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Covid Vaccination Rates vs Death Rates Daily and Last 7 Days Update

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The above chart was produced from a data download from Worldometers. I used data from yesterday to make sure I got a full day.

Once again, the typical suspect states lead the nation in population-adjusted Covid deaths.

Daily deaths are subject to reporting errors especially on weekends. 7-day totals are a better measure.

7-day Death Rates Per 100,000 

Once again we see the same general set of problematic states.

That chart is from Covid Deaths Per 100K Last 7 Days.

Louisiana leads the nation with 8.6 followed by Arkansas at 6 and Nevada at 3.9.

Bottom 20 Vaccination Rates 

Vaccination Rates Top 20 States

States With Vaccination Rates Under 40%

  • Alabama: 36.1%
  • Mississippi: 36.6%
  • Wyoming: 37.8%
  • Idaho: 38.3%
  • Arkansas: 39.4%
  • Louisiana: 39.4%
  • West Virginia: 39.4%

What About Florida?

Good question. For all the discussion regarding Florida being a massive hotbed of Covid activity, it doesn’t appear to be.

Recent deaths per million in Florida is only 1.96. Florida deaths per 100,000 in the last 7 days is only 1.1. 

Why?

Although Florida is not in the top tier of vaccination states, it does have a fully vaccination rate 51%. That’s higher than 30 other states including Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio. 

If you want to credit someone in Florida, credit those getting vaccinated, not the governor.

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The data is consistent and irrefutable. Vaccinations save lives. 

I will get a booster shot as soon as it is available.

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Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
Philip Valentine was an American conservative talk radio host and another red state doubter. He was…
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Meanwhile in Australia, they are murdering dogs to prevent Covid!  Who knew?
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Australian Town Council Sparks Outrage After Killing Rescue Dogs To Prevent Covid Spread
Sunday, Aug 22, 2021 – 10:30 PM
Outrage was sparked after an Australian town council shot dead several rescue dogs in order to prevent volunteers from breaking quarantine to pick them up last week in the city of Cobar, NSW, according to the Sydney Morning Herald, citing the Office of Local Government.
“OLG has been informed that the council decided to take this course of action to protect its employees and community, including vulnerable Aboriginal populations, from the risk of COVID-19 transmission,” said a spokesman for the government agency.
According to the report, the shelter volunteers had Covid-safe measures prepared to handle the dogs – one of which was a new mother.
“We are deeply distressed and completely appalled by this callous dog shooting and we totally reject the council’s unacceptable justifications that this killing was apparently undertaken as part of a COVID- safe plan,” Animal Liberation regional campaign manager Lisa Ryan told the Herald.
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Anon1970
Anon1970
4 years ago
It is amazing how anti-vaxxers twist the booster news coming out of Israel. https://www.israelhayom.com/2021/08/19/bennett-covid-booster-critical-most-people-who-die-are-not-fully-vaccinated/ The news reported in this article appears to be quite positive to me.
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Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
Reply to  Anon1970
Interesting! Positive new data! A flip-flop from the early data on the boosters reported from Israel a few days ago. And nobody’s twisting the data, new studies are coming out very frequently.
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JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Your death statistics are people who are old, or overweight, or have prior heath conditions. People outside those demographics have a one in a million chance of death, vaccinated or not. There is a cause and effect here, that never gets discussed.
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JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
PS 30,000 people total in the US have died of Covid under the age of 50, again almost all of them overweight or with pre-existing health conditions:
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JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
Why do vaxers *insist* that people with a one in a million risk get vaccinated? Serious question. There is nothing Libertarian and only minimal scientific justification for effectively forcing vaccination on people not at risk.
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JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
PS I am not disagreeing that people at risk should be vaccinated. They absolutely should, possibly mandatory, to keep people out of the hospital. But the overwhelming majority of Americans are not at undue risk of death *or* hospitalization. And *that* is the science.
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JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
Forced mandates on everyone based on problems experienced at a 1 in 10000 rate is the basis of every bad policy advanced by government, and few regulations with that risk/reward ratio ever see the light of day, for good reason. We would have national freeway speed limits of 10 mph using this kind of reasoning.
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MrGrummpy
MrGrummpy
4 years ago
I am amazed by all of the medical experts here that want to argue over the numbers Mish presents.  
What part of ‘more people vaccinated, fewer deaths ‘ don’t they understand?
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  MrGrummpy
Go here and read the death stories after having taken the vax shot.
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amigator
amigator
4 years ago
Has anyone been able to find the death rate from COVID for people 75 and younger without any known underlying conditions or comorbidities?
Looked through CDC without much luck but looks like it should be in there somewhere.
Yea I was surprised about Florida I live here and based on the press you would think we are one of the worst states.  
The governor is doing a great job much better than the candiate that the press backed in the prior election.  I think their choice is getting out of rehab and might be facing some legal issues after that. A real swell guy!
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JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Reply to  amigator
I’ve read a lot of reports, and that number is always conspicuously absent. Even when reports call out what portion of their sample population has no underlying pre existing conditions, the reports *never* call out the risk of hospitalization or death for that group. John Hopkins has a Covid risk calculator, but outside of the results from that calculator, I have never seen it specifically mentioned in reports.
That said, you can derive some basic worst case statistics from the aggregate population data. There have been 37,583,545 cases and 625,375 deaths so far. This is a large enough population sample to say, worst case, the death rate from Covid is 1.66%, meaning that approximately 98.33% of the population has no risk whatsoever of dying from Covid. Now in reality, the unreported Covid cases is estimated to be 2.3x higher:
which would mean the actual possibility for death is closer to 0.722%, or 1 in 138 people having the potential for dying from Covid. So, about 99.3% are getting vaccinations for a death that can not occur from Covid. Hospitalizations are another issue, but the statistics are surprisingly close to the “chance of death” probability.
Now, if you separate the population with actual health conditions from the rest, i.e. not use aggregate population statistics, the ridiculous level of fear mongering moves into the hyperbole category for the people not at risk, which is where we are currently at.
I suggest that everyone use the John Hopkins Covid risk calculator and find out where you are actually at, rather than watching CNN all day and scaring the bejesus out of yourself.
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JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
Actually, to be perfectly clear, risk of hospitalization is about 1/6 the risk of death, in the aggregate. Of course, for the population not at risk (with no pre-existing conditions) it is about 1 in a million.
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JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
Sorry — editing time lmit killed me. Hospitalization chance I gave is within a factor of 2x.
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JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
And again, to be as clear as possible, older age and excessive weight are considered pre-existing conditions associated with Covid.
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JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
Finally, I am unaware of any deaths from getting Covid a second or third time, but I don’t doubt there are a couple. Be aware though, that once your body is aware of how to fight Covid, chances of a subsequent infection killing you are lowered.
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blacklisted
blacklisted
4 years ago
Prove you got jabbed. Show us your papers. 
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karljen
karljen
4 years ago
You should get the vaccine if you can, if you don’t you are stupid.
The state should not force anyone to get the vaccine, if you believe they should you are stupid.
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Tengen
Tengen
4 years ago
Noticed that ZH is refusing to cover Trump’s vaccine encouragement today. They love to talk about Trump and they love to talk about Covid, but apparently not together.
The quality over there fell off a cliff around 2017 when they decided they wanted to ride the QAnon wave.
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
A Covid fable:
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The Vapor, the Hot Hat, & the Witches’ Potion A Fairy Story
Margaret Anna Alice
August 22, 2021
Once upon a time in a prosperous land, a rumor swept across the kingdom that there was an invisible vapor floating through the air. Many vapors had come before, but this one was so extraordinary, it called for an extraordinary response.
This vapor, the town criers cried, could kill you at any time, anywhere. You could get it by talking, breathing, or singing. You could get it by standing or walking too closely to someone. You could even get it by playing. And the scariest thing of all—you could get it and not even know you had it.
The only way to escape was to hide indoors, keep away from people, and rub your hands with a clear jelly every time you touched something. Merchants stopped trading, apprentices stopped learning, and people stopped seeing people.
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FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
sure Mish, suit yourself… being a mutation breeder must be great !  You got caught in the trap of the pharma goons now, you ll have to get vaxxed  over and over again !  Well, till your natural immune system is all f*d up anyway….a couple of years from now ….  
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tbergerson
tbergerson
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
One wonders whether Mish is getting paid by someone to push the “Vax at all costs for everyone regardless of their situation” line.  Either by Pharma itself, or by Google or one of the other Big State Narrative pushers.  If so he should disclose it as that is ethically required for journalists, and his blog here does constitute journalism.  
As a side note funny thing is he has moderated one of my comments out of existence and removed me sui generis from the email listserv that was sending me an email after every one of his posts.  I no longer receive those.  Must have taken exception to my comments either on the Vax issue or more likely the ridiculous post praising Biden for his evasive and cowardly speech on his monumental Afghanistan bollocksing-up last Monday.
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tbergerson
tbergerson
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Update.  Since posting my earlier comment I am once again receiving the listserv emails.  Funny.
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Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
Sorry Mish your booster plan may not hold water. Although its early data from Israel its looking like the boosters are not very effective. Its looking like the winning plan with this delta variant is to use the vaccine as a bridge to reduce the severity of the Covid and just go ahead and get a mild case of Covid. That way one will have full spectrum protection from other new variants of Covid.
With the large pool of people in countries that had draconian shutdowns that have not been vaxxed or have had Covid there is still a high degree of risk of a new variety emerging that fully escapes the vaccines  due to selection pressure and a modified booster will not be made available in time to save those high risk with naive immune systems.
All of the high risk wealthier vaxxed folks I know that are getting breakthru’s are rushing to get microclonal anti-bodies. Hopefully one of the anti-viral trials will pan out or the newer old style broad spectrum vaccines will become available.
Too bad we did not focus more resources on the anti-viral approach with operation warp speed. Testing everything under the sun. I remain convinced that the good sized dose of cannabis oil I took orally the night I was experiencing symptoms of right lung pain, difficulty catching my breath, elevated heart rate, and a dry racking cough lessened the severity of the cytokine storm I had from Covid in Dec 2019 and kept me out of the hospital. I was heading to the ER in the morning if I wasn’t better but I was dramatically improved when I awoke. That prob just blew my cred lol!
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Jackula
I think they went with vaccines because they really wanted to test the mRNA technology in a real “pandemic” situation.
In any case, Covid vaccinations will not be needed for most relatively healthy people as soon as the new Covid antivirals start coming to market in the next 3-7 months. 
For instance, Merck’s Molnupiravir is expected to be released by early Jan 2022.
Israel also has an antiviral in development that is looking very strong:
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COVID: 90% of patients treated with new Israeli drug discharged in 5 days
The Phase II trial for an Israeli COVID drug saw some 29 out of 30 patients, moderate to serious, recover within days.
AUGUST 5, 2021 22:24
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Then there is Fluvoxamine, which is an existing drug used for depression and OCD that has been showing promising results against Covid in testing.
With effective antivirals, WHY take a vaccine shot with questionable technology in the first place if there is a easily obtained pill that will kill off the Covid virus, should you get it?
This will definitely put a big kink in the vaccination card movement and likely also, the stock prices of Moderna & Pfizer (although Pfizer does have their own antiviral in development, as a backup lol).
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RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Saw on the news last night that Covaxxinated Reverend Jesse Jackson has Covid. Saw a Youtube video of Covaxxinated actress Melissa Joan Hart, who has Covid. She said it was bad. Reba McEntire has a breakthrough case she said wasn’t fun. More than sniffles for both entertainers, despite being Covaxxinated.
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
But only Jackson’s case will be counted as “breakthrough” by the CDC because he is the only one that went to the hospital.  That sounds like a 66% error rate.
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RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
“Death rates and low vaccination rates continue to go hand-in-hand.”
Only because patients are not being treated when they get symptoms. This is criminal.
Off patent anti-viral drugs are available, but being blocked by the FDA for a Covaxxine agenda.
Again, this is criminal. Doctors are generally being blocked from treating patients. Doctors are supposed to treat patients, not leave them hung out to die.
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Webej
Webej
4 years ago
No mention of the two most important variable in Covid prevalence (absent vaccines):
1. Seasonality
2. Excess death for respiratory pathogens in two years prior to Covid (the lower, the higher the Covid mortality: ‘dead wood’)
US has a double hump seasonal pattern. Last two years displayed this pattern, with a later flu season in the southern States.
The vaccines make it very difficult to disentangle seasonal variable from vaccine status, and US statistics don’t help (UK and Israel have better stats with various vaccines statuses and age cohorts, etc).
There are always exceptions to most facile comparisons which undermine the conclusions.
Fauci is prevaricating. Leaked CDC paper shows far higher tallies for vaccinated plus Covid. Fauci is dividing recent Covid deaths by all the unvaccinated since Mar 2020 and includes all recently/partially vaccinated among the unvaccinated.
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Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
I would guess (if Florida numbers are fairly accurate, which is debatable) that the declining death rate there  has to do with them being further along the curve in the current Delta variant wave than say, Texas. The wave started there roughly 2 weeks before it started to spike here, and just looking at the graphs, Florida looks much more likely to have peaked, both in new cases and deaths than Texas, which has death rates in the same range as the Florida peak that was reached several days back, and is now significantly lower.
To me, the wild card might be the resumption of fall classes, which potentially could give us another spike soon. So far, local schools aren’t reporting much of a COVID problem, and so maybe it won’t happen.
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Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
I believe they are further along the curve also. The number of infections has begun to fall. The deaths started to fall before which is a divergence from the normal pattern. Hospializations are still very high but it isn’t resulting in higher deaths. It could be inferred that those now hospitised for covid have a higher resistence probably because of a younger age. The older ones are vaccinated or already had it and now so covid has a smaller and healther population to infect. 
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TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
As an FYI, at my daughter school here there are about 600-700 kids (K-8 school). Last week they told parents there have been 15 confirmed cases of Covid among students so far (2 weeks). There is talk of requiring masks for all kids at her school until there are 0 cases (we await the decision).
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goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
Hospital Perfusionist gives stirring speech against Vaccine mandates…
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Esclaro
Esclaro
4 years ago
Supposed to be a reply not a new comment. Deleted.
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shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
Florida is 3rd in deaths per capita behind Louisiana and Mississippi.  Florida is by far #1 in hospitalizations per capita so #1 in deaths is coming.  CDC is having difficulty getting data from Florida, they are way off.
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Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Didn’t you read the statistcs at the site Mish gave? Florida is number 22 in covid death rates which means that 21 states have a higher death rate than Florida so you are way off. The CDC has no problem getting figures from Florida so the death rate has collasped there even if it doesn’t fit your narative. 
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njbr
njbr
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Doug,doug,dug……
This is a very different year than last year……
Do you combine this years team stats with last year?  Does more games won last year mean anything this year?
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Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  njbr
False analogy. A viral pandemic has nothing to do with sports and one would think that it would be easy to see the difference but if you don’t have a backround in medicine or microbiology then the layman would to grasp on bad analogies to explain what is happening around them. With a pandemic what happened last year is very important to what is happening this year since one influences the other and is part of the whole picture.
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Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
I think it’s more complicated than that. Look, for example, at North Dakota. North Dakota has a low vaccination rate, #11 from the bottom on your list. Yet they also have one of the lowest 7-day death rates. Why? I believe it is because they also had, going into this wave, the highest rate of covid cases/million in the country. Other states that were in the top 7 states in infections early include South Dakota and Nebraska, and both of those are also low in deaths.  All three also had low tests/million, so they probably underreported cases by more than most states,.
The next couple weeks will test my theory. The way I see it, there are 3 groups of people in the country:
1. People who have had Covid. I estimate this to be about 50% of the people, but it varies widely by state.
2. People who are fully vaccinated. This is known to be about half the people, but varies by state
3. The vulnerable people who are neither. Because the first two groups overlap, I estimate that group is 20-25% of the people, but it varies by state.
Based in it’s R), original Covid required about 70% of the people to have immunity for herd immunity. With masks and social distancing, 50-60% was probably enough. That gives us clues that the size of group 1 is probably about 50%, a more accurate number than relying on positive tests. Delta, however, with an R0 of 8, requires about 90% to have immunity, and masking and distancing is not going to reduce that very much.
My theory is:
People who have had covid (and survived) have good protection. We do know that some will get reinfected, but so far it has not been many, and most have been more mild than the first case. We also know that vaccinated people have good protection. Some will have breakthrough cases (as I did), but most will be mild. That means the bulk of the cases are coming from group 3, the vulnerable, and almost all of the hospitalizations and deaths are coming from that group.  But, every time one of those vulnerable people gets infected, or every time one of them elects to get vaccinated, that group gets smaller.  Because it it so highly infectious, Delta is ripping through the vulnerable group in a hurry. In most states, I expect this wave to be over in no more than 2-3 weeks because group 3 is shrinking fast.
A corollary to my theory:
Once this wave is over, 90% of the people will have immunity of some type. There will not be another wave, until and unless either there is a new variant that bypasses immunity of one type or the other or until immunity of one type or the other begins to wane. We know that antibody levels, regardless of how derived, decline by about 3% a month, so immunity may only last a couple years. On the other hand, we also know that both elicit T-Cell and B-Cell responses, both of which may provide much longer immunity. Those under 40 will have a stronger T-Cell response than those older.
So, what if this wave doesn’t stop within 2-3 weeks? That means my theory is wrong. It means that we need to figure out who is getting Covid. Is it reinfections? Breakthrough cases? Is my estimate for group 1 too large?
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Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
An interesting and cogent argument. Hope you have it right.
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njbr
njbr
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Nice theory–but you can get covid again–more seriously that the first time.
And it is clear that the earliest vaccinated have lowered immunity.
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Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  njbr
Yes, you can get covid again, and yes, you can have breakthrough cases. Once we burn through the vulnerable, those will be what is left. How common will they be? We’ll have to see. 
Having posited a theory, now I have to wait to see if the actual results are consistent. I did some math based on my theory, to get “testable” predictions. If there are 20% in the vulnerable group, that is 66 million. If half of those get infected to reach herd immunity, that is 33 million. Since this wave started, about 3 million cases have tested positive. Using an under-reporting of 3:1 (about what I believe it has been so far), that would mean that about 12 million have already been infected. Given that this wave is more among the young, and healthy, since the older and more vulnerable are more likely to be vaccinated, the percentage of asymptomatic cases is probably higher than has been the case to this point, so call it 4:1, and so the 3 million reported cases represent 15 million that have actually been infected with Delta in this wave. That gets us half way.  Another 8 million cases, which wold be 1.5 million reported cases,  and we should be seeing a decided downslope. At 150,000 reported cases a day, that is 10 days.
Thus, I predict that within no more than ten days, the number of new cases will start falling.
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Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
No mention of the two most important variable in Covid prevalence (absent vaccines):
1. Seasonality
2. Excess death for respiratory pathogens in two years prior to Covid (the lower, the higher the Covid mortality: ‘dead wood’)
US has a double hump seasonal pattern. Last two years displayed this pattern, with a later flu season in the southern States.
The vaccines make it very difficult to disentangle seasonal variable from vaccine status, and US statistics don’t help (UK and Israel have better stats with various vaccines statuses and age cohorts, etc).
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Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
I’m not a virologist, but it seems that with and R0 of 8, seasonality won’t change much. As far as why the mortality is lower, my theory is that there are multiple causes. Some cases are repeat infections, while others are breakthrough, both of which are more apt to be mild. A higher percentage of the elderly are immunized, as are those that are overweight, or have other co-morbidities. Thus, most of the “vulnerable” people are people who think they will have a mild case, and more are right than wrong. Is Delta more mild? I can’t answer that. The only way you would know is if you had a pool of people with similar characteristics who got regular covid, and one who got Delta.
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
The vulnerable people who are neither. Because the first two groups overlap, I estimate that group is 20-25% of the people, but it varies by state.
Wrong!  As we are learning and I pointed out above in another post:
The unvaccinated (or vulnerable by your terminology) numbers are apparently unreliable because the CDC, doesn’t count you as vaccinated until you have had TWO shots AND at least TWO weeks have passed since the 2nd shot.  If you happen to contact Covid but have had only one shot, then you are counted as unvaccinated, which is not how it is done in every other country in the world! 
 We also know that vaccinated people have good protection. Some will have breakthrough cases (as I did), but most will be mild.
We also know that the CDC does not count breakthrough cases that do not result in hospitalization or worse.  So another bad assumption.
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Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Nothing you wrote above has anything to do with my theory, with the exception of the definition of “fully vaccinated”.  I totally agree that “vaccinated” should include only people who who have had at least 2 weeks after their second shot. That’s how it has been defined by the CDC all along. That’s the number of people that are 51% of Americans. That’s the number I used in coming up with my expectations. You are free to come up with some alternate theory, where you break people into five or ten groups if you like. You can have “previously infected”, “suffering from long covid”, “fully vaccinated”, “had both shots, but 2 weeks isn’t up”, “Had one shot”, “had one shot, but two weeks isn’t up”, “had 2 shots, but from different manufacturers”, “had no shots”, plus a couple more groups. Good luck finding data to decide how many people are in each group, and how the outcomes for the different groups vary.
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
YOU can totally agree ” I totally agree that “vaccinated” should include only people who who have had at least 2 weeks after their second shot. That’s how it has been defined by the CDC all along.” but that changes nothing in the real world.  As I noted, the rest of the world doesn’t do it that way.  The fact that the CDC does do it that way ALL BY ITSELF supports that they are trying to increase the number of nonvaxxed, when truly, it is the previously vaxxed who are getting sick.  Take your head out of the sand, Carl. 
I also heard the other day that Fauci is now spouting that 2 weeks after the 2nd shot likely isn’t long enough to develop strong enough immunity.  He now says 8 weeks are needed.  Will the CDC change their goal posts to 8 weeks now? [roflol]
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Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough. When you (or the CDC) collects data, it needs to be subdivided into groups for it to be useful. You (or they) can define those groups any way you want.  They have chosen “2 weeks after the second shot” as the division point. That’s a perfectly reasonable division point, since that is what provides full protection. I data based on that division, so I can analyze it based on that division. I don’t have data based on other divisions, so I can’t analyze it based on other divisions.  You are welcome to divide things any way you want, and if you have data based on those divisions, analyze it to your heart’s content.
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jiminy
jiminy
4 years ago
I’m vaccinated but growing a tail.  Is this normal?
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Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  jiminy
Yes. We’re seeing a lot of unusual tales in a Covid world.
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  jiminy
Dilbert got there before you.
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Blurtman
Blurtman
4 years ago
The hubris of predicting the future from a snapshot in time.
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Highly Vaccinated Israel Is Seeing A Dramatic Surge In New Cases.
The bad news, doctors say, is that half of Israel’s seriously ill patients who are currently hospitalized, were fully vaccinated at least five months ago. Most of them are over 60 years old and have comorbidities. The seriously ill patients who are unvaccinated are mostly young, healthy people whose condition deteriorated quickly. Israel’s daily average number of infections has nearly doubled in the past two weeks and has increased around tenfold since mid-July, approaching the numbers during Israel’s peak in the winter. Deaths increased from five in June to at least 248 so far this month. Health officials say that currently 600 seriously ill patients are hospitalized, and they warn they cannot handle more than 1,000 serious infections at the same time.
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njbr
njbr
4 years ago
Reply to  Blurtman
Absolutely, a week or so into the grand spreader event called school with a brand-new variant expanding, is a piss-poor time to make predictions based on your political/twitter leanings.
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
The vaccinated are worried and scientists don’t have answers
Bloomberg
Aug. 21, 2021
Anecdotes tell us what the data can’t: Vaccinated people appear to be getting the coronavirus at a surprisingly high rate. But exactly how often isn’t clear, nor is it certain how likely they are to spread the virus to others. And now, there’s growing concern that vaccinated people may be more vulnerable to serious illness than previously thought.
There’s a dearth of scientific studies with concrete answers, leaving public policy makers and corporate executives to formulate plans based on fragmented information. While some are renewing mask mandates or delaying office reopenings, others cite the lack of clarity to justify staying the course. It can all feel like a mess.
“We have to be humble about what we do know and what we don’t know,” said Tom Frieden, a former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the head of the nonprofit Resolve to Save Lives. “There are a few things we can say definitively. One is that this is a hard question to address.”
Absent clear public health messaging, vaccinated people are left confused about how to protect themselves. Just how vulnerable they are is a key variable not just for public health officials trying to figure out, say, when booster shots might be needed, but also to inform decisions about whether to roll back reopenings amid a new wave of the virus. On a smaller scale, the unknowns have left music lovers unsure if it’s OK to see a concert and prompted a fresh round of hang-wringing among parents pondering what school is going to look like.
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Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The trial data finally released by Pfizer show 15 people died in the placebo arm and 14 in the vaccinated arm …
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Are the unvaccinated numbers referred to here and in the MSM REALLY the unvaccinated?  It seems the CDC has found another way to fudge the numbers.  Apparently, you aren’t counted as vaccinated until you have had TWO shots AND at least TWO weeks have passed since the 2nd shot.  If you happen to contact Cvid but have had only one shot, then you are counted as unvaccinated, which is not how it is done in every other country in the world!  Pair this with the fact that the CDC doesn’t count breakthrough infections among the vaccinated that don’t wind up in the hospital and you can begin to smell the dead rat.
Here we go again
You know how I know public health authorities are lying? Their own data
Alex Berenson
Jul 25, 2021
In the last few weeks, politicians and senior public health officials have insisted over and over that unvaccinated Americans account for essentially ALL of the deaths of people from Covid.
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Greggg
Greggg
4 years ago
As far as I know, every attempt to develop a vaccine since the mid 1980’s for corona virus has ended because of antibody dependent enhancement.    It’s only been about 10 months since the new vaccines have been introduced into the population.   I’m not vaccinated.  I can always decide if and when I might get get vaccinated, but all the rest of those that did get vaccinated, you can’t get unvaccinated and as far as I know, there is no antidote.
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Esclaro
Esclaro
4 years ago
Reply to  Greggg
My daughter sees people like you in the hospital every day. They didn’t get vaccinated and now they have Covid. They want the vaccine now but it’s too late – they either get better or die. Good luck with your poor choices.
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Moving you to the ignore list.  Buh-bye.
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
And the point of this is?  More unvaxxd scolding? 
We are still under 1/5 of 15 death rate against total USA population over a time frame of 18 months, a minuscule number of no consequence.
Back in April, the CDC released estimated 2020 Covid deaths and put that number at 375k.  It looks like we are on track to equal that in 2021 and that is after so many have gotten vaccinated.  Using these annualized numbers, the Covid death numbers work out to 0.113%, LESS THAN 1/8 of 1%, an even more miniscule number!
Given these very small death rates, the fear and scaremongering around Covid is far out of proportion to the real world danger.  All of you continuing to fan the flames of fear should be embarrassed.
The COVID-19 pandemic caused approximately 375,000 deaths in the United States during 2020
April 9, 2021
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TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Yup, its a rounding error.
Given we’ve spent a lot of time discussing wasted money in Afghanistan, I wonder when we’ll discuss the money spent on the war on Covid that also will fail just like the war in Afghanistan. I won’t be surprised if the world wide total spent tops a trillion or even 2 trillion if this continues for another year or more (as it appears there is zero end in sight).
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davidyjack
davidyjack
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
You are missing two points
* Those deaths are with a huuuge amount of mitigation techniques.
* The chance of death from covid19 is vastly different between a child and senior citizen.  Heck even between 35 yr old and a 60 year old the chances are vastly different.
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  davidyjack
And what point are you making?  That people should be responsible for their own health and safety?  Then I agree.
As to “Those deaths are with a huuuge amount of mitigation techniques.”, you can’t prove a negative or what didn’t occur.
“Never make predictions, especially about the future.”
— Casey Stengel
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whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Re: “The data is consistent and irrefutable. Vaccinations save lives. “

Well, no anti-vaxer/anti-masker would care for all those charts and graphs and tables and stuff, unless they are personally affected (and even then, only they would care; none of their own anti-vax/anti-mask buddies would).

We are in Reagan’s YOYO (You’re On Your Own) world now.   We are no longer in FDR’s WITT (We’re In This Together) world.  You celebrated the change as “progress”.  Now, you begin lamenting it.   Just don’t say you were not warned.
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StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
“We are in Reagan’s YOYO (You’re On Your Own) world now.”
If only….
“We are no longer in FDR’s WITT (We’re In This Together) world.”
Yes we are. More so now, than ever.  And that’s the problem. “Together”, unless every participant possesses de facto means to decide what “we” should do, never resolves to ay more than some being more equal. Not ever.
If you want to see “Together” which works, look at the guys who just, again, as they always do to talentless idiots high on themselves, kicked “our” butts in Afghanistan. They may cooperate with each other and share some goals, but are each sufficiently well armed that none is forced, by lack of proper access to arms, to exist solely for the purpose of aggrandizing arbitrarily privileged halfwits. It’s what limits the size of arbitrary government. hence what works. Nothing else ever did, nor ever will. 
There will never be any “on your own” as long as you are a disarmed slave to an army of middlebrows living high off any value you may add on account of a central bank robbing you by way of debasement. Which is what The West has degenerated into by now: An undifferentiated mass of (at best) mediocre middlebrows in command of almost all wealth and resources amassed back before the rot was quite so severe. Hence wasting all of it on absolutely nothing useful, while continuing the freefalling decay which is all the dimwits have the aptitude to ever oversee.
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Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Please link to epidemiological evidence for mask efficacy!
All the data and science up till now shows no efficacy, and many of the RCTs are 4 decades old.
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goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
A PATHOLOGIST SUMMARY OF WHAT THESE JABS DO TO THE BRAIN AND OTHER ORGANS
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  goldguy
Great video! 
He raises some good questions.  So WHY haven’t there been more independent autopsies of vaccinated people who died of Covid?
P.S. Anyone who is vaccinated shouldn’t watch this.  It will make you reconsider the choice you made to get vaxxed and may cause sleepless nights going forward as you worry when//if you might develop cancer, autoimmune diseases or what?  
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shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
Apparently some talk show host named Phil Valentine from Tennessee has died from covid.  He was taking tons of vitamin D and ivermectin daily instead of getting vaccinated because he was afraid the vaccine would give him a heart attack or paralysis.
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shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
No way in hell that’s accurate.  NY Times shows Florida with a 7 day average deaths per day of 212.  That’s obviously 1,484 deaths in the past 7 days.  Population 21m.  Deaths per million = 70.
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TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
1.1 deaths per 100K population = 11 per million. Multiply by 21 million and you get 231.
Close enough numbers to the NY Times 212.
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Mish
Mish
4 years ago
I confess 
I have turned into a Borg
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Call_Me
Call_Me
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
A Borg, or the Borg?  I thought one more or less was assimilated into the collective 🙂
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Call_Me
Call_Me
4 years ago
This ‘event’ has been widely covered for about 18 months now.  Excessive weight and related medical conditions are substantial factors in most serious outcomes for the non-senior set.  Has there been any improvement in the US’s obesity epidemic?  As an act of self-preservation has there been a surge of people shifting towards eating things that are less processed and more nutrient-dense?
There isn’t a 1:1 correlation, but note that Florida also sticks out from other southern states by this measure (graphic is about 1/3 of the way down the page):
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goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Call_Me
Being old and fat is no good. Pant size should be the same since your 20’s, if not, you need to diet. Oh, and don’t go to hospitals either, they are full of sick people.
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Call_Me
There are 3-4 new people at my health club that are very overweight, working on dropping lbs.  Good to see and hopefully, motivated by the Covid scaremongering.
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Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
2/3 of the fatalities have 6 or more co-morbidities, 25% 10 or more.
The most relevant co-morbidities all belong in the metabolic syndrome bag: fat, diabetic, heart, vascular problems, etc. People who already have problems with inflammation.
Risks are actually not as age stratified as it seems, but comorbidity stratified — old people collect comorbidities.
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Call_Me
Call_Me
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Good to hear.  Hope they are getting encouragement/support – not easy to undertake something like that in a public venue.
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goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
and it appears the boosters won’t help
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Anon1970
Anon1970
4 years ago
Reply to  goldguy
If the blunting is enough to keep me out of the hospital that is good enough for me.
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Anon1970
Might put you in your grave.  Read stories here:
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njbr
njbr
4 years ago

OKLAHOMA CITY (http://kfor.com/) – An Oklahoma doctor is citing a disturbing new study on the outlook of COVID-19 and elementary school students during these opening months of the school year.

Dr. George Monks of the Oklahoma State Medical Association shared models that show as many as 80 percent of elementary-aged kids who haven’t had COVID or gotten the vaccine will catch the virus if schools don’t regularly conduct COVID tests and require students and staff to wear face masks.

OSMA president Dr. Mary Clark is terrified by the stats in the August study.

“We’re really concerned about the elementary and the middle school children who cannot be vaccinated,” she said. “There is no protection for them at all except for a mask and making sure we try to socially distance as much as possible. So, we are extremely, extremely concerned.”

The CDC-funded study by North Carolina State University, the University of North Carolina and other institutions paints a grim picture of elementary schools that don’t mask or conduct regular testing. It projects that about 80 percent of students who are unvaccinated or have not had the virus, labeled susceptible students, will catch the virus in 60 days. Projections for the entire first semester are that 90 percent of susceptible elementary students would be infected if the precautions aren’t taken.

“It is very striking,” remarked Clarke.

She shared that she’s trusted models like these since the pandemic began.

“I will tell you that in the last year-and-a-half, the modeling data that we’ve been using, and that the CDC uses, and our current epidemiologists use, have pretty much proven out to be true. So, I would not expect these data to be any different. But if you do what’s right, the numbers will be lower and hopefully our models look different.”

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Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
4 years ago
Reply to  njbr
Catching the virus is not really an issue for children since their immune systems can defend against the attack, as data shows. Pfizer reported to the FDA their vaccine is 3x as likely to cause damage than getting COVID; so it is illogical to vaccinate those under 25 years of age unless the individual has multiple co-morbidities.
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njbr
njbr
4 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
You know what–the data on serious illness, deaths, and long-covid for the delta variant really isn’t known now.
I get it–you say sacrifice the old people for the economy…
The gamble with regard to children being made in many states is the same as what you say.
If that gamble turns out to be wrong, what is the next thing to be said by your crowd–be willing to sacrifice the young ones for the sake of the economy?
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Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  njbr
In what way is he saying sacrifice the old?
Didn’t see that in there. The jab doesn’t stop transmission, and nobody had claimed it does (except nitwits).
Let the old protect themselves — they have a completely difference balance of risks.
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Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  njbr
Masks?
CDC just published another study that showed no benefit to masking children, either for them or the community.
Masks do not stop Covid. Why do you think they do?
All the science for decades show masks do not work, says right on the packaging.
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njbr
njbr
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Well, I have my own doubts on the efficacy of masks while sitting shoulder to shoulder in a poorly ventilated room for 6  hours a day, 5 days a week.
My point is that people are making a gamble on this year being like last year.  With a new, more virulent variant.
Do you bet on this years team using last years stats?  If there has been a major turnover of players/coaches?
Sounds like trouble to me.
I’m taking my precautions, I’m vaccinated and will get the booster, I avoid crowded places, wear a mask when I go in–but I limit my time of exposure.  Schools are exactly different.
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Call_Me
Call_Me
4 years ago
Reply to  njbr
The general population’s susceptibility is also different from last year, so you should bear that in mind.
As for children, schools in the U.S. and other countries have not been substantial sources for infection so where is the gamble?  Masking young children is more deleterious than people realize.  They bring their hands to their faces/eyes more often, don’t keep the masks clean, and there is a negative aspect to their development and mental health.
Mask usage for school staff (not students) and increased air circulation:
Transmission research in schools:
Then there is the long-range impact that will be felt years from now, as developmentally delayed infants mature:
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TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
The old people in Florida (of which there are a higher percentage than anywhere else) are getting Vaxxed just as they should be doing. If I was their age, I’d be getting it too.
My Florida county (West Palm) just declared 7 day emergency measures presumably because the rates are spiking or because hospital beds are short or both. Yet I went to 3 places yesterday (Publix grocery store, Walgreens and the Post Office) and approximately half the people were masked and no one seemed to care either way (no signs about the emergency, no one spoke to anyone non-masked including me). I actually wore mine in the post office thinking it was a federal building and I had to but several there were not masked and one of the clerks had hers down on her chin the whole time chatting on the phone + customers. Today I went to 2 more places (Macys department store and a local family restaurant) and it was essentially the same in terms of masks and level of care. No one at all seems the least bit worried at all anymore.
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whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
“The old people in Florida (of which there are a higher percentage than anywhere else) are getting Vaxxed just as they should be doing.”

The talk show guy in Nashville, TN thought the same too.  That he was not old and so it was OK to go unvaccinated.   But the virus didn’t give a damn about what he thought.  End of story.

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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Weeding the herd of the weak, leaving more resources for everyone else. 
Just wait until the vaccine side effect damage starts showing up.
OpenVAERS Data
VAERS is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System put in place in 1990. It is a voluntary reporting system that has been estimated to account for only 1% (see the Lazarus Report) of vaccine injuries. OpenVAERS is built from the HHS data available for download at http://vaers.hhs.gov.
1,384,264 REPORTS OF VACCINE ADVERSE EVENTS IN VAERS
    12,791 Post-COVID Vaccine Reported Deaths
    51,242 Post-COVID Vaccine Reported Hospitalizations
  571,830 COVID Vaccine Adverse Event Reports
Through August 06, 2021
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whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Maybe if you type tinfoilhat, you can get to the same site?!    LOL
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
TInfoil?  You should understand that the CDC and FDA use the VAERS site to monitor after-effects from vaccine?  Europe has one also called EUDRS and the numbers of reported problems and deaths after taking the Covid vaccines are significantly higher that what we are seeing in the VAERS db.
Keep your head in the sand.  We’ll take photos and laugh at you.
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whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
“VERDICT

False. Claims of widespread death due to COVID-19 vaccines reported on VAERS are false. Entries in VAERS do not prove causality. According to the CDC, there have been three confirmed deaths connected to the Janssen COVID-19 vaccine.”

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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Show me a cite to support that BS.  Bet you can’t produce a valid reference.  It’s easier just to shoot off your internet mouth.
Here’s another place to read possible vaccine related deaths:
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Esclaro
Esclaro
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Maybe you should start drinking bleach and help society get rid of the weak minded.
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
This is unacceptable!  Y’all are supposed to be scared, crapping in your boots.  The MSM is failing at their job.
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Esclaro
Esclaro
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
You need to read more articles about anti vaxxers death bed conversions. They all talked big like you until faced with death as a result of their poor choices. Then they were crying and begging everyone to get vaccinated!
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Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
You are turning covid into a soap opera.
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Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Deathbed conversions are a dime-a-dozen.  You’ll find the same thing in the lung cancer wards of people who wished they had stopped smoking or the heart attack/replacement sufferers wishing they had exercised more and eaten better.  And yet still, 600k people in the USA die EVERY YEAR of heart attacks and 600k people die of various forms of cancer, again EVERY YEAR.
Meanwhile, Covid had only 375k deaths in 2020.
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