As Amazing as it Seems, One Key Person Will Actually Read the Manchin Bill Before It Passes

Image of Senators Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin from Tweet below

Sinema May Want to Change the Schumer-Manchin Deal

Please note, Sinema May Want to Change the Schumer-Manchin Deal

Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) had a message for her Democratic colleagues before she flew home to Arizona for the weekend: She’s preserving her options.

Sinema has leverage and she knows it. Any potential modification to the Democrat’s climate and deficit reduction package — like knocking out the $14 billion provision on carried interest — could cause the fragile deal to collapse.

Sinema has given no assurances to colleagues that she’ll vote along party lines in the so-called “vote-a-rama” for the $740 billion bill next week, according to people familiar with the matter.

Sinema Will Look Inside 

Axios reports Sinema is taking a printout of the 725-Page Bill back to Arizona on Friday for some dense in-flight reading.

Key Points 

  • Sinema has given no assurances to colleagues that she’ll vote along party lines in the so-called “vote-a-rama” for the $740 billion bill next week, according to people familiar with the matter.
  • The vote-a-rama process allows lawmakers to offer an unlimited number of amendments, as long as they are ruled germane by the Senate parliamentarian. Senators — and reporters — expect a late night.
  • Republicans, steaming mad that Democrats have a chance to send a $280 billion China competition package and a massive climate and health care bill to President Biden, will use the vote-a-rama to force vulnerable Democrats to take politically difficult votes.
  • They’ll also attempt to kill the reconciliation package with poison pills — amendments that make it impossible for Schumer to find 50 votes for final passage.

Procedural Gambling 

Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer kept Sinema in the dark, working out a secret deal with Senator Joe Manchin in isolation. That was a purposeful gamble and perhaps a bad one. 

Senator Manchin also took a gamble, perhaps a bad one, but perhaps purposely lawed. Manchin wanted and received assurances from Schumer for permit reform. But Progressives do not want permit reform or more drilling of any kind. 

Reconciliation bills must contain budget items only. So what did Manchin really get in return?

Manchin’s gamble (perhaps a planned setup), is that he either gets what he wants or the parliamentarian kills it all.

Four Ways Bill Could Die

  • The Senate parliamentarian can rule against permit reform. That would likely kill everything right there. 
  • The Republican poison pill kill method could work, but I suspect there are ways for that to backfire as well.
  • Sinema can easily kill this bill herself, but I suspect she would rather have Manchin on board or hopes Manchin kills it himself after an adverse parliamentarian ruling.
  • Poison pills aside, many specifics are still missing. How is this Medicare cost reduction idea going to work? Bickering over missing details could kill this.

Saga Continues

If the bill dies, the most likely way is via the Senate parliamentarian. Joe Manchin can then say he tried, and Sinema might escape without having to take an actual position. 

The saga continues. 

I will not be surprised by any outcome including an even bigger boondoggle that is currently on the table.

Radical Ideas

I always advocate passing bills then checking to see what’s in them. It’s the sure-fire way to let lobbyists run the country. And who wouldn’t want that?

Translation Requested

Meanwhile, can someone please translate the above clip into English? 

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El_Tedo
El_Tedo
3 years ago
It’s interesting how beloved ‘moderate’ Democrats are. If either Sinema or Manchin were Republicans, they would be despised as RINOs. If Romney or Susan Collins were Democrats, would they be loved for being moderates? This isn’t a criticism, BTW, just an observation about human nature.
PreCambrian
PreCambrian
3 years ago
I agree with you that bills should be read prior to a vote but the Twitter comment by Specguy regarding the ACA not being read before it passed is garbage. There were at least six months of public hearings before it passed contrary to what Republicans did before they tried to modify it without even releasing the bill to anyone but the committee. You might not agree with the ACA but it was actually very well discussed, read, and debated.
Deficit
Deficit
3 years ago
Reply to  PreCambrian
Were any Republican written amendments accepted in Obamacrap?
Jackula
Jackula
3 years ago
She’s gonna want that chip plant money
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
3 years ago
it will not do anything for inflation and will eliminate jobs…..great job by the dumbocrats again…no wonder that ride of theirs at Disney was the one that took the cheapest ticket in the passbook…..so bad, you could ride it 5 time with the old passbook…
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Meanwhile, can someone please translate the above clip into English?
I think this deserves to be preserved in Chinese characters.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“The Senate parliamentarian can rule against permit reform. That would likely kill everything right there.”
That would upset AOC- again. She is just not a fan of the parliamentarian.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
AOC would replace the parliamentarian with a bar tender.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
US congress schedule to visit Singapore, Malaysia, SK and Japan in early Aug . Pelosi itinerary exclude Taiwan. Will she get there or we caved in.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer kept Sinema in the dark, working out a secret deal with Senator Joe Manchin in isolation.”
What goes on behind closed doors, we don’t know.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Soften Xi before Pelosi land in Taiwan. When Pelosi is back this bill shall not pass.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
SINEMA FUNDING PAST DECADE PER OPEN SECRETS. Retired$3,148,198 Securities & Investment$2,732,986 Lawyers/Law Firms$2,559,398 Democratic/Liberal$1,868,428 Real Estate$1,731,218 Women’s Issues$1,102,829 Education$1,017,120
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
sinema was an neighbor and state rep that was very honest in old days. now she is bought and paid for. and a terrific fundraiser. follow the money and body bags and prisons and you will understand what our government and people stand for. empires all crumble. amerika will be no different. https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/kyrsten-sinema/industries?cid=N00033983&cycle=CAREER&type=I
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
This is kind of telling about our present and future. If climate scientists are now quiet, it isn’t because things aren’t as bad as they predicted. It is because they are worse.
Climate scientist says total climate breakdown is now inevitable: ‘It is already a different world out there, soon it will be unrecognizable to every one of us’

billybobjr
billybobjr
3 years ago
The attached article is just and opinion piece . The reason the scientist aren’t telling everyone about how bad it is going to be is because they already tried that 10-20 years ago and none of their predictions came true . You can go back and pull articles speeches by Gore and so on and they were wrong . The entities that get government money to study climate have repeatedly been caught manipulating data out right lying and emails
have proven this that they were trying to produce warming because the money funding them was looking for a desired result. All the manipulations
were to one side to make things appear warmer than they were . They changed formulas and so on . So it is good people are skeptical they should be
because they earned it . Why manipulate data if you have a case . Their predictions in the past have proven to be false so why would people
believe them now . Climate changes, it is summer and it is hot but same as it has been where I live for last 40 or so years .
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
The climate is just fine. Real science – not the nonsense that gets air time – says so. Funny how normal-but-rare weather events are now all attributed to “climate change”, where they used to be caused by witches or not sacrificing enough virgins. The more things change, the more they stay the same…
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
I am all for sacrificing more virgins. Witchcraft, on the other hand, has a poor rate of return.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Bill McQuire is an interesting guy with good credentials–a volcanologist into global geophysical events and global climate change. His basic hypothesis, global warming (of one degree) is causing the planet to become geologically unstable.
There are definitely some unusual geological events underway (and recent); however, causation is the issue! McQuire argues the cause of global geophysical events is melting of the polar icecaps, caused by global warming, caused by hu-persons.
It is a little far-fetched, even for Hollywood. Worse, it is too late to do anything about it. Not much of a scientist, IMHO. For example, what other factors could explain an increase in global geophysical events? The SUN, maybe????
Ahab’s Rule #3: Spurious correlations are rampant in statistics, whatever the application (global climate change NOT INCLUDED).
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Climate doesn’t breakdown, it changes. The record high temperature for L.A. on July 25, is 109, recorded in 1895, per KTLA “News.”
The 1930’s were hot in the U.S. The hottest July on record is 1936. The 1940’s into the 1970’s got cold.
If he was living in the 1930’s, then into the 1970’s, he would have been saying that it was already a different world out there.
Except for Mulholland’s viaduct, Los Angeles couldn’t have filled up with people. Talk is now of building water recycling facilities over the next decade.
Billy
Billy
3 years ago
The magic of MMT. Printing overrides taxes.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
The DONORcrat Party villain rotation strategy in action again. Surprise, surprise!
killben
killben
3 years ago
“Meanwhile, can someone please translate the above clip into English?”
Well said.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
I downloaded a copy of it two days ago. I’m going to buy an electric car, and Uncle Stupid + Oregon Stupid will pay half the cost. Fools and their money are parted, and the fool ain’t me. LOL
p.s.: The federal bill makes it possible for me to give away my current EV but make a couple grand doing it. LOL
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
What’s the federal incentive for an electric car in the bill?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
$7,500 for a new one. $4,000 for a used one as long as you buy it from a dealer. The federal stupidity is in the form of tax credits, so the buyer needs to have the requisite tax liability after the other deductions. In Oregon, it’s a rebate. It applies only to new EVs, so it cuts the price of my forthcoming EV but will not apply to the buyer of the old one.
My biggest challenge is to convince anyone that my old EV (which still runs just fine, but is short range) would be free. For every good reason, people won’t want to believe “something for nothing” except from Uncle Stupid. But it’s true. Oh well. We live in the countryside, so maybe I’ll wind up doing what other country dwellers do and park it in one of our meadows, up on blocks. LOL

I might add that I will forget more than 99%+ of the people will ever know about electric vehicles.

shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
It’s been $7,500 for a while. Do you think Teslas will be eligible again?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
The $7,500 was limited to the first 200,000 from any maker. The bill removes that limitation, and adds $4,000 for a used EV. Unless I’ve missed something, Teslas will be eligible. That said, only a fool buys a Tesla.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Here’s a plan. Let’s pool our money and buy a new EV (say $70K) for the MishTalk EV Company (MTEC). Mish gets the first $7, 500. MTEC sells it to me for $75K and I take the $4,000 credit. I sell it back to MTEC for $74K. MTEC sells it to Shamrock for $74K, who takes a $4,000 credit, then sells it back to MTEC for $73K… Six months later, everyone has a $3,000 net tax credit for 2022, and Mish gets to keep the EV, now on the books for $1,000.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Used sales have to go through a dealer to get the $4,000 tax credit. Maximum income (AGI) for any of the federal credits is $75K for singles, $150K for households.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
I thought it was clear. MishTalk EV Company (MTEC) is a dealer. As for the Max AGI? A slight complication!! LMAO, though. One has to wonder about people spending one year’s AGI to buy a car.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The fun part is that no one (so far) believes me when I say that, if we can find a used car lot with a reasonably smart owner, they can have my old EV for free. It’s true, but people are cynical and I guess I can’t blame them. So maybe its future is to wind up on blocks in one of the meadows. LOL
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
JUst beware of the limited life of EV batteries and the very high cost to replace the battery. This is why H2 fuel cell cars will replace EV’s.
———
Battery Replacement of Family’s EV Ford Focus Would Cost More Than Car Itself
July 19, 2022
A Florida family who just a few months ago purchased a battery-powered vehicle learned an unforgettable lesson after their car suddenly stopped working.
The parents of Avery Siwinski, a 17-year-old of St. Petersburg, spent $11,000 on a used 2014 Ford Focus Electric that had 60,000 miles at the time it was bought, WTSP-TV reported.
“In March, it started giving an alert,” Siwinski told the network. “And then we took it to the shop and it stopped running.”
After taking the car to a local Ford dealership, the family learned that the mechanical issues were linked to the vehicle’s battery, which apparently needed to be replaced.
The repair bill for the battery was a whopping $14,000, said Siwinski’s grandfather, who stepped in to help her with the car problems because her father passed away in June due to cancer.
He also noted that the figure presented by mechanics wasn’t even the total, as it didn’t include labor costs.
….

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