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Senator Joe Manchin Threatens to Leave the Democratic Party, Then Denies It

Manchin’s Exit Plan

On October 20, Mother Jones reported Manchin Tells Associates He’s Considering Leaving the Democratic Party and Has an Exit Plan.

In recent days, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) has told associates that he is considering leaving the Democratic Party if President Joe Biden and Democrats on Capitol Hill do not agree to his demand to cut the size of the social infrastructure bill from $3.5 trillion to $1.75 trillion, according to people who have heard Manchin discuss this. Manchin has said that if this were to happen, he would declare himself an “American Independent.” And he has devised a detailed exit strategy for his departure.

He told associates that he has a two-step plan for exiting the party. First, he would send a letter to Sen. Chuck Schumer, the top Senate Democrat, removing himself from the Democratic leadership of the Senate. (He is vice chair of the Senate Democrats’ policy and communications committee.) Manchin hopes that would send a signal. He would then wait and see if that move had any impact on the negotiations. After about a week, he said, he would change his voter registration from Democrat to independent.

Update: After this article was published, reporters questioned Manchin about it. He replied, “I can’t control rumors, and it’s bullshit, bullshit spelled with a B, U, L, L, capital B.” Mother Jones stands by the story.

Manchin’s Changing Story

On October 21, Mother Jones reported Joe Manchin Called Our Reporting “Bullshit.” Now He’s Got a Different Story.

“What is true,” Manchin told The Hill, “is that I have told the president, Chuck Schumer, and even the whole Caucus that if it is ‘embarrassing’ to them to have a moderate, centrist Democrat in the mix and if it would help them publicly, I could become an Independent—like Bernie—and then they could explain some of this to the public saying it’s complicated to corral these two independents, Bernie and me.”

Manchin characterized his offer as an effort that would help Biden and Schumer better explain the different perspectives in their caucus to Democrats.

Manchin’s spin has moved from a complete denial on Wednesday to a yes-but on Thursday, with an explanation that depicts Manchin as a senator generously considering a departure from the Democratic Party only to help Schumer and the other Democrats.

Will He or Won’t He?

First things first. We are dealing with politicians, political statements, and second hand allegations on top of it.

Yet, at least parts of the story as presented ring true. 

Q: What parts? 
A: I have no idea.

In other words, I am sure there is something here. But what?

This might conceivably go back to my interpretation of a meeting between Manchin and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

Graham Accuses McConnell of Folding Like a Cheap Suit, What Really Happened?

Please recall my October 9 post Graham Accuses McConnell of Folding Like a Cheap Suit, What Really Happened?

Following the vote to temporarily increase the debt ceiling, Lindsey Graham Ripped Mitch McConnell for ‘Folding Like a Cheap Suit’

“Looks like Mitch McConnell is folding to the Democrats, again,” Trump said in a statement through his leadership PAC, Save America. “He’s got all of the cards with the debt ceiling, it’s time to play the hand. Don’t let them destroy our Country!”

I had a completely different take in Debt Ceiling Crisis Postponed as Democrats Agree to a Temporary Deal

Before allegedly “caving” McConnell met Senator Joe Manchin.

What did McConnell get for agreeing to resolve the debt ceiling? How about this possibility?

A day after meeting McConnell (perhaps coincidence) Manchin Demands Progressives Prioritize

Clear Win

  1. Republicans avoid blame for default.
  2. Ceiling debate postponed not eliminated.
  3. Manchin feuds with Schumer.
  4. Manchin demands Democrats prioritize.
  5. McConnell gives clear notice to Biden that in December the debt ceiling must be via reconciliation 

Manchin told colleagues that progressives need to pick just one of Biden’s three signature policies for helping working families and discard the other two.

Meanwhile it’s the Democrats not the Republicans who have splintered. For discussion, please see Senator Kyrsten Sinema Harassed In Bathroom, Biden Says “Part of the Process”

Pieces of the Puzzle

Those are additional pieces of the puzzle. But it is not clear how they fit together or even if they do. 

It’s possible there are more pieces than there is puzzle. Some might not fit anywhere. 

It could be happenstance that these details and discussions happened after Manchin met McConnell. 

Manchin’s Denial 

Manchin’s first denial seems B, U, L, L, seems reasonable. He appears to be a straight shooter. 

But his later explanation to a yes-but in which he made the offer to the Democratic Party to help Schumer and the other Democrats seems totally absurd.

That part of this convoluted story does not seem reasonable.

Stern “Back Off” Warning

Perhaps the most plausible explanation is this is a big “don’t mess with me” message because “I am not changing my demands.”

If so, the ball is in the Progressive’s court. 

If the Progressives, Nancy Pelosi, AOC, and Biden keep insisting on ideas that Manchin cannot and will not support, perhaps he does leave. 

If so, he will have given ample warning. 

Perhaps Manchin has already made up his mind to leave and is just waiting for the final straw, like another feud with Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer or petulant whining from AOC. 

What’s Best?

I would like to see Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema leave the Democratic party. 

Neither fits in with the demands the Progressives are making. 

And I am truly fed up with the existing inevitable compromise of more military spending in return for more social spending.

We can afford neither but the compromise always seems to be more of each. 

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At the very least, Sinema ought to issue the same threat as Manchin. 

For discussion, please see Senator Kyrsten Sinema Harassed In Bathroom, Biden Says “Part of the Process”

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tbergerson
tbergerson
4 years ago
Good points.  The raise defense spending (with the sinister result of entrenching the Deep State/MIC-Pharma State even more) and raise entitlements dynamic is not sustainable in the long run.  In the end the country is doomed if we do not get a constitutional amendment implementing congressional term limits (which would realign incentives in a more healthy way), a very high hurdle.  So ultimately doomed.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
 My comment went poof.
Short version….this story is not a story unless Manchin actually DOES something. What he says in private is his business. The press’s big scoop is a nothingburger in my book.
I’d gladly work for Joe Manchin if he was in my state, and I’d also support Sinema. They are moderates and they have the courage of their convictions, which is rare among politicians of any era, and unheard of nowadays.
Republican moderates are rare too. I used to really admire Texas Speaker Joe Strauss, who is cut from the same cloth….he got tired of fighting the extremists in his own party and went back to his law practice. I don’t blame him.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Manchin is in the news everyday now.  He is an important man.   If he joins the Repubs, he will become just another faceless entity in the crowd.
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
“It’s the economy, stupid,” observed James Carville when he was helping elect Mr. Clinton. 
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
It’s FJB, stupid,” observed James Carville, when he was trying to explain the democrats’ shocking loss in the midterms.
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
The past four years of American politics has cemented the concept that Mordor on the Potomac is the hotbed of reality TV. Manchin is now reality TV. 

For a guy like Manchin, having watched the Republican party move leftward in recent years, embracing all sorts of big government in order to gather votes, it wouldn’t be hard for him to fell at home in the GOP. It’s not a party of small government warriors who are truly fiscal conservatives. 

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Bungalow Bill
Right now, anything is better than AOC and friends.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Problem is: Nothing realistically considered by anyone currently close to power, differs from AOC and friends in any meaningful way whatsoever. Just slightly (and very slightly at that) different shades of lipstick on the same old pig.
Business Man
Business Man
4 years ago
We also don’t know how much “cover” is going on behind the scenes.  Often times there is just enough of a sacrificial lamb (Manchin) put out there to keep something from happening that would threaten many more moderates who would rather not be on record against the bill.
I think someone else here calls it “rotating failure” theater.  That’s probably correct.  
If you only need one or two persons to achieve the objective, why put more out there to twist in the wind?
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
Yes, I was the one who referred to the “rotating villain” theory.   AFAIK, it was Glenn Greenwald who first used that term.

https://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/

Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
“Perhaps Manchin has already made up his mind to leave and is just waiting for the final straw,”
Put me down for pendulum beginning to swing away from Progressives.  A real tell will be Virginia’s Governor race.  McAuliffe (D) a former governor had a big lead back in the summer.  Now? Keeps tightening and within margin of error.  Tightening occurring despite McAuliffe’s way ahead in $$s.  Just announced he’s bringing in Biden to campaign with him.  If Youngkin wins this will be a big hit to Biden’s political capital.
Business Man
Business Man
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
I agree with you.  I think many Americans who voted for Biden thought that they would be getting “normalcy,” which was in high demand after the Trump years and Covid shutdowns.  They didn’t know how, but since Biden promised it, they bought it.
Now that the opposite has happened, voters are going to make the progressives and Democrats pay.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
I think you’ve nailed it perfectly.
The whole reason Bernie wasn’t allowed to run was because they knew no one wanted his policies or would vote for them. I suspect the progressives were ‘bought off’ in the primaries by being told Biden would push their agenda (which he has) in return for supporting him since he was seen as someone who could beat Trump.
Now the truth is out that the progressives are running the show behind the scenes and it’s causing a lot of swing voters to abandon ship on Biden.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Business Man
Many Biden voters did so because they were taught to despise Trump by constant negativity  and censorship by omission by the mainstream media. Even intelligent people fell for it, either ignoring or unaware of progressive propaganda.  The end result is a president with dementia and an incompetent administration. And the worst is yet to come.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I’ve followed Trump since the 1970’s and he was always an a-hole. I hardly needed the MSM, which I never watch anyway, to influence me on Trump.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
In 2016, Trump was a developer. It takes a ‘special’ kind of person to bring together a large-scale development, which is why, over 40 odd years, I have only meet one developer who was not an egomaniac, self-centered, delusional, prone to lying etc. Given what I know of Trump, he was my last choice, yet he was still head and shoulders above the leading democrat at the time, the power-hungry Ms. Clinton, whose past real estate dealings and ‘legal’ activities should have put her in prison. Sadly, the complexities of the Clinton shenanigans are such that few people could understand what the MSM did not want to explain. If you want a-holes, the Clintons are at the top of the list.
Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Whatever you say he was….. He was on our side.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
“And the worst is yet to come.”
As has been the case with every administration since Jefferson. And will, by the look of things, continue to be the case until we are once again back to, at best, Jefferson era levels of economic development. That’s what Progressivism; all of it, from income taxes to central banks to antitrust laws to women’s suffrage to land use and zoning laws to activist judiciaries to gun laws to….. {insert any law, any institution and any childish political fad and infatuation, passed since the end of the War Between the States}, is all and solely about: Permanent decay. All in a vapid attempt to rob and harass productive people for the benefit of connected idiots afraid they can’t hack it in a free world.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Wrong.   If the D-crats lose, it will be because they failed to pass anything meaningful, not because they tried to pass this or that or the other bill.  People don’t give a damn about the so-called price tag for any of these because they knew the big banks and corporations and the super-rich always get bailed out and nobody ever asks what the price tag is for that.  
The myth of the progressive policies leading to defeats is just that – a myth.  Establishment D-crats keep on harping about it, and I have seen many a coastal liberal spout the same kind of nonsense.   
The D-crats rolled back so much of the “New Deal” policies during the last 30 years that they really are Republicans in all but name.   This is not your grandfather’s Democratic Party.  This is not even your father’s Democratic Party.  This is the DONORcrat Party of Clinton, Obama, Biden et al.  
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
“People don’t give a damn about the so-called price tag…”
So why are people complaining about inflation?
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
“Pieces of the Puzzle”
Well, in the United States map puzzle Kentucky and West Virginia are connected …

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