How Long Before Putin Shuts Off Natural Gas Delivery to Europe?

EU Natural Gas Price courtesy of Trading Economics, annotations by Mish

Key EU Natural Gas Points 

  • The long term average of of natural gas price in the EU is in the 12-15 range. It’s now 148. 
  • The EU is paying 10 to 12 times its long-term average
  • Since June 8 (blue box) the price rose from 79 to 148, a rise of 87 percent. 

Before addressing what happens if and when Putin shuts off natural gas to Europe, let’s take a look at what’s happening in the US.

The price units are not the same so it’s best to think in percentage terms.

US Natural Gas Price 

US Natural Gas Price courtesy of Trading Economics, annotations by Mish

Key EU Natural Gas Points

  • The long term average of of natural gas price in the US is about 3. It’s now 5.73
  • Whereas the EU is paying 10 to 12 times its long-term average, the US is now paying about 1.9 times its long term average.
  • Since June 6 (blue box) the price fell from 9.3 to 5.73, a decline of about 38 percent.

EU vs US Since Early June

  • EU: +87 Percent
  • US: -37 Percent

Q: What’s going on?
A: Fire!

On June 8, a fire at the Freeport liquid natural gas (LNG) terminal near Galveston,  Texas, shut down the terminal. Freeport is the second largest LNG exporter in the US. It accounts for 15% of LNG exports.

LNG that would be exported to the EU, now won’t. That increases the supply in the US and decreases supply to the EU.

The shutdown was expected to last for days. On June 10, the estimate was a few weeks.

On June 30, the Biden administration citing safety concerns said Freeport could not restart without permission. Bloomberg notes that Feeeport now plans to partially resume operations in October.

Freeport must take a series of corrective actions and send weekly updates to agency, according to a federal notice Thursday. 

“It appears conditions exist at Freeport’s LNG export facility that pose an integrity risk to public safety, property, or the environment,” the notice said.

Q: Is Biden playing politics to keep the US price down?
A: Unclear. Freeport has had other safety issues in the past. 

Regardless, Biden certainly is pleased by these developments while the EU takes another supply shock.

With that backdrop let’s ponder the first of two key EU questions.

When Will Putin Shut Off Natural Gas Delivery to Europe?

That is likely a “when” not a “what if” question. 

No one can answer other than perhaps Putin. He might not even know because the situation is fluid. 

Timing depends on when the EU expects to fill its natural gas storage for the Winter months. 

The EU telegraphs that answer with daily reports of progress in filling storage facilities. Putin could act now, or August, or later perhaps even taking long-term weather forecasts into consideration. 

Whereas the EU is mostly transparent, Putin operates in a nightmare of fog. He will shut off the gas (or not) at a time of his choosing to achieve his goals. 

Good luck figuring that out because it also depends on the EU’s actions to fill storage. 

What’s the Economic Impact When the Flow Stops? 

That’s the key question. Economic impact analysis is amusing and polarized. 

Eurointelligence discusses the range in Where ‘Don’t Know’ is the Correct Answer.

In our irregular series on scenarios that are not our base case but plausible nevertheless, we will focus today on the impact of a Russian gas embargo on Germany. Our base case sits somewhere between the most extreme estimates of German economic institutes.

Prognos predicts a drop in GDP by 12.7% in the second half of this year, around €200bn, if the gas stops flowing. The premise is that once the Nord Stream 1 pipeline gets serviced on July 11, and the gas flows stop during the maintenance period, it will not come back afterwards. Prognos writes that an abrupt stop would mean that half of German demand would not be met by supply. The main economic impact is through a domino effect.

The secondary effects outweigh the primary by 3 to 1 in their calculation. This is why their forecast is so pessimistic.

The other study cited in Handelsblatt comes to a diametrically opposite conclusion. A joint prognosis by Germany’s leading economic institutes says the governments’ efforts to diversify energy supplies were already bearing fruit, and that the effect of an embargo would be minimal. In their most probable scenario, there would be no shortages whatsoever during the winter even if Putin were to cuts the gas. They argue that the improved gas storage is the main reason. In April the gas tanks were 30% full. Now this is up to 58%. They put the probability of a shortfall of supply at only 20%. In that scenario, they arrive at a similar direct economic impact as the Prognos Institute, but they don’t go into the domino doomsday scenarios. In that scenario we are looking at a normal recession. 

When it comes to the future, we can rank our scenarios, and express subjective views, but that is about it. In our own subject base case, Russia will continue to supply gas at reduced volumes until the autumn. Depending on the war, and the size of their current account surplus, they might at this point take a decision to cut supplies altogether. A total cut-off in July, followed by an acute shortage in the winter and an industrial domino effect, is, however, not an improbable scenario.

What we find most useful about these extreme scenarios is not what any of them predict, but the sheer range of expectations between the two. That is telling us that we are dealing with real, raw uncertainty.

Raw Uncertainty 

My expectation is that Putin will shut off [or reduce] supply based on EU progress in filling EU storage facilities. That’s information the EU openly provides to Putin. 

I don’t have a particular date in mind. But I do know that Freeport just entered into the equation. 

US LNG plants other than Freeport are operating at full capacity. There is no way the US can do more. 

Germany is discussing rationing. If it does so, that moves up the date of Putin’s shutoff or further supply reduction. If not, that pushes the date back further. 

It’s possible long-term weather forecasts come into play. Other developments in Ukraine come into play. 

German delivery of weapons to Ukraine come into play. Germany made huge weapons promises to Ukraine, while doing virtually nothing.

If you did not understand why Germany has overpromised but underdelivered weapons to the point of hardly doing anything at all, perhaps you do now. 

There are a massive number of moving pieces, but whereas the US and EU operate in the light of day, Putin operates in a massive fog bank. 

Eurointelligence is between the two extremes and so am I, but that does not make the extremes equally likely. 

A Laughable Explanation of the G7 Oil Price Buyers’ Cartel Emerges

It’s important to note that a huge decrease in supply as opposed to a total cutoff would cripple the EU while keeping money flowing to Russia. That’s more likely than a total shutoff.

These outcomes are all in the hands of Putin. The EU has no control of supply, it is a buyer not a seller of energy.

Yet, the EU thinks of creating a “buyer’s cartel”.

For discussion, please see A Laughable Explanation of the G7 Oil Price Buyers’ Cartel Emerges

Pipe Dreams

The normal recession thesis is a pipe dream of nonsense. Throw that outcome out the window, then pick something in between what remains.

Even if one has faith in a normal-looking recession in the US, the EU has far bigger shocks. It will not have a normal-looking recession.

GDPNow Forecast Plunges to -2.1 Percent, a Recession Has Clearly Started

For a look at where the US stands, please see GDPNow Forecast Plunges to -2.1 Percent, a Recession Has Clearly Started.

In the last three days the GDPNow forecast plunged from +0.7 percent to -2.1 percent, a net swing of 2.8 percentage points.

Also note that the Fed essentially admits it’s clueless.

Powell: “We understand better how little we understand about inflation”

Please see Powell: “We understand better how little we understand about inflation”

  • Bloomberg Moderator to Powell: Paul Krugman said on Friday that the number one risk is the Fed could overdo it. Is that really possible?
  • Powell: “Is there a risk we would go too far? Certainly there’s a risk. The bigger mistake to make, let’s put it that way, would be to fail to restore price stability.”

While miracles are theoretically possible (e.g. Putin gets taken out and a new Russian leader wants peace), such miracles are highly unlikely at best. 

Give all the fog in the US, let alone the uncertainties in China and the EU, anyone who thinks they have a big grasp on what further damage Putin can do do supply chain disruptions is fooling themselves. 

Soft landing is out of the question, globally. Risks are hugely skewed to the downside, and it’s also best to discard these Powell-speak “softish” landing ideas as well.

Implications for the stock market are severe.

Addendum

I added some thoughts above on the silliness of an energy buyers’ cartel and also some changes based on reductions in supply as opposed to a complete shutoff.

One of my readers asked “Isn’t turning off the Gas his bargaining chip? Once he turns it off he’s lost it.”

My reply:

Reducing supply to the point of increased pain might meet Putin’s objective.

But don’t rule out “off”. Putin can go off for a week, getting the EU to beg for “on” then do it. 

Off is reversible – At Putin’s discretion.

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TheCaptain
TheCaptain
1 year ago
“Powell: “We understand better how little we understand about inflation”
This reminds me of the scene in Tomb Raider where the elitist Bryce tells Lara “my ignorance amuses me”.
jivefive98
jivefive98
1 year ago
Here is something not too foggy: I cant pay $1000 a month for natgas heat. Biden’s gang must understand this. Why is he so hellbent on sending our scarce no longer frakked natgas to Europe? Im very sorry the EU finds itself in this position, but how am I supposed to stay north of the Mason-Dixon at a dollar a therm???
radar
radar
1 year ago
“Total Global Recoverable Oil Reserves Are Falling At An Alarming Rate”
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  radar
Oil price (dot) com isn’t very reliable IMO. I used to follow that site, but I haven’t for some years. As for the article, I noticed that it didn’t mention Venezuela, or North American shale.
radar
radar
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
They were referencing this report, it wasn’t put out by oilprice – link to rystadenergy.com
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  radar
I will look again later. I might have overweighted my disdain for the site and failed to look closely enough.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Putin will not cut supply. Period.
Putin is a lawyer, and he will stick to legal obligations.
Everybody with a long-term contract will get getting their gas if not hindered by force majeure, as has always been the case.
However, few in the EU have contracted any gas. It is against neo-Liberal principles.
Putin is under no obligation to supply gas to the spot markets.
It is quite possible that he will not.
To speak of a shut-down is buying into the narrative frame.
Putin will stick to contracts. He has assiduously argued the legality of the current operation in Ukraine in terms of international law.
If Putin is taken out, Russia will likely declare war, not sue for peace.
That means a huge ramping up of the military effort and the means & methods deployed.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
Putin is not a lawyer. He is KGB and does not stick to legal obligations. He didn’t stick to The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is just one example among others.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
You are wrong. He has a law degree.
Russia regarded the 2014 coup to be in contravention of the Budapest Memorandum and the Friendship treaty.
To Russia, the current Ukrainian regime is unconstitutional, and Ukrainian sovereignty has been handed over to the US who vets and advises them on cabinet ministers and other officials. Not to mention trashing Minsk accords (UN resolution), genocide on Russians in Donetsk, and preemptive defense doctrine.
Zelenskiy talking nukes in early Feb was the last straw.
You might not agree with his reasoning, but it is based on argumentation of legal points.
In contrast, say, to the US ‘special operation’ in Somalia in May, for which there is absolutely no support in International Law.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
He was a KGB officer. He got his law degree in 1975 and then went into the KGB which is not known for following laws. His mentality is KGB, not respect for the law. Of course he would see any deviation as a threat and act according to what he wants and not by what the law says. He decides what he wants and finds justifications afterwards and sells it to those who want to believe him.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
The KGB doesn’t exist.
It was like the FBI, a law enforcement agency.
Currently everything has been reorganized, and the FSB is one of the law enforcement agencies that has come in its place.
People have interpretations of what’s going. For instance, many people have lost their confidence in the FBI and DOJ as impartial law enforcements agencies. It simply is not true that Putin and the FSB have no regard for law and international law. They are at pains to argue all kinds of points. Just because you disagree don’t respect laws.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
KGB law enforcement??? FSB took its place using the same people and the same organization and the same methods.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Your mind is stuck in the anti-Commie 1950’s propaganda following on beating fascism together, in which the Soviet Union suddenly went from friend to foe, good & evil.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
The counterargument would be that the sanctions, and especially the forced default, constitutes the abandonment of contract obligations, legal and moral, by “the West,” which is built on contracts and the trust and integrity upon which they rest. If I’m Putin, I’m not too sure if I’d feel obligated to play within constraints that “the West” has so unwisely, and even tragically, abandoned.

Really, the theft of Russia’s currency reserves is outrageous enough, but the forced default looks like one of those “crossing the Rubicon” moments. “The West” will come to sorely regret that mistake, whose dimensions can hardly be overstated.

JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
I look at the behavior of Russia, Ukraine, and the EU and realize how little has changed since Roman times. They’re still a collection of barbarian tribes that can’t go more than a couple decades before carving up someone, even themselves. When they’re not fighting, they’re lazy and self-deluded.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
….and to think that the US of A is undeniably the global champion, criminal warmonger of recent history, always in far away, none of your business places of course …..Just like the Roman empire more or less,… so don t congratulate yourself on bein a exemplary nation ….The US is 100% responsible for the Ukraine war while playing the civilized, decent, democracy loving party at the other side of the fn pond ….HYPOCRITE !
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
In 1000 years the Roman Empire never undertook a military campaign that was not presented as defensive.
American rhetoric follows in this tradition.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
Russia claims to be the third Rome and its head traditionally addressed as Czar which is a garbled form of Caesar. Russia and the US can’t both be the Roman Empire so which one is the real Rome? The US never claimed the Roman toga but Russia often has in its history.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
?Garbled.
Yes Russia considers itself the spiritual successor to Constantinople.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
And therefore on a sacred mission. We know the Russian narrative and mythology. Putin’s clique has been pushing the third Rome bid for years now.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
And the Americans have been pushing their exceptionalistan pax Americana sacred destiny light on the hill for generations, with no self-awareness, always destined to play the role of the good guy in a Western, regardless of any contrary facts about good intentions and self-interest and horrible outcomes. Millions of deaths are but a detail in the forward march of history!
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
The American Republic is even modelled on the Roman one.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
Really, what threat was tribal Britain to Rome?
jhrodd
jhrodd
1 year ago
Reply to  Scooot
I think his point is that the Roman military campaigns were “presented” as defensive as are all of our (USSA) military adventures.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  jhrodd
Yes. Obviously Rome was a fascist empire out for conquest, and yet they continued to present every campaign as pacific & defensive.
Mussolini’s fasci were borrowed from the Roman triumph parades and symbols of authority & power.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Jack Webb ! …. oh fck I hadn t noticed your name while commenting , shouldn t call you names , we tend to get along quite well …your comment kind of annoyed me …sorry
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Are you hitting on him?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
I can understand the annoyance. Maybe sometime I will unload about the critical American failings. But not on July 4 weekend. Trust me, if I do unload, my criticisms of my own country will peel paint.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Fair point, but it doesn’t change my mind.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Rome was gone when her enemies dissected her viaducts. When ARAMCO was confiscated Kissinger yield, because ARAMCO
produced oil for NATO. in 2022 Putin dissected Europe viaducts.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Try that again. It’s garbled.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
He is just pulling our legs. It’s a slow Sunday for him.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
^ Ah, read it again and got your point. I agree.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Don’t step on minefields attacking insulting people. Cool it down. Happy 4th.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Sponge bath racoon viaduck Microsoft quack Lavrov oil and gas.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Realist?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
It initially came across as shorthand, but I was wrong. Or maybe it’s more that I looked again and understood the shorthand. Either way, I apologize to you, and the apology is sincere. You’ve had a lot to say here. You’ve whiffed a couple of pitches and hit some foul balls, but don’t we all? The 4th is my favorite holiday. All across America, there will be local, handmade celebrations.
Mike 2112
Mike 2112
1 year ago
The Germans were absolute fools for abandoning nuke power and relying on Russia to keep the heat on during the cold Bavarian winters.
They are going to get a crash course in physics and reality when their pipes are freezing in their icebox homes.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike 2112
Like in Houston.
Mike 2112
Mike 2112
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Worse b/c Houston isnt an entire country.
Why the Germans would forget WW2 less than 100 yrs in the past is something I cant explain in any way except foolishness.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
The TX situation last year was limited, and was the result of idiosyncratic factors. It really doesn’t compare to what’s coming in Europe if Putin pulls the plug.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike 2112
….the Germans should have renewed gas contracts just like they have been doing for more than half a century instead of letting big criminal brother at 7000kms blackmail them into closing Nordstream II together with other utterly stupid and insane sanctions ….A textbook example , not exactly of shooting oneself in the foot, but blowing off one’s two legs….IDIOTS !
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
You know what? When they’re wrong, I don’t like it. But when they’re stupid, it’s far worse. The EU and the U.S. “leadership” has been stupid, and this American does not forgive that level of stupidity — ours or anyone else’s, including my own.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Disruptive Innovation developed safe mini nukes in China Gobi desert with gov support. Within a decade China will build dozens of safe minis in every region in the world. We are in the back of the line…
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
CA farmers feed US. CA farmers consume 80% of water. CA drought ==> no food for most of u.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Look at the figures. CA barely feeds itself. California produces 13.5% of the country’s agriculture output. Since California contains 12.5% of the country’s population the state does not “feed the USA”. I have heard several Californians quote this easily verifiable statistic as if true.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Doug 78 thanks. Bunge (BG) Woodland CA sold it’s mill to Farmers Rice cop that producing enough rice for all of us.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
An Iowa and Nebraska produce enough grain to feed all of us also. California’s top agricultural produce by value are nuts and fruits which somehow makes perfect sense to a non-Californian.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
We are blessed. We produce enough soybeans, wheat, rice, oil and natgas. We can produce most of the rare earth, but our gov influence by environmental activists, force producers to dump them and buy from China. Their half lives is billions of years, they hardly radiate, no harm is done.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Thank you for verifying.
I have always felt that California produced mostly fruits and nuts.
Especially San Francisco.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
You have forgotten all the soy produced for China and the corn for ethanol.
Perhaps you will start on a diet of soy beans and HFCS !
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
My IQ is 65.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
I concur.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Let me be more even handed. You wrote “no food for most of you.” That’s just absurd. Maybe just hyperbole? Yes, California grows a lot of food, but it’s the Great Plains and the Corn Belt that feed not just America, but the world. California’s agricultural produce is important, but is mainly supplementary. Not entirely, but that’s the reality. It’s why I told you that you didn’t know what you were talking about.
We can get along without almonds, avocados, lettuce, various fruits, and tomatoes if need be, and we can get our rice from Louisiana and Minnesota if we have to. But the food that sustains us? It doesn’t come from California. It comes from the wheat fields of Washington, Oregon, the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Colorado, and Texas. The potatoes come from the Dakotas and elsewhere. (The best potatoes and wheat from North Dakota.) The corn from Iowa, Missouri, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio. The soybeans from the Great Plains and Wisconsin, in particular.
They raise some cattle in California, but the vast majority comes from the vast fields between the Cacades and Sierras and the Mississippi River. Iowa raises more pork than any other state. Chickens and eggs come from outside of California. Oh, they raise some, but not much. The above only skims the surface. So no, California farmers at most help feed us. We wouldn’t want to lose them at all, but we’d survive just fine other than the complaining.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
I don’t know what I’m talking about either.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Look, I don’t write off California agriculture at all, but if California fed America, then America would be starving.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
California Globe: …the Public Policy Institute of California verified in 2019: “Water in California is shared across three main sectors. Statewide,
average water use is roughly 50% environmental, 40% agricultural, and 10% urban, although the percentage of water use by sector varies
dramatically across regions and between wet and dry years.”
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
Worth remembering that California is a natural drought-drench climate. The globull warning priests get all doom and gloom during the droughts, and then shut up during the drenches. The same is true in Texas.
hmk
hmk
1 year ago
One good solution to this dilemma is to have a peace settlement. Wonder why this option is not being considered? Perhaps the useless media may want to ask the the NEOCONS( basically all politicians) and the MIC. BTW Ukraine is the single largest contributor of political donations to US politicians. We still have the best government money can buy, and don’t think the billions in aid is lining the pockets of Zelensky et al the media darling. How pathetic.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  hmk
The worst thing is that Zelensky is killing his own people. His professional army is mostly dead or captured and now they are relying on conscripted canon-fodder. Meanwhile Russia hasn’t even bothered to fully mobilize. Without a negotiated settlement there is really only one way this ends – with a total, humiliating defeat for Ukraine and their NATO backers. Sadly, many people will die on both sides before we get to that point.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  hmk
The Ukrainians could have sat down to talk with the Russians on 23 February when Russia offered a ceasefire. Instead, they intensified the lobbing of shells on the peace-keepers who had come to Donetsk. Zelenskiy ran on pursuing peace, but is obviously running on daily instructions and $$ from the USA. All the talk of Ukrainian sovereignty is laughable … it is about as sovereign as was Ashraf Ghani, or Ngo Dinh Diem, or Karzai, who was a SoCol executive.
Ask people in the Ukraine whether they think it is worth sacrificing hundreds of thousands of lads for a lost cause: taking on Russia.
vboring
vboring
1 year ago

Germany’s Green party couldn’t have done a better job of setting this up for Putin.Closing nuclear and coal plants and adding renewables means Germany is dependent on imports for most energy. Controlling gas and electric flows can be done with attacks that don’t look like attacks.The US is a little better. But there’s thousands of miles of unprotected gas and electric infrastructure across the country. Texas supplies California’s gas, Washington and Arizona supplies much of their electricity. Similar situations exist across the country. Every coal and nuclear plant closure increases exposure.

prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Now that Russia has pretty much won the war in Ukraine I doubt there’s much incentive for them to cut off gas supplies. NATO and the EU have been roundly humiliated and shown to be both impotent and incompetent.
Wherever did the good world leaders go?
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
Russia dissected Ukraine into two pcs since Kherson, four months go. Putin didn’t show the BBC or CNN his top secret maps. If Nordstream 1 restart with below 50% capacity Germany might crack NATO six months after peaking in Madrid Summit. If not, inflation will destroy Europe.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Russia Admits It’s Running Out of Weapons in Ukraine War
7/01/22
For the first time, Russia has admitted that it is running out of weapons in the Ukraine war, after President Vladimir Putin’s government created a draft federal law that would allow the country to quickly repair weapons and military equipment.
On Thursday evening, the Kremlin submitted a bill to the State Duma on “special economic measures” for “counterterrorist and other operations” outside of Russia.
An explanatory note attached to the bill said that there is, particularly amid Putin’s war against Ukraine, “a short-term increased need for the repair of weapons and military equipment.”
The bill proposed, among other measures, “the implementation of material assets from state reserves” and “the temporary activation of mobilization capacities and facilities,” as well as overtime work in “individual organizations.”
….
whirlaway
whirlaway
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
LOL. This ‘Russia is running out of …’ thingy is a recurring scheme going on for months! The warmongering Western media will keep at it as long as there are idiots who consume that crap.
  • Is Russia Running Out of Money? – Apr 26, 2022 – Trustnodes
  • Russia needs to sell oil. It’s running out of options – May 9, 2022 – CNN Business
  • Russia running out of weapons, can be defeated by Ukraine – UK Secretary – May 9, 2022 – Daily Trust
  • ‘Russia is running out of manpower’ and Putin may have to shrink his war aims more: national security analyst – May 16, 2022 – Raw Story
  • Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is running out of steam, again – May 16, 2022 – Economiest
  • Vladimir Putin is running out of options to avoid defeat in Ukraine – May 17, 2022 – Atlantic Council
  • Crippled Russia running out of weapons as embarrassing war ending looms ‘Shockingly inept’ – May 21, 2022 – Express
  • Russia ‘running out of ideas in 3-month-old war. Can Ukraine win? – May 24, 2022 – Global News
  • The Russian Army Is Running Out Of Tanks For The War In Ukraine. These 60-Year-Old T-62s Are Proof. – May 25, 2022 – Forbes
  • Russia sanctions: Now the country is also running out of chips – Jun 2, 2022 – Basic Tutorials
  • Russia running out of troops and equipment as ‘catastrophic’ war hits 100 days – experts – Jun 3, 2022 – Daily Star
  • Time is running out for Russia, German economy minister says – Jun 2, 2022 – Reuters
  • Vladimir Putin running out of soldiers as catastrophic Ukraine invasion hits 100 days – Jun 4, 2022 – Mirror
  • Russian Army Running Out Of Ammo, But War To Continue For ‘Long Time’: Western Officials – Jun 22, 2022 – IBT
  • Russian Army Could Soon Run out of Weapons and Troops: Boris Johnson – Jun 22, 2022 – Newsweek
  • Russia will soon exhaust its combat capabilities, Western assessments predict – June 25, 2022 – Washington Post
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Russia’s Economy is Collapsing, Data Reveals
6/30/22 AT 7:34 AM EDT
If Russia defaulting on its foreign debt for the first time since the Bolshevik revolution wasn’t a clear enough sign of the impact Western sanctions are having on the Russian economy, a new report on the country’s socio-economic situation leaves no margin for doubt that the Russian economy is gradually collapsing.
New statistics on the state of the Russian economy, produced by the country’s Federal State Statistics Service, show production has plunged in multiple sectors, from vehicles to domestic appliances, as has retail confidence.
….
whirlaway
whirlaway
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo

The bogus “default on foreign debt” is a clear sign to all countries that they would be locked out of any dollars they keep with the US if they don’t kowtow to US imperialism. But we got a Fed to print all the money that we need, so there is no need to worry. Right??!!

prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
Everyone paying attention is well aware that Russia didn’t default on its debt. There was a huge campaign using sanctions to prevent them paying coupons to bondholders.
whirlaway
whirlaway
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
But the Dumbocrat warmongering bozos keep insisting that it doesn’t matter why or how it happened! Well, it does matter. If a bank says that a customer cannot make a mortgage payment by withdrawing on their savings account, the other account holders in the bank will take note of that.
Jackula
Jackula
1 year ago
So far Putin has taken measured responses to the various sanctions, weapons deliveries, asset confiscations, and failures to negotiate fairly. Doubt this policy will change. Poke the bear some more and we will have $380 per barrel oil.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  Jackula
The contrast between Putin and our own leaders is quite astonishing. Putin keeps on quietly achieving his objectives by making cold, hard calculations and cleverly adjusting his strategy as events unfold, while our leaders panic and bluster and make a whole series of stupid, self-destructive and dangerous decisions. Putin is shining a bright light on the sheer incompetence of today’s Western leadership.
I dislike Putin’s ruthlessness, but I sure do admire his enormous balls.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
That fella is going to serve revenge at the temperature of dry ice.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
NATO don’t really matter. Putin is doing us a favor. He gave us a warning shot : life without natgas and oil. Natgas and oil are too expensive for consumers, like 14K gold, but not high enough to extract, because the easy to extract is gone. We got only one or two decades to find good substitutions. Otherwise there will not be enough water, food and energy for 10 billions people on this planet. Slaves will make a comeback.
Dr_Novaxx
Dr_Novaxx
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
This is such baloney. How do you know there’s not enough resources for 10 billion people? Thomas Malthus said the same thing back in 1795, when there were 90% fewer people, because he didn’t account for technological innovations. The truth is there’s plenty of room and resources for many more people on earth. Also oil & natgas are cheap and easy to use now, thanks again to technology.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  Dr_Novaxx
The world was spared from Malthus spell thanks to Dr Fritz Haber. We running out of water, affordable energy and food. Fritz Haber
lab produced Zyklon B.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Ah, Fritz, the Jewish inventor. Quite the irony there. His wife killed herself over the guilt.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Over guilt or gelt?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Definitely guilt. It’s really quite a story.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
The Fritz Haber story is rich with irony, that’s for sure! Did you know that his wife killed herself over the guilt?
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  Dr_Novaxx
Wall street bankers love RE. Land leases value went up vertically when oil service co extracted 6 – 8 layers of oil under each acre
instead of one. SLB efficiency was rewarded. SLB peaked in mid 2014 at 120. It’s now 35. The war against coal expanded to natgas and oil.
Too late.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Please tell me that you are not one of those idiots who thinks the water will run out. This is an I.Q. test, and I am hoping that you pass it.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
The problem with water is getting it to where it is needed. Plenty of places suffering drought while others are flooded.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Oddly enough, the Romans thought about that. So did California.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Because water is so essential to life. Not having enough leads to disaster.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Every time an earthquake, a forest fire, a drought, or a gang of politically favored criminals hits California, an angel gets its wings. By the way, the “U.S. Drought Monitor” is a fraud.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Toot toot! Kook alert!
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) is a fraud?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
The drought monitor is a fraud, but so are your political heroes and Joe Biden’s crackhead son and addict daughter.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Why is the drought monitor a fraud? And more importantly, how do you know this? Where is your proof?
Following that; are all weather reports fraud?
How about traffic reports?
Anon1970
Anon1970
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Israel solved its water shortage with desalination plants. Unfortunately, environmentalists have blocked construction of similar plants in California, most of whose population lives within about 50 miles of the Pacific Ocean.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Anon1970
There is nothing environmental about today’s environmentalists.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Go to CA
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Jack, go to Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lake Baikal, Egypt, E. Africa…
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
What is your point, that fresh water is unevenly distributed? Let me tell you a secret, but please do not pass it along: I already knew that. LOL
Fish1
Fish1
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Finding substitutes for those obsolete fuels is imperative, for everyone. Electricity is front and center which means nuclear. We have to get this done. I worry that our current, addled leadership, on all sides is not up to it. Where are the 40-50 Year olds that that still have the gray matter for the task?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Fish1
There is nothing “obsolete” about hydrocarbons, except to the devotees of the globull warming religion.
Fish1
Fish1
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Global warming is a hoax? Ok…
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Fish1
It’s a religion.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Life without coal, oil and natural gas is no life. I think we are learning that now.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
1 year ago
Can Putin just cut off the spigot? I’m thinking about recently when the price of some oil went negative. The idea was it’s not real easy, nor a good thing, to shut off oil wells. And oil, if unused, must be stored somewhere. And oil storage tanks don’t grow on trees.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
That’s indeed a very big issue from what I have read. One thing the Russkies could do in the short run is not shut down the wells, and flare off the natural gas — big flares all over the place, to rub it in — and see if they can store the oil in caves. Can they replicate the SPR? I really don’t know. Just throwing it out there. Can crude oil be flared off? Wouldn’t that be something?

People would say, truthfully, what a waste. Putin would surely agree. If I were him, my answer would be this: “If I can’t be paid in funds I can use, I’ll burn it before I let a single drop run your vehicles. You wanted to destroy my country? Two can play that game. Let’s find out just whose people are more resilient, yours or ours.”

Dr_Novaxx
Dr_Novaxx
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Crude could be burned off, I wouldn’t call it flaring. Think of what Saddam Hussein did in Kuwait, he set many of the oil wells on fire, and it created thick black clouds — Putin will not do that. I think he’ll just sell the oil on the cheap to others like China, India, etc. Otherwise yes the gas would likely just be flared off.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Dr_Novaxx
I wrote “flaring,” but don’t take it literally. Yes, Putin’s selling a bunch to India and China. Is it all of Russia’s production? I honestly don’t know. It would be one hell of a psyop to burn oil and flare off natural gas next January, which I might note is only six months away. If I were Putin, my rage would be building. I would be very eager to rub it in.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
It would be worth doing just to watch Green heads exploding. Guardian writers would have some kind of seizure.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  prumbly
The Guardian would be the least of it. I don’t think the dire reality has begun to sink in. Europe still doesn’t realize that Putin’s got his fist wrapped around its collective scrotum. Give it 5 months, and they’ll be begging in a soprano chorus.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
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effendi
effendi
1 year ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
Do they need to actually shut the wells (gas and/or oil). What about throttling back output by 10 to 90%? Does such throttling do any long term damage to the well bores or heads or transmission pipes?
They could even claim they are being responsible and doing it to extend the service life of parts that are currently sanctioned ( much like they have reduced gas flows due to gear stuck in Canada).
And with reduced flows they can sell firstly to favoured (friendly) customers and the remainder at a high price on the open market. With catastrophe awaiting those running out of gas mid winter will the unity of the EU hold or will it be beggar thy neighbour and let them have the blackouts and possible mass deaths during a cold snap?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  effendi
I think the long-term effect on the oil & gas fields is a major constraint on shutting it all down, even temporarily. I think they’d have to keep some of the output flowing, just to keep the wells in shape. But that’s really a guess based on some reading. The second half of ’22 could be quite interesting, as in the Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times.
MisterE
MisterE
1 year ago
Simple ways anyone can reduce fossil fuel consumption is to eat plants instead of animals, drive a small vehicle, and air seal and insulate a small home.
Honda and Toyota both stopped selling their excellent subcompacts in America during the past several years. This is proof that Americans, including those who claim to care, don’t really care about reducing energy usage.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  MisterE
I don’t care. And take your vegan horseshit and shove it where the sun don’t shine. Not to put too fine a point on it, Mr. Gore.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  MisterE
Also stay home and don’t go anywhere. Lie on bed and watch TV. Only get up for kitchen and bathroom. Don’t take baths it uses too much water. Only flush for the brown stuff.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
“So you think Russia is nothing but a gas tank masquerading as a country?” Putin said. “Hold my vodka a second.”
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Barak 8 missiles shot down 3 Hezbollah drones attacking a Israeli natgas rig near Lebanon, after an Israeli attack on Tartous, a Russian navy base.
Lebanon depression cont. Lebanon only hope is to extract natgas in what they consider their territory, sucked by Israel. Amos Hochstein US envoy try to find a compromise before Biden victory lap to the area….
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
The first Gulf War started with sideways drilling from Kuwait into Iraq’s oil fields. Saddam was angry about it. The U.S. ambassador gave implicit assurances that the U.S. would not oppose an invasion of Kuwait. It was a dirty trick, but Saddam was a complete moron to have fallen for it.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
1 year ago
Putin’s blunder would be convincing Europe to build new nuclear power plants instead of buying his energy products.
jhrodd
jhrodd
1 year ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
Yep. That would teach him a lesson! link to cnbc.com
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  jhrodd
The United States is about to learn that scissors (software) doesn’t cut rock (commodities.) This country’s “leaders,” starting with Walter Wriston in the 1970s, sold a real bill of goods when they told us, in essence, that things are passe. Oops.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  jhrodd
The title of the article is misleading. If you actually read it is says that mining the uranium is not a problem, building new reactors is not a problem, repairing Russian-built reactors is not a problem and that uranium conversion takes place in several other countries so it is not a problem either. Nuclear is unique as an electricity source in that the fuel needed to power a plant for a year can fit easily into one airplane. Can’t do that for oil, gas or coal and it simplifies the supply chain problem considerably.
effendi
effendi
1 year ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
It would take a decade to build some nuclear plants, or 2 decades to build the many that are needed. That’s assuming that the greenies and watermelons and Dink Nimbies don’t delay everything for decades in legal red tape, environmental studies, public consultations, protests etc etc like they do for everything.
In the meantime Russia will make bank. They might even build the nuclear plants as they have the expertise (Russians currently building a nuclear plant for Egypt worth 25 billion, how much more would they make doing the same in places like Serbia or Turkey to sell power to the EU).
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Putin wants to crack NATO. If Germany wave a white flag, Europe inflation will drop to 5%-6%. If not, it might pop to 20%-30%. Madam
ECB negative 0.50 deposit rate to save zombie states and banks will be forced to raise rates with 20%-30% inflation. Scholz options :
stab US in the back to survive, or an European calamity.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
I think it’s beyond stupid for Russky v Uke to be a NATO catalyst. Damn close to European suicide.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
I start by repeating that, on the Russky v Uke contratemps, I am neutral. I regard this as a fight between two cancer patients over the morphine. Russia will “win” IMO, but it’ll be a Pyrhhic victory. That said, if I were Putin, I think I’d cut off not just the gas but the oil. Really, why not, given that “the West” won’t let me use whatever currency they purport to exchange for my commodities.
The EU and U.S. have stolen Russia’s currency reserves, and have quite explicitly declared their intention to ruin Russia’s economy and make them beg. If I’m Putin, I ask myself: What do I have to lose? I can sell my commodities to “the world,” most of which couldn’t care less about “the West’s” crusade to begin with, and have to be very nervous about the long-term implications. I would do everything possible to source vital goods from elsewhere, and transact in anything other than dollars. I offer a discount? Fine. Price-wise it’s no worse, and in fact remains better, than it was six months ago.
If I’m Putin, I will say to my advisors, who are no dummies: “Why don’t we return that serve by cutting it all off?”
J.P. Morgan Chase speculated yesterday or the day before that a Russian oil cutoff might drive the price to $380. If I’m Putin, I’d want to use this as an opportunity to create a parallel oil market characterized by bilateral and/or multilateral trade agreements that exclude the dollar, and cut off all G-7 members from my hydrocarbons at any price. Obviously, that’s a shallow view, subject to all manner of necessary calculations and considerations, and which might be a non-starter for reasons that I, Jack Webb, cannot know.
Still, if I am Putin, I would be itching to teach a very hard lesson to they who thought they’d make the ruble into rubble, and conquer my people, my country, my history, and my culture. William Jennings Bryan declared in 1896 that America shall not be crucified on a cross of gold. If I’m Putin, I’d want to declare that Russia shall not be crucified on a cross of oil and natural gas — and then make it stick.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
China wouldn’t be very happy, their main customer base would be skint. Still, who knows.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Scooot
I think Europe is on the brink of epic, long-term suicidal disaster.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Not looking good is it.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Scooot
I don’t recall who posted the link below. If it was you, I apologize for the redundancy. If you haven’t read it, I recommend it. Don’t imagine that I agree with all of it, but it is very, very sobering. Long in the German tradition of thoroughness, and worth the time. The final paragraph is chilling, and supported by the rest of the article. Germany is in big, big trouble, and that means that the rest of Europe is in big, big trouble.

link to spiegel.de

Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
RobbuRob already posted that article right at the beginning. You are late. Good article though.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Thanks for posting, I’d missed it.
Diversification is one of the most important risk mitigators in investment. Eggs and baskets and all that, common sense really, but alas Germany gambled. Interesting to read how it happened.
As an aside, one of my friends has a Polish wife, she warned me how dangerous Putin is several years ago. Little did I know how right she’d turn out to be. He has an advantage as he can plan for the long haul, unlike our politicians who don’t think any further than the next vote.
Germany is the mainstay of the EU, they’re not going to be able to afford to bail out the southern EU countries anymore. I wonder how much longer the Euro will survive. Despite the UK continuing to get a bad press about Brexit, on balance I’m still glad we left, even though we also have serious problems.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Putin et al have been gaming their options and all possible scenario’s for years. They’ve been working on advanced assymetrical strategic weapons since 2007 in preparation. Unlike the EU, which is committing suicide, hair on fire. Still thinks it is in the driver’s seat of world history, inherent superiority and destiny and all.
Putin will not cut supply. Period.
Putin is a lawyer, and he will stick to legal obligations.
Everybody with a long-term contract will be getting their gas if not hindered by force majeure, as has always been the case.
However, few in the EU have contracted any gas. It is against neo-Liberal principles.
Putin is under no obligation to supply gas to the spot markets.
It is quite possible that he will not.
To speak of a shut-down is buying into the narrative frame.
Putin will stick to contracts. He has assiduously argued the legality of the current operation in Ukraine in terms of international law.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
I answered your other post along these lines. All we can do is speculate. I’m not as certain as you are. We shall see!
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
One of the considerations Putin gave in February is that the sanctions were inevitable regardless, so there was no reason to make any attempt to avoid them. Russians have been convinced that NATO and Americans cannot be trusted in any regard, and that their agenda will be enacted regardless of anything Russia does, barring force, the only language they understand.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Q@A on “Off”
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Do it! It’s called cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Isn’t turning off the Gas his bargaining chip? Once he turns it off he’s lost it.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  Scooot
Does not have to be “off”
Reducing supply to the point of increased pain.
But don’t rule out “off” He can go off for a week, getting the EU to beg for “on” then do it.
Off is not permanent – at least until Russia has China as a guaranteed buyer.
So off does not mean “he’s lost it”.
Off is reversible – At Putin’s discretion
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
In the abstract, just shut it all off, and not for a week. But there are practical considerations. I noticed the other day that a big oil service operator is based in Saudi Arabia, and is imminently going to become a standalone corporation. From what I’ve read, the big issue for Russia is the difficulty of restarting extraction. If Russia can get around that …
Cirocco
Cirocco
1 year ago
EU is in a terrible situation thanks to how it approached the Russia Ukraine war. What happens when on top of economic issues, refugees from Middle East and North Africa start pouring in, thanks to the political unrest caused by inflation/lack of wheat exports?
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Cirocco
Would it have been better if they simply went to war with Russia?
Or would it have been better if they let Putin take over several countries with no opposition at all? Poland? Finland?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
The solution was crystal clear in February. Hell, even Senile Joe said so when he blessed a Russian neutralization of eastern Ukraine until the warmongering idiots yammered. Give Russia suzerainty over that territory along the lines of the post-WW2 agreement with Austria, and accept the fait accompli in Crimea. This will happen anyway.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
You’re on crack if you think Putin would have stopped there.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
“Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it.”

– Hunter Biden

Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
So you are on crack?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
That would be you and Hunter. Maybe even the Hildebeast. LOL
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Post WWII agreement? You mean the Balitics. Poland, Hungary, former Checksovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, former Yugoslavia, East Germany and Austria too? Would Putin be satisfied with that? Stalin was and that’s his hero.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Finland seceded from the Soviet Union, and they let them go, since every state had the right.
The Warsaw Pact was their answer to NATO.
Russia has no interest in occupying any of those countries, just as they didn’t stick around in Paris or Austria after Napolean.
As long as those countries do not host NATO bases, Amerikanski troops and missiles, nothing will happen.
Think of the American reaction if China and Russia were building bases in Mexico & Canada, co-opting cabinet ministers there, and placing rockets that could hit Washington in minutes.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
It is obvious that the EU must help Ukraine defend itself until every last Ukrainian is dead.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Logically Putin will not cut off the gas. Logically Putin should not have invaded Ukraine either so our idea of logic is not Putin’s. One thing is sure and that is Europe is phasing out Russian oil and gas and that soon there will be no more Western cash flowing into Russia’s coffers for energy. If Putin cuts off the gas now he forgoes maybe a couple of years of profit. That might not be enough for him to as worthwhile. If he cuts now at least he will weaken Germany. It will go into a deeper recession and then come out of it with increased animosity towards Russia. What would be Putin’s main motivation. If it is to make as much money before the ax falls then he keeps it open. If he wants to punish Germany he cuts the gas now. In any case vis a vis Germany there is no winning strategy for Putin or at least none that he can put into motion. Looking at Putin’s ability to make judgements I would guess that he will keep the gas in the pipes flowing but at a much reduced level thereby angering the Germans while allowing them to still keep their industry open. The worst of both worlds for him.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Putin should sell as much as he possibly can now because Russian production is going to decline without western companies helping him maintain production in the future. The only question will be how slow or how fast the decline happens.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
“One thing is sure and that is Europe is phasing out Russian oil and gas and that soon there will be no more Western cash flowing into Russia’s coffers for energy.”
Soon? How Soon?
Soon is years away unless you can tell me how quickly the EU can ramp up alternate sources. Then please tell us the price!
You are thinking of “soon” 180 degrees backward.
Here is the right idea:
Q: How soon can Russia stop depending on the EU as a buyer of its energy?
A: As soon as Russia can build pipelines to India and/or China
When that happens, Putin can totally shut off all supply to Europe.
Russia, China agree 30-year gas deal via new pipeline, to settle in euros
Under plans previously drawn up, Russia aimed to supply China with 38 bcm of gas by pipeline by 2025.
The new deal, which coincided with a visit by Russian President Vladimir Putin to the Beijing Winter Olympics, would add a further 10 bcm, increasing Russian pipeline sales under long-term contracts to China.
Russian gas from its Far East island of Sakhalin will be transported via pipeline across the Japan Sea to northeast China’s Heilongjiang province, reaching up to 10 bcm a year around 2026, said the Beijing source, who asked not to be identified.
Soon Definition
By 2025
And if so, that’s when Putin can easily shut off all supply to the EU
Meanwhile, will the EU be ready?
How so?
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish

“Soon, how soon?”
Right away if Putin cuts the gas. Otherwise there will be a gradual decrease depending on how well the replacement goes. Perhaps three years or less.

Pipelines to India??? Over the Himalayas or by the Caspian sea then by pipe over Iran ( who has gas as well) then by sea again to get to India? That would be very expensive.

The pipeline through Mongolia (China insists on that route) will take years more than 2025. They are not yet building anything and the only contracts signed is one given to Mongolian.companies to survey land site possibilities. That is all. There is no warp drive effort to build the pipeline. The link you gave dates from Feb 2 so it is out of date.

Gas from Sakhalin depended heavily on the western oil services companies because the gas is difficult to extract. They supplied the expertise and the spare parts. Without them the gas pumping diminishes. By the way Russia just nationalized the parts of the operation own by foreign companies.

Russia sold around 180 bcm to Europe in a normal year. The pipeline to China will be for 38 bcm plus the 10 bcm from Sakhalin. That adds to 48 bcm only. Additionally since Russia is distressed seller China will pay less than Europe did. A bit over a quarter of the volume plus a lower price means that Russia will make much less selling to China than to Europe and is assuming it will get built which it might not. China having seen the Russian cut off Europe will probably conclude that Russia might do the same to them one day.
Will the EU be ready? The EU has no choice so they will make do with the shortages and work hard to overcome them. Crawling back to Russia is not an option.
effendi
effendi
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Crawling back to Russia is an option for Germany.
If the Ukraine war ends in a few months (Ukraine collapse, negotiated peace, Putin heart attack, whatever) then the main reason to sanction Russia is gone. Yes it still leaves a sour taste and yes there will be long term steps to reduce dependence on Russia. But in the meantime a few million Germans will be unemployed without the Russian gas and all the EU will be in a deep recession with the most desperate of them being sanctions busters. So why would Germany not find some fig leaf excuse to claim that they are ending sanctions to finance rebuilding Ukraine ( maybe a little levy on imported fuels to pay for humanitarian aid to Ukraine, whatever bull that the public will swallow and claim those opposing it want the Ukrainians to suffer).
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  effendi
You are clutching at straws if you expect that all will go back to what it once was. As the saying goes “Trust arrives on foot but leaves on horseback”.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  effendi
I am sure that Putin thinks that will happen but what if he is wrong? He has been wrong on a lot of things so why not wrong on this too? It is key for the future of Russia and what if by his actions ruined that future?
Mish
Mish
1 year ago

Addendum

I added some thoughts above on the silliness of an energy buyers’ cartel and also some changes based on reductions in supply as opposed to a complete shutoff.

Mish
Mish
1 year ago
I also meant to address the Buyer’s Cartel nonsense.
Added a paragraph on that as well.
Mish
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
I actually meant to say this but failed to do so.
Thanks to TexasTime for pointing it out
I added these paragraphs

It’s important to note that a huge decrease in supply as opposed to a total cutoff would cripple the EU while keeping money flowing to Russia. That’s more likely than a total shutoff.

These outcomes are all in the hands of Putin. The EU has no control of supply, it is a buyer not a seller of energy.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
I’m not sure Putin ever cuts off the gas to Germany or the EU. I don’t see how it benefits Russia in any way.
First, if they cut off the gas, they stop making money and he needs money to continue the war effort and fund the Russian economy.
Second, if they cut off the gas they Russia is defacto escalating the conflict from Ukraine to the rest of Europe when Putin has said it’s a Ukraine only operation so as long as Russia does ‘business as usual’ elsewhere he can continue that claim.
Third, if they cut off the gas, it’s highly unlikely Europe would ever buy again in the future (even 5 or 10 years down the line) where if they keep supplying gas then Russia can go back to normal business wise after things in the Ukraine wind up.
If you were playing a strategy game, from a long term point of view, you’d never cut off the gas.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
It can be a huge slowdown in supply as opposed to a total cutoff.
Same thing accomplished
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
TT – Off is reversible
Putin can go “off” for a week, getting the EU to beg for “on” then do it.
Off is not permanent – at least until Russia has China as a guaranteed buyer.
So off does not mean “he’s lost it”.
Off is reversible – At Putin’s discretion
John k
John k
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Virtually everything Russia wants to buy from the west is sanctioned by us/eu. What do they need $ for?
Granted their tourists need a few euros for their Turkish holidays. This need is met by their open market op, where energy buyers pay euros to Russian bank, which then converts euros to roubles for payment. The bank then offers the euros to the local market. The demand for euros from locals has declined, so they reduce their bids which is why the rouble is at a 6-yr high.
The state has limited need for foreign currency, otherwise they would hog the incoming euros. The war is funded with roubles, not $.
When to cut the gas to 0 is not dependent on the need for western currency but on what is determined to be russias best long term interest. As time goes on they strengthen ties with other BRICS, and likely see lessening need to trade with the west. Shutoff likely means depression in eu, and may force Germany to exit nato… but never good for neighbor to be in depression. Putin waited 8 years to recognize the Donbas republics after telling them to not declare independence. But putin and large part of pop see nato expansion as existential and, though very reluctant, he acted. Note that the Donbas reps asked for help, so situation quite similar to us bombing Serbia to ‘liberate’ Kosovo from Serbia… but our wars have been far away, not existential to us.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  John k
BINGO! What a great comment!
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  John k
And it’s not just gas, it’s oil too.
Oil blends are not fungible. You need to get it to refineries, refineries that can process it.
Europe is headed for trouble on the oil front as well if they don’t do a gradual, years long transition.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
How about oil at $380?
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Highly doubtful
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
I agree. I doubt Russian oil will be cut back that much. It’s an interesting call by JP Morgan.
I am expecting WTI oil to average over $100/bbl this year. With occasional bursts over $120, and then dips back towards $100. Allowing me to continue trading oil stocks on the ups and downs.
NA Natgas prices will remain constrained by the Freeport LNG closure. Though I expect European prices to stay high for the same reason.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Another possibility is that the oil market ceases to be a world market operating under the U.S.-led “rules based order” going back to 1945, and becomes a series of bilateral and/or multilateral trade deals. Obviously, that can’t happen right away, but given some other distinct trends out there, it’s a possibility that few are considering.
Take oil out of the trade system as we’ve known it for almost 80 years, and it would be a magnitude 10 earthquake and a supervolcano, combined. The details are way above my pay grade, and there are probably show-stoppers. But given what “the West” is trying to do to Russia, and the implications for the BRICs, this could be a real catalyst.
radar
radar
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Maybe as a temporary shock, but not a sustained price.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  radar
I doubt it will get there at all. It was a worst case call by JPM that I referenced.
Personally, I expect a range of $100-$130 for the rest of this year. Which is great for every oil stock I own.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Jamie Dimon suggested $175 when he talked about all of this a few weeks ago.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Yes he did. Lots of folks have talked about prices in the high $100s. Many think it will take over $150 to cause demand destruction. But that is over here. I’m sure that some countries are already being forced to cut back.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Oil price forecasts are some of the least reliable forecasts out there, with the exception of economists’ economic forecasts. LOL
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Lots of variables. Lots of volatility. From negative to over $100 in 2 years. Oil companies had borrowed huge to expand production and got caught when the pandemic hit.
Inventories shot up during the pandemic, and traders got caught with oil no one needed. Hence the negative price.
Since then inventories have been going down and are still going down. And prices have gone up dramatically.
But this time oil companies are not spending on capex and production is not expanding. So they won’t get caught again.
The only way to balance supply and demand this time will be demand destruction from high prices. We aren’t there yet in the US.
Its going to be a bonanza for the oil companies.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I look at the oil companies and start thinking of Atlas Shrugged, even though the book made me laugh. Not at the philosophy, but the underlying 1950s-era BDSM angle. Oh so restrained, accent on restraint. I kept imagining Dagny (that was her name, or have I confused it with The Fountainhead, not to be confused with The Maidenhead), on her knees, shining some guy’s boots for a crumb of gold. Sadly, there were no pictures in my copy of the book. LOL

Kill me now. I’m a reader. LOL

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Papa, I’m always happy to hear you tell us how well you are doing. Mazel tov.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Is this one of these extrapolation predictions that always, always come when oil goes up fast? The last time it dropped quickly – did anyone predict the price would go negative?
Ha, ha, “JP Morgan”s name is Natasha Kaneva. You gotta wonder what her partner, Boris, is predicting.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
Beats me. It takes a wide variety of opinions to make a market.
All I know is that US and worldwide oil inventories keep dropping week after week so far this year. Which continues to put upward pressure on prices.
I am looking forward to seeing second quarter results from many oil companies that I have shares in. Free cash flow is going to be sensational at these prices. And the stocks are still trading as if oil was $55.
Robbyrob
Robbyrob
1 year ago
The Anatomy of Germany’s Reliance on Russian Natural Gas link to spiegel.de
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Robbyrob
A good accurate rundown.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Robbyrob
“Green energy” was always going to be a supplement. Anyone not captured by globull warming religion saw it quite a while ago. My favorite example is all that money the Krauts wasted on solar panels. Didn’t any of those historically brilliant engineers ever look at things like latitude and cloud cover? Sheesh.
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  Robbyrob
The article is full of a lot of historical details, none of which help support the burden of proof for the slant on all the facts.
  • The most important word is near the end: “massive de-industrialization”
    So correcting the ‘mistakes of the past’ are bringing massive de-industrialization now, instead of decades ago!
  • The meme about Russia not being reliable is bogus: all the examples cited (Ukraine 2006/2009, Moldova, Lithuania, Estonia) revolve around payment and price .. Russia has delivered gas to friendly countries (including Ukraine) for less than the EU price, in line with historical tradition. They have never threatened to cut off the gas and have never tried to arm-wrestle German policy with their gas.
  • Instead of relying on Russia, they will rely on Washington, who has never sanctioned Western Europe or frozen another sovereign’s foreign reserves /sarc. Washington continually interferes in other countries’ politics and threatens sanctions at the drop of a hat. (My country is forbidden by the US to export to China on US natsec grounds, how’s that for sovereignty).
  • The article makes it sound like Germany capitulated to pedestrian economic considerations (actually neo-Liberalism, exported by the US&UK everywhere by global institutions controlled by Washington), forgetting that the economy=energy. All countries depend on raw inputs from others, especially countries like Germany or Japan without any primary energy inputs. But the same applies to scores of other commodities, including metals, as well as manufactures, such as chips. Interdependence is not some weakness, it is what the economy & world trade are based upon: this is not addiction; it is called economic cooperation and coordination.
  • What the article fails to mention is that it is not Russia using gas as a weapon, but it is Germany trying to use money as a weapon. Germany could turn on NS2 tomorrow, get NS1 going again, sign a long-term contract at bargain basement prices, end of problem, reliable competitive gas. Germany will not be competitive and will see its standard of living plummet.
  • If Germany were not occupied, but sovereign, they could have vetoed the eastward expansion of NATO, they could have forced the Ukraine to abide Minsk 2, they could have refused the recognition of the right-wing coup regime in power in Ukraine today. And then none of the subsequent problems would have arisen.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
Great critique!

One question occurs to me. You assume that Germany has no free agency, and says “How high” whenever Washington says “Jump!” What I wonder is to what degree the response to the Russia-Ukraine situation, and things that preceded it, was dictated from afar. The reality has been that Europe has prospered under the American nuclear umbrella, and American willingness to give favorable trade terms to its partners and clients. This has created dependency, and dependency breeds resentment and a feeling of helplessness and even victimization.

Along those lines, do you think that NATO’s expansion was solely a U.S.-dictated development? Not really arguing the point, but asking what you think, and why.

Finally, I agree strongly that it’s not Russia who’s been unreliable but rather “the West” that has exaggerated the efficacy of its wealth as a direct weapon. Very, very foolish to me.

Webej
Webej
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
The ruling class in Europe tend to make decisions quite at odds with majority opinion. As in the US, where they decided to rescued the banks in 2008 even though millions of messages to congress members went 99% the other way. Or starting a war in Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, Libya … few rank and file Americans think it’s worth shedding blood, or that these far off places represent a threat to American freedoms. The EU is run by the European Commission, which is not elected, and not democratically accountable. Ursula vd Lugen purports to speak for the people, but she is completely unelected. Few Europeans think it’s worth destroying the economy, getting rid of their car, and going back to unheated houses.
I am assuming, like in the game of Risk, agents behave in their own self-interest … suicide and maniacs means all bets are off.
The German business community, faulted in this article for their addiction, is obviously the most realistic, but have been gaslighted by the Govt-Military-Media complex, and is afraid of being canceled if they speak up. They represent a voice of realism, at least in regards to some aspects of the social economy. In the Netherlands they asked in a referendum (2016) about Ukrainian membership in the EU, the response was NO, but everything went ahead all the same, just as with the No votes in the Netherlands, France, and Ireland about the Maastricht Treaty (EU constitution). In the end Europe always goes along with NATO/USA, regardless the opinion of citizens. Exactly how the US pressures politicians to fall in line we don’t know in detail, but it basically always happens. The Germans and French basically vetoed the idea of NATO membership for Ukraine & Georgia in 2008 (and Taiwan, lol), but Americans prevailed. Many observers and Putin himself warned about the current situation far in advance (George Keenan, William Burns [CIA] in 2008 warned about Crimea and the DonBas, very specific). France & Germany are not interested in American hegemony and bleeding Russia dry, cutting it up in more manageable units to exploit the mineral resources there that belong to the liberal world order, as American think tanks have been positing for decades. France & Germany have obviously been coopted in the end by American facts on the fround (f.ck the EU, coup, far-right taking over government, Nato exercises and training and infrastruture in Ukraine). European “sovereigns” are subject to extra-territorial jursidiction on scores of matters against their interest, but in the end all pull together with the boss of bosses, like the members in a mafia clan.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
Call me a deluded, lazy, arrogant American. Not only have I heard it all for decades, but there’s truth in it. Still, I think the idea of popular self-government has never fit very well in Europe. This isn’t to wave the American flag. Especially now, given the corruption, insularity, and abject incompetence of our leaders. So I can only speak as an old-school American, almost as ignored by our “leaders” as the European people are.
This deluded, lazy, arrogant American says: We are the New World. My grandparents and great-granparents left for a reason. They turned their backs on Europe and became Americans. I might or might not have my views about the Russians, and about the Ukrainians. America has rescued Europe from itself twice. Will it happen a third time? We shall see, because I can assure you that my country’s “leaders” won’t care what we think, and our submissive media will never challenge them.
Russia and the Ukraine are two cancer patients fighting over the morphine. Look at the underlying conditions: economic, social, demographic. Both are crashing. Same goes for Germany, by the way. In my opinion, America has absolutely no business being involved in that fight. Period. Germany? They were dirt poor until the mid-19th century. American saying: Shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations.

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