100,000 US cases is now in the rear view mirror. That milestone was reached on March 27. Cases up by a third since then.
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But other than these kinds of things, and hundreds more, It’s No Worse Than the Flu™ .
COULD KIM SHI BE THE EXPLANATION FOR WEIRD S KOREA FIGURES?
In 1980 when I disembarked from a 21 hours flight from Europe to South Korea I almost fainted because there was an unpleasant THIOLS odor everywhere in the airport.
Every Korean people exhaled this strong Garlic like odor permanently.
I found out rapidly that EVERY Korean eat big portions of KIM SHI almost every day.
KIM SHI is an ancestral fermented cabbage with fish or meat containing huge amount of garlic (added raw).
I have made recently some research on the ZINC IONOPHORES and ZINC CHELATORS following the report from China and also the report from the Marseille Infectious diseases service (by the way the long blond haired director which claim promising results with chloroquine stated one week ago (in French) on YouTube still that it was not worse than the flu!! he should have bought magnifying glasses and read the datas everybody had from China two months ago already)
Everybody can find now everywhere on the web the (scientific) explanation regarding the damping effect of chloroquine on Corona virus replication. Basically it is due to the fact that chloroquine TRANSPORT the zinc ions from outside the cell to inside the cell
. Zn has the property to inhibit the REPLICASE enzyme introduced (as a RNAm directly readable for translation into proteins) in the cell. This replicase polymerase enzyme allow our cell machinery to make copies of the virus genome ans do multiply it inside the cell.
Chloroquine is a good ZINC ionophore. Quercetin is a “natural one” (found in oignons amongst other) which research has proved as efficient as chloroquine but at high doses.(3 to 7 grams per day which should have side effects if not discontinued)
I have not found experiments related to the property of Garlic amongst other diathyl trisulfide or ALLITRIDIN on ZN transport trough membrane. However Garlic trough its sulfur proteins is well known for its metal chelating (transport) properties.
For centuries RAW garlic has been used as a natural medium against COLD (coronavirus) that could well be because it also inhibit corovirus replicase trough mobilizing extra cellular zinc ions.
Chloroquine is mostly not available now, so goes with quercetin, hopefully as our South Korean friends seems to give clues on it there remain tons of garlic everywhere.
It must be taken raw.
Mish all flues and this virus started in China due to their human live animal interaction in food production. Your PC lib side is showing—try to stay with the facts not lib emotion
How about Swine flu 2009 and 1918 american flu?
Very likely The same place–ducks and pigs and humans interact in China to produce flu and other viral diseases on a regular basis
Lol, since when has this forum become an echo chamber for dumb liberals?
You Trumptards have a “perfect record of total failures”! Lol
One anecdote from a doctor does not make facts. Also it doesn’t change our understanding that most people will survive IF hospitals are not overloaded. Remember, most hospitals in the US are already running at 95% capacity. That might be different somewhere else. Also let’s be optimistic and say we will be at half the rate of Italy. That still means quite a few army trucks transporting bodies of loved ones.
Medium has a really good analysis by Tomas Pueyo. He says the following:
If 5% of your cases require intensive care and you can’t provide it, most of those people die. As simple as that.
On the top of that doc it says “Swiss Propaganda Research” does that alarm anyone else?
If it’s legit it sounds pretty great as long as your not old with pre existing conditions.
From their website https://swprs.org/contact/
They investigate propaganda.
” Swiss Propaganda Research (SPR), founded in 2016, is an independent nonprofit research group investigating geopolitical propaganda in Swiss and international media.”
This is going to trigger some people here.
An article by a Swiss doctor on Covid-19.
Based primarily on the same Italian data. It does make an important point, that the excess mortality due to the new virus is very low. Also, that the test kits are not accurate and result in many false positives.
These sane European voices, protected from the English-language media driven hysteria are lost in the maelstrom of panic that has gripped the public and govts in the US.
You’ll notice there is no author named on that piece… that’s a big warning sign.
Reassurances from the tinfoil hat crowd. This must be on a “Stage of Pandemic Discourse” checklist.
“excess mortality due to the new virus is very low”
If correct, then Italy should not be on lockdown. It would be a much better approach to isolate the elderly and let it burn through the rest of the population until everyone else is immune.
Thank you for this data!……and we need more of it to act with knowledge, not speculation.
It is good to have opposing views and debate where there is uncertainty, and there is a lot of uncertainty regarding the present and future nature of the virus. Take into account:
There are several known cases of younger fatalities in previously healthy subjects, and many more who end up in critical condition.
The asymptomatic cases 50-75% ? Why no solid figure ? Same goes for Diamond Princess with estimates of 18-50% asymptomatic.
Are people immune after ?
Do they still carry the virus undetected, maybe later developing symptoms ?
Different strains ?
Future strains ?
Efficacy of the tests used ?
But most of all, CFR is what ? Some say 3 %, others 8 % , but you want to more than halve that for an IFR of 1 % being optimistic , with a vast number of people barely or not symptomatic spreading the virus, and I tell you it is not a pretty picture.
Well I don’t know what that site is, but it isn’t balanced either. Italy has fourteen fatalities amongst its medics for example, some well known. Spain has at least one medic and one guardia civil fatality. All of those people were in good form. There are various other younger cases of healthy individual fatalities to be found, even the Chinese doctor who was silenced was not in poor condition prior to catching the virus.
I don’t mean to overemphasise either, with whatever new virus it will affect younger ages also, even flu does. At
flu is given in the table as 0.0018 mortality rate in 18-49 yrs (1.8 per 100 000). With nCov it is around 0.2 if I remember, or maybe 0.1 if you add undetected infection. That is a hundred times more.
So why a Swiss site is downplaying I don’t know, they should know better as they already have amongst the highest infection rate per population , and again if I remember, were at the centre of the second wave of Spanish flu a century ago.
Should be: “50 to 100 times more.”
Diego Bianco 49 yrs
Nurse in Spain 52 yrs
Guardia Civil 39 yrs
Local police 58 yrs
Iranian sportswoman 28 yrs (I think)
And these are only those that make the media,all were in good form. Various others known barely survived. It’s anecdotal obviously, but these are real cases, real people.
Many of the questions are already answered in this interview with an academic who has been at it for a while and actually has a name.
What is corroborated by this article:
The main points as far as I am concerned are:
And this:
And this group of people who have had a corona virus infection develops fibrosis of the lung within a year.
Q: That is, when the lung tissue thickens?
A: Yes. A lung becomes like burnt rubber, if the analogy is to be made.
“A Swiss medical doctor provided the following…”
Whatever. Isn’t it customary to provide the name of the doctor, especially when the site’s aim is to fight fake news?
I agree with@NewUlm that the emphasis on acquiring ventilators is not helpful. Only very sick patients are going to be on one, and odds of survival after that are extremely poor. A ventilator is also an extremely expensive step to take in managing illness.
Today’s presidential press conference floundered. President Trump tried too hard to claim good progress on therapeutics before having anything solid to report. The Q&A segment was better than the initial announcements. I don’t think anyone can reasonably expect breakthrough announcements every day. Trump should move to the Q&A more quickly if no big developments occurred in the last 24 hours.
It appears from reports in the US that it is still difficult for sick patients who had contact with confirmed cases to get tested, and medics are obviously screening patients to try and test only those who will be positive. I do not see how this strategy will contain the spread. It has been reported many times there is asymptomatic transmission with SARS-Cov-2. Also, there is not any specific treatment available yet. If limited drive-up testing is not going to be helpful in containing the spread, and if there is not any specific treatment available for a diagnosed case, what good is it? They should save these tests for healthcare workers to determine when they have to be pulled from duty or to verify when a patient under care needs to be isolated. Otherwise, until everyone can be cheaply tested to manage the spread or help direct treatment, stop wasting unhelpful tests on the general public.
It is obvious most people are going to have to manage this illness themselves at home, and it would be helpful if the government distributes practical information on how people can care for themselves. For example: Do not take NSAIDS while sick? Do not take any fever reducers while sick? How high a fever is too high? Do take a low dose vitamin D supplement every day during the pandemic? Do get plenty of sleep (7 hours? 8 hours? more?). How can a person reliably identify “shortness of breath” that is severe enough to seek hospital care? During this pandemic can we please put the doctors in charge and temporarily suspend all liability claims for generally helpful medical advice?
What is making Japanese numbers so low? I am being “wrong” to suggest that social cohesion helps to fight the decease?
Maybe the virus is not as deadly as it is made out to be?
What about the hydroxychlorotine? stuff they are talking about? Thoughts?
Studies are underway involving much larger groups, but this two-drug combination appears to work:
A common thread from numerous other papers seems to be that getting the patient on them before becoming critical is key.
So in other words, in a country with next to no testing available, few normal people will have any hope of getting early treatment from this.
Your best bet is to self-quarantine and not catch it in this first round. If you can hold off catching it until fall or even next winter, maybe there will be a chance you will actually receive effective treatment.
Calling this a “China Virus” exposes Trump for what he is.
The mainstream media called it a China virus.
The mainstream media called it Coronavirus, thus the endless beer jokes. Nobody calls is China Virus except Trump.
Probably called up whoever makes Corona beer and offered to shift the spin for them, for a few million.
Granted the sample size is 58, but the NMJ article you just posted was ~200, so even with more cases if the death rate moved to 90% it would not move the needle.
There are still indication out of NK and FN that hydroxychloroquine can reduce the number of sever cases:
I will take those odds over a ventilator any day!
Missing details, still relevant, Italy :
“According to official figures released last week, twelve per cent of those who have been treated in intensive care are aged between 19 and 50.”
“Resta says that 50% of those with COVID-19 who are accepted into intensive care units in Italy are dying, compared with a usual mortality rate of 12% to 16% in such units nationwide.”
(Reuters, inews)
I don’t care what you have. The odds of survival after going on a ventilator are extremely low. It turns out breathing on your own is necessary for long term survival.
In fact, looking at the study referenced above (Lopinavir–Ritonavir) which was “discounted” but the group getting meds actually had BETTER outcome that ventilator cases, crazy!
Agree. We should be mass producing the drugs and giving them to anyone over 70 first. The minute someone is confirmed as positive they should go on these medicines. Their odds are better !
Is there any truth to this story?
99% of deaths in Italy already had serious pre-existing illnesses. 90% of deceased are over 70 years old.
This whole thing smells more and more of a hysterical panic. One day a few weeks later people will suddenly realise that the world is not ending. In fact life goes on just as before. People die every day. Just look at the number of deaths due to the seasonal flu. In the meantime the economic damage is done.
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The links to the article are not appearing, for some reason. Here is the original article from the Italian Institute of Health (ISS) in Italian. The graphs are self-explanatory.
Where have you been ? Do you not understand that the system cannot handle a large percentage of people over 70 or 80 going to the hospital. This is not about the general population’s ability to survive. It is about the medical system having enough availability to take care of not only Covid-2019 patients but other idiots who happen to go to the ER for anything and everything. It turns out keeping healthy people at home makes them less of a risk to the OVERALL availability of the system.
By the way, your post goes down as the dumbest post here in a long time. Clearly you weren’t paying attention to what happen in Wuhan and Italy and South Korea. There aren’t enough beds, vents, masks or other equipment for the number of people to die (as you put it).
Go easy, C_O, no need to get personal.
Clearly you have been fully infected by the media-driven hysteria which is more dangerous than the actual illness. I live in a part of the world closer to Wuhan than you do, and have higher immunity to the western-media poison that is consumed daily by so many there. Life is back to normal in China, after about 8000 deaths there. Even there, most deaths were of older people or people already immune compromised. Without trivializing the deaths, we need to put that into perspective. The annual flu does this to a large number of senior citizens all over the world. Why are we letting 100,000+ die each year if they too could be saved with anti-virals, ventilators, etc.
13 doctors dead in Lombardy now. I can’t read Italian, but you are probably right Ken and these doctors were all 85-years-old with COPD or something.
Here’s a readable translation of that page from google translate. Most of the content is similar to what’s available in English. With reference to your point, the article says 5 doctors were in the dead with 2 described as ‘retired’.
Bloomberg also repeating the Italian story here
I have to agree with the others that your dismissiveness of people over 50 is … really something.
he worldometer site has a bit more detail on the doctors who died. The youngest listed is 57.
The rate of spread and risk of Covid-19 is higher than the flu. We have vaccines for the flu and that is why the death rate is so low. The death rate is currently about 4x the typical flu season at best. The only reason this will blow over in a few months is because of a mandated quarantine like Wuhan. And uninformed people like you will say “see it wasnt that bad!” But you wont recognize that preventing the spread is what helps. By the way we now know the rate of spread is half in the tropics like Singapore and Hong Kong. This was published yesterday by Japanese researchers. Heat and humidity actually limit the life of the virus. This is why the spread hasnt been as bad in the tropics.
Instead of doing his job, Trump is only taking care of Trump. The emperor has no clothes all and it is visible in the daily press conference.
In Portugal they have state of emergency now, but so far society has generally reacted sensibly without much coercion at all.
In Spain I am reading on the approach, which is more heavy handed, a lot of fines etc.
Here is one account
Another was a tripadvisor conversation starting around early March through to mid March, watching people’s advice change.
Stories of people asking to be arrested because they cannot stand the person they are cooped up with, or this video – walking a toy dog
but then you read of fatalities, or that the incinerator in Madrid is 24/24 and the smile goes.
Travel is pointless, just repatriation going on.
Android 5.1 and I’m trying about ten browsers, most latest version, without restrictions, to get the site to load and not feeze. So far Tor browser works, maybe firefox but did not feel like changing all my settings, firefox lite not, opera touch not, lightning not, monument not, via not. You cannot even scroll the page unless java is off. Tried proxy services and they lose functions, not tried vpn via US because firewall uses that access on android, imagine same unless some EU cookie notice.
Successful treatment:
It’s the first antiviral the Chinese have approved for this coronavirus. Getting the patient on it early seems key, based on what I’ve read elsewhere.
Well, it happened. I chatted (online) with a person who has been confirmed as infected with COVID-19. This particular person happened to be the first known case in NC who did not get it from travelling, marking the first case in NC where community spread is occurring.
Unfortunately, my wife went to the area where the person who is infected works. It’s unlikely that she got infected from the brief contact.
However, the person who was infected did tell me that at least one co-worker is coming down with similar symptoms so it’s likely more than one had it.
We are already taking precautions but this just confirms in my mind of the need to stay home.
But lies make me feel good, and trigger the libs! If you’re not lyin’, you’re not tryin!