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California Bill Would Let Wildfire Victims Sue Oil Companies for Damages

Idiots never learn. And California is loaded with idiots.

In the latest bit of California nonsense, California considers letting wildfire victims sue oil companies for damages

Oil and gas companies would be liable for damages caused by climate change -related disasters in California under legislation introduced Monday by two Democratic lawmakers.

The proposal, introduced by two Democratic lawmakers, claims that the oil industry intentionally deceived the public about the risks of fossil fuels on climate change that now have intensified storms and wildfires and caused billions of dollars in damage in California. Such disasters have also driven the state insurance market to a crisis where companies are raising rates, limiting coverage or pulling out completely from regions susceptible to wildfires and other natural disasters, supporters of the bill said.

Under state law, utility companies are liable for damages if their equipment starts a wildfire. The same idea should apply to oil and gas companies, said Robert Herrell, executive director of the Consumer Federation of California, “for their massive contribution to these fires driven by climate change.”

If approved, California would be the first state in the U.S. to allow for such lawsuits, according to the author.

“We are all paying for these disasters, but there is one stakeholder that is not paying: the fossil fuel industry, which makes the product that is fueling the climate change,” state Sen. Scott Wiener, who authored the bill, said at a Monday news conference.

Expect a Swift Trump Response

Trump should respond with a demand to stop such nonsense, and up the price for any Federal aid.

California has wasted tens of billions of dollars on a train to nowhere while spending almost nothing on brush clearing.

ABC7 reports Another $100 billion needed to complete California’s bullet train project.

“It’s never going to get built,” Republican State Senate Minority Leader Brian Jones said. “It’s never going to come to San Diego. It’s never going to come to L.A., and it’s always going to be $100 billion away.”

Completed

Image from New York Post, annotations mine.

“1600 feet of high speed rail after 9 years and 11 billion dollars it takes about 5 minutes to walk 1600 feet so a high speed rail for that is a really big deal,” added Markus, who also goes by “Shibetoshi Nakamoto.”

California High Speed Rail Authority later clarified that the project took three years to finish, and that it was actually completed in 2018. Here are more Images on X.

Hi, to clarify, $12.5 billion has been spent to date for the entire project, not just one structure. That figure includes construction, environmental clearance, planning, design, etc.

Bear in mind, the entire project was supposed to be completed decades ago at a total cost of $40 billion.

Environmental nonsense, not climate change is responsible for this fire. It would make more sense to let citizens sue the Sierra Club for fighting prescribed burns rather than oil companies for this disaster.

How about prosecuting state and local officials for criminal negligence?

The Los Angeles mayor let a reservoir run dry and cut back of fire spending.

Petition to Recall the LA Mayor Due to Gross Neglect and Mismanagement

On January 10, I commented Petition to Recall the LA Mayor Due to Gross Neglect and Mismanagement

The City of Los Angeles cut funding for its fire department and allocated thousands of dollars to various progressive programs, including a “Midnight Stroll Transgender Cafe” and a Gay Men’s Chorus.

Los Angeles allocated $100,000 to the Civil + Human Rights and Equity Department for a “Midnight Stroll Transgender Cafe,” according to its 2024 to 2025 budget.

Similarly, the Cultural Affairs Department Special Appropriations budget allocated $100,000 for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) Awards.

The budget also appropriated $8,670 for the “One Institute the International Gay and Lesbian Archives.”

The ONE Archives at the University of Southern California (USC) Libraries currently has an exhibit titled “Sci-fi, Magick, Queer L.A.: Sexual Science and the Imagi-Nation,” which focuses on the occult and “the LGBTQ movement.”

The budget also allocated $13,000 for “Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Heritage Month Programs” and $14,010 to the “Gay Men’s Chorus of Los Angeles.”

California Priorities

  1. CBS News: Audit finds California spent $24B on homelessness in 5 years, didn’t consistently track outcomes
  2. ICYMI: Newsom Extends Free Healthcare to 700,000 Illegal Immigrants Despite Record Budget Deficit
  3. Leader Jones Urges Governor to Save over $4 Billion by Freezing Undocumented Immigrant Medi-Cal Expansion in the Midst of a $68 Billion Deficit
  4. FAIR: Illegal Immigration Costs California Taxpayers Nearly $31 Billion a Year
  5. LAO: Medi-Cal Budget is $161 Billion
  6. In 2014, California voters approve $7.5 billion water bond of which none was spent. SacBee asks California voters OK’d billions for water projects. Where are the new dams, reservoirs?
  7. Gavin Newsom announces $3.2 billion “to completely eliminate traditional fueled vehicles in the state so we never have to suffer through the images we’re seeing in the East Coast of the United States any longer.”

Some may dispute the cost of point four. Fine, so plug in your own number.

Let’s Discuss Governor Gavin Newsom’s Los Angeles Fire Fact Check

On January 11, 2025 I commented Let’s Discuss Governor Gavin Newsom’s Los Angeles Fire Fact Check

Newsom brags about spending $3.8 billion on fire management while spending $24 billion on homeless, $4 billion on Medi-Cal expansion to illegal immigrants, and an amazing $161 billion for a single year of Medi-Cal of which Lord only knows how much is fraud and waste.

Now the idiots want to blame the energy companies.

It would be fitting justice if they stopped delivering all gasoline and jet fuel to California.

Dear governor, your own fact list says you are a miserable failure with piss poor priorities. Please apologize, then resign.

More California Facts

April 28, 2024: Chipotle CEO on Menu Prices “California Isn’t Making It Easy”

Higher state minimum wage went into effect April 1; chains say burritos and burgers are getting more expensive in response.

May 20: California Governor Escalates the War on Gasoline Impacting Neighboring States

Prepare to pay another $1 per gallon in California with higher prices in Nevada and Arizona too.

June 15, 2024: Twenty Percent of California Lives in Poverty, What’s Going On?

On a cost-adjusted basis, California leads the nation in percentage living in poverty. Blame the Progressive oligarchs like Governor Newsom.

December 6, 2024: California Reaffirms an Open Arms Invitation to Illegal Immigrants

Protests based on the “California Values ​​Act” which limits state cooperation with federal immigration authorities are underway.

June 17, 2024: Hoot of the Day: California Proposes Restraining Orders to Stop Thieves

More and more headlines look as if they are from the Babylon Bee. Let’s discuss the latest idiocrasy from la-la land.

If the Federal government gives any help to California, it should demand California stop all of the permitting and environment nonsense while mandating prescribed burns and proper forest management.

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snake
snake
1 year ago

California is retarded. Climate change in the fashion and way they describe it, IS total bullshit. Bass and Newsome should face criminal indictment for at least 25 cases of manslaughter, due to gross negligence. Maybe FEMA will give the homeowners $750 and tell them all to fuck off like they did to N.C.
Now if we could just get rid of Communist Brandon Johnson, Maybe Chiraq will have a chance…

HubrisEveryWhereOnline
HubrisEveryWhereOnline
1 year ago
Reply to  snake

Didn’t you see the news? Trump (not Biden) just visited NC and is thinking about eliminating FEMA completely (so no help in the future to places like NC). Oh well, I’m sure we can all pay our own way

Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago

Trump wants to distribute money grants to the states after disasters and let them hand out the money and organize all assistance. He can then save the salaries that FEMA pays its people.

However, most states simply do not have the expertise or resources to manage disasters as competently as FEMA does.

Abolishing FEMA is a foolish idea!

Richard F
Richard F
1 year ago

Report was Trump ordered turn on water flow from N. California to S. California.
What that entails, was not reported.
Shows Californians there is an alternative to what they have been told.

At some point, given high level of malfeasance, it is probably within his power as President to intervene in California’s State government. That would be a direct conflict with his general policy direction of returning decision making to States.

So for now it still remains up to people who vote in California to make decision as to how they want their State run. Since it is getting painful to live in California recalls of Politicians would be gaining momentum and not be so far fetched.

CzarChasm Reigns
CzarChasm Reigns
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard F

Just Trump taking credit for something that never happened:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/california-denies-trump-claim-us-military-turned-water-state-2025-01-28/

Conservatives know what is best everyone, including liberal states.

HubrisEveryWhereOnline
HubrisEveryWhereOnline
1 year ago

Thanks for the news link with the actual information and actions that occurred, as opposed to the political posturing above

corvinus
corvinus
1 year ago

At this point how much trust is there is legacy media when the bias is so in-your-face?

HubrisEveryWhereOnline
HubrisEveryWhereOnline
1 year ago
Reply to  corvinus

Yeah, trust is in the eyes of the beholder.

I try to keep an open mind. But CzarChasm Reigns provided a link from a known news source with quotes from specific people and agencies that could be verified. Richard F referenced a “report” (with no links) and notes the detail “was not reported”. Between those two POVs, I’ll go with the former. But to each, his own.

Richard F
Richard F
1 year ago

Article was on zerohedge earlier today.

Did watch new press secretary this evening.
She attributed the water getting turned on to Army Corp of Engineers.

Also a post by DOGE on X said Dept of Interior is in charge of Federal pumping and Monday doubled the amount of water pumped to Southern California.
It would appear any water flow restrictions came under Biden Administration jurisdiction. Whether that was requested by California or not is unknown. Since Newsom had in place higher priorities then sufficient water supplies to Southern California such as smelts habitat, people can draw their own conclusions.

HubrisEveryWhereOnline
HubrisEveryWhereOnline
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard F

Oh, it was on ZH; that straightens everything out.

I guess only abortion is a states right issue; and water management is not a states right issue. Good to know there’s not hypocrisy in the current administration. Thanks

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago

Reuters is lying. They are globalist compliant. They will help WEF graduate and CA Governor Newsom. Reuters “article” is exactly the wording of Newsom’s press release.

Last edited 1 year ago by Angry Senior
Richard F
Richard F
1 year ago

Guess that will be found out soon enough. If there is water where there was none, gonna be pretty hard to deny.
Water being fairly hard to disguise.

Richard F
Richard F
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard F

Would add, those posters from California are welcome to report what they see with own eyes on ground in California.

Richard F
Richard F
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard F

Wouldn’t be the first time Press lies to cover for Progressive Governance failures.

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard F

Follow my posts and you’ll get truth. I provide links, if approved by MishTalk.

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard F

50% of our fresh water is immediately dumped into the Pacific Ocean. 10 years ago, Californians approved a Proposition 1 to increase water storage, repair water infrastructure. Since then, only about half of that money has been spent, with zero update or forensic audit on the rest of the money. No updates since 2017 on any project; none has been completed thus far.

Richard F
Richard F
1 year ago
Reply to  Angry Senior

What I came across, that pumps could double flows without any problem, suggests strongly it was a political decision to restrict water availability.
Would Army Corp of Engineers be consulted when increasing flows is desirable?
They are in charge of much of the US Watershed Drainage and that should apply to California as well. Army Corp of Engineers would know if existing Water Storage Capacity was sufficient to accomplish the goal and be sustainable.

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago

Wrong. There IS a spigot and the Feds turned it back on. Unsure if it would help L.A.’s fires, as hydrants ran out of water in 1961, also. Back then, and since then, Democrats in charge.
https://calmatters.org/environment/water/2025/01/trump-orders-central-valley-water-la-fires/

https://www.lafra.org/lafd-history-bel-air-fire-56-years-ago-november-6-1961/

HubrisEveryWhereOnline
HubrisEveryWhereOnline
1 year ago
Reply to  Angry Senior

Huh? I thought the super Republican Reagan was CA governor during that time period

RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago

“Mud covers Topanga Canyon Road…”

Speaking of Topanga Canyon, an amateur botanist got a project to replace wooden power poles with steel and widen fire roads halted, as a rare shrub inhabited the area being worked. Don’t know how many of the shrubs survived the fire.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ

If Californians are lucky it will be none. So the build back can be done with steel/concrete and wider roads.

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Nice idea, but Canyons aren’t all wide enough. Some are narrow, only allowing for 2 lanes of traffic and maybe a left turn lane.

DaveFromDenver
DaveFromDenver
1 year ago

No politician ever got reelected by preventing problems. Only by promising to fix problems. We have gone over the edge and I don’t see any way back.

RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago

The 1961 Bel Air fire. 1977 or 78, from Pasadena City College, i watched a fire climbing along the mountain north of the city, probably within miles of the 2025 Eaton fire in Altadena. Santa Ana winds and brush fires have been an issue the whole time i’ve lived here, almost 50 years. This isn’t the first Santa Ana wind fire in the Palisades in that time, just the worst. A small tight low pressure system rotated against a much larger high pressure system, causing causing highly accelerated winds on January 6. Winds were coupled with it being the driest winter since records were kept.

Saw an article about 2 fire experts, one from Montana, the other from Phoenix, who visited the Palisades 6 years ago and made recommendations to mitigate fire danger in the high risk community. Apparently, their recommendations were largely ignored. The politicians introducing the bill against oil companies, is scapegoating them for political purposes.

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ

I lived through the Nov. 1961 Bel Air fire, also. The winds were occasionally strong enough that smoldering wood shingles fell onto our lawn, on the Valley side. Those were outlawed, thankfully, but the problems with hydrants running dry – has not been fixed since 1961. L.A. a union and corrupt City (for many decades) has been run by Democrats. Riordan was our last Republican mayor in a long time, but he had to deal with the ’94 Northridge quake and the L.A. riots.

Pokercat
Pokercat
1 year ago

I’m not a fan of big oil but this is nuts. We use fossil fuels because they’re cheap if the price quadrupled or more it wouldn’t be long before replacement fuels were being used.

John Tucker
John Tucker
1 year ago

Its not their fault. Its all San Andreas’ fault…..

Steven Rowlandson
Steven Rowlandson
1 year ago

Let’s suppose that the suit is brought to court and the plaintiffs win. The next day the oil companies close up shop and go out of business continent wide. Congress establishes a moratorium on oil imports and bans the use of fossil fuels in the name of fighting climate change. Where does that leave America and those who would follow its example besides the early 18th century? Walking around, starving and or freezing in the dark?

Stu
Stu
1 year ago

Seriously… You will probably not even be alive, when (IF) someday The U.S. bans fossil fuels. You must be from Germany or UK as they do silly shit like that.

The suit is erroneously placed for starters, as it is meant to be. Draw attention away from the CA. Leadership, and their sheer incompetence. Oil companies would only be charged, imo, if something nefarious is going on here.

CA. Can’t afford this, so Newsom has to find a lap dog, and Oil Companies are it, in CA. Anyway. They hate Oil and perhaps this is designed to move them all, right out of the State perhaps? They can’t raise taxes any higher, they nail Gasoline use already Big-Time on taxes at the pump.

This may be the straw (Final Stupid Moment) that broke the back of “The Democrat Stronghold” on CA.? If I were a voting person in the State, there is no way in hell, I would ever vote Democrat again, EVER!!! Even the people Not paying attention, must see this crap going on. It’s utterly ridiculous!!

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago

Newsom has forced most out already. Chevron moved to Venezuela, and got a special permit to drill down there. Valero is now leaving So. California (former Shell refinery). Always look to the end goal to see what Newsom has planned. It’s not the right way to look at the problem, but it does direct you to how he thinks and acts.

The reason for ousting oil is “climate” but no one has explained, let alone Newsom, how Venezuela 3600 miles south of California – doesn’t have “climate.” LOL

He sends our toxic waste to other states for disposal, as they have less strict laws, and he can continue to call us green. WEF boy.

Stu
Stu
1 year ago

Too bad they can’t file one against “The Actual Perps” but hey, that’s California for you!!

tfourier
tfourier
1 year ago

For those unfamiliar with the background story the fault for the Palisades and Eaton fires is 50% state regulations / agencies , 50% City / County of LA.

California has been fire country for about 7 thousand years has droughts about one a decade and every 200/300 years suffers mega-droughts. Got zero to so with “climate change”.

Not surprised its Weiner as he is just as evil and corruption as Harvey Milk was. In Milks case he worked for Jim Jones ( yes that Jim Jones – Jonestown) in Wieners case its just who puts up the lobby money – he is purely Pay To Play. My guess is for the people who wrote the Bill it was worth a good $50K / $100K donations to some some dark money fund that Wiener has an interest in.

The CA state regs and agencies start with CARB the CalEPA (not forgetting EPA), The huge fuel loads in the mountains above Altadena and the Palliates were directly caused by a) CARB rules introduced in the 1990’s that made prescribed burns almost impossible. b) CalEPA rules that made maintenance of fire breaks / fire roads almost impossible. c) CalEPA and Coast Commission regs that made fore remediation very difficult / impossible if a coast area.

In the Palisades the Coastal Commission regs made it well nigh impossible to do even basic fire remediation. At least in LA County. Lots of recent stories about how this in the Santa Monica Mountains area. Santa Barbara and Ventura Counties effectively sidelined the CC after some recent very bad fires.

Altadena burned as far as it did because of total incompetence by the current LAFD leadership. These severe conditions happen about once a decade and the LAFD did zero prep, zero proportioning of fire teams etc unlike all previous occasions. None. At most they should have lost 200 / 300 structures, not 9000.

The Palisades fire burned as far as it did for the same reasons as Altadena but also because the primary wild fire fighting water reservoir was empty. Due to EPA regs and the Water Resources Control Board. The EPA Clean Water Act forced the LA DWP to put a plastic cover on the reservoir about 15 years ago. It soon tore. A bureaucrat in Sacramento at Water Resources Control Board forced the DWP to totally empty the reservoir while the cover was being repair.. Which due to state permitting process turned a 6 week project into 18 to 24 months.

Stupidity on top of stupidly on top of stupidity .

So when can fire victims sue CARB, CalEPA etc? There will be no serious change until whole layers of state agencies are gutted. Reform is impossible. For example they haven’t even had a single hearing in Sacramento about CARB regs roles in the last decade mega wildfires. Literally every state agency has been hijacked by doctrinaire eco-crazies. Or straight up corruption. CARB is part of a multi-billion $ p/a scam.

And so on.

Welcome to California. And yes, its always been like this. Even in the days of the Californios. Even back when ruled from Mexico City plenty of complaints from central government about those crazy people in Alta California and the crazy things they did.

Oracle
Oracle
1 year ago
Reply to  tfourier

Controlled burns probably would not have helped to reduce either the Palisades or Eaton fires. This is not to say they don’t have a role, as they are extremely helpful for conifer forests in the Sierra Nevada mountains, but in Southern California the chapparal landscape makes this very difficult. https://legal-planet.org/2025/01/10/the-fires-in-los-angeles/

tfourier
tfourier
1 year ago
Reply to  Oracle

In fact those southern slopes of the Santa Monica and San Gabriel Mountains are perfect prescribed burn territory. Until the 1990’s it was quite common to see smoke from small burns right before rainy season broke. They would burn through quickly purely fed by ground fuel / dead matter and non-fire resistant invasives leaving the larger healthy vegetation intact. But CARB made them de-facto illegal in all coastal Air Districts and 15 / 20 years later the really big high temp fires started burning through killing everything.

Back in the 1980’s you would also see dozer teams in the hills / mountains maintaining fire breaks / fire roads. Stopped by CalEPA. And see crop dusters flying along back county power line routes spaying herbicides to keep the corridors clear. Stopped by a Sierra Club sponsored Proposition,

So the usual story..

Voodoo Economics
Voodoo Economics
1 year ago

I actually have faith that Trump will straighten California out. And finally we will get Republican governor again. Even local reps that were blue turned red in 2024. Eventually the red will engulf what’s left of the blue because the Dems have mismanaged things so badly. The ugly truth for the Dems is they have no one to blame but themselves. You cannot constantly preach that government can solve all problems and not solve the problems and actually make them worse.

Last edited 1 year ago by Voodoo Economics
corvinus
corvinus
1 year ago

Dear gods I hope so.

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago

Wiener is a Marxist. The end goal is no private property, no private businesses. Newsom is a WEF graduate of their young global leader program. (2005) Everything he’s done to California, comes straight from their agenda.

The Dude Abides
The Dude Abides
1 year ago
Reply to  Angry Senior

Ah, the eponymous Mr. Weiner

jason
jason
1 year ago

Legit question, not being snarky…..why do they keep electing the same people in Cali ?

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago
Reply to  jason

We don’t.

We have mail-in ballots only, print your ballot at home, unmonitored drop boxes (no cameras), USPS theft and destruction (rare), Motor Voter law, ballot harvesting, heavy Democrat Zuckbucks spending to get Dems to ballot harvest and cure ballots, ranked choice voting (in some counties), Dominion, and in L.A. County alone, Smartmatic. NO ID required; and in fact, it’s illegal to ask for ID to vote.

“What could go wrong?”

You can go onto a City,County or State page on election night. Most races “being counted” but those with a check mark? Schiff, Pelosi, Lieu, Waters, etc. and now, Propositions.

California is run by corruption and criminality. Including, but not limited to Kamala, so thanks again for voting NO on her. (We hate her, and rejected her in ’20 by a 96% disapproval rating.)

jason
jason
1 year ago
Reply to  Angry Senior

I suppose that could be the case but for 30 years since Reagan they been cheating ? Cali has not been red since the 80s

Tom
Tom
1 year ago
Reply to  Angry Senior

Why do you stay there??? There are a lot of nice places to live in the US.

Stu
Stu
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom

Tom, I can’t speak for angry, but can you just pick up and leave where you live? People with Money can and many have, and many more to follow, but we are not talking about them.

The lower class in Ca. Which is massive, and especially when you count illegals, doesn’t have the means to do so. Many or even most, don’t have family or friends to help out. Many are homeless, or destitute, so no funds to even get started. Some of this is by design, to an actually keep them there, for voting numbers and population for amount of votes.

This is a very “State Run” place (wink,wink) where the inmates don’t have a say. “State Control” sees to that! You can vote, but yours doesn’t matter much, you can complain, but get in line and wait a few decades, you can take them to Court, but they own the “Outcome” so good luck with that way too…

They are stuck, against their collective will, unable to push or fight back, unable to leave without resources, and nobody on their side…

RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  jason

When i moved here, Burbank and Glendale were conservative communities. Both have since elected Adam Schiff to be congressman. The mayor of Burbank said he would not support Schiff for senator, unless he called for a ceasefire in Gaza. KTLA News gave Schiff a free in studio forum to make any claim he wanted, with no push back. Mayor Bass’s opponent for mayor switched from republican to democrat and Hochman switched from republican to independent to run against the Soros D.A. he defeated, even though Gascon grew more and more unpopular. Republicans just can’t get elected, though i think Hochman would have if he ran as one.

Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  jason

A lot of people here are house wealthy. Many homes are worth more than $1 million and this for smaller 2 bed/1 bath homes . CA also has large union constituency that votes Dem because they receive many benefits from Dem governments. And many government workers get insane pensions, which in conjunction with SS can give retirees guaranteed $100k+ income from the government.

All of this has built a large group of people who consider themselves to be very lucky financially and are socially pressured to “give back” and show sympathy for those less lucky. So these bleeding hearts vote for liberal Dems who then introduce and vote for all sorts of giveaways as they strive to equalize everyone.

They vote for things like elevating hourly wages for all low wage workers to help them try to obtain that mythical “living wage’ but only results in increased inflation as everything becomes more expensive, building homes for the homeless, coddling criminals and drug addicts, etc., etc., etc.

corvinus
corvinus
1 year ago
Reply to  jason

We have alot of fruitcakes of various types in this state they don’t agree on much except that they hate traditional culture and social norms.

robbyrob Im back!
robbyrob Im back!
1 year ago

meanwhile
Nvidia sheds almost $600 billion in market cap, biggest one-day loss in U.S. history

Voodoo Economics
Voodoo Economics
1 year ago

Good. Maybe their employees will actually start working again. Jensen Huang said the biggest problem he had at his company is people were too rich and comfortable. I know of multiple cases of people taking demotions in order to do less work and focus more on trading their stock. We need more days like this where companies at the top are shown that things can be done simpler, faster and cheaper.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago

Same thing happened at Microsoft in the 90s.

I knew quite a few people who used to tell me they were just ‘vesting shares quietly’ since they were already multimillionaires so had no reason to do much in their daily work.

HubrisEveryWhereOnline
HubrisEveryWhereOnline
1 year ago

“If the federal government gives any help to California…”

Personally, I liked Trump’s musings of an EO to eliminate FEMA while surveying the hurricane damage in NC. Give that money back to the individual states and then let them deal with their own damage internally? You know, that whole bootstrap model?

So if a state has a big disaster and can’t pay for it it’s own damage because the state has too low of taxes or spends its money elsewhere, those citizens just lose out and can move or vote in someone else.

But of course, if Trump goes retroactive with this plan, California will be owed A LOT of back taxes. Because it pays in WAY more federal taxes (and thus FEMA funds) than any other state (being the 5th largest economy in the world), and the cost for its current and past disasters and use of FEMA funds won’t be near what they have paid in over time.

But the rest of middle America (tornados) and southeast US (hurricanes) might be in trouble with the relatively low amount of per-capita taxes they pay to the federal government. Uh oh

Voodoo Economics
Voodoo Economics
1 year ago

Last I checked California contributed the most in federal taxes and got back the least after SALT was capped at 10K. I would be in favor of all 50 states being run like their own store. States have to balance their budget anyway. I say reduce federal taxes to 10% and let the states manage their own via their own tax structures.

John
John
1 year ago

Why doesn’t California cut to the chase? Just sue GOD and tie the Almighty up in court forever. God could have stopped all these problems but didn’t. How could these Politicians not thought of that before now? Go Big or go Broke.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  John

People have sued God before.

Problem is, if you win, what can you collect?

The reason they want to sue oil companies is because they believe they have money which they may or may not have depending on accounting tricks (of which there are plenty).

corvinus
corvinus
1 year ago
Reply to  John

We’d be better off deporting illegals and getting rid of banana republic style voting.

JayW
JayW
1 year ago

Isn’t there a petition gaining steam for Californication to secede from the USA?

Good riddance!

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago
Reply to  JayW

Did you miss the part where Kamala turned your State (or Commonwealth) Sanctuary?

My head wants to explode when I see stupidity like this. California is run by criminals, get it NOW? See my other post on our voting practices.

JayW
JayW
1 year ago
Reply to  Angry Senior

Mr. Angry,

I don’t live in CA and would NEVER live in CA.

Thanks!

Voodoo Economics
Voodoo Economics
1 year ago
Reply to  JayW

There is but it won’t go anywhere. Trump owns a golf course in LA along with other real estate. Instead of seceding, California needs to recall the governor and every representative that is blue.

Stu
Stu
1 year ago
Reply to  JayW

Unfortunately they can’t afford to, so it can’t and won’t happen.

robbyrob Im back!
robbyrob Im back!
1 year ago
steve
steve
1 year ago

Let them file a mountain of lawsuits at a cost of billions and LOSE every one of them!

Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  steve

Lawyers won’t lose. Do these legislators happen to be lawyers?

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  steve

Actually in California they’d likely win since that’s where the suits would be heard and you know there are plenty of loonies there who would believe it.

Problem would be in attempting to collect on any damages.

Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago

The American solution to all problems – SUE SOMEBODY!

Boneidle
Boneidle
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo

It’s always someone else’s fault.
The cry of the liberals. Plus of course
It’s the right thing to do.

Stu
Stu
1 year ago
Reply to  Boneidle

Don’t forget “It’s for The Children”

President Musk
President Musk
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo

I have my stinky guy sue everyone that hurts his feelings or tries to get an invoice paid. It’s hilarious!

DaveFromDenver
DaveFromDenver
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo

Great Idea! Let’s sue the Democratic Party and their accomplices, the Majority Media, for bankrupting Social Security and Medicare. There is $3 Trillion missing from the Trust funds.

DaveFromDenver
DaveFromDenver
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo

Great Idea! Let’s sue the Democratic Party and their accomplises, the Majority Media, for bankrupting Social Security and Medicare. There is $3 Trillion missing from the Trustfunds.

Frank L
Frank L
1 year ago

Trump upon meeting Newsom on the tarmac at LAX and being informed by the Governor, that the most expensive conflagration in California history is the fault of the oil companies, was heard to remark “That’s when I knew I was dealing with a f…ing idiot!”

Patrick
Patrick
1 year ago

Something about correlation not being the same as causality …

babelthuap
babelthuap
1 year ago

It will be shot down in a blaze of glory.

Garry
Garry
1 year ago

Let us know when the bill passes?

realityczech
realityczech
1 year ago

This is why I’ve been saying that booting Newsom and Bass isn’t enough. We have to get rid of all incumbents in the state legislature and assembly, followed by a culling at the county and city governments. The rot goes down 50 feet. Getting rid of bad top soil isn’t going to fix the problem.

CCC and CEQA must be gutted.

Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  realityczech

Sure but difficult here in CA where Dems have a supermajority in the legislature and Republicans are totally ineffectual. We need Trump to send in some Republican troops to teach our s how to campaign.

realityczech
realityczech
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo

I agree. Will losing 13000 buildings, most of which were people’s homes and apartment buildings, be enough for Californians to pull their heads out and see the damage we have done to ourselves? We have been proven fools over and over again by charlatans like Weiner, Gavin, Karen Bass, Chesa Boudin, Pamela Price, Gascon, and on and on.

Will the wealthy Dem party donors from Palisades wake TF up and realize they’ve been conned by the same people they supported? Hopefully rebuilding will be painful enough that these nimrods finally see they’re responsible for the absurdity they now have to deal with.

We’re going to find out either way relatively soon.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago
Reply to  realityczech

No.

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago
Reply to  Sentient

And what part of California do YOU live in?

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago
Reply to  realityczech

Yes, new polls show even L.A. has been red-pilled by the fires.

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo

Ineffectual when the D’s in the legislature turn their microphones off, scream at them and ask the Senate guards to remove them. Refuse to hear their bills in Committee. MANY good bills have been put forth by Republicans.

Sadly, these fires have red-pilled many. It’s good in the long run, but horrific in what it took to get there.

The Dude Abides
The Dude Abides
1 year ago
Reply to  realityczech

Agree 100%, reality.
I have had the displeasure of working on federal grants in Cali. Environmental compliance is an important requirement for any federal award, but California and their CEQA (California Environmental Quality Act) takes it well beyond reasonable. Typical federal requirements are to comply with the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), but to also comply with applicable state and local requirements. CEQA is much stricter than NEPA. Plus, Cali uses a State Clearinghouse for environmental compliance, so all projects get routed through their state review system. I am aware of wildfire reduction projects that have taken months and even over a year to go through the environmental review process. Trump just signed an Executive Order directing the Dept of Interior and OMB to intervene and develop California’s water system, in part to improve wildfire fighting capability. The President has the authority to waive environmental review requirements for federal projects, and that is needed in Cali. I wonder if the State will try to fight and say the feds can’t waive state requirements.

Avery2
Avery2
1 year ago

You had me at “California”.

JJK3
JJK3
1 year ago

So, while we know that anyone can sue anyone it still requires proof that “climate change” has been caused by energy companies and if that is successful, then further proof that the energy produced did not offset the alleged losses over time. Here’s a distillation for the geologic case that, while CO2 is a factor in climate, along with methane & wae-ter vapor, it is nowhere clear whether it is positive or negative:
About 400 million years ago the Earth first began to see the appearance of “Vascular” plants, i.e. those with thick stems and leaves capable of storing water. These were subject to the same photosynthetic process that creates CO2 from the atmosphere as the plants grow then returns it when the plants die. But the decay of the dead plants took longer than with grasses etc., so the return of CO2 took longer. Over time these plants were buried as nature took its course and instead of complete breakdown and a normal return of CO2 to the atmosphere, the decay was interrupted at various levels and created what became Peat and Coal that remained under the Earth’s surface until humans came along. This era is known as the Permo-Carboniferous Ice Age and is where we got our original fossil fuels. The point is that CO2, methane & water vapor are the most active greenhouse gasses and while changing the mix will almost certainly change the outcome for earth’s atmosphere, the process of photosynthesis can and does work in both warming & cooling periods and there’s no science that has uncovered the mechanism that will create that change much less predict the direction it will take. In addition, the process can take hundreds of thousands of years to play out. All of the laws of man can never alter nature and man’s appearance on the planet is but a momentary blip in the 4.5 or so billion years of Earth’s existence.

Patrick
Patrick
1 year ago
Reply to  JJK3

The climate here changed a little from yesterday. They used to say “global warming” which if extrapolated out in linear or worse exponential fashion, would mean boiling oceans. Yeah ok.

DanW
DanW
1 year ago

What actually prevents a state government from confiscating money from every business in the state that has money? When the state government is full on Marxist, I don’t see any restraint in them trying this!

Name
Name
1 year ago
Reply to  DanW

See the Bail in provision of the Dodd-Frank law – then you can thank those who voted it in

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago
Reply to  Name

Didn’t stop Barney Frank from benefitting from it both ways.
Signature Bank filed bankruptcy and he skated, despite being on the Board of Directors.

Naphtali
Naphtali
1 year ago
Reply to  DanW

Guns?

Bayleaf
Bayleaf
1 year ago
Reply to  DanW

Exactly right. All businesses should immediately leave.

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago
Reply to  DanW

They already have; Covid. Newsom shuttered schools for 3 years. BTW, that same study written by L.A. Dept. of Public Health’s Social Justice (not medical) Dr. Barbara Ferrer’s daughter – shuttered L.A. schools and the CDC relied upon that nationwide.

2020, behested payments in California took a massive leap. Biggest wealth transfer in California history.https://www.fppc.ca.gov/transparency/behested-payments.html

CRT, DEI, etc. has been in California schools for many years. Direct from Marxism. Newsom, WEF-trained, is implementing the global new world order in California. He only cares about his own future, not California or Californians.

Name
Name
1 year ago

more crap from the corrupt ruining crapifornia

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

The bill’s sponsor, Scott Wiener, is the fairy from San Francisco who wanted to decriminalize knowingly giving someone AIDS. He’s also wanted to loosen up laws against pedophilia. He’s a sick F***, and the fact that he keeps getting re-elected is proof of the fact that San Francisco deserves to be struck by a meteor or a nuke.

Bayleaf
Bayleaf
1 year ago
Reply to  Sentient

That’s why God burned down SF at least a half dozen times.

Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  Sentient

Weiner is also responsible for the CA law that forces EVERY city, regardless of how wealthy, to provide x amount of new housing along transit corridors based on an arcane formula. This, of course, has people in the more well-to-do towns up in arms as they finally realize what they voted for all those years back.

We are seeing one eyesore apartment development after another popping up all over the length of Silicon Valley from SF to San Jose turning what used to be the suburbs into a mini rendition of overcrowded SF. SAD!

President Musk
President Musk
1 year ago
Reply to  Sentient

You guys are obsessed with wiener.

realityczech
realityczech
1 year ago
Reply to  President Musk

He’s quite the looker. Especially all doled up in his pride costume.

Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  President Musk

Did you forget to add an “s” toyour post?

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago
Reply to  Sentient

See my other post about how corrupt voting is here. SO SICK and tired of people badmouthing California when good people live here, and we nearly flipped red in November, 2024.

California Central Coaster
California Central Coaster
1 year ago

That’s. Man-made “climate change” will finally be on trial in a court of law and lose bigly

Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago

Just imagine how many years any lawsuit would be dragged out in one court after another! And the cost of this would be added to everyone’s energy bills in the end, should the plaintiffs win, however unlikely that might be.

denker
denker
1 year ago

Of course, the oil companies are to blame for the fires and mudslides. Democrats have nothing to do with the catastrophe. All those charred solar panels on the houses in PP and Altadena, the torched EVs in the driveways are thanks to Gavin and gang. It would have been a lot worse without all the mandates, laws and subsidies for renewable energy. (sarc. alert)

Last edited 1 year ago by denker
Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago
Reply to  denker

Yep. Nothing to do with 1961, when LAFD warned the City, County, either.
“Many of the streets had no water.” In 1961.
https://www.lafra.org/lafd-history-bel-air-fire-56-years-ago-november-6-1961/

The commonality? Democrats in charge all this time, except one Mayor. Riordan. (He was hampered by the ’94 Northridge quake, and L.A. riots.)

Last edited 1 year ago by Angry Senior
Ron
Ron
1 year ago

Good point. Sierra Club should be sued.

Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds
Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds
1 year ago
Reply to  Ron

Let’s drag Occidental Petroleum into this as well!

Angry Senior
Angry Senior
1 year ago
Reply to  Ron

Start with Getty Oil, Newsom’s mentor who ‘adopted’ him. LOL
They’re all crooked.

Midnight
Midnight
1 year ago

Can’t fix stupid.

President Musk
President Musk
1 year ago
Reply to  Midnight

That’s what I love about you.

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