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Bureaucrat’s False Promise: Take Two Covid-19 Shots And We Will Reopen

Fury Over Lockdowns 

Global markets are reeling in the wake of more lockdowns and threats of them.

The Economist (paywall) notes surge of deadly covid cases in Europe is met by popular fury over lockdowns.

The sight of 40,000 unvaccinated Austrians marching through their capital, Vienna, in recent days was troubling twice over. The tightly packed opponents of lockdown measures were at risk of spreading the coronavirus. They also threatened to stir up an already tense political situation. Karl Nehammer, Austria’s interior minister, warned that anti-vaxxers in the Alpine republic are growing more radicalised. He called the demonstration’s mood “incensed” and “aggressive”. Some protesters were extremely provocative, carrying placards likening Alexander Schallenberg, Austria’s new chancellor, to Josef Mengele, the sadistic physician at the Nazi concentration camp in Auschwitz.

The protesters were marching against Austria’s increasingly tough measures against anti-vaxxers. On November 22nd the government imposed a full lockdown once again, to last for at least ten days. That compels Austria’s 9m people to hunker down at home, leaving only for work, essential shopping and exercise. Austria is also the first Western democracy to make covid-19 vaccinations mandatory for all, starting on February 1st 2022. “For a long time—maybe too long—I and others assumed that it must be possible to convince people in Austria to get vaccinated voluntarily,” said Mr Schallenberg when he announced his “very difficult” decision.

Let Our Guard Down

The Washington Post (paywalled) reports ‘We let our guard down’: Frustrated Europe heads into second pandemic winter

Life was finally starting to feel normal. An online flier for an October party in this Belgian beach town cursed the coronavirus and invited people to dance and drink again, to “get your clacker back from the attic” and kick off Carnival season.

Hundreds attended that event and another Carnival party the next night. Most of the town is vaccinated, and people were required to show proof, or a recent negative test, to enter. But it wasn’t enough. Coronavirus cases spiked the week after. Officials worried about pressure on the local hospital. And soon the town found itself under semi-lockdown once more.

As Americans catch up with family and friends this holiday week, with some trepidation about enduring risk, Europe is facing another wave of the virus — and a gloomy and frustrating second pandemic winter.

New Heavily Mutated Covid Variant

CNBC reports Belgium Confirms Case of New, Heavily Mutated Covid Variant.

The emerging variant arrives in Europe amid an already devastating Covid surge linked to the delta strain. Europe saw more than 2.4 million new Covid cases over the week ended Nov. 21, an increase of 11% from the previous seven days, according to the WHO’s most recent epidemiological update.

Europe represented 67% of all Covid cases reported globally during that span, the WHO measured.

Belgium tightened restrictions this week to stop the spread of the virus, requiring people to work from home four days a week through the middle of December. Austria started its fourth lockdown of the pandemic on Monday, with a nationwide vaccine mandate scheduled to take effect on Feb. 1. Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg has said that the lockdown will last for at most 20 days.

New Lockdowns and Restrictions

  • Slovakia declared a two-week lockdown on Wednesday. People can leave home for a limited number of reasons, including buying groceries, going to work and to school, and getting vaccinated. And starting next week, all workers will have to show they’ve been vaccinated, recovered from the coronavirus or had a recent negative test.
  • Austria, imposed a lockdown that will last at least 10 days and up to 20. 
  • The Netherlands ordered bars and restaurants to close at 8 p.m.
  • Belgium has mandated that all but essential employees work from home four days a week. Belgium also reinstituted an indoor mask mandate this month.
  • Merkel pushed for a German lockdown as its death toll passed 100,000.
  • The U.K.  halted flights from six countries in the region, and European Union member states have collectively agree to pause travel to and from southern Africa.
  • Singapore banned flights from southern Africa
  • Japan is increasing border controls for travelers from the region.
  • Italy requires proof of vaccination or recovery for access to many parts of public life. Vaccination restrictions fcome into effect on December 6 and last until January 15.

Mess in Germany 

Eurointelligence comments on Germany’s Federal Virus.

The massive outbreak in Covid-19 hospitalizations and fatalities in Germany raises disturbing questions about who is in charge. Having failed to achieve the right levels of vaccine procurement early on during the pandemic, the German authorities have repeated the same mistake. They did not procure the booster shots they needed. They have not set up a network of vaccination centres to deliver them rapidly.

As of this weekend, only 11.4% of the population has received booster shots. It is very difficult to get an appointment. Only doctor’s surgeries are allowed to deliver them. The network has not been expanded to pharmacies. 

So why is this happening again? The answer is that the German healthcare system, well-funded as it is, is not set up for a pandemic, or indeed for public health emergencies in general. This is a publicly-funded, but privately run, healthcare system. The states are in charge of the local healthcare administrations and hospitals. Health insurance is a matter for the federal government, but states supervise the health insurance companies. What can possibly go wrong?

Message From German Stats

In Germany, over 45% of people hospitalized for Covid-19 are fully vaccinated.

That last stat sounds more shocking than it really is. Germany is 68% fully vaccinated. Thus 55% of the hospitalizations cases come from 32% of the population.

Only 11% of Germany received a booster. Given vaccinations wear off, the proper take away is get a booster, not flout the stats. 

Vaccine Mandate US

In the US, the Biden administration imposed a vaccine mandate vis OSHA on companies with more than 100 employees.

On November 15, I noted Appeals Court Blocks Biden’s Vaccine Mandate in a Blistering Rebuke

The rebuke was a huge attack on the competence of Biden’s mandate. My position, upfront was the mandate was unconstitutional. 

Given multiple attacks on the mandate, jurisdiction, the case moved from the 5th Circuit to the 6th Circuit, where Biden doubled down. 

On November 23, I commented Biden Doubles Down on Vaccine Mandate With Another Circuit Court

The justice department files an emergency motion with the 6th circuit court arguing the 5th circuit’s postponement of the OSHA vaccine mandate was unjustified

I strongly suspect the 6th Circuit will reaffirm the previous ruling.

Meanwhile, protests or not, mutations go on and on. 

What Covid Lockdowns and Disruptions in Europe Signal to the U.S.

False Promise

“Take two shots and we will reopen society. That turned out to be a false promise.”

It’s been one false promise after another, by Dr. Fauci, by Trump, by Biden, by Merkel, globally everywhere.

Trust is essentially gone and rising protests are proof. 

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Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
The Covid vaccines are not completely safe, they are killing some people and damaging some people but far less than Covid by a couple of magnitudes. What I find extremely annoying is being forced to be vaccinated after having had Covid. The narrative being pushed by big pharma and supported by the US gov is really a suspension of reality. And now the BS about pFizer’s booster being great for omicron? Please, people here in the US need to get boosted for the remaining delta if they so desire. Forcing vaccinations on the younger populations not at risk from Covid smacks of sacrificing a small percentage of the youth to save a few old folks. Really annoying how we can’t have nuanced discussions about how to best escape this pandemic and our mainstream media and government are simply operating as mouthpieces and an enforcement arm for big pharma.
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
For those who say that vaccines are safe and effective, yes, they may be effective at reducing the Covid deaths (I shall not hear any idiot saying “prevent”, THEY DON’T). Because they ARE NOT SAFE enough, people across many countries are founding mortality rates in the vaccinated population is HIGHER than in those unvaccinated. Here is a parliament member who commissioned a study in the German lands.
Physicist Dr. Ute Bergner, Member of the State Parliament, hands over study on excess mortality to Thuringian Minister of Health Heike Werner

Ute Bergner commissioned two statisticians to find out whether there is a correlation between excess mortality and the vaccination rate in the federal states.

Ute Bergner; until the end of the FDP parliamentary group in the Thuringian state parliament. Now: Party Citizens for Thuringia:

Bergner:
“The excess mortality increases with the increase in the vaccination rate”.

She hands over paper with sources and methodology and asks to stop the pressure on unvaccinated persons immediately.

the scientists Prof. Dr. Rolf Steyer and Dr. Gregor Kappler also concluded that excess mortality in Germany is closely related to the vaccination rate.

“The correlation is + .31, is astonishingly high and above all in an unexpected direction. It should actually be negative, so that one could say: the higher the vaccination rate, the lower the excess mortality. However, the opposite is the case and this urgently needs clarification. Excess mortality can be found in all 16 German lands. The number of Covid deaths reported by the RKI in the period under review represents only a relatively small part of the excess mortality and, above all, cannot explain the critical issue: the higher the vaccination rate, the higher the excess mortality. “

Webej
Webej
4 years ago
The Netherlands ordered bars and restaurants to close at 8 p.m.
Actually, everything but essential services closes at 17.00
Few people believe it will achieve anything, since most of the hospitalized are >80 years old, and these are not the people attending QR code constricted sports practices, dancing or restaurant venues. But they do go to unrestricted supermarkets, stores, and public transit (masked).
There are also some signs the latest wave is already topping.
This is exactly the season that normally sees corona virus prevalence.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Feel free to kill your economies.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
4 years ago
It’s not anti-vaxxing when the reason for going unvaccinated is due to the fact mRNA vaccines has shown to cause severe life changing effects, including death. For some people the risk of adverse events is worse than getting the virus itself. Masks and social distancing have been far more safe that vaccination. So wearing a mask and social distancing should be policy until the safer Novavax becomes available.
CRS65
CRS65
4 years ago
Every body who is medically cleared to get the vaccine, get the mRNA vaccine and get boosted every six months.  Don’t do this just to help protect yourself, do it to fight against virus replication and to minimize the frequency of mutations.  Its that simple and it needs to happen world wide!  There are no guaranties when it comes to a mutating viruses so science will always need to react and adapt.  However populations staying vaccinated is the only way to tamp down transmission, replication and mutations.
Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
Reply to  CRS65
This is an animal reservoir organism. By your logic we would also have to vaccinate every critter associated with this organism.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
That is a valid point. Covid has been found in pets. It’s even been found in wild deer and they can’t figure out how they became infected. 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  CRS65
Wrong!  Go read my post above, which explains that it is the VACCINATED that are the cause of mutations.  Avoid those people at all costs!
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Reply to  CRS65
CRS65, your advice is simply idiotic, pardon my language. It is effectively you telling the world “stop washing you hands, just take a pill”.
Masks, hygiene and distancing are the best tools out there…. and Western world returns to them right now.
Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
If this so called pandemic were serious there would be serious corroborating data everywhere. If so called vaccines were effective there would be serious corrobarating data everywhere.
oee
oee
4 years ago
The vaccines did work. However, you have massive disinfomration by Fox, OAN, and Facebook including talk show hosts, and certain preachers to denounce vaccinations and convince the rubes to not vaccinate themselves. This includes states who are suing the Biden Administration against the mandates.  If you look who are the dead and the hospoitalized and re the unvaccineaded. if fact, the reasons for the muations are the unvaxed and something called evoloution. 
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  oee
Dr. Hoffe discovered that 62% of his Covaxxed patients had blood clots.
Misinformation is coming from the public health agencies. The Covax is not safe and effective, as they claim. We know there are a number of deaths that have occurred shortly after people have received the shot.
The spike protein is a pathogen. Pathogens cause disease. There were some 20 Covax caused diseases listed in a slide from an FDA presentation on October 22, 2020.
People are not given informed consent. They are only told, safe and effective, which is a marketing slogan. People are being sold a narrative, not informed of the facts, so that they can make an informed decision. If you bought the marketing slogan, it is you that is the rube.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  oee
Now start at the top of the comments (sort by oldest first) and start reading.  You might learn enough from what has gone before to avoid making more uninformed postings.
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
4 years ago
It is still early days.
UK Cardiologist:
Covid: Report reveals increase in risk of heart attack following the mRNA COVID vaccine.
5-fold increase in sudden cardiac deaths of FIFA players in 2021
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
Speaking of the UK:
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Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age
And have been for six months. This chart may seem unbelievable or impossible, but it’s correct, based on weekly data from the British government.
Alex Berenson
Nov 20, 2021
amigator
amigator
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Very interesting.  Do you think that this might be as simple as those that got vaccinated are already in high risk category where the non vaccinated are in good health and no major health issues?  And hence has nothing to do with vaccine? 
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
4 years ago
Reply to  amigator
Amigator, These issues will be sorted out in time. As I posted above these are still early days. We have a lot more to experience yet.
Plus, there is the unscientific highly politicized crowd like oee above that inhibit intelligent discussion.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  amigator
Also 10 – 59 is a wide range. I suspect there are a higher percentage of vaccinated 59 year olds than 10 year olds, only guessing though. 
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
More evidence slowly emerges that the shots may be dramatically increasing heart attack risk:
This is what happens when you rush out an untested vaccine and force billions to take it. And anyone who refuses gets labelled an “anti-vaxer” and has their freedoms taken way.
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
False promises or goal changing in an uncharted fluid environment.  
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Eddie_T provided what looks like a very good link down in the replies.
Here is the URL directly to the Minnesota Dept of Health data regarding vaccine effects (missing: Minn’s pop is 5.6 million):
Good info is hard to come by.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
Good info is often suppressed these days, by politicians with agendas. Too bad every state isn’t tracking COVID this well. They could be.
I always look for  the best data I can find. I don’t write the articles or manage the websites. You’re very good with interpreting data, better than I am. But I can see the big picture most of the time. Most people can’t tell the difference between decent information and pure BS. We live in a time of…..”who can post the most links” that support their pre-determined POV.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
Those numbers are way low.  Some others to consider:
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SARS-CoV-2 Infections and Hospitalizations Among Persons Aged =16 Years, by Vaccination Status — Los Angeles County, California, May 1–July 25, 2021
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Hospitalisation among vaccine breakthrough COVID-19 infections
Published: September 07, 2021
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We did a systematic review of patients admitted to hospital with SARS-CoV-2 (confirmed by a positive PCR test at the time of admission) between March 23 and July 1, 2021. SARS-CoV-2 vaccination status was recorded, including the specific vaccine type (mRNA-1273 [elasomeran; Moderna], BNT162b2 [tozinameran; Pfizer–BioNTech], or Ad.26.COV2.S [Janssen]) and vaccination dates.
….
172 (18%) of 969 patients had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine at the time of admission to hospital. Among these patients, 103 had received a partial vaccine course (one dose of BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273), 15 had received a complete course (two doses of BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273 or one dose of Ad.26.COV2.S within 14 days before symptom onset or a positive PCR test), and 54 were fully vaccinated (appendix pp 1–2). Patients deemed to have a breakthrough SARS-CoV-2 infection—ie, the 54 patients who were fully vaccinated—were evaluated for illness severity. Among this cohort, we found that 25 (46%) patients were asymptomatic (admitted to hospital for a non-COVID-19-related diagnosis but with an incidental positive PCR test for SARS-CoV-2), four (7%) had mild disease, 11 (20%) had moderate disease, and 14 (26%) had severe or critical illness. Among those with severe or critical illness, the median age was 80·5 years (IQR 76·5–85·0); four of 14 patients required intensive care, one required mechanical ventilation, and three died. Pre-existing comorbidities in the 14 patients with severe or critical illness included overweight (body–mass index >25 kg/m2; n=9), cardiovascular disease (n=12), lung disease (n=7), malignancy (n=4), type 2 diabetes (n=7), and use of an immunosuppressive agent (n=4; appendix pp 3). 13 of 14 patients had received BNT162b2 (appendix p 1–2).
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And here’s a good story by Politico on data collection problems from a few months back.  GIGO.  Making decisions with bad data leads to bad results.
Inside America’s Covid-reporting breakdown
Crashing computers, three-week delays tracking infections, lab results delivered by snail mail: State officials detail a vast failure to identify hotspots quickly enough to prevent outbreaks.
By ERIN BANCO
08/15/2021 07:00 AM EDT
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Man, looking at those links is like looking inside an occupied padded cell. 🙂
The CDC page was a monument to the gods of unread-ability. (I gave up.) But it looked like yet another report of an amplifier set to 11.
The DOI/Lancet one had such small numbers it bordered on anecdotal information.
I didn’t bother reading the Politico one because it seemed to be confirmation of what was painfully obvious by May of 2020. Remember that little flash-in-the-news about the Trump people telling some statistic-reporters to report to someone else? What little I read about that in the media told me someone in the White House saw the problem and was just trying to get the number-reporting people off their duffs and on the dime. Nice try. What was the White House gonna do? Fire them?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
You really should read the Politico story.  It is especially good and again, illustrates how most of the reporting and scaremongering is being done using questionable, incomplete or downright bad data.
Almost 1000 people isn’t a “small” study.  A small study might be under 50 people, IMO.  Would it better to have a study with 50k people?  Of course.  But as the Big Pharma companies have show us with their Covid studies, it is easy to manipulate any study to get almost any result you want.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
More [bad] data:
———-
Why you cannot trust US Covid data
In Connecticut, fully vaccinated people are rising from the dead
Alex Berenson
Nov 15, 2021
Unlike England, or Scotland, or Israel, or Germany, or many other countries that have semi-functioning governments, the United States has no nationally reliable source of Covid or Covid vaccine data.
Our famed Centers for Disease Control has turned out to be less famed than infamous. It has failed in every conceivable way since February 2020. Some inconceivable ways too. Worse, in the months since Joe Biden staggered into the White House, the CDC has slipped from mere incompetence into actively twisting science for its new political masters. It has become a true Dept. of Pandemia. (More on this to come.)
In place of centralized national data, we have state health department reports. The states are probably about as competent as the CDC overall, but a bit less political. Maybe.
They also run their own immunization registries and also closer to the local hospital systems and coroners that report Covid deaths. So their five o’clock folly body count reports go through a little less truth destruction.
….
Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
This study shows a cherry picked 5 month time frame. It also shows very low incidence of cases and death for all age groups. It shows a higher death rate for the age group 65+ that has higher death rates for all causes anyway. Also this study does not contain an overlay for other mitigating causation such as poverty, access to healthy food or healthy living environment. This study starts with “COVID-19 vaccines are effective.” and graphically does it’s best to demonstrate it. Notice the root word of Demonstrate is Demon.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
For back-of-the-envelope/Internet-comment use, we should probably just use vaccination numbers for those over 65.
Numbers without that restriction? Too many chances to include irrelevant data and/or to go apples-to-oranges without knowing it.
PreCambrian
PreCambrian
4 years ago
Someone needs to decide what the goal of the Covid response is and then decide on the responses. I haven’t heard a clearly articulated goal. I would think that maintaining hospital bed availability above a certain level would be a proper goal. Then based upon the present hospital bed availability restrictions would be imposed, starting with masks, then limiting bars and restaurants, then limiting other social interactions. Since I believe in the vaccine based upon the data but given the hard headedness of the anti-vaccine movement I am anti-vaccine mandate, then I think that perhaps it is time to have a $5,000 – $10,000 deductible on Covid healthcare expenses for those not vaccinated. However since higher healthcare rates for other behaviors such as smoking or drug use are no longer allowable I don’t know if that approach is legal or not.
My other suggestion is that the United States has wasted hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars on some questionable stimulus funds so I don’t understand the reluctance to just pay for the vaccine for countries that cannot afford it. The cost of the vaccine is relatively reasonable by US standards, I don’t think that we are getting ripped off in this instance by vaccine developers/manufacturers, so just buy it and distribute it worldwide. I think maintaining the (reasonable) profit motive is worthwhile.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
A Different Perspective: How Threat-Free Are Americans from Covid-19?
26 Nov 2021
by Jon Sanders via AIER
At present, based on the most recent government data, only about three Americans in a thousand could conceivably transmit Covid-19 to someone. In other words, nearly 99.7 percent of people in the United States are currently no threat to anyone of spreading the virus. And despite the large case count, 24 out of every 25 cases are recovered, meaning not only that those people are no longer threats, but also that they now have the strongest form of immunity against Covid-19.
Those numbers may sound counterintuitive — or at least counter to the usual presentation of official Covid numbers. From the outset, media reports on Covid-19 have been calculated to stoke fear. Whether out of sensationalism for clicks, desire to shape political outcomes, or panic in the pressrooms, media have offered an unrelenting diet of terror about the pandemic with little to no context. Experts spoke with impressive unanimity; anyone who dissented, regardless of impressive credentials, was quickly canceled. Economists who could discuss tradeoffs in policy choices were made especially scarce. For the 24-hour, round-the-clock news consumer (an incredibly self-defeating habit for anyone concerned about health), it would be impossible to escape the conclusion that death stalked us at every corner, let alone every restaurant table and school desk.
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Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Three quarters of a million dead people beg to disagree. 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Again, for the thick skulled, that is less than 1/4 of 1% of the total population.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
 reporting Covid deaths was and continues being big business, hence those inflated numbers
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Mostly because they were denied early outpatient treatment, with anti-viral drugs. Most died as collateral damage due to a public health agency vaccine only agenda.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
New Lockdowns and Restrictions”
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C’mon, what’s that old saying about repeating the same things and expecting different results?
Lockdowns, mandates, masking, social distance, etc. haven’t worked before across multiple tries.  Time to give up.  Let the virus rip, get rid of the weak hands and then we can renormalize.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
It’s pretty clear that lifting restrictions in Germany is exactly what has stoked their current crisis. That and thirty percent unvaxxed, many of whom are older and at high risk for morbidity and mortality.
Here, the lockdowns were short, very mixed in terms of exactly what the guidelines were, and travel was never seriously restricted. So we don’t even know if lockdowns were effective or not . The real truth is that they were probably somewhat effective.
We’re as normalized as we’re likely to get. I wouldn’t look for it to get more normal until the virus does commit suicide by mutating rapidly into less viable forms.
I love how the word COVID brings out the trolls in force.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
We understand Eddie.  it’s got to be hard to accept that everything you thought was good and right concerning Covid has just been blatant lies.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
In Belgium, the region called Flanders, where I live, is very proud of its 95% vaxxed adults, the french speaking part, (Wallonia) was rather reluctant to get the shot, with some outright repression though, a 70% rate has now been achieved.  Covid has been raging for weeks now,  it is STRIKING and of course not mentioned by our corrupt msm, that the least vaxxed region is doing MUCH better ! 
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago

People are really tired of covid of course and many also
believe that lockdowns do not prevent spread but only slow it down. Another
factor is that front-line workers who make up the bulk of the protesters are
directly hurt by lockdowns more than those who work in offices. In France the
covid passport is widely not checked no matter whether you go to a café,
restaurant and even to a hospital. Governments in some countries faced with
this large-scale non-compliance  have resorted to locking everyone out. Austria
shut down everything… except for the ski resorts. Where is the logic in that?
At present levels I would say that enough people are willing to just see it
through feeling little can be done. The new strain, Omicron, if it turns out to
have significantly higher lethality may change that view but that remains to be
seen. Focusing on vaccines as the only way to beat covid has been problematic.
If the new variate has arisen from an immunodepressed individual who had been
vaccinated before then that would put into question the value of non-sterilizing
vaccines in controlling the pandemic even if they prevent most deaths and sever
illness. We would be acting like bats in a cave in China, chronically infected
but still able to fly. That is not the vision we had when the vaccines came
out. Fortunately a lot of research has been ongoing on the treatment side and
as you can understand why, it has been kept out of the public light. Scientists
have learned that journalists are their worst enemies. Even if Omicron is worst
that the delta covid, it will run into a wall of new treatments and perhaps
better vaccines.

davebarnes2
davebarnes2
4 years ago
The problem is that we (as a society) are too nice to the unvaccinated.
We should, in my opinion, deny them hospital care for Covid. Let the “die with dignity at home” holding their tube of Ivermectin.
pimaC
pimaC
4 years ago
Reply to  davebarnes2
haha!  ‘course if you have Ivermectin you won’t need to go to the hospital, nor will you die.  Instead, you will recover and have naturally acquired immunity.  Japan turned around a surge in new cases in August by allowing doctors to prescribe Ivermectin.  Now their new cases are near zero.  Same thing happened in Uttar Pradesh, an Indian state of 230 million people.  Their new cases stay very low.  Indonesia dropped their new cases to near zero by using Ivermectin.  Meanwhile 100% vaxxed Gibraltar and Singapore have large numbers of new cases.  The way we end this pandemic is with safe effective treatment protocols.  We will get to herd immunity that way.  Naturally acquired immunity lasts decades and is effective against all variants.  The “vaccines” are effective for a few months at best and only against the one variant that the mRNA causes your own cells to produce the spike protein of.  We should be doing both, employing safe effective treatment protocols and vaccinating, but Big Pharma won’t have it.  So we continue to suffer while the smart countries, the ones who actually look at the science instead of taking their orders from Fauci, the FDA, CDC, and WHO, are done with covid.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  davebarnes2
Thankfully, your opinion is of no matter to anyone else.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  davebarnes2
if only I could get hold of a tube of ivermectin, I d feel much safer when contaminated by a fn vaxxed sheep !
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
I brought mine on Amazon.  I want to get some fluvoxamine but will likely need to order it from India.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
 Hi Jojo,  All I see here in Europe is ivermectin for animals, cats dogs pigeons etc…  So please tell me, how, where and what exactly did you buy,  Thanks a lot .  
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
I brought the horse version.  It’s the same drug.  You just have to reduce the amount you take in proportion to your bodyweight when/if you get the virus.  Now, if you are looking for a prophylactic (i.e. taking a small amount daily) as a possible preventative) then best to buy the pills.  You should probably be able to order these over the internet from places like India, China or Russia. 
hmk
hmk
4 years ago
The question I have that I have not seen definitely answerd anywhere is, was this virus released from the Wuhan bioweapons lab as a genetically engineered gain of function virus.  I suspect the answer is yes.  It’s doing what it was designed to do and what is the end result.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
My comment went to moderation. We’ll see if it turns up.
My point is that from the US data, serious breakthrough illness is still a vanishingly small cohort. You don’t get that POV from most media these days. Not all the states even collect data on breakthrough infections. Only fifteen do it in a methodical way, and their findings are worth looking at. For those who do not have their heads hidden where the sun doesn’t shine, I recommend reading this.
I’m getting my booster next week.
Europe is only 70% vaxxed and the US is only 60% vaxxed. That should be seen as a terrible public health failure, given how easy it is to get vaccinated. You can’t expect great results when large portions of the population insist on doing the wrong thing, out of some misguided sense of personal choice.
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
email your comment and I will post it.
I have no control over this comment system. 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Don’t worry about it. But thank you.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Eddie, that article is dated July 30, 2021. Do you have something more recent?
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Here’s a newer one from Minnesota only.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Thanks
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
This Minnesota Dept of Health bar chart and line graph sure look like good stuff! The overview lacks that Minnesota has 5.6 million people.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
Yes, but it’s only one state. Too bad politics has prevented every state from keeping up with the data.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Well, let’s be fair. It may not be politics. 🙂
Yeah, you’d think other states would emulate the good guys. Though, we can speculate the way people implement HIPPA may be a factor. After all, faxing everything by carrier pidgin isn’t that easy. 🙂
I’d sure like to see a public data stream that had serious information on every person who dies inside the US. In as close to real time as can be.
But, then, I’d like regulatory agencies to be completely reorganized to lose their vertical integration. Let’s have an agency with police powers to gather and publicly publish raw data. The rest of the agencies tasks could live in a competitive world, sorta like the Post Office. … Maybe. Maybe a bad idea.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
Reliable and timely data collection is vital and many people assume that it is being done somewhere by a government agency but it wasn’t before the pandemic. The CDC, the FDA and others agencies did collect data but unfortunately much of it was not either transmitted to other agencies or if transmitted at all would come in a form that could not be plugged into the other agency’s data systems. I hope that many of these problems have been corrected but one can’t be sure. 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
As the coronavirus’s more infectious delta variant continues driving up caseloads and hospitalizations throughout New Mexico, increasing numbers of the ill and hospitalized are fully vaccinated people, state health officials said Wednesday.
Acting Health Secretary Dr. David Scrase said immunity to the virus begins to wane 5 ½ months after inoculation, which adds to the rise in so-called breakthrough infections. They now make up 28 percent of new COVID-19 cases and 23 percent of hospitalizations.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
83% of Covid-19 Deaths and 67% of Hospitalisations were among the Fully Vaccinated during the past month in England
BY THE EXPOSÉ ON NOVEMBER 12, 2021
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Listen one more time, Jojo….Vax rates in England are 91% for 12 and over . There are very few unvaxxed people left…so of course whatever hospitalizations and deaths do occur, it HAS to be among the vaccinated. There’s essentially almost nobody else left.
This was my point exactly.
Btw, COVID deaths in England are less than a tenth what they were at the top of the last peak in January of 2021.
Ooohhh Expose!
You just can’t fix stupid.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Or you could understand that these figures prove that these shots are not working.
Go get your booster.  Perhaps you will be the next statistic.  I am certain that few will shed any tears.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
You should have just linked to the official report which can be found here: 
It is much more detailed and explanatory an avoids the hyperbole. For the fact that most people who have died recently of covid even if vaccinated the reports adds a note which must be taken into account when reporting deaths and covid in highly vaccinated populations. 
“In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large
proportion of cases, hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the
population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective. This is especially true because vaccination has
been prioritised in individuals who are more susceptible or more at risk of severe disease. Individuals in risk groups may also be
more at risk of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die with COVID-19 rather
than because of COVID.”
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
That’s a bulls**t warning that they have been using for sometime to cover for these sorry leaky vaccines.  There are two main issues here:
1. The mRNA/DNA vaccines use your own cells to generate spike proteins that attempt to train our immune systems to recognize Covid virus.  This is a deficient solution in many ways.  For example:
    a. Focusing on the configuration of spikes in the spike protein is a partial solution.  The virus could mutate and then the immune system won’t be trained in recognizing the new config unless you get a new shot/booster that retrains the body.
    b. Causing the cells to do something unnatural like make a target for virus discovery training risks the possibility of the cells themselves becoming targets of the immune system, thus resulting in an increase of autoimmune diseases where the body attacks itself.
         1. In my readings I have not been able to discover if the spike protein is ejected from cells with a “pop” after manufacture or it slowly breaks through.  If the latter, then this increases the possibility of the immune system attacking cells.
    c. Naturally developed immunity does not restrict itself to a single surface protein configuration.  It considers/takes a variety of “samples” of the virus to construct a much more robust solution. This is why natural immunity is so much better than any Covax immunity.
2. We do not know enough about how DNA or our complex biological system work to be messing around and changing how our basic components work.  Western medicine looks for point solutions to everything.  Blood pressure or cholesterol too high?  Let’s make a drug to lower it.  Have “heartburn”?  Make a drug to reduce acid., etc. 
Of course these approaches to simply reduce or change a body component always come with a long list of potential side effects.  Making our cells do something like become a target for the immune system in all likelihood will cause multiple and major problems.  I could write pages more but this should give people some food for thought.
davebarnes2
davebarnes2
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
The takeaway.
The data reported from these states indicate that breakthrough cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are extremely rare events among those who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19…. 
✺  The rate of breakthrough cases reported among those fully vaccinated is below 1% in all reporting states, ranging from 0.01% in Connecticut to 0.54% in Arkansas.
✺  The hospitalization rate among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 ranged from effectively zero (0.00%) in California, Delaware, D.C., Indiana, New Jersey, New Mexico, Vermont, and Virginia to 0.06% in Arkansas.
✺  The rates of death among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 were even lower, effectively zero (0.00%) in all but two reporting states, Arkansas and Michigan where they were 0.01%. “
shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
Reply to  davebarnes2
Those stats aren’t relevant.  It’s rates of hospitalization and death compared to not being vaccinated that matter.
Mike 2112
Mike 2112
4 years ago
Reply to  davebarnes2
And yet 45% of hospitalizations in Germany are ppl who are vaxed.
Why the wildly different results between the US and Germany?
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike 2112
Glad you asked that. It’s complicated. Here’s some perspective.
But the takeaway is:

This considerable proportion of the population who are not vaccinated (or not fully vaccinated) plays a major role, as the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), the government agency for infectious diseases, told DW: “This also applies to the elderly, who have the highest risk of death.” Among people over 60, more than 3 million people have not yet been vaccinated.

Most of the deaths related to COVID-19 can be traced back to unvaccinated people, RKI statistics indicate. And according to intensive care medics, 90% of the COVID patients in ICUs in Germany are unvaccinated. The RKI says the https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Steckbrief.html;jsessionid=7DC3BD40D364789653ED9844E0F11F1F.internet102?nn=13490888#doc13776792bodyText12 for COVID patients in the ICU once they go on a ventilator, whether vaccinated or not.

So in essence, Germany is facing the same mortality rate as last year — but with many more times the number of infections, and for the great majority among the unvaccinated.

Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Your brain has gotten you lost in percentages and not understanding magnitude of numbers.  Not unusual.
First, less than 1% (VERY SMALL NUMBER) of Covid infected wind up in the hospital, a statistic I have previously posted here multiple times.  Second, the vast majority (VERY BIG NUMBER) of the unvaxxed who happen to get Covid will come through it, recover and get on with their lives.  Third therefore, the very, very, very small number of unvaxxed in the hospital is of little overall import.  Fourth, the unvaxxed who don’t die from Covid (remember VERY BIG NUMBER) who recover will have much stronger immunity against ALL future variants of Covid than any jabberwocky person.  Fifth, at least 50% of the breakthrough infections are the “immunocompromised” (shouldn’t they really stay home?).  
Immunocompromised people make up nearly half of COVID-19 breakthrough hospitalizations
August 20, 2021
Jonathan Golob – Assistant Professor of Infectious Disease, University of Michigan
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  davebarnes2
OK, assuming we take you figures as valid (which they aren’t), then why worry about anything?
After all, it is just the unvaxxed that are suffering and when enough of them have died, all that will be left is the pure vaccinated.  The world will be good then, yes?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Latest Lancet Study Exposes Limits Of Vaccines At Preventing COVID Infection
Friday, Oct 29, 2021 – 05:45 PM
The Lancet has just released another study comparing the efficacy of COVID vaccines to the efficacy of protection provided by previous COVID infections. Their conclusion: while vaccines lower the risk of infections with the delta variant within households, those who are fully vaccinated are still vulnerable to a ‘breakthrough’ infection if somebody they live with gets infected.
What’s more, people who have been vaccinated against COVID can be equally as infectious as the unvaccinated, the study showed.
The new study, which was published Thursday in the Lancet, the British medical journal that published some of the earliest research on COVID, is one of few to use detailed infection data from actual examples of household transmission, and it showed that – as we noted above – the viral loads of both vaccinated and unvaccinated patients infected with COVID are “broadly similar”.
….
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Eddie_T: That http://kff.org page has the same problem you’re fussing at JoJo about: In effect, they report the False positive and True negative numbers for a medical test and call it a day. When we do that in Internet comments, it’s not so bad. Everyone makes mistakes. But when someone is trying, really trying, to get good info out and botches the job so egregiously … yeah.
Such botches are common enough to be the rule. Such is the most fascinating thing about this whole, worldwide Covid thing. Far more important than the disease, I think.
But, hey, cue the old jokes about the sequence of writings from scientific finding to USA Today article (or to, God help us all, political pundit).
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
The bottom line is that few vaccinated people really get very sick, and that most of those who do have underlying co-morbidities and are often exposed to the virus by unvaccinated people in their acquaintance. You can nitpick from now until kingdom come, but that won’t change the takeaway.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Wrong again.  As I posted above 50% of the multiple vaxxed who suffer a breakthrough infection and are hospitalized are immunocompromised.  That isn’t “few”.
Now, explain to me why vaccinated people would be buddying around with unvaxxed COVID INFECTED people that they might catch Covid from?  Wouldn’t those unvaxxed people be sick in bed or at home?
How it actually works is that the vaccinated do tend to get less sick when they get infected by Covid and as such, this enables them to continue working/shopping, living their lives while acting as a disease vector to both the vaxxed and unvaxxed.
Whoops.  Lost again Eddie.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
JoJo and Eddie_T, you guys seem to be in violent agreement. But maybe I’m reading wrong and am just in amicable agreement with you both.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
No, not at all.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Um, Jojo, I count 7 possible meanings of “No, not at all”. 🙂
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
I’m definitely getting my booster next week.
It’s worth noting that overall only something like 70% of Europeans have been vaxxed and only 60% in the US. This is part of why vaccinations have not worked as well as they might have. Considering how easy it’s been to get vaccinated, this represents a sad state of affairs for the West. 
In the US only about half the sites are collecting data on breakthrough infections. The real data is quite encouraging, fwiw, and NOTHING like what the anti-vax trolls are saying.
  • Half of states (25) report some data on COVID-19 breakthrough events (see Table 1). Twenty-four provide data on breakthrough cases, 19 on hospitalizations and on deaths.
  • Fifteen of these states regularly update these data, often on a weekly basis. The rest use a different frequency, have one-time reports, have stopped updating, or have an unclear reporting frequency.
  • The data reported from these states indicate that breakthrough cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are extremely rare events among those who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 (see Figure 1). The rate of breakthrough cases reported among those fully vaccinated is below 1% in all reporting states, ranging from 0.01% in Connecticut to 0.54% in Arkansas.
    • The hospitalization rate among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 ranged from effectively zero (0.00%) in California, Delaware, D.C., Indiana, New Jersey, New Mexico, Vermont, and Virginia to 0.06% in Arkansas. (Note: Hospitalization may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)
    • The rates of death among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 were even lower, effectively zero (0.00%) in all but two reporting states, Arkansas and Michigan where they were 0.01%. (Note: Deaths may or may not have been due to COVID-19.
And don’t forget that breakthrough infections among vaccinated people HAVE to be expected to rise as populations approach 100% vax rates. Nobody else is left in that circumstance.
Another point that the math-challenged group misses is that hospitalizations and deaths  among vaccinated people with breakthrough infections  are NOT all COVID related anyway.
The CDC says that as of July 19, of 5,601 hospitalized breakthrough cases, 27% were asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19 and of 1,141 fatal cases, 26% were asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.
This is just US data, but it shows how much of what we read is pure BS……being  spread by people who are basically clueless………because we’re a nation social media driven idiots who can all find something to support whatever particular POV we want to believe.

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