Both Trump and his border czar are sending strong messages that Trump’s deportation plan won’t live up to his campaign hype. 
Watered Down Deportation Effort
The Wall Street Journal reports Trump Allies Fear Watered Down Deportation Efforts
Donald Trump ran for president on a bold promise: to carry out the largest mass deportation in U.S. history.
Now, a little over a month before he takes office, some allies are worried that a shift in rhetoric from the president-elect could portend a watered down removal effort and are urging him not to scale back his plans.
In the weeks since the election, and even in some rally speeches toward the end of the campaign, Trump and his incoming advisers have alluded to a mass removal effort of immigrants with a criminal record, a far narrower set of people than the 15 million to 20 million Trump pledged to deport earlier in the year. Tom Homan, the president-elect’s incoming border czar, has said Trump’s team isn’t planning to perform mass raids in immigrant enclaves—the worst fear of immigrants-rights activists.
“This isn’t going to be neighborhood sweeps and military vehicles going through the city,” Homan said in an interview with Dr. Phil McGraw on Thursday after meeting with New York Mayor Eric Adams. “I told him, you know, President Trump and myself have committed that this is going to be a targeted enforcement operation.”
The emphasis on criminals reflects not only what Trump considers to be the highest priority but a practical understanding of the complexity of rounding up millions of migrants, a person familiar with the matter said. While Trump remains committed to a deportation effort, his team is mindful of those realities and wants to set expectations.
The decision also reflects some concern over economic impacts to key sectors such as housing and agriculture, the person said. Through it all, a focus on criminals has been the animating force of Trump’s message, as he repeatedly highlights instances of migrants committing crimes such as sexual assault or murder.
Behind the scenes, Homan has emphasized pursuing immigrants with final orders of removal and criminals that the government can easily reach, according to people familiar with the matter. Roughly 1.3 million migrants already have orders of deportation from an immigration court.
“I keep getting asked, ‘how many people are you going to deport?’” Homan said in a brief interview. “Well, I don’t know. It depends on the resources we’re given.”
Trump’s hard-line immigration backers say they have noticed a retrenchment. They say they are holding their fire to attempt to influence the incoming president before they criticize him openly.
The president-elect’s allies also are concerned by the Trump team’s willingness to exclude some categories of migrants. Trump said in a recent interview with NBC, for example, that he wanted to work with Democrats to come up with legislation to protect Dreamers, immigrants in the U.S. illegally who were brought as children, from deportation. Backers of hard-line immigration policies view an exemption for Dreamers, who often have bipartisan support, as a slippery slope.
Deal for Dreamers
I suspect Trump privately got some heat from some governors who understand the economic insanity of “deport them all”.
Regardless why, I get to say “I told you so” once again to those who cling to every word Trump says.
To get a bill through congress for more border patrols, ICE agents, and to finish the wall, Trump is going to have to cut a deal.
And that deal will be amnesty for dreamers.
On November 30, I noted A Tiny Republican Majority in the House Will Make Legislation Difficult
How many balanced budget hypocrites do you expect to see when Trump proposes big budget deficit increases?
Here’s the deal. If there are many as two defections, Republicans will not be able to pass much of anything if Trump tries to deliver his campaign promises like no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, and no tax on overtime.
The incumbent party usually loses seats in the midterm elections. But Republicans have zero seats to give, literally.
Rude Awakening for Trump
Also see Rude Awakening for Trump, No Business as Usual Applies to Him Too
The budget fiasco of the past three days shows Trump does not have absolute control over the Republican party.
Finally, if you want to know what kind of dreamer deal to expect, please see my November 7, 2024 post The New Home for Hispanics is the Republican Party
I have a commercial building in N Cal. My landscape maintenance guy says he can’t field a crew. None of his folks want to risk going to work.
How dare people actually listen to what Trump says.
Remember Drain the Swamp 1.0?
Nothing will change. Because Trump is not in charge.
These folks run the world https://fasteddynz.substack.com/p/who-runs-the-world
Trump doesn’t need anything but existing law and resolve. We’ll know soon if he’s serious, and I say he isn’t. One thing, I’ve heard loads of talk about illegal, and deport. I’ve never heard ANYONE address all the free stuff they get. It’s like that’s a totally unrelated issue.
Here is an idea. Cut the welfare roles, then the dead beats can replace the illegals or starve.
This is a good thing, Mish!
if he starts backing down from what he said he would do he will lose support and nothing will change. America will continue it’s downward spiral into oblivion.
If Trump deports all illegals there will be a huge inflationary shock and he will lose support even faster. It’s a great step if he closes the border and deports criminals. I’m fine with that. It’s a 1000% better than the Dems. Any Trump supporter should understand that or they are helping to continue our downward spiral into oblivion.
The jobs that Americans don’t want to do will be filled by the waiters, cooks, and dishwashers that get muscled out of their jobs by the government goons that lose their cushy jobs. Like FBI cooks, CIA bartenders, DEA dishwashers, FEMA busboys etc. if Trump doesn’t fulfill his promises his MAGA supporters will vote democrat at midterm elections and start a revolution.
The truth is citizens don’t want to work some jobs. America needs illegal immigration to quell inflation. Same reason it needs manufacturing to be done overseas to keep cost of living down.
The truth actually is that Americans will avoid jobs that are wage deflated due to importing third worlders into the country. Third worlders are content with living 3 familys to a house and taking crap wages that are far more than they would earn at home. The market should work to either pay what the citizenry needs or innovate some of those jobs away and turn them into better jobs (e.g. replace dirt scraping jobs with automation or equipment related jobs). Importing and then melding a third world standard of living into ours only brings ours down while bleeding money away in remittences to boost theirs up.
Many times in life, adults find that they don’t have the choices they wish they had.
People can be picky about the work they choose to accept when they have someone helping support them, such as relatives or friends, or can accumulate enough handouts from government and bleeding hearts that want to make the world better and are taken for the suckers they are by these people.
Remove these supports and people will even climb into and clean sewage pools to make money to support their families, which is one of the jobs apparently held by the lowest caste in India, the Untouchables, as I recall from a documentary I watched in the past.
Americans will do any job that pays what it’s worth. they will not work for wages they keep them in poverty. during slave days a white man willing to work for a dollar a day was outsourced by slaves who got 0 dollars.
Reagan signed an immigration bill that supposedly would prevent more illegal immigration but it only went up after giving amnesty to illegals.
because the democraps lied and didn’t live up to what they promised. just as they do today.
I am taking a wait and see approach at this point. Let’s see what happens on day one and then day 30, day 90 etc. If the deportations start with criminals, it will take a long time to simply vacuum them up and deport them. The key is to provide NO thought of amnesty and no welfare for these people and some may leave voluntarily.
Cutting off all benefits and other support is one helluva incentive to self-deport.
In other words, bailing out of your local chit hole was pointless Mish. Enjoy the reset.where history, culture, and biology doesn’t matter when you’re one of the Bloomberg billionaire gay 1 percent at the top or the many 1 percent at the bottom among the Hells Angels and Mongols, etc., etc.. Have a nice day in the middle if you may among the imported free trade roaming gang bangers while playing Cowboys and Aliens in those spreading no go kill zones among the new American graffiti.
Trump like all politicians has mastered the art of pandering and talking out of both sides of his mouth. What’s he going to re-neg on next? Pardons for the J 6ers. He’s surrounded himself with a Israel first cabinet so you know the women and children of Palestine will continue to be massacred. And what about the corrupt dictator in Ukraine? Are we going to continue to use tax payer money to buy Zelensky and his cronies mansions and yachts. Trump said he could end that war in one day. We’ll see. I’m going to go out on a limb here and predict Trump won’t do half of the things he promised while campaigning. Of course half wouldn’t be to bad. One promise he needs to keep but probably won’t is to go after members of the J 6 panel and prosecute all those who perpetrated the 2020 steal. I’m not holding my breath.
People who sell out America, or any nation, for ‘the economy’ are traitors. They deserve to be treated das such.
America is not an economy.
These politicians are all talk. Why should Trump be any different? At least, he’s coherent and not senile.
Trump [is] “coherent and not senile”. You cannot be serious!
Around two million undocumented/illegal immigrants should definitely not be here. These include the criminals in addition to the ones who are net super-consumers of community government resources. Most of these people can be found in districts that recently had a surge of “additional” Democrat votes, because they were intentionally bused-in.
Quoted from the Wall Street Journal in the article above:
“Roughly 1.3 million migrants already have orders of deportation from an immigration court.”
Why these people weren’t deported “on the spot” is unclear.
There aren’t enough jets or boats to put them on. And the countries they are sent back to have to agree to accept them. Otherwise, we’d have to strap parachutes to them and throw them out a plane door.
It would be so much easier if we did like China. Just harvest their useful organs and parts. Cremate the rest.
If this were the USA approach, illegal immigration would drop to near zero.
I am not against the parachute idea.
I definitely like the parachute idea and think it should be the option if countries will not take back their citizens who “immigrated” to our country
I’m pretty sure a big reason why they aren’t deported is because they provide cheap labor and more housing demand. Some of the big donors to the politicians are businesses that want low cost workers and the RE industry, landlords.. The voters keep reelecting the Republican politicians that don’t keep their word and allow them to stay, so..
Then this is a banana republic at this point, no longer a nation defined by rule of law.
We were a banana republic the day after Waco. The criminal “insults” just got worse from there.
Now, Washington is an equal co-belligerent with Israel committing genocide and too many crimes-against-humanity to count. The international community needs to issue arrest warrants for Biden & Company. If Trump continues this fubar criminal conduct after inauguration, the international community should issue arrest warrants for him too.
I was surprised to read this story the other day. I wonder why the Dems didn’t tout this during the Presidential campaign? Fear of further antagonizing the bleeding heart far left during the campaign?
Even if all of this is true, I’m not exactly sure what sort of “I told you so” moment it really is. Shedlock has more emphasized his perception/opinion about whatever Trump policy he considers to be stupid or ill-conceived rather than whether or not it would be carried out.
As for the hype vs reality. Only people who actively hate Trump and, by extension, those who support him make a big issue of people who “fall for what Trump says.” While there may be a few “cult member” Trump followers that hang on every word they are a extremely tiny minority – certainly far less as a percentage of Leftist/progressive Democrat cult members. Just look at the stats for people who cut off family over politics. Conservatives, etc are far less likley to make it a divisive issue.
Those of us who support Trump are not expecting him to be able to make good on every promise nor to the extent that he promises to go. His statements about what he will do are clearly over the top but that is well known as his style at this point. What is often overlooked though is that what is good about these statements is that it becomes part of the conversation – just by saying these things that you never hear vanilla politicians say he’s already making a change for the better. Nobody but Trump would say “deport them all” but by saying so we are all talking about it as a possibility. hat’s a valuable shift in the culture no matter what you think of Trump’s ability to execute.
Shocked to learn he’s full of shit.
Not.
Happy Festivus!
2024 Festivus Report (41 pages)
People shouldn’t click on random URL links nor download offered files, including PDF’s.
Here is the actual press release for this report, which is authored by Rand Paul, with a safe link to the full PDF report. Hopefully the DOGE people will be working with Paul on curtailing spending on many of the dumber items listed in this report!
The dreamers are the delusional maga crowd, let see invade countries ,buy countries ,grab your neighbors land without paying for it which is stealing if they allow it and a litany of stupidity enough.!
Why warn them of police raids and mass deportation?
Reading the comments here is hilarious. First trump was going to deport 20 million people, now his apologists are saying he will deport the criminals…lol. What happened to “they’re eating the dogs, they’re eating the cats!”
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YbhgjdVG-tk
Merry Christmas America!
The maga crowd is just as delusional like their rep. They have migrated to la la land and it’s going to be impossible to bring them back to the U.S.
Just breathe. You’ll be ok.
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/capital
Cut off the welfare and NGOs (a major problem — anyone donating to their “church” should investigate where their funds are going); offer a one-way ticket to home country. Millions will self-deport
Yep, all about incentives.
Homan should run deportation just like Dems ran open borders.
Deport deport deport, then when questioned, just answer oh but the Dreamers we are working on solving that in a Humane way.
One thing for sure he won’t be located out shopping for shoes.
Removing a few thousand isn’t going to make a dent in housing crisis, removing a few million would.
Trump will have to show something fast or declared phoney-baloney by MSM, especially when the FED will be forced to cut rates in face of rising unemployment.
So there is that reality.
Oh looky Panama Canal is in play.
Seems a new southern border barrier in the making.
Nah couldn’t be, too far fetched.
Who thought he would really deport all of them? Criminals (either in their home country or here), people on the terrorist watch list, people who already have an order of removal. Some will self deport if the free stuff is cut off, which Trump has vowed to do. Dreamers need to stay. They are people brought here years ago as children who have already established a life here, as long as they have no criminal history and take no welfare.
Perfect is the enemy of the good.
And lies must be believed and defended. That’s why I bought Twitter.
Says a Biden voter who thought he was sharp as a tack. Please.
Is there really anyone who “clings to every word Trump says”? I don’t think so. Did he ever say that 15-20 million would be deported? I don’t think he did. If they kick out just the criminals, that would indeed be the largest deportation in a long time, if not “in history”. And kicking out the criminals while closing the border would be a total reversal from Biden’s approach of throwing the border open and welcoming criminals.
You are correct he probably said billions or whatever sh t comes to his delusional mind. Like stopping all wars in 24 hours the next day he is taking over panama soft military operations in Mexico buy a country taking over Canada he is a disgrace and an embarrassment and the sh t show hasn’t started,I hope president musk shuts him up.
Don’t you tell me how to care for my monkey!
What a shock?
He’s playing Roblox on my phone now… maybe if you bought him some robux?
Playing Roblox still? Figured you for a ten year old.
Not only that, I’m a top 20 diablo 4 player!
https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/5/24288836/elon-musk-top-20-diablo-4-players-the-pit
We aren’t really a country of laws, are we? How can we be a country under rule of law, when some people are held above the law? Legal American citizen Hispanics were criticized by Democrats as not voting their race, for voting Trump. Democrat Bigotry.
We can’t deport people here illegally, because it will hurt the economy. We are in big economic trouble then, aren’t we? L.A. City Council is considering raising the minimum wage for airport workers to $30 an hour. That used to be a good wage. Nobody has been deported yet under Trump. The homeless problem here. Nobody has been deported yet under Trump. People leaving the state because people can’t afford to live here anymore. Nobody has been deported by Trump as of yet. But things are supposed to get worse economically, if he does.
We are a county of business, that needs to breed more workers. Laws are for them, not me.
“We can’t deport people here illegally, because it will hurt the economy.”
So the additional 10+ million who came here in the last 3-4 years are critical to the economy? It’s economically decimating cities.
Not even close.
The 11+ million illegal immigrants coming in over the last four years have been a net problem, not boon. They have massively stoked inflation (shelter inflation has been off the charts in that period), which has bled over into every category of goods inflation, and especially transportation and food. The *massive* ramp up in government employment over the last four years, reported here often by Mish, has all been due to the surge of immigrants, especially impacting quality, availability, and cost of medical services. The *surge of immigration over a short time frame* has disrupted our economy with net negative consequences, no matter how benefical immigration may be over longer time frames. We need to trim immigration for the sake of the economy, partially through stepped up deportation, much as QT has been trimming the Fed balance sheet.
What’s next? You’re going to tell us that Trump isn’t really serious about building a wall?
There are only at most a few thousand illegals who have committed crimes after crossing the border. They looked and there’s not many to deport other than these few thousand.
It’s a crime to stay despite a deportation order.
Tell that to the woman burned alive.
I agree. Jail or deport anyone who has committed crimes, including Matt Gaetz who filled an underaged girl will drugs and then himself. True AG material LOL
It’s not rape if you’re wealthy.
DOJ already investigated and didn’t bring charges. Congress doesn’t have access to all the evidence that the DOJ does.
Those who have a criminal history in their home country will go also. Plus those on the terrorist watch list. Plus those who already have an order for removal. That last category is over a million right there. These are people who have already had their immigration hearing and were found not to be entitled to asylum. They were ordered to go home but they stay because Biden doesn’t deport them.
Umm, no, all those who came to the US with criminal records should go too. Existing deportation orders are well over a million.
BEING HERE without documentation is a crime, and they should go too
How many illegals are you housing?
Your sole purpose here on Mishtalk is to spread bullshit & get a rise out of posters.
Definitely hitting the hide button.
Worthless dribble.
You should change your name to Mike “StrawMan” Shedlock, after all these easy wins.
“I suspect Trump privately got some heat from some governors who understand the economic insanity of “deport them all”.”
Another story from a partisan rag using “unnamed” sources close to the source?
Your suspicions are wrong.
First, Trump has always held the Dreamers in a different category, since his first term in office.
And the economics of it are very simple and likely will not be an overriding factor in decisions going forward. Anyone who tells you that illegal immigrants are not a net loss for the American economy are economically illiterate.
And as for the impact on farming and construction, what a load of BS. As many on your own blog here have pointed out, we’ve had no shortage of laborers in these areas before the Biden admin opened the flood gates on illegal immigration.
Exactly! Mish is making all sorts of announcements before Trump is even in office. Let’s see how his first 100 days go in terms of criminal & existing orders to deportations as well as charging a mayor or two for breaking federal immigration law.
Be that as it may, I definitely hope Trump comes out with a grand plan that includes slowly replacing illegals working in residential construction. If he doesn’t and really makes no attempt at replacing illegals with Americans in higher paid, skilled positions by pushing back against the special interest / corporations & changing policy, then I’ll be the first to say he’s pretty much a bust in terms of the scope of what could have been accomplished in his final four years.
Time will tell, but I’m not going to start acting like Mish & saying “I told you” so when the guy isn’t even in office yet. Homan seems very convincing of his ability to deport a lot of illegals.
A simple explanation would be that they don’t really want to draw too much attention to what might be a larger plan. It makes sense to get a lot of traction with the criminals & illegals with deportation orders before you roll out a bigger plan. And even then, it’s more policy than workplace raids that will get the ball moving in a much broader direction.
Trump doesn’t have any plan. He’s just the Puppet in Chief.
Right! Just like he had no plan to win the election. Got it!
Trump has made promises without diligence on the real costs. He is just closing a sale to people too gullible and emotional to expect due diligence. So a casual liar wins the presidency, degrades all political debates, increases the cynicism, and lowers the political standards further. I’m not excusing Dems here at all, and their “free stuff” agendas. Just saying.
Hey! Don’t you forget my 277 million contribution, and turning Twitter into trumper! That wasn’t cheap!
deportations? ha!
The ag, meat packing, poultry, pig farm industry, just to name a few would collapse without these people
Please! They would be forced to pay higher wages or go out of business.
Ag only has some 7-10% of expenses in labor
Resulting in higher prices an more profits.
Sounds like inflation… how much my eggs n’ bacon gonna cost?
You should be happy you can get them at all. That’s some pretty fancy food for the peasantry.
I’ll run out and get a job slaughtering hogs, assuming I can can land one! There are gonna be lines out the door to sign up for that!
More Than DeclineWhat Trump’s second term could mean for a decimated industrial power.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/more-than-decline/
Well well well….looks like the Grinch stole the bigots Christmas presents this year. Not surprised one bit that there will be minimal deportations. It was all going to be a clown show with sound bites and caged kids theater but no real change.
We can call this the great bigot bamboozle!
What next? no tax cuts for social security recipients? No tax free over-time. The lies come home to roost.
Are you talking about the DEI CRT leftist bigot bamboozle? Who was it that said no one is above the law, even the president? Illegal immigration is illegal. Where have Democrats been on enforcing the law? Yes, it is all just theater, isn’t it? This is how empires die. Today, Rome is just a shadow of it’s former self. The British Empire is just an island unto itself.
So what is next? The U.S. empire is in decline. All else is just lies.
What happened with your man Trump that was going to fix it all Ron?
He’s down for a nap right now, but he can play later.
Why are Democrats so afraid of Trump being president? Why so afraid of RFK Jr. being head of HHS? Etc., etc.?
I don’t know, ask them. I’m not afraid, I know he’ll just repeat his first term with buffoonery and disappoint his cult.
They know we’ll take what rightfully ours. You will own nothing, and love it!
Lol, wanting a border makes you a bigot. Better tell the world this. Name calling worked so well for you this election. Double down
When Trump fails to deliver like he did his first term, the midterms will happen and it’s likely the razor thin majority repubs have will be gone. Senate may change hands too then it’s deja vu all over again.
Rinse and repeat.
Of course, I will profit from all of it one way or another like I always do because profiting is a mindset.
“Of course, I will profit from all of it one way or another like I always do because profiting is a mindset.”
That’s part of the problem.
Profits are never the problem, they are the solution.
Still sore about headboard losing, eh? That’s too bad.
I have no issue with the dreamers. As Ken wrote below, they should not even be part of any deportation discussion, unless they are criminals.
The problem Trump has is the same problem Republicans always have. While the Dems are able to unify 99% of the time, the GOP has never figured out how to do that. Far too many RINOS.
Dreamer – birthright citizenship recipient from parents who are illegal aliens. Do i have this correct?
When it comes to trump, the fellow has a record. A couple of quotes best describe what to expect from trump. “After all is said and done, a hell lot of a lot more is said than done.”
H. L. Mencken “The fellow has absolutely no principles.”Money and gall” is all he has.”
Barry Goldwater
H.L. Mencken “If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner.”
Regardless why, I get to say “I told you so” once again to those who cling to every word Trump says. The four most beautiful words in our common language: I told you so.
Gore Vidal
And the softening of his campaign promises continues…..just like his 1st go around. LMAO…..
The dreams of a Gestapo-like round up of undocumented immigrants are being shattered. Well of course! Over 25% of both construction and agriculture workers in the U.S. are undocumented workers.
Trump knows where his vegetables come from 🙂
Source for stat?
Trump is Biden and Biden is Trump.
Yep. They’re in the same club. The false Left/Right paradigm to fool and divide the dumb masses by giving them the illusion of freedom of choice.
Dreamers are not part of the mass immigration that has occurred over the past four years. Shouldn’t even be in the same discussion and are not part of this deportation. It might be brought up as a bargaining chip for other issues.
Have all these that entered illegally been granted the right to work?
If not are employers breaking the law too?
When do I get to break a law that I want too without any consequences. Seems we have a much bigger problem.
Here I am I can’t get even get my wife’s mother a visitor visa to just come visit her daughter and grandkids. I guess she just needs to break the law to visit!
Pathetic!
It is not against federal law to employ illegal aliens. That would be socialism and against liberty! This is not about penalizing our hard-working makers. Even Trump isn’t proposing that nonsense.
“It is not against federal law to employ illegal aliens.”
May want to double check that… When ICE comes for the illegals, they can most certainly go after the employer as well.
It only applies if you don’t have enough money, as with all other laws.
Perhaps you have forgotten the Nannygate scandal involving a lawyer by the name of Zoe Baird, who was forced to withdraw her name for Attorney General over 30 years ago. Google her.
My god you’re an idiot.
8 U.S. Code § 1324a – Unlawful employment of aliens
That took all of 5 seconds.
I mentioned before, there should be a hierarchy to get rid of those here illegally:
anyone who committed a crime either here or in their home countryanyone with deportation orders, and fast-track existing hearingsanyone who came under the BS Biden policy changes that came in the last 4 yearsDreamers get legal status as well as those who are employed for some period of time (like 5 years before the Biden mess)undocumented = illegal = deportedIt’s up to the family if they want to stay or leave if someone is being deported, but there shouldn’t be “illegal anchor” people either who stay because others are here legally
I thought this too. When I get pulled over, I’ll just say:
“I’m just an undocumented driver, thank you. I can leave now”
It’ is delusional to think that the Republican party wants to stop illegal immigration.
The rich must and will be served at the lowest possible cost.
A completed and secured border wall is the best the lower/middle class, if there are can hope for.
A wall and a world-wide production ban on ladders!
The GOP, in general, wants immigration to be legal. The problem is like most things they can’t unify into what that should mean & how to get there. They should strike a deal with the Dems over the dreamers that moves the ball forward with shutting down the border, revamping the asylum process & implementing policies require illegals to come out of shadows & register for work permits that are slowly reduced over time, so Americans can fill those jobs.
THE #1 PRIORITY SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION & SKILLED HOME REPAIRS LIKE PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL & HVAC.
These are highly paid jobs that Americans should be doing in many cases. If Trump was legit in his desire to really do something, he would lay out a plan that attacks this problem. Again, it’s very well known that illegal immigration reduces wages & increases unemployment. If Trump could get 90% of the illegals registered with work permits & then replace 25-40% of those workers with Americans, then he would have enormous success. And this would provide a blueprint for which ever GOP candidate wins the nomination in 2028.
Wouldn’t you agree that American high school kids would prefer to not go into the trades?
I think that’s the real issue.
My main contention is that many of them are being BS’d into thinking college is the path to success. Furthermore, they don’t have trade school programs at their schools and MOST IMPORTANTLY, companies give preference to illegals. This later FACT is the biggest barrier to entry which can easily be fixed with a stroke of a pen & a modicum of enforcement.
Be that as it may, I’m under no illusion that some high schoolers are lazy & won’t work as hard as illegals. To tackle that issue, we need a national PSA campaign that outlines the benefits of working in these trades & the educational opportunities in HS. And, while I’d love to see 100% replacement, I realize that’s not going to happen, at least not in 4 years. But with the right policies, I’d say Trump could replace 15-20% of the workers with Americans in 4 years.
Again, this is something that both parties should be able to rally public opinion behind. The question is will Trump even try?
I think what you may be missing is that the tough rhetoric was of value. While there are those groups trying to get in before Trump takes office while the border is still open … the rhetoric has changed the equation on the worthiness of making the trip. Much of it could be the negotiation tactic. “Deport them all” was a dumb idea even if it was feasible (which it wasn’t). I question whether that was ever really the point. If I ask Mom for 3 cookies, I’ve got a 50% chance at best. If I ask Mom for a banana split with hot fudge … then after getting the certain negative … I’ve upped my chances of getting the 3 cookies as a consolation prize.
It unfortunate in or world you cant’s just be fair and negotiate a price you have to be outlandish in your requests just to get a fair deal. This is ideal conditions to promote psychopaths in our society.
This isn’t a new thing or something unique to the US or to politics. If you go into a watch store to get yourself a nice watch … and you’ve set yourself an upper limit of $600 … you will notice that the first watch you see is amazing … and it costs $5,000. After that, that $1200 watch looks like a pretty good deal. It’s actually psychological. There is a name for it that escapes me right now … but it is hard-wired in our brains.
Most people hate what you are describing. They hate the dance of buying a car where the price is not the price. But merchandising and politician use these tactics because they work on most people. They don’t work for people like myself. I am a say what you mean and mean what you say person. Trump’s superpower is that he has zero qualms when it comes to lying, misrepresenting, and manipulating because he has been immersed in that selling culture world from day one. Plus, he is not guided by a particular moral code of ideological framework, everything he does is transactional based upon what will serve him best.
As for the negotiating tactic, as I’ve said, it is a built-in psychological rule (it has a name which eludes me). So yes you can train yourself to consciously over-rule what your brain subConsciously is doing … but it is a conscious effort. As for Trump, he is no choir boy and he has a certain degree of narcissism but … find me a president in the last 50 years who didn’t have that (with the possible exception of Jimmy Carter … who may have been the best man and worst president ever at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave). He would do much better for himself financially if he were to focus on business and not government. Unlike many in gov’t … he has greatly reduced his net worth while serving as President. Look at the emazing wealth increase of the Biden syndicate while he was VP and as President. Do you think it’s normal for China to invest billions with a known crack head? Or for a Ukranian energy company to pay $1M/year to that same crack head who has 0 experience or training in the energy field? And do you ever wonder who “The Big Guy” is? Or why Joe has gone golfing with people he later said he never met?
The Bidens made poot compared to me. Once I have my sock puppet pardon me for for the crimes that got me here,I’ll be unstoppable!
Does that means he is going to screw you and everyone else like the workers of the Atlantic casino not getting paid?what a consolation price.
I’ve definitely heard of some nasty stuff he did when in business. But for me, all Trump has done is kept inflation low, kept the world peaceful, kept the border under control, and greatly enhanced my retirement accounts (even adjusting for inflation). So I can express TDS on his past, or I can focus on how he has impacted millions of people. We just take different options here.
What do you mean that he kept inflation low? From 2009 to 2021the Federal Reserve has fighting deflationary pressures to keep inflation up near the 2% target. Trump did nothing to “keep inflation low,” he was President during a disinflationary time. He was President for just 38 months before the pandemic hit and the world as a whole stopped and focused on fighting the pandemic. It would not be hard to find a 38 month period in every decade over the the last 50 years when a new armed conflict did not begin. The stock market did not perform any better under Trump during his term than Obama or Trump, and no where near what the market did under Clinton.
Well, somehow in those deflationary times the market did great. It worked for me. I guess I should hate that though
You should not hate the low inflationary environment that persisted from 2010 to 2021, but you should seek to understand the difference between correlation and causation when trying to attribute a certain economic condition to a particular politician or set of policies.
Trump did nothing for the debt crisis and I don’t deify him, but if you think his policies were not better for the economy than the trainwreck Biden’s puppet-masters brought in, we’ll just agree to disagree.
Workers only steal profits!
It got the gullible to vote for us!
Not a huge Trump fan, but did I choose:
Low inflation over high inflation
controlled border over open border
World at peace vs international sh–storm
Affordable gas and groceries vs unaffordable
Guilty as charged.
You’ll get neither, and love it!