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Hello EU: A Eurosceptic, Hard Right, Italian Government is Coming in September

Italy polls from Wikipedia, annotations by Mish

Italian polls are often unreliable, but these results are unusually clear and stable. 

Political Parties 

Images from Wikipedia, annotations by Mish 

Election Triggered

The September election was triggered when the Five-Star Movement (M5S) refused to support Prime Minister Mario Draghi, in Parliament.

Draghi is a compromise technocrat rather than an elected leader. 

Italy’s president, Sergio Mattarella, asked Draghi to reconsider his resignation, but Draghi refused, triggering elections. 

The Italian president is largely a political figurehead except in matters like these.

Insurmountable Lead

A 46.2 to 34.3 lead is insurmountable by Italian election rules.

Bloomberg reports Italy’s Right Has an Orban-Style Super Majority Within Reach

An alliance led by Giorgia Meloni’s far-right Brothers of Italy, which includes Matteo Salvini’s League and Silvio Berlusconi’s Forza Italia, has a wide lead in opinion polls ahead of the September 25 general election. If other forces are divided, this might lead close to a two-thirds majority in both houses of parliament, according to an analysis by Youtrend/CattaneoZanetto & Co.

This result would see the right score similarly to Hungarian leader Viktor Orban, who won a large majority in 2010. But reaching a two-third majority would be difficult for the coalition and the study’s main scenario is for a right-wing coalition falling short of the two-thirds threshold.

Achieving a broad majority large enough to change the constitution would be unprecedented in Italy’s recent history and could have a profound impact on the country’s political system.

All three leaders of the right-wing alliance have called in the past for the president to be directly elected by Italian voters, instead of by lawmakers and regional representatives as is currently the case. This would require changing the constitution.

The right-wing bloc could get as many as 271 seats out of 400 in the lower house, and 131 out of 200 in the Senate. That’s in a scenario in which the center-left Democratic Party doesn’t ally with the populist Five Star Movement, or with groups such as Matteo Renzi’s Italy Alive. This scenario doesn’t take into account six senators appointed for life.

The survey maps a recent Quorum/YouTrend poll to recently-redrawn electoral districts. It highlights up to 67 swing seats in the lower house and Senate, which could prove decisive in turning a right-wing majority at the ballot box into a landslide victory in parliament.

Supermajority Math is Close

  • 271 / 400 = 67.75 Percent 
  • 131 / 200 = 65.55 Percent

These numbers are close enough to make a super-majority very plausible. 

Populists at the Gate

ForeignPolicy Magazine reports Populists at the Gates.

With Mario Draghi on his way out, Europe braces for the most radical right-wing government in Italy’s republican history.

Polls suggest that the post-fascist Brothers of Italy party has a good chance to come out on top in a general election slated for the end of September, with its leader, Giorgia Meloni, close to becoming Italy’s first far-right (and first female) leader since the end of World War II.

And she’s not alone. Meloni is running as part of an alliance with Matteo Salvini, the leader of the far-right League, and Silvio Berlusconi, the former prime minister and head of the conservative Forza Italia; the combined right-wing front is expected to snag about 45 percent of the vote—enough to secure a comfortable majority of seats in Parliament.

The prospect of a hard-right government in Rome with strong populist and Euroskeptic undertones comes as EU leaders seek to maintain cohesion of the 27-nation bloc, coordinate their response to the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine, deal with a looming energy crisis caused by Moscow, and tackle skyrocketing inflation.

The uncertainty over how exactly Italy’s right-wing coalition would position itself on all those issues has many in Brussels worried, said Arturo Varvelli of the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR). “There is great sorrow over the loss of Mario Draghi,” he said.

Brussels has already been dealing with right-wing governments in Budapest and Warsaw that have challenged the bloc’s legitimacy and sparked increasingly bitter showdowns over the judiciary, rights, and democracy. Meloni, while rejecting the far-right label, seems birds of a feather with the Hungarian and Polish leaders. Her party has strong links with Italy’s post-fascist tradition, and her views include securing borders against “mass immigration,” defending Europe’s “Christian roots,” and battling the “LGBT lobby.” Meloni also wants the EU to stop interfering with the “sovereignty of the peoples” and has sided with Poland and Hungary in their ongoing row with Brussels over their democratic backsliding. Salvini has long railed against “Brussels bureaucrats,” while Berlusconi famously shocked the European Parliament when, in the middle of a plenary, he suggested that its future president, Martin Schulz, was fit for a movie role as a Nazi death camp guard.

Forza Italia has pledged to raise pensions, while the League has promised an early retirement scheme and a wide tax amnesty.

Huge Political and Economic Considerations

This setup has huge political and economic potential consequences. 

With a super-majority the upcoming government could change the constitution. 

This could also mean a change towards how the president is picked or even leaving the Eurozone. 

A Eurozone breakup would be catastrophic for the Euro and even worse for the Italian Lira fallback. 

Alternatively, threats from Italy could push Germany into supporting debt comingling. But that would require a change in the German Constitution. 

At a minimum, a government led by Giorgia Meloni will be another big thorn in the side of the EU. 

At the expected percentages, this government rates to be very stable, an unusual setup for Italy.

Draghi 2012 Flashback

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB2CM2ngpQg

Mario Draghi’s famous speech as prior head of the ECB is back in play. 

“Within our mandate, the ECB is ready do whatever it takes to preserve the Euro. And believe me it will be enough,” said Draghi as ECB head.

Q: What did he do?
A: Nothing

The statement alone was all it took to end the peripheral eurozone bond crisis. Bond yields in Greece, Italy, Portugal, and Spain crashed.

“Super Draghi”, as he was soon called, is super no more. 

Statements alone will not work this time. Greece and Italy are orders of magnitude different in importance.

So, what will ECB president Christine Lagarde do for an encore?

Tweet Comments

Lacalle replied Lagarde will do the same as Draghi. That led to this conversation.

German Trade Surplus

The Ramifications of Never

What’s Next?

Reflections on Japanification

End of the 40-Year Bull in Debt and a “Global Depression” Threat

We may very well be headed for a currency crisis starting in the Eurozone. For years, most thought it would start in the US. Not me. 

I do not know if this is it or not, but the possibility is huge.

For further discussion of the possibilities, please see End of the 40-Year Bull in Debt and a “Global Depression” Threat

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JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Watch EU stage another coup after the elections!!!
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Just wait till the traffic light coalition falls apart over Habeck’s dessembling over energy supply.
Just wait till people across Europe have to choose between be able to keep the lights on and their computer and telephone charged and transgender-inclusive policy mavericks.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Europe, get ready for a tragic winter.
Robbyrob
Robbyrob
3 years ago
Who are the economic ‘referees’ that decide if the US is in a recession? https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20220731-who-are-the-economic-referees-that-decide-if-the-us-is-in-a-recession
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
3 years ago
Time for Western Europe to embrace the Wim Hof method.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Italy enjoys a near homogeneous population comprised of almost 89% Italians. Less than 11% have any foreign background. Until the 1980s, Italy was a linguistically and culturally homogeneous society. The collapse of the Berlin Wall, and enlargements of the European Union in 2004 and 2007 attracted many people from former Socialist countries of Eastern Europe. Of course the Sand Box Spring has made it’s contributions as well. Adding on to this is the current situation in Ukraine. Basically Italians want their daughters marrying Italians. Expresso Coffee and the Leaning Tower of Pizza are a big part of who they are genetically and culturally.
Italy is not alone in this regard.
– Austria is 91.1% Austrian
– Armenia is 97.9% Armenian
– Egypt is 98% Egyptian
– Finland is 93.4% Finn
– Germany is 91.5% German
– South Korea, homogeneous (except for about 20,000 Chinese)
– Lebanon is 95% Arab
– Japan, Japanese 99%; Korean, Chinese, Brazillian, Filipino, other 1%
– Netherlands is 83% Dutch
– Norway, Norwegian, Sami 20,000
– Poland is 96.7% Polish
– Romania is 89.5% Romanian
– Saudi Arabia is 90% Arab, with a 10% Afro-Asian servant class
– Sweden is a largely indigenous
population: Swedes with Finnish and Sami minorities; foreign-born or
first-generation immigrants: Finns, Yugoslavs, Danes, Norwegians,
Greeks, Turks
Italians seem to believe that the Spaghetti should mostly have meatballs, but many darling liberal countries seem to have similar sentiments about their own countries culinary memes. The Europeans did not learn about being this way from the Hatfields and McCoys; Au Contraire these feuding family’s’ learned this behavior from the Europeans. Imagine America with every state having a different language and currency; but until the introduction of the Euro that was the case in the Old World. These countries have been squabbling for centuries. It is said that Austrians from Innsbruck don’t like Austrians from Vienna; and that French from Paris do not like French from Marseille and on and on and on. This is why World Wars like to start in Europe.
Early American history was rife with atrocities that was learned behavior by people escaping from; but at the same time propagating their feudal and colonialist European Nature. The United States did not develop their own near cultural autonomy and cast off much of their Barbarian European cultural legacy until after WWII and the invention of the Hotdog and Hamburger. Even then as now America has room for improvement and I regret it is always taking the fight elsewhere. But what can you expect out of a country made up of a bunch of immigrants from despotic lands.
I think to a certain degree that all nations feel “The Bean needs to stay on the Tortilla, the Fortune needs to stay in the Cookie, the Meatball needs to stay on the Spaghetti, The Strudel needs to be next to the Sauerkraut; and of course Apple Pie needs to stay right were it is. There are many who believe everyone should go back to their own Continent and that’s what continents were made for. Such is human nature.
America has embraced Human Nature as much as any people, but has bucked Human Nature more than most. God Help Us.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
America has become a feudalistic system through the growth of large corporations. We have CEO’s who hold court in board rooms. Individual success in life depends on pledging allegiance to the corporation. Debt and taxes are the chains and guards.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
You bring up a good point that illustrates what I am talking about. Who invented the corporate charter and modern corporate structure. The English East India Company, and the Dutch West India Company were perhaps the first corporate charters, whereby stockholders could be anonymous, and not need permission from other stock holders to buy or sell positions. Stockholders received financial benefits, but decisions were made by elected directors and the only choice investors made was to sell or hold. Both of these companies had major influences on their perspective countries, and the countries they colonized.
Speaking of memes “The Finger Should Stay in the Dike”……. or should it be the other way around?????? Was the Little Dutch Boy the Stillpoint of Destruction????? If the Little Dutch Boy removed his finger from the Dike, would the ensuing destruction have confounded the Netherlands society so much that all we would have had is floating wooden shoes and no Dutch West India Company. Would this have prevented the modern corporate structure from even existing. The Little Dutch Boy, like Oppenheimer, could also have also been quoting the Bhagavad Gita: “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.” An Alternate Universe would have had the Dutch busily keeping their finger in the Dike, and would have had no time to venture from home; thereby preventing world wide mayhem abroad…….. Such is the Tao of Memes.
It took Gandhi to dispatch the vestiges of the English India Company out of India…….. Don’t get me started on the invention of the pneumatic bicycle tire by a guy name Dunlop; and the 10 million soul Belgian Congo Holocaust that was created by exploitation of this invention for bicycle enthusiasts. Would Viet Nam hold so much interest to French Rubber Corporations and spawn one of the deadliest wars in human history without the European corporate charter?
America like the the Hatfields and McCoys are great imitators when it comes to Corporate structure. America reminds me of the Japanese, who are known for being able to take apart a watch or some other worthy invention and copy it not only to perfection but exceeding the original items quality and performance.
It has been said that… “America has the best government that money can buy.”
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
Expresso and the Leaning Tower of Pizza. That’s where I stopped. Nice try, though. LOL
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Such is the glory of my high double digit IQ.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
You would be wrong about pre-European America: it was savage even by most savage European standards, from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego.
Most pre-historic societies were.
It takes a blockhead idiot, usually called libtard, to selectively glorify this savagery.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
The state of fallen man knows no borders.
SmokeyIX
SmokeyIX
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
The statistic about South Korea sounds at least 25 years old. Koreans import TONS of mail order brides, especially in the countryside where Korean women don’t want to live. In Seoul, where Korean women do want to live, the birthrate is 0.62. The national birthrate is 0.86, with the mail order brides doing most of the heavy lifting. I’m a US citizen living in Korea and one of my students has a Vietnamese mother. I used to teach a kid who had a Korean mother and, based on her appearance, likely an Arab father. In addition, there are around 2,000,000 foreign residents, including myself. Lots of Chinese overstay their visas and are more or less a permanent fixture similar to many Mexicans in the USA.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  SmokeyIX
This could indeed progress. With 2 million or perhaps 3 million non Koreans living in Korea with a population of 52 million; Korea is now only 94% Korean. We have to take what we get. It is not right or wrong. I don’t think Italians and Koreans are participating in Racism as much as they are participating in Cultural-ism. They want to maintain their culture and not look just like another American city viewed from the Freeway, which looks just like the last American city passed through an hour ago.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“Populists at the Gate”
Millennia ago, it was barbarians at the gate. When empires fall. Who will re-stage the crossing of the Rubicon? Who’s turn is it to beware the Ides of March?
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Crete, a valve that control the flow from the Bosporus, Haifa and Port Said. Sicily is more important than the rock of Gibraltar. That’s why a British aircraft carrier attacked Taranto in in Nov 1940, a year before PH. We have a port in Crete and 28 bases in Italy. China compete with
us.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Do you walk to work, or do you carry your lunch?
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Hard right, hard left, what does it matter? Italy is dying demographically. They have 7 births for ever 12 deaths. The only growth of the population, like the US, is coming from immigration. So the hard right will shut down borders and stop immigration then what? Collapse? Of course, the problem exits for most EU members as well: Spain, Portugal, France all negative demographics. Germany not in much better shape.
Shuffling chairs on the titanic keeps people/politicians busy but there is no point to it. Short Italy, go long pasta futures.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
“Shuffling chairs on the titanic keeps people/politicians busy but there is no point to it.”
Precisely. That is why a paradigm/entire pattern change is necessary.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
The same is true of just about every European country. Also true of both Russia and Ukraine, each of which has run short of 19-year-old army recruits and are now sticking untrained older people on the front lines, with predictable consequences.
killben
killben
3 years ago
“Super Draghi”, as he was soon called, is super no more.”
Rattlesnakes have a way of popping up all over the place.
Who knows Draghi might become the ECB Chief. Especially if Lagarde is found wanting despite doing “all it takes”
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  killben
There was never such thing as Super Draghi, being a grey eminence inside ECB.
There was a Super Mario aka Mario Monti, the chair of EU Commission: much better chair in much better times.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
What’s the definition of the populist?
Or let’s reverse it, what’s the definition of non-populist? Deep stater? Here, Draghi would fit as “technocrat”.
Then the populist would mean: not part of the deep state.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
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RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Awesome!
Careful, you will make Ansel Adams jealous.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Beautiful photos Mish. You should come down to Phoenix and have a good discussion with me while you’re out here.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Flood of Afriqs, drought in the Po river. Italian farmers are struggling. High commodities prices, diesel, wages, the war in Ukraine
and a strong dollar hit Milan stock exchange. It peaked in June 2007, got bad injuries, but the recovery speed of FTSE/MIB is very slow.
After retracing 50% it’s down again. If the new gov Brexit, USD will popup. With the deflated Lireta Milan industrial zone
might beat China and Germany. FORZA AC Milan. San Siro for ten dollars. FTSE/MIB might test the lows.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Oh my God! Italian soccer clubs are going to get killed with no gas, no water boys, no bonuses and with a deflated Lireta Milan industrial zone.
bobcalderone
bobcalderone
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
What type of dressing do you recommend for the word salad you’ve made for all of us?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  bobcalderone
Russian! LOL
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago

“This could also mean a change towards how the president is picked or even leaving the Eurozone.”

Possible but unlikely.

“A Eurozone breakup would be catastrophic for the Euro and even worse for the Italian Lira fallback.”

The reason why leaving the Euro Zone is unlikely.

“Alternatively, threats from Italy could push Germany into supporting debt comingling. But that would require a change in the German Constitution.”

Highly likely because that is the only road that Germany has to save its economy and position. Germany as a country is too small to go it alone economically and militarily and that is true of every other country in the EU. The UK could leave the EU because it is part of the much wider English-speaking world which also has a higher GDP than the EU. IT had options while the others do not.

“At a minimum, a government led by Giorgia Meloni will be another big thorn in the side of the EU.”

Liberal democracies are made up of thorns-in-the-sides. It’s one of the reasons why they work.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“Liberal democracies are made up of thorns-in-the-sides. It’s one of the reasons why they work.”
Yes, It’s how they are supposed to work, and will work if we change the monetary paradigm. And if we don’t we’ll just get continuing and worsening socio-economic and political disintegration. That’s history. Consult Michael Hudson and the late great David Graeber.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Yes. Both are economic historians and say that the solution to the world’s problems is are good dose of socialism and communism. That “paradigm” has been already tried in several countries and the result has been disappointing. I prefer to pass on them.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

Works well enough for the scandanavians… probably has to do with their version not being fascism in fancy pants.

Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Scandinavians are not as consensual as that. They just talk softer when disagreeing.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Scandinavia. Very low population plus enormous, hugely valuable natural resources. Pretty much anything will ‘work’ there.
Kind of like saying that monarchies work well because Saudi Arabia…
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Neither Socialism/communism nor capitalism are workable anymore and they are simply the palliative dualistic flip sides that Finance would love to have us puzzle/argue over for another 5000 years while they and their monopolistic paradigm for the creation and distribution of money, namely Debt Only would dominate every economic agent individual and commercial. The new monetary paradigm enables us to integrate the best, most workable and ethically satisfying aspects of that dualism. Paradigms are truly thirdness greater oneness phenomenons. The current monetary paradigm is the most underlying problem we face, and its resolution with the new paradigm is the thirdness greater oneness all well intentioned researchers desire.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Money is debt and debt is money. They are two sides of the same coin and one cannot exist without the other. You know you sound like LaMDA.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“Money is debt and debt is money. They are two sides of the same coin and one cannot exist without the other.”
That is current monetary orthodoxy, yes. Of course paradigm changes destroy current orthodoxies.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Money is just a word for transferable obligations and I doubt that your new “paradigm” will undo that. Since you explain nothing I have to conclude that you are talking unsophisticated gibberish.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Of course it won’t undo money’s transferability, that’s not money’s problem, but it will break up the private banks’ monopoly power to create money ONLY AS DEBT.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
You are still not explaining your position.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Virtually all of our socio-economic and political problems are ultimately held in suspension by the inevitable build up of PERSONAL and PRIVATE DEBT (government debt is just a side show that Finance perpetrates so as to set up another perpetually problematic dualism), and the only solution is a new monetary paradigm of Direct and Reciprocal Monetary Gifting strategically implemented at two efficaciously beneficial points in the economic/productive process. Everything else is many times regurgitated unresolvable problems within the current paradigm and/or palliative reforms that are easily gameable and hence never permanent.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
‘When a person of reasonable intelligence cannot understand what is being said, surely something is (very, very) wrong?’
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Wisdom insights, like new paradigm concepts are always and by definition deep simplicities. Lack of the integrative process that can result in wisdom insights and habituation to orthodoxies are the two primary reasons why people can’t/won’t receive such insights. Which one of the two is your problem?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Sprechen Sie Englisch, bitte! LOL
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Which one of the two is your problem?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Entschuldigung Sie bitte, aber Ich spreche kein Kauderwelsch. LOL
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Which one or both is your problem?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Beaucoup de Kauderwelsch je dirais.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
The Gibberish of obsessive argumentation over dueling unworkable orthodoxies is the worst kind.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Have you considered changing your moniker to NonSequitur? LOL
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Bitte in French argot means dick so you said “Do you speak English, dick?
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Money DOES make the world go ’round, and when we implement the new monetary and financial paradigm we will finally be able to utilize it to resolve our long term socio-economic and political problems and accomplish the general Good including the existential problem of climate change. That makes the new monetary and financial paradigm a mega paradigm change of which there has only been two in the entire history of the human species (#1 the mega paradigm change from mere individual survival to self awareness and hence the reality of morals and ethics and #2 the change from nomadic tribal hunting & gathering to agriculture, homesteading & urbanization.
amigator
amigator
3 years ago
You will never be able to stop climate change. Th climate has been changing ever since this planet was created and it is not about to stop now no matter what government or money system is in place.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
3 years ago
Reply to  amigator
That is true, but the man-made climate effects must be addressed.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
You’re wrong, but at least this time you decided to be coherent. Danke!

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