A work ethic that can also be found in Central and South America and Africa.
vanderlyn
1 year ago
in 1945 pax dumbphuckistan had about 6% of world population and depending how one measures wealth and prosperity some where in the neighborhood of 50% of the good stuff. with world flattened, and USSR and China withdrawing from trading……….the nit wits in amerika could live large for a good 40 years with NO competition. HS dropouts, the village idiots could buy a house on a “salary” at whatever job……….in the salad years. really unique time in global econ history. now we have the same percentage of world population around same 6% but our share of global wealth NET of debts…….is somewhere cut in half or more. FFS folks, we are just back to normal international trading economics with a little competition. the rich nit wits born in amerika in mid century last, actually think they had it tough, is just too rich. pardon the pun. the dumbphuckery of the arrogance and ignorance of native born amerikans is just off the hook. i learned as a young fella in the 1970s to just enjoy the idiots and mock them and realize they are my competition for hunting and gathering. it’s quite amusing once you get the hang of abusing amerikan middlebrwows. they really are so arrogant. and ignorant. bad combo. i’m arrogant. i even let ignorance slide, but NOT arrogance and ignorance. they deserve abuse.
JackWebb
1 year ago
Yeah, and then there was the other b.s. survey from a scam outfit called “Alignable” purporting to show that one-third of small businesses can’t pay their rent. Mish and many others parroted that one without ever bothering to investigate the source. Sheesh, this is like the National Enquirer, except that those guys actually had standards.
Implying that American workers are exploited by any kind of global standard
Christoball
1 year ago
Just my two cents worth.
Passive income was not even a thing until the 20th and 21st century. Everyone young to old had something to do that was vital. Sensible imput from the youth was required, and the elderly always wanted to find something useful to do for the cause, and not relegate themselves to only hobbies and self-expression. Such was the wonder of rural non-industrial life.
The social contract was rewritten 100 years ago, so that people worked a hard 40-45 years (30 years if you were in government) in for many, some unfulfilling job. Then you retired. The only escape from this was the pursuit of unproductive passive income for a quicker exit.
Now when someone is successful using this unproductive passive income escape hatch to avoid productive contributions to society, they are said to be really smart. When some younger person pursues life’s ambitions, and avoidance of the unfulfilling career, they are said to be lazy and shiftless. The younger person may or may not be achieving self preservation at someone else’s expense depending upon their imput. Sometimes they are just more creative or frugal or avoid excessive consumerism. Sometimes they expect more in return than they are offered. They did not write the current century old social contract that their parents lived under, but they are re-writing a new social contract and should be applauded and helped. They are not going to work themselves to death to keep the unproductive passive income model alive at their expense.
Some folks choose well-off parents, as opposed to those that give the matter little thought.
MPO45
1 year ago
For many workers the days of unpaid overtime and weekend work is gone. Work your wage has replaced quiet quitting as the new meme forcing employers to add more people to finish projects.
I am intrigued by many of the comments here that think business owners are entitled to free labor. People wanting to get paid for work is now a radical idea? It goes to show you how far society has come for the better.
But it also re-enforce what I’ve been saying for some time now, huge labor crisis coming over the next few years: boomers retire but still want their Wendy’s burgers and Domino’s pizza while millenials want better pay or move overseas. I can’t wait for the social security administration to publish how many new enrollees there are to social security for 2022. I suspect 5.4 million or more.
who the heck in their right mind still wants wendy’s or dominos. my lord, where the devil were you raised, in a strip mall ? that’s not food. that’s garbage.
did i hurt your puzzy. i’m sorry old sport. sure you eat that slop. most middlebrows lap it up. hell most amerikans would eat their own feces if madison avenue told them to, during their endless sports and entertainment dumbphuck lives of luxury.
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
My generation had b&w television with shows like the Rifleman, Sea Hunt, and Leave it to Beaver. The following generations? Mr. Rogers and Sesame Street? Ya think there’s a correlation?
Unfortunately, many people do not understand the importance of role models and messaging in building personal values. Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers represent social engineering at its worst–like most public television in recent years, they masquerade as education, with the result that parents pay little attention to progressive messaging.
the captain lives in a fantasy navy. i’m blocking him out of pure idiocracy. too dumb. but quite entertaining. i might not block him now that i think about it. he’s a gas. he must be just a thespian play acting a boomer who thinks had it tough in life. perfect type casting. rifleman television show, without a remote control for his idiot box. real tough guys. i shudder to think what would happen if we actually had anything serious going on in pax dumbphuckistan like nazi subs offshore…………..
i’m your age old sport. we did have it tough. we had to walk the 10 feet from the couch across shag carpet or heavens to betsy, a hard floor to actually change the channel on the idiot box. no wonder we are so tough.
“The mute button was invented by Forest Mute in his garage in Hackensack,
N.J. Mute was looking for a method of bypassing Howard Stern on the air
when he accidentally deadened the sound on his set. When he could do
the same on color TV, he knew he was a success.”
RonJ
1 year ago
“Wondering why productivity is down? Think about the new phenomenon called quiet quitting.
People have decided that quality of life is more important than getting ahead.”
Some of Denninger’s commenters decided to quiet quit, in response to vax mandates where they work. That changed the way they looked at their employer.
Vax mandates were kooky, considering, as Dr. Birx said, the vax didn’t work. But especially considering that they aren’t safe, either. The rubbery amyloid clots have been a problem for a number of people. Justin Bieber hasn’t worked since half his face paralyzed, either. A surgeon who had neurological issues shortly after the shot and testified before Senator Ron Johnson, can no longer work his profession. He was rather choked up about it.
Nothing kooky about workers looking at their employer differently, after being coerced to risk those sorts of things happening to them selves.
The depths and inventiveness of your kookery are truly peerless, and wasted on this audience. Why spend it here, when you could use it carve out a high ranking position in the Qanon organization? The rubes don’t have a LOT of money, but there are a LOT of rubes to be harvested. Only commies fail to monetize their kookspew.
Your comedy is inventive. Obviously you can’t refute what i said, so you mock in order to dismiss. The truth is what it is though, regardless that you mock it.
That many in the military left the service is clear evidence that vax mandates had a negative effect on people, particularly as the military aree trained to obey orders. The foolhardiness of Faucism now becomes clear when we see how far the government went to restrict conflicting information.
Why should someone risk serious injury or death, for a team of office workers? Dr. Walenski had Covid again, a month after her bi-valent booster. The vaxxed were virtually, just as vulnerable to Covid, as the unvaxxed. The product was defective, as to intended function.
Per the Pfizer testing, the Absolute Risk Reduction was only .86%. That is negligible reduction. That data was withheld from the public, by the public health agencies. 95% efficacy sounded exceptional, but it was a 95% chance that our absolute risk would be reduced about 1%, by taking the vax. Worse, VAERS went off the charts after the shots were rolled out. Under normal regulations this product would have been removed from the market place a long time ago, to protect the public.
not to mention complete morons. paging hermann caine awards.
Christoball
1 year ago
Passive income was not even a thing until the 20th and 21st century. Everyone young to old had something to do that was vital. Sensible imput from the youth was required, and the elderly always wanted to find something useful to do for the cause, and not relegate themselves to only hobbies and self-expression. Such was the wonder of rural non-industrial life.
The social contract was rewritten 100 years ago, so that people worked a hard 40-45 years (30 years if you were in government) in for many, some unfulfilling job. Then you retired. The only escape from this was the pursuit of unproductive passive income for a quicker exit.
Now when someone is successful using this unproductive passive income escape hatch to avoid productive contributions to society, they are said to be really smart. When some younger person pursues life’s ambitions, and avoidance of the unfulfilling career, they are said to be lazy and shiftless. The younger person may or may not be achieving self preservation at someone else’s expense depending upon their imput. Sometimes they are just more creative or frugal or avoid excessive consumerism. Sometimes they expect more in return than they are offered. They did not write the current century old social contract that their parents lived under, but they are re-writing a new social contract and should be applauded and helped. They are not going to work themselves to death to keep the unproductive passive income model alive at their expense.
Arcane Havoc
1 year ago
I’ve worked at a variety of jobs over my lifetime; I started at 15, and I’m mostly retired at 59. The “career” that killed my ambitions and work ethic was teaching; I did that for 21 years. The current problems with Education, in general, stem from a conflict of cost vs outcome. There are many other factors, but if students have to struggle to learn because of larger classes filled with many behavior-problem peers, and if they are encouraged to “guess” their way through tests (using multiple-choice sheets instead of handwritten responses), AND if they’re promoted eventually regardless of their success or failure… what outcome does one expect of a society that promotes that methodology? Yet, the idea of pushing staff to work harder and longer, for less pay (or giving raises and then absorbing them via insurance and tax hikes), and holding them accountable for the decisions made by others, is still the prevalent mantra in education, and the Pandemic opened the eyes of many young idealistic teachers to this reality.
Now, less-educated workers across America are rebelling against the idea of being treated like teachers in public education — working harder to further another’s ambitions without more than a promise of future benefit. (Americans are steadily becoming less educated, regardless of how many degrees they have to their name. Just look at SAT and ACT tests from 40 years ago compared to now; the scoring system changes, so comparing scores is pointless. These tests have been steadily “dumbed down” because colleges only get paid if people attend them, and they can only lower their standards so much… LOL) Is anyone surprised that workers are finally waking up? They’re given more to do than is reasonable, and more than they are capable of doing, for one thing. They’re not trained well; they’re not prepared for more than basic tasks. This needs to be addressed first, or the rest of society will crumble; it’s as simple as that. Corporate strategies, such as hiring from overseas, are nothing more than feeble stop-gaps that bring other problems into the situation. A more reasonable and ethical education and work paradigm has to be embraced by those who reap the most profit and make those decisions, but it’s very doubtful that they are going to do that. In the name of profit, Corporations and Government are choking the amalgamated Golden Goose of American ingenuity, work ethic, and Capitalism. Ironically, the very thing that gave them power to begin with!
The lack of education is really starting to bite. We don’t even hire junior devs anymore because the vast majority of applicants possess a college degree but a high school education. It’s all over the world too… we hire from anywhere.
I think it has to do with the proliferation of screens more than anything. Kids never focus on anything for more than a couple minutes because of screen addiction.
Blaming the decline of SAT/ACT scores on ‘…colleges only get paid if people attend them, and they can only lower their standards so much…’ is simply naive. How about an overall decline in education as a direct result of women’s liberation, freeing smart women from the classroom to become doctors, lawyers etc? Before you reject the greatest social change of the 20th century; ask yourself who replaced those smart women as teachers? Then, add in the side effects, unearned self esteem and lack of discipline.
20 years ago, i gave up on hiring native born amerikan construction and labor for all my properties i developed. lazy. dumb. entitled. on cell phones. endless cry babies…………like the rifleman comment above. idiots who think they had it tough, and still arrogant and ignorant. thanks, i will take a humble immigrant who works without the whining. from haiti or china or mexico or russia………the native born boomers to youngsters are really a sad case. i call it the curse of luxury in the empire of entitlement.
QTPie
1 year ago
It all bogs down to simple economics… the laws of supply and demand.
The demand for labor is insanely robust at the moment, which is fueling both the quiet-quitting trend as well as inflation.
The only question is does the Fed have the balls to do what is obviously necessary to bring down inflation in the long term – which is to put a serious dent in the overheated labor market.
If the answer is yes then you will, do doubt, see a major shift in people’s recent attitude towards work (a-la “quiet quitting”) when they realize that being lazy at work means getting fired – and more importantly, that there isn’t some other employer who will snap you up immediately following your separation from your current employer.
yup. anyone thinking we are heading into a recession is fooling themselves. jobs are gonna be tight for another decade at least. recession is when my neighbor loses his job. depression is when i lose mine. i literally know ZERO people out of work. was in chinatown today for new years dim sum. booming with litearlly a hundred people on line to get in. mish has missed the mark on economy this time. inflation for services which is the big slug of our rich world economy. some assets going down from incredible bubbling up from 25 years of money printing in 2 short covid years. it ain’t NO recession kids. not in 2022 or in 2023.
I was never in the “we’re currently in a recession” call camp personally. However, at some point higher interest rates and the end of free money will slow down the labor market, although probably not before the 3rd or 4th quarter of 2023. There is still a lot of seed grain out there for the economy to chomp through.
8dots
1 year ago
If S&P co profit plunge, instead of layoffs they might cut your health insurance cost. UNP united health, the Dow leader of the pack, might get a stroke. // The monthly Dow might have a close under Sept 2020 low, after producing the largest green candle in Oct 2022. A channel coming from Jan 2022 to Dec highs, parallel from Sept low, might bounce on the monthly cloud for fun. But the cloud is thinner than the monthly bars…
because the Dow is drunk.
GeorgeWP
1 year ago
I am boomer. I was in family businesses for 10 years, then went into IT. I worked long hours to get Projects done. It took a few years to work out that working for a wage isn’t the same as working your own business. You get nothing or a small reward for the extra effort. The only reason to commit is if you have been sucked into work ethic propaganda, or you are a sociopath on the way to the top.
I still work extra hours when needed, but only if I get paid overtime.
Seems like the younger generations just worked that out quicker, especially in countries with ageing populations.
Of course corporations will try moving operations to places where there is a more easily exploited workforce or they will lobby governments to increase immigration from poorer countries. If they succeed then wages and conditions will reduce and maybe work sentiment swings back.
That is the battle between profit and wages, you will notice of course that increased profits are always portrayed as good and increased wages or better working conditions are usually bad.
a truth teller with wisdom, you are. i lucked out in life, i figured out the game of life early one thanks to the role models in my life who figured out there are 2 types of men in business world. owners and middlebrow paycheck crowd. karl marx explained this all quite well in fact. take a man off a family owned farm and give him a paycheck in a factory, and you now have a farm animal and not a man. perhaps coarse for the pearl clutchers, but alas the truth. makes no difference about one’s “paycheck”. they are mere middle brow farm animals.
The intellectuals laugh at the people living on a family owned farm. A bunch of dumb hicks, they smirk. Those intellectuals are working for someone else, such as a university. High brow farm animals.
The CEO of a corporation works for the board, but he gets a big paycheck. I worked for what became a major post production company. Bit of a long story, but the owner changed finance companies after moving the facility and the finance company basically stole his company out from under him, firing him from the business he co-founded and owned for over 30 years. The business was later sold to another post house, which itself apparently then went bankrupt, and created some karma for that finance company.
One of the guys i worked with there, was the third person hired when the company was founded. He became a top editor. He survived the turmoil after the owner was fired and felt he would be retained by the new company. He was laid off the day the company changed hands.
agree 100%. doesn’t matter whether you own your farm or the food truck, you are an owner. the employee class is dumbed down. usa is dead last in OECD nations for true small business ownership. goes un noticed for most. economist newspaper covers it best in main stream media world. i always tell my pals they are not really business MEN. they are just employees. big difference.
mrutkaus
1 year ago
I remember how Bill Clinton’s bombing an African Asprin factory encouraged me to get out of the work force. Sorta similar with current megarich…you just don’t want to feed them.
another great reason not to pay income taxes. there is no need if one reads the directions in the business of life, tax code and proper business books.
whirlaway
1 year ago
“The push for $15 is long gone. Now workers want $22 or more an hour.”
The push for $15 was a DECADE ago. Since then, there has been this thing called “inflation” that one needs to adjust for. The reason why workers want $22/more an hour is that it costs $22/more to buy what could be bought for $15 a decade ago.
“If we pay people enough to not work, this is what happens.”
LOL. That was 2 years ago. Are people still being paid not to work? Of course not.
Nobody wants to be a plumber or electrician that gets paid $40-60/hr.
Everyone wants to go to university that comes with student debt, and obtain a degree that cannot get a job that pays more than $15/hr.
MikeC711
1 year ago
“A democracy can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury.” Historian, Alexander Tyler
Life comes with expenses. Asking for $15 or $22 to flip burgers is going to increase automation. Rents are much higher for those not satisfied to live in their parents’ basement. If we don’t have someone like JoeB in there who will take from the taxpayers to pay off his union campaign contributors and buy younger votes … the lack of work ethic will come back to burn them. If we keep folks like JoeB in there … it will come back to burn us all.
So where is the automation? It was $15/hr that would cause all the burger flipping jobs to be automated – where is it? Now it’s $22? In five years, the same comment will appear here to the tune of “$30/hr will cause all the jobs to be automated” blah..blah..blah….
What people don’t get is that robots and automation don’t design themselves. Someone has to architect it, design it, build it, deploy it and then maintain it. It takes an army of people (programmers, designers, architects, network engineers, cabling, electricians, etc) to do automation and we don’t have those people to build out all that automation.
It is being Beta tested. Here in Orange County CA you can only order your McDonald’s fast food via Kiosk (or app). Burger King food is twice as expensive if you do not order through their App. My Denny’s on Beach Blvd delivers ALL food via robots!!!! It is a trip…
Christoball
1 year ago
As much as many Baby Boomers would trade there money or generous pensions for Youth. Young people do not want to trade their Youth for a unit of measurement called Dollars.
JeffD
1 year ago
This happens in every society. The division of the pie gets so skewed by “government” that society just disintigrates.
pax dumbphuckistan empire is obviously unwinding. we are about 90% unwound. been going on for a few decades. many thinkers from ray dalio to doug casey concur. it’s a good thing. wicked violent empires no bueno.
It will continue sliding like this for many more decades.
You’re going to die long before this gets close to 90%.
LM2022
1 year ago
Personally I think it’s a healthy attitude. The proverbial “American Dream” is no longer in reach for anyone but the super wealthy. Why sacrifice your youth, your health and your sanity to make your boss a little bit richer?
Agree. If healthcare were truly universal, people would feel less pressure to work or stay at a job. Lifting the burden off businesses would help too but even ccorporations want something for nothing.
As long as we continue to live in a corporate fascist state not much will fundamentally change. More people will get consumed by inflation and stop chasing their tail until we get an deflationary collapse that we’ve been trying to defer since 2008.
Not as much as them, but I was a heckuva lot better off every year by year by year.
vanderlyn
1 year ago
this is a positive trend imho. sign of maturity of an empire or country. so much more to a quality of life besides “work like activities”. please see trends in the oldest democracies and societies on earth. ex. italia and greece……….the amerikan work ethic was hooey and pablum spoon fed to the middlebrows by their betters and owners. my god, the modern amerikan boomer middlebrow is dense. i should know, i am one. also happen to hold passport and vote in italia. seems like mish and company could use an economist subscription and actually reading the world wide trends towards work and “productivity” all over the globe. of course the ownersship class a bit sad. i’m an owner of course, but don’t rank my business life very high in importance of life. ranks quite middle to lower end of the 10 most important things in my life. i say bully bully and hip hip hooray for the kids. i have been going to college for 44 years. i am around the 18 to 20 year olds at CC level. they are 10x wiser than my pals were in 1978. perhaps 100x wiser. bully bully
All wealth reduces to productivity, capital, and innovation. As for a current generation that is10x wiser than those of 1978, IQ stats say quite the opposite for overall intelligence. I suspect overall general knowledge is the same. Being facile with Twitter and Meta, you are likely right.
intelligence is common. wealth is common. schooling is common. wisdom is quite a different thing. a rare earth quality. i said wiser. much different from the boomer middlebrow ruler of measurement as you commonly and quite crudely explained.
As someone wisely said on this forum, “Baby Boomers are worse than rent.” So why pick on generations younger than them?????
Baby boomers pretended to be minimalists on their parents dime wearing the hippy costume, but gorged themselves into a generation of gluttony that has already had over 30 percent of them perish before the time of average life expectancy. The whole world economy shut down to save those whose co-morbidity’s would have finished them off anyway. I think many younger folk look at all this and say…… What is the point of living life to support someone elses non productive passive income.??????(Government Pension, Stock portfolio, 401K, Rental Income etc.)
A few of the young whipper snappers try and keep the soul selling non productive passive income lifestyle going, but where is the satisfaction of selling your soul to gain the world.
It would not take much of a change in consciousness to turn Fiat Wealth and Speculative Fraud Lifestyle upside down.
you my captain, should be defrocked and made to walk the plank or at least scrub the head. worked on fishing boats in my youth. cleaned out quite a bit of party boat heads.
Why don’t you give an example, or two, of the greater wisdom of today’s generation? Perhaps how wisdom has enabled their better decisions or improved their lives. I do NOT mean how they’ve been brainwashed to repeat today’s narratives, for example, global climate change.
if i need to explain wisdom it’s over your head already. come out of the kiddie pool and join the adults. get a history of economics and geography and political book. maybe a few years in a library.
For example – see all the 20th Century Sicilian wiseguys.
TheCaptain
1 year ago
The Global Debt Ponzi is now in the collapse phase. The only thing that drove so much payment was the availability of easy debt based money. Now that debt money is not easy again, people see that they are spending hours chasing an American Dream that was nothing but a debt fueled fantasy. As Mish says, productivity will collapse and so will production. But the money supply will continue to grow due to inflation. When money supply outstrips production, that is the basis of CPIflation (AKA rising prices which is different than inflation of the money supply).
At some point people lose confidence in the issuing authority. That is the basis of hyperinflation.
The dead end to the rat race is clearly visible to most of them now, and perks and pizza parties can’t fill that void. I was taught about Unlimited Wants in Econ 101, and it was presented as a law. I think we’re starting to see that it’s not…. or it’s not strong enough to get people to grind any harder for whatever it is they wanted. It doesn’t take much to keep fed and warm, and a mind boggling array of entertainment is available for dirt cheap. Why wear yourself out to make your boss richer?
Workers in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s had a much higher chance at home ownership than workers today.
One reason is that there were a lot more adequately compensated workers in smaller cities where the cost of living was in line with the wages earned by most, or at least a higher percentage of, residents than what you find in big cities.
And now many of those cities are shells of their former selves where those who remain have higher rates of drug addiction and those who leave have to contend with the high cost of living in the big cities, driven higher by so many young ppl looking to leave those smaller cities.
the 40s to 80s was the aberration. amerika lucked out with all the wealth in world after 2 long world wars. we are just going back to the normal times when middlebrows get crumbs. small towns. countryside. big cities. east and west. now is the normal times. not that easy peasy post war when the village idiot with just a HS degree could live large. sorry my friend. thems the facts.
“… It doesn’t take much to keep fed and warm, and a mind boggling array of entertainment is available for dirt cheap….”
At one level, this speaks to one’s motivation, not only to work, but to do anything worth doing. By your view, mediocrity in everything is a worthwhile pursuit.
Most people simply have no intrinsic motivation to do anything. It’s not a character failing, they just don’t have it, and can’t be taught it. They work as a means to an end…. and the end doesn’t justify the work so much anymore, so they’re backing off. They have what they need.
Some people do have that motivation, and derive satisfaction from their work. There aren’t a lot of those, though.
Mediocrity is, by definition, the norm. Most people HAVE to be mediocre. Is that adequate reason to despise them?
you my friend have wisdom. a rare earth quality in life and on mish blog. cherish it and hold it dear. happy blasphemy day. i celebrate on the proper julian calendar. none of this new age gregorian calendar for the dumphuckery class. but alas i’ll tip a few and toast the empire and the middlebrows.
correct. biden or trump or whoever is our mein fuhrer, will just put another zero in everyone’s bank accounts. so simple now. the plague shut down and printing of 25 years and dropping in everyone’s accounts was just a nice warm up to what is coming. all banana republiks and unwinding empires do the same thing, for the most part.
You raise a good point. Global competition is a game changer in employment. Screw off, and someone else will step up to fill your slot. Truly smart people would realize this and take appropriate steps.
and to be my dentist and doctors and maids and uber driver and grub hub and chefs…………..
Doug78
1 year ago
As a Boomer, this is when Millennials and Zoomers expect me to come out and say how lazy good-for-nothing dumba..es they are but I will not say that so they will be disappointed. I refuse to call them worthless whining nincompoops as well so they will have to go elsewhere to be insulted because I will not do it!
worleyeoe
1 year ago
I read about two paragraphs of an article titled something like “The Best Talent Wants to Work From Anyhere”. Let’s see how that works out for the top talent, if we get lucky and find ourselves knee deep in a recession in the 2nd half of 2023. Like a real one where somehow this strong labor market deteriorates to 6% unemployment. Would love to read articles starting in September about how all these Gen Z workers are flabbergasted at how easy it was for their employer to fire them working remotely. Just keep your laptop!🤣
As a company System Administrator I can wipe it completely – from anywhere, without warning.
HR will send you your one page termination notice by FedEx.
Rbm
1 year ago
. It looks like new names for the same ole problem. Just now you cant replace dead weight as easy. Fewer people total and good people. At the same time whats the use of busting your balls to get ahead when you cant afforded a house or car anyway. Throw in the mix covid lock down may have given a new outlook on being happy or what is important i their life.
China has the same problem. Think the call them lay about or something.
Reagan’s trickle-down economics & tax cuts for C-suites has been a HUGE success for job creation, in China, India, Mexico, Taiwan….
Meanwhile back at the ranch, the Fed has engaged in progressively lower rates the entire time to offset increased government and household debt as a result of lower revenues and median wages.
The worst part, tell me which political group is going to rally for increasing tax revenues on the ruling donor class, or, tell me which is going to cut entitlements on American households with a debt to income ratio at ~110% as rates are now rising.
I am sure my history education is sorely lacking compared to some people here; however, I do know that unfettered economic migration will continue until there is no economic gain in migrating. I also know that those who enter illegally do so with NO RESPECT for the laws of the country–hardly the kind of citizen destined for long term success.
get a history book. study our border history. my god captain, i shudder at the vessel your hand on tiller. hope it’s a little dinghy. get a drink. and a smoke. take a breather and get a history book. there is always next year.
Debt to GDP us actually ~ 135% (31.4B/23.3B). We’ll be at 150% ($34B/22B) by the time Biden gets thrown out. Yes, I’m expecting a recession that cuts GDP which is very reasonable.
RAYGUN was a con man, one could smell a thousand miles away. i was shocked at how dumbed down the class of middlebrows who fought for first dibs to gargle his old testes. i was 20 and it seemed so obvious his history in life was a total con. his economics were an obvious grift. i didn’t realize how dumbed down the middle brows were until i hit about 22 or so. 40 years ago.
my lord old sport you made my year complete. old grifter laffer. ha ha ha. time to go get drunk. happy new year and good luck. get a history book. start 2023 off with some knowledge and pray to the great roman god jupiter for some wisdom. on your prayer mat.
The basic idea of supply side economics is to create an economic milieu that
will foster increased production of higher quality goods and services which can
be marketed at competitive prices. To achieve these objectives, we need to
reduce monopolistic elements in the price structure (monopolistic prices of
goods or services tends to increase prices and restrict output); increase labor
productivity; reduce unit labor costs; reduce transfer payments to the
non-productive sectors; eliminate excess regulatory burdens, excessive rates of
taxation on producers and savers, etc.
The caveat is that supply side economics requires structural and attitudinal
changes which will be zealously resisted by powerful special interest
groups. Even more intractable are constraints imposed by resource and
technological factors. Gains will be limited and a long time in coming
even with our best efforts. Up until now we have ameliorated these
unnecessary self-imposed economic hardships largely through massive transfer payments
to non-productive recipients. Deficit financing by the Federal Government
provided the principal source of funds. Al we all should know, there is a
finite limit to this “remedy”.
“If we pay people enough to not work, this is what happens.”
Yup.
Pay me millions simply to sit on the couch in a “home” which is getting moldier every year, and a few more hundred thousand to sit around like an idiot following mystical betting “strategies” in Vegas and on “Wall Street”; and why should I bother working unpaid overtime to retain a $22/hr job again???
“Getting ahead” in America has been nothing other than a direct, 100%, synonym for being handed loot The Fed and government has stolen from more productive people; and for only that; for decades upon decades already. Indoctrination has certainly done a decent job of hiding that trivially obvious fact from the dupes for awhile. But eventually, the rat starts smelling so bad that even designated dupes starts catching a whiff.
And really: For relative prices to accurately reflect the productive value of working as a burger flipper, vs working as a hedge fund manager or “real estate investor”; the burger flipper would need to be paid on the order of a few $quadrillion per second. At least the guy does something, anything; of some, any value, sometimes.
First, as you described, all value is relative. Only market value has any meaning, and that varies with supply and demand.
The burger flipper is lucky to get $22 per hour because the skill/expertise required to flip burgers is minimal, and the value added to each burger flipped is measured in pennies. The hedge fund trader had better make his/her salary many times over during a year. Ditto the real estate investor, with the caveat that it is relatively easy to make money in a rising market. That tide is changing rapidly–ask SBF.
The real problem is a) government ineffectiveness b) corrupt/incompetent politicians c) an electorate that does not hold its politicians accountable etc.
Sitting on one’s rear on a couch in a “home” takes NO, as i a cold hard zero, skill. Ditto picking random numbers. It takes NO skill. Noone does it neither better nor worse than anyone else.Meaning: Noone is any more nor less “skilled” at it, than anyone else.
Instead, ALL the gains which has accrued to to the guy on the couch and the guy on “Wall Street” is pure, 100%, redistribution. Houses do not add create value by sitting there. San Francisco sourdough is good, but not that good…. Ditto some yahoo clowning around on some “board room” making decisions based solely on some of the most thoroughly randomised data series in existence.
As you say: It is “easy” to “make money” (in reality to be handed money), in a “rising market.” Specifically because the only way anyone can end up with more money as a result of simply sitting on something as it decays, is to be unconditionally handed the gains by some redistributive “system.” Somebody had to create the value that makes up the “homeowner’s” “gains”. The tooth fairy didn’t do it. Neither did the mold in the walls. Instead, the only way value is created, is by someone doing some useful work to create it. That someone, then has to have some of the value he created taken away from him, and handed to yahoos sitting on the couch and/or picking random numbers. Simple as that.
Of course, this means a cost is imposed on those creating value, aka productive people. Making them less competitive at what they do. The more the various “asset owners” are handed in exchange for just sitting there doing nothing useful, the bigger that cost HAS TO, MATHEMATICALLY be. There is no other way.
Until we are where we are now: Americans can’t compete at almost anything at all. Not, in any way whatsoever, as a result of trivially idiotic nonsense being spouted by the idiot classes about scary Chinese child laborers and other illiterate drivel. If slave labor was efficient, all meaningful states would be slave states a long time ago. All states are not, because slavery, nor five year planning, isn’t. Free markets are efficient. The Chinese are bitch slapping “us” competiyively because “they” are, net, freer than “we” are by now. By a lot. And that ain’t on account on them being some sort of constitutional anarchy. Just on account of “us” robbing every potentially productive American into nothing more than indentured slavery. Solely to maintain the illusion that dumb and useless idiots are somehow “smart” by sitting on their rear being handed gains by a run amuck Fed and “legal” racket.)
It’s still stupid and destructive to pay people whatever an hour plus $600 in cash for nothing. It’s just that those sorts of redistributions account for no more than noise, compared to the big one: Redistribution by way of “Asset” “Appreciation.” THat’s the one that killed America. By making it less effectively free than even the Soviet Union was at it’s peak. Compared to China, we’re hardly different from North Korea and Chavez’ Venezuela.
truth. in pax dumbphuckistan, the fed prints and the treasury pays the banks interest to accept the money. the military industry grifts close to a trillion per annum including VA system. it’s a grifter empire. the old boomers too dumbed down to get it. too old to accept the truth. too much a mind phuck for their little brain washed heads.
PreCambrian
1 year ago
I think that you hit the nail on the head when you blamed the Fed for the lack of housing affordability. The almost two decades of low interest rates increased businesses share of gdp while lowering labor’s share and it increased the price of assets including homes. We need to get interest rates up where workers can afford to save for a home (i.e. home prices don’t go up faster than the interest rate of savings) and housing prices don’t rise so fast that they become a speculative investment.
This won’t directly affect the price of the other two big items, healthcare and education, but it will help. Education prices would come down if scholarships and student loans were merit based and not given out to everyone who applies. This would result in an oversupply of openings relative to students able to afford school. Not sure what to do about healthcare but I think that a combination of basic free healthcare along with private insurance for those who want more than the basics would work. It works in Australia, Costa Rica, and Germany.
There was a time when higher education was based on academic merit. Then, rich people bought their way in. Then, equality upset the apple cart–intellect and hard work was dismissed as criteria, replaced by the progressive version of ‘fairness’. Education declined in quality, and increased in price, with no end in sight because no one is ready to admit the obvious–lazy with an IQ of 95 is NOT college material, no matter one’s wealth, race IGBQness… The end result should be obvious.
strataland
1 year ago
The Power Generation bears some responsibility.
How many times have you heard the saying? “We’re mortgaging our kid’s future.”
We’ve saddled youthful generations with a $30 trillion national debt; forced
them to buy healthcare insurance to spread the risk; left them with
sky-rocketing tuition resulting in enormous student debt; left ballooning and
nearly incalculable unfunded pension obligations for Federal, State, local governments
and public safety officials; and they can’t afford a home. Is it any wonder, with all of these
obligations unwillingly foisted upon them that they might feel as though
something in our current government structure is amiss? That the career path of their predecessors may not be available to them. One could argue that their
current situation is a form of socialism forced upon them by their predecessors.
With $92 Trillion of debt and the ridiculous asset valuations that the debt has caused, who would want to work hard for the unattainable.
The post WWII spoils of the United States are completely gone and now we have $92 Trillion of debt to show for it.
Fully expect debt to continue to run amok.
No way out.
MBA SOFA
1 year ago
I suppose people fought for their families. One person alone in the world needs little. No families and no children makes working hard meaningless. Plus all that profets screaming the world will end soon because the climatic change, what to strive for?
klausmkl
1 year ago
You can’t blame the young. America is corrupt as heck. We are so polarized now nothing will be accomplished. Everyone is an expert on everything. The War cycle has started. America is in dire shape. Our Institutions from medicine to religion are all corrupt and exist for profit only. American democracy has failed. Many will never retire. Retirement will go the way of the edsel. Folks hate truth and love having their ears tickled.
I can’t speak about the clergy, although the pedophile priest scandals are well known, but the medical profession is thoroughly compromised. It really is a sickness industrial complex.
clergy mostly grifting for contributions from the flocks. old as dirt. go to vatican and count the gold.
Bbbbbbb
1 year ago
Sam Bankman-Fried was ambitious. How did that work out? You always want to blame workers for not chasing after the carrot at sprint speed, or point the finger at the Fed or low-interest rates. Maybe the system is rigged for the rich/capitalist class and youth especially have come to recognize that. Maybe the Fed and low-interest rates is just a clear evidence that the system IS rigged for the rich/capitalist class.
Life has never been fair. Once you accept this reality, you realize that you have to work hard to make the best life you can. I choose to focus on that. Others choose to complain. Complaining is usually a waste of time.
You can do both. Odd that a country that was founded thru revolution has such a low estimation of “complainers”. Tell it to George Washington, et al.
Six000mileyear
1 year ago
If the quiet quitters and act your wage people were using their personal time to start new businesses and design new products; then I would not be as concerned. Instead what I see is a rejection of work ethic in general. Productive employees will have better job security.
One great thing about America is that it provides us all with an opportunity to get ahead (admittedly not an equal opportunity, but an opportunity nonetheless). It is up to each of us to make the best life possible for ourselves. There will always be some who take advantage of this opportunity and some who will not. I choose to take advantage. Others choose to complain. As we approach a brand new year, I typically resolve to work hard to improve the quality of my life; in health, wealth, family and friends. Just like I did last year. And the year before. And so on.
I cannot change others. I cannot change the world. I can only change my own life. Having said that, I guess it is time to make a few predictions for next year.
Predictions for 2023
Happy New Year to All! Here are some predictions for 2023. In no particular order. Many will be wrong, but it’s fun to try and predict.
Driverless vehicles will continue to make excruciatingly slow progress, and full driverless widespread adoption is still a decade away (at least). Instead, more and more new vehicles will have more and more driver assist and safety technology. So, we will still need lots of truck drivers, pizza delivery drivers, Uber drivers etc.
Worldwide sales of EVs will continue to increase, but so will sales of ICE vehicles. So, demand for gas and diesel will continue to increase. As will demand for copper, and battery materials. It will be interesting to see how many EV transport trucks will be on the road in 2023 (1000, 5000?).
Global travel will grow a lot, particularly air travel. Big increase in jet fuel demand.
Another big increase in the build out of Renewable Energy. But still not enough to match the growth in overall demand for energy. Demand for fossil fuels will continue to increase.
WTI oil prices will range from $70 to $120 and average somewhere between $90 and $105. Oil companies will continue to gush cash flow and reward shareholders. This is why I will continue to hold a lot of oil and gas stocks.
Food prices to increase more slowly, but remain high. More temporary shortages of various food items.
House prices to decrease slightly compared to 2022 nationally, though each local real estate area is unique.
Interest rates to continue to increase for the first half of the year, and then stabilize.
Inflation (US) to drop to the 3-5% range later in the year.
Slow growth, or mild recession at some point in the year.
Stock market volatility to continue, but markets will not end the year very far from where they are now.
Very little progress will be made on the global warming problem. We will keep increasing carbon dioxide and methane levels. Of course, since this is a longer-term problem, we will mostly keep ignoring it, as we focus on short term problems that are more pressing. Mitigation efforts are the best we can do at this point. And the energy transition that the world is currently at the beginning of, will continue at too slow a pace to make much difference till the next decade.
There will be several attempts at some form of climate geo-engineering in 2023, in the hope of trying to come up with a magic bullet to solve global warming, with poor or negative results.
La Nina may reappear for a third year in a row, but will give way eventually to a Neutral year. No El Nino in 2023.
Both 2022 and 2023 will join the list of the 10 hottest years since we began keeping records.
A continuation of a variety of even more extreme weather events (1 in 100 years, 1 in 1000 years). Expect insurance (where it is available) costs to keep increasing.
No political predictions, because I simply don’t care.
If you understood what is happening globally, you might realize Klausmkl makes an astute observation, although actual war is not yet predetermined. However, the sides are already drawn. All that is needed is the precipitating event.
A US strike to eliminate Putin, for example… Is Biden that stupid?
China, Russia, Iran, NK, Venezuela, Brazil, Mexico are all definitely choosing sides, and it isn’t with us. China wants Tiawan. Russia wants parts of eastern Europe back. Hell, there’s a war brewing here in the US over social & economic policies of the uni-party. The Dogs of War are certainly ready to exploit any precipitating event.
business is politics is geography, is war and peace. it’s all one and the same subject. ex. putin wanted a land bridge to another warm water port in addition to syria. he seems to have been vicgtorious in this endeavor. it’s war, geography and poltics and a ton of business……..
“La Nina may reappear for a third year in a row” – FYI, this winter is 3rd in a row which is extremely rare. Last time was in the 50’s, I believe.
My predictions for 2023:
FFR reaches 5% by March FOMC. PCE inflation remains sticky, forcing the Fed to continue 25-basis point hikes in June. JPowell offically admits that core PCE inflation of 2% is a pipe dream outside of a major recession. FFR reaches 6% by October at which point the labor market begins to wobble with 1st-time unemployment claims reaching 265K.
Total annual interest expense for FY 2023 reaches $907B and the annual deficit is $1.7T. Tax receipts turn south in 4th Qtr (i.e., Jul – Sep).
Housing continues a slow decline but doesn’t truly fall off a cliff until Nov 2023.
Mortgage rates end the year at 4.95% unless the Fed sell MBS which is anyone’s guess.
S&P 500 ends the year at 3,000.
Unemployment reaches 4% by November.
Helion Energy makes significant progress towards completing its 7th gen Polaris fusion reactor which in 2024 will demonstrate its technology is one of the most viable & quickest paths to commercial fusion.
4M illegal immigrants find their way into the US via open borders adding to the 3M since Biden took office.
DeSantis declares his run for 2024 by late Summer.
little whiney shrill desanctimonius is the new scott walker. he ain’t ready for prime time old sport. a lay up bet i’ve made with my dumbphuckery pals. give the man a stool for the debates if he even makes it one.
there is only a few things we know about the future of prices in stocks, bonds, interest rates, inflation oil…….we know about everyone from me to mish to papa D to captain A. we know you don’t know. we know i don’t know. we just don’t know if you know you don’t know. why i am a trend follower trader. emphasis on follow.
Perhaps if you spent more time in forecasting ‘stocks, bonds, interest rates, inflation oil…….’
Most investors follow trends (buy going up, sell going down). The most successful investors endeavor to get in front of the trend (buy near the bottom, sell near the peak).
BTW, there comes a point in education where you realize what you don’t know. It’s usually during the writing of a doctoral dissertation.
(1) the number of background checks will continue to multiply, spreading your personal information among a growing pool of minimum wage workers and sold to marketers, until there is 100% chance of identity theft for applying.
(2) All jobs will be listed through recruiters only, so they can take away at least a third of the salary that should be going to you.
(3) The recruiter will be your “employer” for at least the first six months to wreck more havoc on your personal life.
(4) hiring managers will have absolutely no recourse to bypass the HR department when hiring, guaranteeing a complete mismatch between candidate skills and actual hiring needs
(5) if you are over 50, please apply so the identity theft can still occur, but there is a 0% chance you will be hired.
N.J. Mute was looking for a method of bypassing Howard Stern on the air
when he accidentally deadened the sound on his set. When he could do
the same on color TV, he knew he was a success.”
“The push for $15 is long gone. Now workers want $22 or more an hour.”
The push for $15 was a DECADE ago. Since then, there has been this thing called “inflation” that one needs to adjust for. The reason why workers want $22/more an hour is that it costs $22/more to buy what could be bought for $15 a decade ago.
LOL. That was 2 years ago. Are people still being paid not to work? Of course not.
Life comes with expenses. Asking for $15 or $22 to flip burgers is going to increase automation. Rents are much higher for those not satisfied to live in their parents’ basement. If we don’t have someone like JoeB in there who will take from the taxpayers to pay off his union campaign contributors and buy younger votes … the lack of work ethic will come back to burn them. If we keep folks like JoeB in there … it will come back to burn us all.
. It looks like new names for the same ole problem. Just now you cant replace dead weight as easy. Fewer people total and good people.
At the same time whats the use of busting your balls to get ahead when you cant afforded a house or car anyway.
Throw in the mix covid lock down may have given a new outlook on being happy or what is important i their life.
Well, it’s them or the kooks….
Bernanke’s “wealth
effect” doesn’t work. Link: “Changes in Wealth and the Velocity of Money”.
Changes
in Wealth and the Velocity of Money (stlouisfed.org)
Bank-held savings
have a zero payment’s velocity. The FED’s Ph.Ds. don’t know a credit from a
debit.
The basic idea of supply side economics is to create an economic milieu that
will foster increased production of higher quality goods and services which can
be marketed at competitive prices. To achieve these objectives, we need to
reduce monopolistic elements in the price structure (monopolistic prices of
goods or services tends to increase prices and restrict output); increase labor
productivity; reduce unit labor costs; reduce transfer payments to the
non-productive sectors; eliminate excess regulatory burdens, excessive rates of
taxation on producers and savers, etc.
The caveat is that supply side economics requires structural and attitudinal
changes which will be zealously resisted by powerful special interest
groups. Even more intractable are constraints imposed by resource and
technological factors. Gains will be limited and a long time in coming
even with our best efforts. Up until now we have ameliorated these
unnecessary self-imposed economic hardships largely through massive transfer payments
to non-productive recipients. Deficit financing by the Federal Government
provided the principal source of funds. Al we all should know, there is a
finite limit to this “remedy”.
groups” known as the House and the Senate.
How many times have you heard the saying? “We’re mortgaging our kid’s future.”
We’ve saddled youthful generations with a $30 trillion national debt; forced
them to buy healthcare insurance to spread the risk; left them with
sky-rocketing tuition resulting in enormous student debt; left ballooning and
nearly incalculable unfunded pension obligations for Federal, State, local governments
and public safety officials; and they can’t afford a home. Is it any wonder, with all of these
obligations unwillingly foisted upon them that they might feel as though
something in our current government structure is amiss? That the career path of their predecessors may not be available to them. One could argue that their
current situation is a form of socialism forced upon them by their predecessors.
Could you explain how physicians and clergy are corrupt. That is far fetched.
One great thing about America is that it provides us all with an opportunity to get ahead (admittedly not an equal opportunity, but an opportunity nonetheless). It is up to each of us to make the best life possible for ourselves. There will always be some who take advantage of this opportunity and some who will not. I choose to take advantage. Others choose to complain. As we approach a brand new year, I typically resolve to work hard to improve the quality of my life; in health, wealth, family and friends. Just like I did last year. And the year before. And so on.
I cannot change others. I cannot change the world. I can only change my own life. Having said that, I guess it is time to make a few predictions for next year.
Predictions for 2023
Happy New Year to All! Here are some predictions for 2023. In no particular order. Many will be wrong, but it’s fun to try and predict.
Driverless vehicles will continue to make excruciatingly slow progress, and full driverless widespread adoption is still a decade away (at least). Instead, more and more new vehicles will have more and more driver assist and safety technology. So, we will still need lots of truck drivers, pizza delivery drivers, Uber drivers etc.
Worldwide sales of EVs will continue to increase, but so will sales of ICE vehicles. So, demand for gas and diesel will continue to increase. As will demand for copper, and battery materials. It will be interesting to see how many EV transport trucks will be on the road in 2023 (1000, 5000?).
Global travel will grow a lot, particularly air travel. Big increase in jet fuel demand.
Another big increase in the build out of Renewable Energy. But still not enough to match the growth in overall demand for energy. Demand for fossil fuels will continue to increase.
WTI oil prices will range from $70 to $120 and average somewhere between $90 and $105. Oil companies will continue to gush cash flow and reward shareholders. This is why I will continue to hold a lot of oil and gas stocks.
Food prices to increase more slowly, but remain high. More temporary shortages of various food items.
House prices to decrease slightly compared to 2022 nationally, though each local real estate area is unique.
Interest rates to continue to increase for the first half of the year, and then stabilize.
Inflation (US) to drop to the 3-5% range later in the year.
Slow growth, or mild recession at some point in the year.
Stock market volatility to continue, but markets will not end the year very far from where they are now.
Very little progress will be made on the global warming problem. We will keep increasing carbon dioxide and methane levels. Of course, since this is a longer-term problem, we will mostly keep ignoring it, as we focus on short term problems that are more pressing. Mitigation efforts are the best we can do at this point. And the energy transition that the world is currently at the beginning of, will continue at too slow a pace to make much difference till the next decade.
There will be several attempts at some form of climate geo-engineering in 2023, in the hope of trying to come up with a magic bullet to solve global warming, with poor or negative results.
La Nina may reappear for a third year in a row, but will give way eventually to a Neutral year. No El Nino in 2023.
Both 2022 and 2023 will join the list of the 10 hottest years since we began keeping records.
A continuation of a variety of even more extreme weather events (1 in 100 years, 1 in 1000 years). Expect insurance (where it is available) costs to keep increasing.
No political predictions, because I simply don’t care.