Biden Plays Mother Hen, Reduces Build Back Better Proposal to $2 Trillion

Biden Plays Mother Hen

In an attempt to appease the Progressives, Biden Says Democrats Should Delay Infrastructure Vote Until Deal Reached

President Biden called on House Democrats to hold off on voting on a roughly $1 trillion infrastructure bill until after they reach an agreement on a separate social-policy and climate bill, moving to again delay final passage of a central piece of his own agenda in a bid to unify restive Democrats. 

Even as Mr. Biden endorsed progressives’ push to hold up a vote on the infrastructure bill, however, he acknowledged in a closed-door meeting with House Democrats on Friday that the price tag of the social-policy and climate bill would need to drop substantially below $3.5 trillion to closer to roughly $2 trillion, according to lawmakers and aides.

Democrats initially had set the social-policy and climate bill at $3.5 trillion, though Mr. Biden told House Democrats that negotiations with centrists would likely bring its cost in the range of roughly $2 trillion, according to lawmakers and aides. Lawmakers said Mr. Biden mentioned possible toplines from the bill ranging from $1.9 trillion to $2.3 trillion.

Even a smaller bill can make historic investments,” Mr. Biden told House Democrats, according to two people familiar with his remarks.

Mother Hen

The whole reconciliation process started to unravel this week with moderates insisting infrastructure pass first and Progressives talking an all or nothing stance on price and the order of passage.

Biden tried to appeal to both groups. He sided with Progressives in that infrastructure will not pass stand alone. 

He sided with the moderates dropping spending from $3.5 trillion to 

What About Manchin?

Bernie Sanders wanted $6 trillion and Biden targeted 3.5 Trillion. 

Senator Joe Manchin said he would support $1.5 trillion. Arizona senator Kyrsten Sinema is still a budgetary unknown. 

Bear in mind these amounts are in addition to $1 trillion on infrastructure.

Biden is pressing Manchin for an additional $0.4 to $0.8 trillion over his long-stated $1.5 trillion.

Will Manchin Go Along? The Progressives? 

My best guess is yes to both in the range of about $1.95 trillion.

It will be a huge waste of money and inflationary at least initially. 

But even if we assume something like that will pass, the nature of the climate deal and how fast clean energy demands phase in will determine the nature of the stagflation/recession outcome.

Nothing Beats Nothing

None of the packages being debated are better than doing nothing at all. And as long as the Progressives and Manchin hold firm, nothing will get done.

Yesterday I commented: Unfortunately, I suspect there will be a compromise by Manchin and a package closer to $2 trillion will get passed with Sanders and AOC screaming every step of the way, until something is approved.

Mother hen has now given up on the whole hog, so here we are.

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Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
Manchin is from West Virginia. West Virginia should be renamed Byrdville as this red state has long been dependent of federal dollars coming into the state…
mumbaicallgiragency
mumbaicallgiragency
4 years ago
Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
OT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqxAJKy0ii4  Squid Games. Korean dystopia saga. Very high dept in Korea now. Korea is in deep Kimchi
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
I am on the road and have been since Monday. In Ouray Colorado on Autumn photo trip. Colors are fantastic. Was up at 5AM and Just back to the room around 8PM. Very long day and no time to do another post. 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Hope you’re getting some time in the hot springs.  Ouray is a favorite…….. I always need to relax there after driving over Red Mountain Pass, which is not a favorite, for this flatlander.
mrchinup
mrchinup
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Love that area all kinds of things to see and do. 
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
4 years ago
people in pax amerika seem to have come to their senses.   better to build and improve roads and give kids free food and all of us free money,   than to give trillions and trillions to military grifters to bomb and build and bomb and build from indochina to iraq past 50 years.     not really like this is a stretch or anything too complicated.    the whole D v R show is just for theatrics about which folks get to skim some and get the power trip by delivering the goodies.   
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
The irony is a lot of Trump voters said they would have voted for Bernie had he been running agaisnt Ttump.  Trump increased the deficit by more than any president in history. It is telling.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
A ‘lot’ would be how many, exactly?
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
4 years ago
all theatre by Ds.   they have the majority and manchin and sinema are just being protected as they are Ds representing very red states.    horse trading and theatrics.   it’s what democracy in a constitutional republic has been all about for 2 thousand years.    the bills will pass.   
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Which party adds more to deficits?
Hint: it’s the Republicans
Tax Cuts Do Not Pay For Themselves

Both the Bush and Trump administrations argued that “tax cuts pay for themselves” as each passed significant tax cuts soon after taking office. The https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/sites/default/files/briefing-book/taxes_and_the_economy_1.pdf suggests that this logic is faulty, as tax rates in the U.S. aren’t high enough to produce significant behavioral changes when they are reduced, and typical reductions aren’t large enough to have immediate impacts. Instead of spurring economic growth and thus more revenues, tax cuts simply increase budget deficits.

The discussion surrounding taxes and budget deficits tends to re-open every election season, as Republicans and even some https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/pete-buttigieg-calls-deficit-reduction-swiping-bernie-sanders-n1133206 worry about large deficits and a growing national debt.

While Republicans often claim that they are the more fiscally responsible party, my research suggests otherwise. Compared to Democratic presidents, Republicans are estimated to add between 0.75% and 1.2% more to the deficit (as a percent of GDP) each year they are in office. This result controls for economic conditions, and explains 75% of the variation in the annual changes to deficits.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
I look forward to the taxpayer revolt, it will be reality….
no person raising a family should pay a penny to raise some other mans family….
who makes this stuff up, politicians….
the only reason dumbocrats want this is to feed serfdom….its what they do best…..
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
You are paying either way. It is a question of if you want to live in a a civilized society.
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
I just want to know what’s in the new proposal.

ANyone have a link?

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
They have to pass it first. Then, they will tell you what is in it, and what is taken out.
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Had to upvote your comment.

Because it’s just true.

whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
It will have mostly the pro big business stuff.  The stuff that provides direct support to the people, will be what gets taken out.   And that is how it will get reduced to 2.0T or 2.5T – or whatever that number is going to be.

However, big business has no problem with the bipartisan infrastructure bill because it is almost entirely filled with goodies for them.   That is why 10 or so Republicans voted for it and made it bipartisan.

Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Its telling that business associations are now lining up for these bills. Usually they are against them and stand with Republicans. I think all that changed on January 6th. 
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
I see Biden’s position as clowns to the left of him and jokers to the right, there he is stuck in middle with few (including me).  Biden was always a centrist at heart politically closer to Manchin or Synema than AOC or Bernie. In the end Bernie will be happy with something Manchin settles for.  In other news, it looks like some Republican seats in New York and California will eliminated in redistricting. According to those that draw the lines, the Republicans are on the retreat even in red states trying to defend than attack. It turns out most of the population growth has been in blue areas in red states. This will be enough to make the house a tossup in 2022 along with the senate. Alito’s speech on the heartbeat ruling in Texas is also going to ignite more Democrats in red states to vote. 
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
You truely see yourself as a centrist???
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
It isn’t a perception. It is a reality. This is despite being in the top 1% of incomes from working (not investments).
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
It’s your perception of where you are and not a reality. To really know where you are in the political spectrum you would have to know how the majority of other people rate your preferences and you cannot know that unless you have a poll taken which I doubt you have done. How we see ourselves can often be very different from how others see you. In your local group of friends you might be a moderate but compared to the population in general you might be seen as radically left for example.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
dream on democrats are losing independents at 100 to 1 click with their insanity right now, any Taxpaying citizen that votes for them should have to pay for all the others who didn’t. I’m glad you like sociopaths with few economic or financial skills outside of taking money from corporations and pushing it all on taxpayers. Sheep think illegal aliens and the trillions down the line it costs taxpayers is cool too…
yet not one can show me a receipt for paying for all this….they are living off those who work or built the country… pink pony liberals, show me the receipts!!! $100 says you can’t
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
28 local tech start-up CEO’s have written an open letter here urging Texans to join the Austin Tech Alliance in a big get-out-the vote campaign for the mid-terms…and it’s all about the Republican social agenda around voting and abortion. 
Imho, the state level is where things have gotten so screwed up here. At one time, a guy like Manchin would have fit right in here in Texas politics…but now he’s too moderate.
I can’t believe I live in a time when a self-made small-time coal trader millionaire would be considered too moderate to be a Republican, but that’s where we are. 
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Texas has turned into the bizarro world. From its conservative Democrat roots to then moderate Democrats and Republicans and now Taliban Republicans. I grew up there and it was always a ‘do as I say not as I do’ place when it came to Republicans who are mostly baptists. The largest number of girls getting abortions at high schools were baptists. You knew it because they disappeared for a week or two after being perfectly fine going into a weekend. 
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
I hate to prick your bubble, but you are so far to the left, the center is out of sight.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Well, US has moved so far to the right that, by European standards, Bernie Sanders is to the right of a “conservative” like Angela Merkel of Germany.  
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
The guy that caused people to choose “freedom” over vaccines because he lost and wanted the next administration to fail is now blaming the Biden administration for anti-vaccine sentiment while telling Yahoo Finance he got the Pfizer vaccine and is open to getting the booster. You cannot make this stuff up.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
4 years ago
Casual, what do you think of my 50% discount/rebate policy at retail sale? It integrates and enables the most cherished aspects of the economic agendas of both repubs/libertarians and the left. It would almost miraculously integrate price and asset deflation into profit making economic systems. It immediately doubles everyone’s purchasing power and paired with a $1000/mo. universal dividend at age 18 would enable us to eliminate virtually all payroll taxes for welfare, unemployment insurance and even social security. As a kicker its cost cutting for businesses would enable us to re-industrialize in the most technologically efficient and ecologically sane way possible. 
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
4 years ago
Trump is in the age group that benefits the most from getting vaccinated. People younger than 30 years old are more vulnerable to severe effects from the vaccine (permanent bodily damage and death) than severe effects of COVID. The risks of severe vaccine side effects and COVID hospitalization are about equal in the 30-59 year group. So Trump’s choice to get a booster is following science, as well as his message of “freedom to choose” for those younger than 59.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
The future of farming in a changing climate looks a lot like the way the Netherlands grows food, imho, which is in massive greenhouses that have climate control. Right now we’re getting a preview of what happens to that model when abundant energy is not available to make it happen.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
In other news I see that 28 tech CEO’s I Austin have written an open letter protesting the recent Republican led legislation passed to make it harder to vote….and harder for women to get abortions.
They’re promoting the Austin Tech Alliance’s plan for a massive get-out-the-vote campaign going into the mid-terms.
This could matter.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
There is plenty of energy. Ban trading in energy and commodity derivatives and you will get a picture of the real price of things. Right now the price of everything is being driven not by actual demand and supply of underlying commodities but by derivatives traders, speculators and hedge funds because money is effectively free for them. 
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
I think someone forgot that it takes energy to grow food in the world today.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
The way it looks to me, the way stocks reversed yesterday off the Merck pill news, we didn’t really get enough of a correction to mean much. We still do have all of October, which is enough time for a final parabolic melt-up leading to a real correction…..if the PPT doesn’t buy the whole market to prop it up.
I was discounting that possibility for the most part, but I could see it happen, given the unknowns out there……on the other hand the Merck pill might be the way we finally deal with COVID and get to move on….which would be very bullish for the economy right now.
Lots to consider. I am now long 13 energy stocks and plan to hold them long term. I’ll probably wait to see if we get a correction before adding. Bullishness in oil price this last week meant that most oil company stocks held their previous levels and even ended green for the week. If oil price collapses that also would mean a buying opportunity for my plan. With a multi-year outlook I’m looking to add on weakness, not on strength.
I might also buy Silverlake Capital on a correction. I think they are poised to do very well, and it’s a way to have some upside from cryptos without having to own bitcoin, which I hate. Silverlake will make money from crypto whether bitcoin goes up or down.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
the pill is after you get sick…
the game changer if the data confirms it would be Vaxart,  its pre-virus blocker that could provide immunity 18 years out based on where virus is….
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Biden’s party could lose in the midterms unless he passes an executive order to take $10K off each student loan debt.  
If they are smart, they will do this in October, after first extending the student loan pause from Jan 2022 till the end of the year.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Works for me. More bread and less circus. it is a pretty blatant way to buy votes, but Democrats specialize in that anyway. I support baling out the students, but not bailing out any banks that might still be holding student loan paper.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Republicans don’t believe in vote buying ? 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Not in the same way as Democrats, in my view. They don’t have to buy votes, they just pay lip service to cutting taxes for the middle class, and repeat a few well-oiled conspiracy theories.
The Republicans do spend a lot of money on TV advertising that consists of button-pushing attack ads and that sort of thing……but the main thing they promise is tax cuts……too bad they don’t deliver, except to their donor class.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Exactly.    It has been true from the days of Reagan, if not earlier.   In the 1980s, the Republicans lowered the tax rates from 74% to 25% for the rich, even as they screwed the poor and the middle class by raising SS taxes, taxing tips and SS income and unemployment benefits, and also eliminating the deductions on credit card and car loan interest payments.  
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
you know the debt went up under Reagan right ? He was the start of the era of big government deficit spending. The irony of it is all is the free stuff era started under a Republican president. 
During Reagan’s presidency, the federal debt held by the public nearly tripled in nominal terms, from $738 billion to $2.1 trillion. This led to the U.S. moving from the world’s largest international creditor to the world’s largest debtor nation.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Of course, I do know that Reagan tripled the national debt, adding more to the national debt than all his predecessors COMBINED.   AND… it was ENTIRELY because of tax cuts for the rich, because he actually increased the taxes on the poor and the middle class.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Bailing out students for their poor decisions does NOT solve the problem. In fact, a bailout of student loans, or ‘free’ tuition makes the situation even worse–there is zero accountability and zero risk. The only solution that works is to make the colleges responsible for their end-product. Colleges MUST guarantee all student loans used at the college. This way, the colleges will offer degrees/courses that will help students graduate and get well-paying jobs. The educational bull$hit will end in short order.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
As I have written here and elsewhere, ad nauseam, the vast majority of student defaulters are not college graduates, but dumber, poorer people who get sucked into private trades school scams, that promise a lot, and deliver nothing int the way of employment skills. An awful lot of them are black….and so are the financial predators who have learned to game the educational loan system. A conduit scheme to make certain politically connected people very rich. Sound familiar? 
The average defaulter owes about 10K and that money will never be collected, so why leave it on the books anyway?
At this point the debt is such a bad overhang that it  is stifling the economy. I think we’d get a decent return on our money for bailing out student loans, which have been priced way too high for students for many years….. at over 7% when car loans were as low as 2%. It was clearly gouging.  It’s gotten a little better but those in debt are still paying ON AVERAGE between 5.28% and 6.28%. If student loans had not been made impervious to bankruptcy, it would have been mostly cleared out already.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
If the money is not going to be collected then how is it a bad overhang on the economy? The overhang can only be on students who are paying, not those who are not paying.
I’m 100% against student debt forgiveness unless you are also going to mail a check for 10K to anyone who paid theirs off and another 10K to me for my daughter who will be in college in a few years so she too can get 10K worth of free college. In other words all students, past and future get 10K or no students get it, not just deadbeat students.
Instead what the government should do is step in and mandate an interest of 0% on the loans. So students can’t fall further behind in payments but can eventually pay what they owe even if it takes years and decades. A 0% mandated interest would also kill the student loan industry (because who would lend at 0% other than maybe the government) which is an added bonus.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I’d be okay with that approach.
anoop
anoop
4 years ago
makes me feel queasy.

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