shady about that, right? Why are you defending clearly criminal behavior?
Trump must have wet himself again and is lashing out with violence against Americans on American soil.
Dark days for freedom, and first amendment rights.
Its just the Alberta wildfires darkening the days.
Texas Talks Tough on Immigration. But Lawmakers Won’t Force Most Private Companies to Check Employment Authorization
https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-e-verify-requirements-immigration
Farmers, seasonal businesses worry as immigration crackdown ramps up’There are a lot less local people that want to do (this work), so we have to have this program,’ said the owner of an apple orchard. ‘Without it, we’ll just be out of the industry. We go away.’
https://www.pressherald.com/2025/04/21/farmers-seasonal-businesses-worry-as-immigration-crackdown-ramps-up/
Better crank up the robots then. Yes, it will cost you more money upfront but in the long run, you’ll save money.
Replace the owner with a robot.
That’s coming when AI’s take over. 10-20 years out.
You’ll find more illegals working for Hilton Hotels and Tyson Foods than you’ll find in the LA protests and the ICE knows it and looks the other way. It’s all a show.
The “immigration crackdown” serves to make the illegals even more subservient and willing to work for even lower wages and worse working conditions. It’s a big win for the big businesses who remain untouched by this theater.
Mish, your harping on letter of the law over intent is really getting old. Here we have an army of people that snuck into our country and are committing acts of violence and destroying property, all while prominently flying a foreign flag. I’m no Trump fanboy, but he’s 100% correct to treat this “protest” like a war, because that’s what it is. You could even call them terrorists as far as I’m concerned.
I think someone said recently “the Constitution is not a suicide pact”.
Who was John C. Calhoun, Alex.
If we ever stop “harping on the letter of the law”, then we won’t have a country worth saving.
i call folks waving israeli flags or wearing pins terrorists. as does most of the world.
Hopefully any/all rioters who are not here legally will be quickly deported – after all necessary legal processes.
What legal processes? If they’re discovered to be here illegally, that should be reason enough to boot them. If we need to import labor as some posters here suggest, we should vet them and get the best not a bunch of illiterates and criminals. Last time I checked, sneaking into a country was a crime, so the current crop is already starting on a bad note.
<<If they’re discovered to be here illegally, that should be reason enough to boot them.>>
It is. Immigration judges don’t carry our trials – only brief hearings. That’s the due process in these cases: a brief hearing. Thousands of high-tech workers whose visas expire don’t even bother going to a judge – they know the outcome, and they just leave.
If they are illegals the problem of going through all the legal hoops of court hearings and appeals takes time and money when it might need doing 10 million times.
How about the solution of every time an illegal is detained and verified as an illegal use the plea deal method of giving them 2 options with the plea deal being admitting the crime, accepting $1000 relocation money and a one way ticket or refuse the deal and waste court (taxpayer) time and money fighting deportation with the risk that if you lose then you will do time for any illegal act (including illegal entry) and after you have done the time you are deported and with not a dollar of relocation money.
As for protestors throwing rocks at the LA cops that is a good reason to bring in the guards and the marines as rocks from bridges frequently kill.
I support the idea that the Federal Government has a right to defend Federal property and Federal employees engaged in their lawful and Constitutional duties. And more so when a state or city fails to do so.
I also support the idea that people who are unhappy about government laws and policies have a right to protest them. That right, however, does not extend to destruction of property.
Busing people in from foreign countries to destroy Federal property is the epitome of bad planning. What’s next? “No go zones” encompasing entire cities, like Sweden? Is that really, “Progress”?
there are no “no go zones”. it’s total nonsense. have you been to Sweden? I have. including in Malmo, which is supposedly the worst of the worst. I felt safer than anyplace in the US there.
Yeah like the troop call out on Jan 6th. I like how the “protest” stopped as soon as the National Guard arrived.
On June 16, 1858, almost 167 years ago, a wise president wrote, “A house divided against itself, cannot stand.” The quote is based on something a wise rabbi said 1800 years earlier.
I have no doubt there will be endless cheering on from the MAGA cult on US soldiers pointing guns at citizens today but be horrified when those same soldiers and guns are pointed at MAGA when a democrat takes office.
The cycle rinses and repeats until there is nothing left.
Got exit strategy?
in the meantime, how many of our buildings should we let them burn this time?
Protests should be peaceful, and property damage is unfortunate. However, why are you obsessed with some buildings (have any even burned? Are you still reliving the George Floyd riots) when Trump is hard at work ruining lives. Undocumented. Legal. Citizens. Americans. Gazans. Ukrainians. He is wasting American assets and money like no President before him. A few burnt Waymos seem a weird red line.
so then put out the standard. how much property damage in terms of numbers of structures and value of property destroyed is okay? be specific.
Stop illegal immigration! Arrest the CEO’s and Landlords illegally employing and renting to undocumented illegal aliens. This problem is easy to solve but the politicians don’t want a solution they want the issue.
definitely arrest the ones who are burning property, throwing rocks, bricks, and feces at law enforcement officers, and burning the American flag. I definitely want those ones roughed up a bit and then put in prison.
oh wait, are CEOs and landlords not doing those things? hmm… by your logic, we should also arrest consumers for buying products and/or otherwise benefiting from illegal immigration.
So CEO’s and Landlords breaking the law is OK with you?
Speaking of burning the American flag, as part of the security force (US Army MP) at Nixon’s second inaugural I watched protesters burn every flag around the Washington monument. Our orders were do nothing as it was a legal protest. My personal feeling at the time were that they were doing the right thing protesting peacefully with a few committing minor misdemeanors.
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Boy are you out of touch
Bring back asbestos!
and why is it you know so little about past wise men talking about the importance of border security?
your side can’t get the military to turn on civilians, that’s what they have the South and Central American gang members here for.
The fact remains that the left always resorts to violence. The financiers and the NGOs involved in these episodes depend on this fact. The exit strategy will be the eventual breakup of the country.
The left always resorts to entitlement, which leads to violence when the money runs out.
if you are caught up in red v blue, right v left, in this dying empire, i have a bridge in my hometown here in brooklyn to sell you. the stupid hurts. please stop. this is a reconquista. it worked in spain against the jews and muslims 500 years ago. and working here. i lived in SW usa for 25 years. the mexicans are very open about the re conquest. borders open 400 years as have the jurisdictions.
The accumulating evidence is that a tiny minority hijacked the majority’s taxpayer dollars and used it to illegally import troublemakers by the millions. USAID being a tip of that iceberg.
Now we’re learning that even more taxpayer dollars went to fund the NGOs currently organizing the imported mob in LA.
That’s not a “house divided”, it’s a house being subverted. Admitting enemies through the gates. Treason is not yet proven, but there’s cause for great suspicion.
I support improving the Legal immigration system, but not by allowing poorly vetted illegals to stay and riot. And … The more they riot the more I support deportation.
Would you prefer “no go zones”, like Sweden and the UK? Your outlook hasn’t worked too well for them, has it? If you want to dig your own grave and and lay in it, that’s fine. But forcing it on your neighbors is another matter.
Wake up! All the bullshit is because the president is mentally ill. He must be removed.
A true intel test is reading the book My Pet Goat upside down.
Alkaline Hydrolysis is eco-friendly.
We have chaos, because the Democrats have fomented chaos. There are numerous NGO’s and Democrat groups that are paying for the materials and foot soldiers to obstruct justice here.
This will go on and on, because politicians are too afraid to confront the Left.
I, for one, voted for this, and want to see the Left punished severely for these organized unlawful riots. I want the funders prosecuted under RICO, and then the useful idiots thrown in jail for obstruction, vandalism and maybe even some…”parading,” no?
What do the Democrats like to say, “sometimes you have to break an egg to get an omelet?”
If it takes the National Guard to get it done, then so be it.
<<There are numerous NGO’s>>
It’s global. In Greece they have 2 kinds of NGOs: Those who are bringing them in (the human traffickers), and those who forward them from Greece to northern EU countries, because Greece has no more welfare money for them.
why do so many things burn whenever Democrats “protest” …