Democrats Finally Reach Out to Manchin, Is it Too Late?

Senator Joe Manchin’s Facebook Page Image.

Ball in Manchin’s Court

The Wall Street Journal reports Democrats Put Build Back Better in Joe Manchin’s Court, emphasis mine.

Democrats are increasingly willing to accept whatever child-care, healthcare and climate package that Sen. Joe Manchin (D., W.Va.) would support as they return to Washington this week, hoping to salvage elements of the party’s economic agenda after months of failed negotiations.

Party lawmakers have started to change their attitude toward the package as they grapple with the possibility of failing to convert their narrow control of Congress into progress on major party goals. Some have moved away from insisting that the package include particular priorities, instead advocating for the party to notch a result with Mr. Manchin ahead of the midterm elections.

“Democrats can’t let our disappointment get in the way of progress on something we’ve worked hard to achieve,” said Rep. Peter Welch (D., Vt.), who is running for Senate. Many Democrats are eager to start piecing together legislation after Mr. Manchin’s rejection of the House-passed Build Back Better bill put talks on ice for weeks. In a West Virginia broadcast interview, Mr. Manchin said talks had restarted on the bill, adding that he was primarily focused on a separate effort on bipartisan elections legislation.

“There’s a lot of conversations going on, they’ve been reaching out. We haven’t sat down physically and started any negotiations,” Mr. Manchin said on Thursday. “I think taking care of our voting and protecting our right to vote and protecting the ballot box is the most important, urgent thing we have right now.

Reasons Time May Have Passed   

  1. Senator Bernie Sanders is calling for up or down votes on every idea. “The current direction that we have followed for the past five months has failed. We’ve got to move in a new direction,” Mr. Sanders said.
  2. Senator Manchin has other priorities, especially voting.
  3. The House Progressive Caucus will be loathe to accept some of Manchin’s requirements. 
  4. Another potential government shutdown is in the works. The 2021 settlement extended government funding through February 18. That will be the top priority for the next two weeks. 
  5. Biden pledged to nominate a black woman to the Supreme Court but has of yet selected anyone. The Senate confirmation hearings will  take a while. 
  6. Some Democrats still insist on removing the $10,000 cap on the state and local tax deductions and the expanded child tax credit. A group of Senate Democrats wrote a letter to Mr. Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris last week calling on them to continue an expansion of the child tax credit in the legislation.

2022 Congressional Calendar

2022 Congressional calendar from Rational360.Com

Deal Still Possible 

Whatever gets done will likely have to get done by the end of July. 

In August and October the House is not in session although Speaker Nancy Pelosi could call them back. 

There is still time, but the best shots are March, May, June, and July. There is too much other business in February. 

Bipartisan Group Targets Election Reform

Please note Senators Seek Changes to Electoral Count Act to Firm Up Presidential Elections

Republicans in recent weeks have started talking about making changes to the Electoral Count Act in an effort to stop a repeat of what happened following the 2020 election. Then-President Donald Trump, a Republican, had urged then-Vice President Mike Pence to reject the Electoral College votes from some states, which he declined to do. That same day, the Capitol was overrun by a pro-Trump mob seeking to stop the certification of the election victory of President Biden, a Democrat.

Sen. Susan Collins (R., Maine), who is leading the bipartisan effort, said Thursday she was encouraged by the interest from colleagues from both parties in overhauling the law. Sen. Susan Collins (R., Maine), who is leading the bipartisan effort, said Thursday she was encouraged by the interest from colleagues from both parties in overhauling the law.

Overturning the Next Election

If the concern is stealing the Presidency, then fix the Electoral Count Act said the WSJ in Overturning the Next Election on January 4, 2022.

The anniversary of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot is Washington’s theme of the week, and waves of righteous anger will roll across the Mall. We agree the riot was disgraceful, but then why not rewrite the law that encouraged Donald Trump’s supporters to think Congress could overturn the 2020 election?

We’re referring to the Electoral Count Act, the ambiguous 19th-century statute that purports to allow for a majority of Congress to disqualify a state’s electors after the Electoral College has voted. Congress’s certification of presidential election results should be a technicality, but Mr. Trump misled supporters into believing Vice President Mike Pence and Congress could overturn Joe Biden’s victory, leading to the Jan. 6 march on the Capitol.

The effort wasn’t close to succeeding, with only eight Senators objecting to the results in any states, though 139 Republicans did in the House. No Senators voted to object to enough states to deprive President Biden of the 270 electoral votes he needed to win. Presiding over the Senate, Mr. Pence properly understood his limited constitutional role and resisted Mr. Trump’s pressure to intervene. He was one of the heroes of that day.

Still, Jan. 6 was the most significant abuse of the law to date and part of a growing trend. A smaller number of congressional Democrats used the Electoral Count Act to object to both of George W. Bush’s victories as well as Donald Trump’s in 2016.

The Electoral Count Act was an attempt to avoid the mess that followed the contested 1876 Hayes-Tilden election, but its ambiguous language has made it open to abuse. In these polarized times, both parties could use the law in the future as an excuse to attempt to overturn an election in the House and Senate.

Congress shouldn’t have even the appearance of this power. The Framers didn’t want the executive branch beholden to Congress, which is why they designed an Electoral College to elect the President. They gave state legislatures the power to certify electoral votes, as they do according to the popular vote count in each state. Though the Electoral Count Act has never been tested in court, in our view it is unconstitutional.

That’s what needs to be fixed, but what Progressives demand is far removed. 

And it’s unclear what Manchin is actually referring to when he says “I think taking care of our voting and protecting our right to vote and protecting the ballot box is the most important, urgent thing we have right now.

Fixing the Voting Rights Act should be a simple process. But somehow these things never are.

Look for Elizabeth Warren and the Senate Progressives to possibly demand more than Senators Manchin and Krysten Sinema are willing to go along with. 

This could be done in a week, or two months. 

Meanwhile, Senator Sanders wants to try something new. The House is torn on the environment, on child care, and on on removing the $10,000 cap on the state and local tax deductions.

Has Time Realistically Expired?

If the bickering and demands continue, yes it has. Will Democrats salvage something?

This is what it comes down to.

I still think “something” is likely, but depending on what that something is, I’d rather see nothing. 

This post originated at MishTalk.Com

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wmjack50
wmjack50
2 years ago
Anything that adds money to child production by the dependent population will only quicken the decline of the USA into 3rd world status .
75 % of births in minority and 50% of births in majority are to unwed parents. These money babies grow up to fill our jails now 2.3 million and growing.  Lawyers love it for work as do politicians for voter base production.  THE GREAT SOCIETY lives on in the hearts of progressives.  
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Having Pete in charge of transportation and his goal to reduce road racism certainly doesn’t help. Manchin has to see this for what it is. The money won’t be spent on building anything back better. It will be spent on combating global warming and equity. West Virginia won’t benefit, so why should he vote for it?
Rbm
Rbm
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
You mean manchin wont benefit from it. 
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
I always disliked these huge bills containing everything but the kitchen sink. If the Democrats had broken up the bill into its component parts then some, perhaps many would have been debated and possibly passed. Bernie was right in this. By putting everything into one bill you know won’t get passed you absolve both sides of having to compromise. 
Jackula
Jackula
2 years ago
Bipartisan voting reform is the critical issue here and I’m happy to see Manchin is still noting this is the first priority. If this isn’t fixed I’m planning on being out of the country during the next presidential elections. It has always been a bad idea to roll all of the other legislation into one package. 
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
“The House Progressive Caucus will be loathe to accept some of Manchin’s requirements. “

It is a fallacy to think that the progressives have any control over anything in the DONORcrat Party.   They had threatened to not vote for the BIF unless BBB was passed as well.   OK.  So, what happened with that??!!   LOL

In the end, the progressives will accept whatever crap the establishment offers.    Remember, you can’t change the DONORcrat Party; the DONORcrat Party changes YOU.   The progressives show how true that is, time and time again.

One-armed Economist
One-armed Economist
2 years ago
You’ve gone if the deep end with your strawman lies/fantasy. LIBERALS ALWAYS KNEW THEY HAD TO DEAL W/ MANCHIN; AND TO ASSERT OTHERWISE IS EITHER IGNORANCE OR LIES.
I’ve got to quit even looking at your mobile goal post politics.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Mish seems to think that lifelong right-wing DONORcrats like HR Clinton and Biden are “progressives” or even “socialists”, LOL.

When their usage is wrong to that extent, words tend to lose all their meaning!  

vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
mish is great at economics.   his political knowledge is basic amerikan ignorance on what has happened.    if Ds are socialists,  than i am karl marx.    just too funny.    amerikans Rs are radicals,  not conservatives,   our Ds are illiberals,  and corporate fascists,  NOT LIBERAL.    if words have meaning that is.  
Jmurr
Jmurr
2 years ago
With a projected deficit of 1.7 trillion before any new spending bill, the BBB in any form is ludicrous. 
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
Particularly if the FED start shrinking their balance sheet.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
i’ve always preferred gridlock,  and not wanting the politicians to do much of anything but bicker.   but i’m old fashioned,  and certainly i have not gotten my way.    the peasants demand, and the ruling class has delivered a monstrosity of new laws, spending, wars and on and on and on………..
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
2 years ago
The Democrats had a FULL YEAR to change the limit on deductions of state and local taxes reported on Federal Tax returns. They didn’t, which means they wanted the revenue even thought it hurt there constituents in high tax states such as California and New York.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
2 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
It’s not good optics to repeal one of the few taxes that impact the rich more than the working class, especially during an election year.  
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
It is deeply ironic that ESG policies plus bad weather and geopolitics have come together suddenly to make coal companies like Peabody Energy and Alliance Resource Partners some of the best looking investment bets for 2022.  All driven by poorly considered energy policy enacted with the aim of decarbonization. It makes the progressives here and the Greens n Europe look like idiots. 
Because they are.
What happened to people who can do math?
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
You are behind the times. Math is racist. Therefore anything that uses math is racist. So engineers must be the most racist of all professions. 
When Kerry turns his private jet in for recycling wake me up. That will be a sign he believes his own rhetoric. 
prumbly
prumbly
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
2021 saw the highest demand for coal EVER in the history of the world, despite years of green nutjobs trying to destroy the industry. I see this as a very good sign – the public can see that the Green Emperor has no clothes, and that we will need lots and lots of fossil fuels for the foreseeable future.
QTPie
QTPie
2 years ago
Manchin’s own $1.8T proposal did not employ budget gimmicks… it was foolishly declined by the Biden administration. Hard to tell at this point if Manchin will be willing to revive it.
What’s certain is that any final bill is unlikely to contain any child tax credits in it. No way to make that work without budget gimmicks.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
What it Comes Dow To 
Just added this Tweet to the post
ohno
ohno
2 years ago
Yes, build back better then ruin it also with all your stupid crap.

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