China Won’t Save the World Economy, Nor Will the US, Expect Long Adjustments

Michael Pettis at China Financial Markets discusses an article on Boosting Consumption by LI Xunlei at the Shanghai Finance Institute.

Please consider this Tweet Thread by Michael Pettis.

  • Li Xunle, of Zhongtai Securities, argues that for China to continue growing, consumption must become the main driver of growth. This seems to have become consensus among Chinese economists in the past few years, and especially in the past year.
  • What’s perhaps more important is the recognition that the growth driven by investment is unsustainable: “The problem of over-investment in infrastructure has emerged. It is increasingly difficult to find good investment projects.”
  • “Therefore,” he continues, “we’re finding it harder to rely on the investment-driven model for economic growth and should instead look to consumption to drive growth.”
  • This has been true for many years, however, and it has taken way too long for the consensus to emerge, which is why during this time debt has become a huge problem for the economy. Unfortunately, I don’t think this will change any time soon.
  • One reason is that Li, like most Chinese economists, continues to see non-productive investment as an important countercyclical measure, which is another way of saying that they are willing to sacrifice long-term growth for short-term stability.
  • The other reason is that they haven’t yet come to a consensus on the deep institutional changes that are a necessary part of any meaningful rebalancing of the economy away from investment and towards consumption.
  • It is not enough just to say that we need to redistribute income in way that boosts the consumption share of GDP. After three decades in which business, financial, political and legal institutions have been…
  • structured around the systematic transfer of income from households to subsidize investment and manufacturing, a reversal of these transfers cannot help but have highly disruptive impacts.
  • The prioritizing of shorter-term stability over longer-term growth and the reluctance to embrace the necessary institutional reforms (these are probably different ways of saying the same thing) is why I expect China’s adjustment to be a very long, Japan-style adjustment.

Let’s emphasize that last point because it is the key one. 

Expect a Very Long Japan-Style Adjustment

The prioritizing of shorter-term stability over longer-term growth and the reluctance to embrace the necessary institutional reforms (these are probably different ways of saying the same thing) is why I expect China’s adjustment to be a very long, Japan-style adjustment.”

EU Comparison

Pettis’ statement certainly applies to the EU and to a lesser extent the US. How long has the EU avoided badly-needed structural reforms? 

  • Germany is stuck on an export mercantilism model, just like China.
  • Greece and Italy have done nothing to enhance productivity despite known problems for decades.
  • Italy’s tax system and banking system have also needed reform for decades.
  • In France, workers fight pension reform and want more time off. 
  • The EU wants to break up successful corporations like Microsoft and Google instead of letting them thrive. 
  • France still protects the small French farmer’s way of life. Every year, France vetoes agricultural reform at global trade talks.
  • The EU’s Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism is a total disaster
  • Germany’s decision to kill nuclear power to appease the Greens was a total disaster
  • The Eurozone is still bickering over Eurobonds debt mutualization. It will do so until there is a major banking failure in Italy or Germany. 

Rank those ideas however you want. It’s a disaster guaranteed to start a currency crisis at some point.

What About the US?

  • In the US, Progressives have gone mad. They demand more government and bigger government. 
  • Biden is hell bent on becoming more like the EU. 
  • Protectionists and government expansionists are running the show. 
  • Tariffs and sanctions raise costs everywhere.
  • Biden’s push for more unions, higher wages, living wages, are inflationary.
  • De-globalization and decarbonization ideas are also very inflationary. 
  • Biden unwisely weaponized the US dollar for the first time in history. 
  • The Fed will not be able to slash rates like before to spur growth out of fear of inflation. 

Globally Speaking

When does any country emphasize long-term growth over the short-term?

Short-term expediency has always been the case, but global wage arbitrage and increasing productivity, and rising standards of living masked over the problem. 

We now have aging demographics in China, Japan, the EU, and US. There is a huge need for more medical care services. 

The only solution from the Democrats is higher taxers and more free services: Free child care, living wages, Medicare for all, free college, etc.

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Demographically, the US is better off than Japan, China, and the EU, but don’t expect rate cuts by the Fed to save the day because huge rate cuts may not come and they will not save the day if they do.

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alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
Pettis’ statement certainly applies to the EU and to a lesser extent the
US. How long has the EU avoided badly-needed structural reforms?
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Americans always amuse me ! Europe has been around in world for ages.
it survived Hitler, napoleon, Cesar=Rome , communism, hundred years wars, deadly deceases.
it is still bigger in terms of population , and innovation.
USA ford truck anyone? or bmw #3 model??? or USA style medicine (40+ % obese) or german-sweden style? asnwer is clear!
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
=Germany is stuck on an export mercantilism model, just like China.
yeah stuck !! typical USA bs.!!
China Germany and Russia run =1 =2 =3 positive trade balance in world AKA produce more than consume.
USA runs biggest one. NEGATIVE about 1 trln $$$ per year. of course it wont last long. 10-20-30 years!!
eventually $ will get a hit . you cant print 1*2 trln $ to finance dual deficits in USA. budget and trade!
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
=China is due for a very long “Japan-style adjustment says Michael Pettis
junk!!!
in 80x it was considered that Japan would have overtaken USA economy by 90х. never happen.
obv. China economy in some fields is bigger than USA but that due sheer size in population. USA population is about 330 mln, Chinese is 1.5 bln
+-100 mln in USA don’t work or barely work,. i really doubt it is possible to live in china w/out working.
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in 80х small parcel of land somewhere in Japan was worth more than whole California. RE bubble was (and still is ) INSANE!
it is not Japanese fault per se, just it is 120 mln ppl living on small mostly inhabited islands
in term of gdp per capita China is still 2d world country, on par w/ Russia, or most central/east europe countries
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Real wages are up. Only a “decent” recession can tame the bad boys. If we get a “decent” one the Fed will escape, but the gov might pay +3% on $35T/$40T debt instead of minus (-)4% on $31T/$34T. Bond traders demand recession, but Biden don’t care. Let the workers feast
until the next election, thereafter president Gamala will take care of them.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Japan had a huge property bubble in the 1990s. People took out huge mortgages. Some were 50+ years in duration. The bubble burst and people were left with huge debts. The population spent money paying back debts instead of consuming. Defaulting is taboo in their culture. China is facing the same dilemma. Might even be worse as much of property purchased is for unfinished units that may never be finished. How China plays out depends a lot on their culture. Will they walk away from their debts like the US did in 2009? or will they honor their debts? Another factor working against them is an aging population. Old people don’t buy furniture and clothes.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
3 years ago
Biden’s America can’t save the world or itself. In fact, it seems to be doing the opposite. It to be self destructing: starting wars with nuclear superpowers, blowing up pipelines, cynically fighting to the last Ukrainian, cowering in fear over balloons, throwing open the southern boarder, plenty of freebies for the minions, teaching trannism to grade schoolers….
Seems like the best place to put your money is in a gun and plenty of survival gear.
GodfreeRoberts
GodfreeRoberts
3 years ago
China is due for a very long “Japan-style adjustment” says Michael Pettis?
Bless his heart, Michael has made that ‘prediction’ for 15 years. If it ever happens, it won’t until at least 2049, when China will reach cruising altitude.
There are only five years in China’s economic history in which GDP (3% of $30 trillion) grew more than it did in 2022. In 2023, it will grow twice as much.
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
Reply to  GodfreeRoberts
=n China’s economic history
stop this BS . china only counts gdp for last 10-20 years. od you really think in 1985 the knew anything about gdp?
Directed Energy
Directed Energy
3 years ago
There will come a year where mortgage rates are 2% or less, even if it means direct government subsidies to do so. Likely a parting shot but inflating homes drives 1/3 of the economy.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
There is some truth in all your negative points. The world is in a mess.
However; the world is ALWAYS in a mess. You can always find negative points like this to focus on. And if you only focus on the negatives, then you might miss out on the positives. And when you miss the positives, you miss some of the opportunities.
I add it all up and see a world of slow growth going forward. Yes, China is slowing down compared to a decade ago, but India is picking up. We will continue to muddle along in spite of all our problems. Human ingenuity and hard work will continue to overcome many of the problems we face.
In the last 120 years, the world has gone through a litany of catastrophes; wars, pandemics, etc.
Yet we just keep plodding along; moving forward. In spite of the guy standing on the street corner with the “end is near” sign.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
The only time it wasn’t a mess in my lifetime was between the fall of the USSR and 9/11.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I’d say it was more like since the end of the Vietnam war in 76 and the 1st gulf war in 91. That was the last time the US was at peace and the world (read North America) didn’t seem like a mess. The fall of the USSR actually emboldened not only the US, but a lot of other countries to suddenly get involved in conflict thanks to the vacuum of the USSR military disappearing. We had the Gulf war when Iraq got uppity, then US got involved in Bosnia, Serbia and Somalia in the mid to late 90s and then 9/11 happened after Clinton sent cruise missiles into Afghanistan and so on.
Obviously lots was going on in the world in years 76-91 but the US and by extension Canada wasn’t involved so it seemed like things were great.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I grew up during the Cold War and the fall of the Soviet Union eliminated the specter of nuclear war that was constantly hanging over our heads. The feeling of relief that it was all over and everyone wanted to be friends is difficult to describe. I was living in Europe when the wall in Berlin came down. The ambiance was indescribable and truly the defining moment of the 1990’s. It lasted till 9/11 and then was over.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I also grew up in that era (born in 65).
But looking back now, I wonder how much of that specter of nuclear war was just in our heads thanks to Hollywood movies and TV shows (it seems like a quarter of the old twilight zone episodes seem to revolve around nuclear war)? The US and USSR were never even close to getting into direct conflict with each other (US licking its wounds after Vietnam and USSR involved in Afghanistan).
To be honest, I was worried a lot more after the fall of the USSR that nuclear bombs would go missing (they had 5000+) and end up in terrorist hands or rogue states etc. It’s been incredibly fortunate that never happened.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
In Europe the Soviet Union’s armies were just a stone throw’s away. They were only 200 miles from the French border and only 150 miles from the Netherlands so when you are in Western Europe you were well aware of the proximity of Soviet Forces.
Well the US, UK and Russia convinced Ukraine to give up it’s nukes just for that reason. They successfully got all of them accounted for. Too bad that Ukraine didn’t keep a few.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Every time in human history has been racked with human conflict, misery, and, dispair.
Even the eras of 1976-91 and 1991-9/11
Even if there is nothing going on, we make sensational “world-ending” stuff up to sell newspapers, generate clicks, and generate dispair.
kiers
kiers
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I think China can turn it around very easily towards consumption: eliminate the one child restriction, start spending more on defense domestically, etc. The problem is there’s a lack of external liquidity coming from value added exports. Those have fallen off a cliff, besides (gallingly) Apple COmputer et al, which only add value for Apple (Cupertino) not China so much!
Quagmire46
Quagmire46
3 years ago
Reply to  kiers
From Wikipedia’s page on China’s one-child policy:
“In 2015, the government removed all remaining one-child limits, establishing a two-child limit. In May 2021, this was loosened to a three-child limit.[5] In July 2021, all limits, as well as penalties for exceeding them, were removed.[6]”
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  Quagmire46
Who wants kids living in those expensive concrete block condos and working 12 hour days for low wages?
jivefive98
jivefive98
3 years ago
I keep hearing how necessary it is for workers to accept lower wages, fewer benefits, weaker unions and to endure all the suffering. One of these days we need to hear the justification for billions and billions of (free, borrowed) dollars now controlled by the rich and why it is so necessary to give them 99% of everything … whats so great about rich people? And how many average people, teased into thinking they can be rich someday too, actually become rich.
TechLover
TechLover
3 years ago
Reply to  jivefive98
One of the saving graces of the US is that most of the richest in this country are self-made, i.e. they are not descendants of the top 1000 richest families. There is constant churn in top 100 richest in the US from generation to generation.
I don’t believe it is necessary for workers to accept lower wages. Every employee needs to be able to add economic value over what they are paid. This is a tautology if all workers in a company in aggregate or the company will become unprofitable and fail. There is no free lunch so to speak. I do believe we as a country need to invest more in skilling up of our workforce but that is a different discussion and we need to have it at a high priority as a nation and society.
kiers
kiers
3 years ago
Reply to  jivefive98
hollywood has done many many sci-fi movies about captive underground human colonies of hte future, made ignorant of their true captivity by virtue of 1) fear, and (2) the occaisonal winner of an “escape” lottery for life! Sort of sums up the middle class predicament!
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
  • Germany is stuck on an export mercantilism model, just like China.
  • Greece and Italy have done nothing to enhance productivity despite known problems for decades.
  • Italy’s tax system and banking system have also needed reform for decades.
  • In France, workers fight pension reform and want more time off.
  • The EU wants to break up successful corporations like Microsoft and Google instead of letting them thrive.
  • France still protects the small French farmer’s way of life. Every year, France vetoes agricultural reform at global trade talks.
  • The EU’s Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism is a total disaster
  • Germany’s decision to kill nuclear power to appease the Greens was a total disaster
  • The Eurozone is still bickering over Eurobonds debt mutualization. It will do so until there is a major banking failure in Italy or Germany.
Germany’s mercantilist model has run into problems but Germany makes the high qualify stuff some of which have no real competitors. Try to find replacements for German machine tools for example. That gives them a certain edge and time to adjust as they will.
Greece’s natural advantage is in tourism. Been like that since Roman times. Northern Italy is very productive. The south is the pits. Splitting them apart would be natural.
France will have the pension reform even if the unions don’t want it.
The EU has very strict anti-competition laws which keep mastodons from forming. Nevertheless they do still form but not much in the high-tech sector. The US has a unique economic and financial ecosystem that is difficult to replicate elsewhere even though they have tried. The EU does have a lot of high-tech companies but they tend to get bought out by the mastodons like Siemens and become divisions.
France does try to protect its farmers. The result is that France is one of the few European countries that can feed itself and export their surplus so I don’t see why that should be a problem. As elsewhere the farms that do well are the larger ones and the small one suffer but that is a world-wide trend. The is plentiful, relatively cheap and very good so I don’t complain.
The EU’s Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism doesn’t look very good. Although the name has carbon in it the real aim is to cut out products made cheaply in third-world countries. It’s Europe’s industrial reshoring plan wrapped in an ecology flag. Definitely not free trade but when was Europe ever for free trade?
Germany’s population is majority for nuclear now so that dam has broken. Other energy taboos will fall. When common sense breaks out it takes years to put it back in the bottle.
Debt mutualization is an unknown. For now they have their finger in the dyke but the leak will get worse so if need be the ECB will bail out the banks and issue debt to cover it like the Fed does. There is a road map.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
The biggest industry in Germany is automobile production. Their companies are way behind in electric vehicle manufacturing and heavily in debt. They don’t make any cars people will want in a few years and have no plans to do so. Chinese companies are about to take away a huge chunk of their auto industry. Japan is in the same dire straits. The Chinese auto industry is like Japan in the 1970s. They make cars for the future and have almost no legacy debt.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
We will see but don’t count your chickens before they hatch. The Germans and everyone else for that matter are well aware of the stakes.
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
=Their companies are way behind in electric vehicle manufacturing
sure buddy.!
Ford shares are sliding after the carmaker announced that it has paused production and shipments of its electric F-150 Lightning pickup due to a potential battery issue.

Ford has not established a timeline for when production and the shipments will resume, Ford spokesperson Emma Bergg said.

“The team is diligently working on the root cause analysis,” Bergg said, adding the company is “doing the right thing by our customers” to resolve any potential issues before resuming production and shipments.

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