Despite Seemingly Strong Retail Sales, GDPNow Forecast Dips to Negative 1.5 Percent

GDPNow data from the Atlanta Fed, chart by Mish.

The July 15 update to the Atlanta Fed GDPNow Forecast shows a slight dip to -1.5 percent.

Real Final Sales

Most eyes are on the headline number, but that’s not what one should be watching. The important number is Real Final Sales (RFS). It’s the true bottom line number for the economy.

A week ago, the GDPNow RFS estimate bounce to +1.3 percent from +0.3 percent. Today RFS settled lower at 1.0 percent.

If RFS comes in negative for the quarter, the recession may have started in the first quarter.

If not, May or possibly July seems likely. 

Economic Numbers and GDPNow Reactions

Actual economic numbers do not matter to the GDPNow forecast. What does matter is the strength of the data vs what the model expected.

This is why the model forecast frequently goes in the opposite direction of the appearance of strength or weakness in the data.

The GDPNow forecast fell today because based on previous data, the model expected better CPI data or better retail sales data than what happened. 

A week ago I commented “This likely sets the tone for higher model expectations looking ahead. I expect weakness.” 

We are all treating these numbers as if they are likely because the final GDPNow model forecast for each quarter has been very good for many quarters.

However, the model could easily be off in either direction by a substantial amount. 

Retail Sales Look Strong But Fail to Keep Up With Soaring Inflation

Nominal retail sales from commerce department, real (inflation-adjusted) sales by Mish.

Retail sales rose 1.0 percent in June. 

The Bloomberg Econoday forecast was for 0.9 percent. But the Commerce Department revised May up from -0.3 percent to -0.1 percent. 

Effectively June retail sales were 0.3 percent higher than economists expected, but the GDPNow model expected even better (or the CPI lower), thus its estimate fell.

Real vs Nominal Retail Sales Detail

Nominal retail sales from commerce department, real (inflation-adjusted) sales by Mish.

Strong Consumer?

It’s real sales not nominal sales that add to real GDP. 

Nominal sales rose again, but real retail sales peaked 15 months ago!

For further discussion, please see Retail Sales Look Strong But Fail to Keep Up With Soaring Inflation

Looking Ahead to More June Data

That subtitle looks strange given that it’s now July 15, but the economic reports for June are not yet in.

Key reports on ISM, new home sales, existing home sales, PCE, and income are coming up.

Rate Hikes

CME Fedwatch has the odds of another three-quarter point hike at 69.1% with a full point hike at 30.9%. 

The next FOMC decision is on July 29, about two weeks from now. Even if we are borderline recession now, another 75 basis point hike ought to do the trick.

Given the lagging nature of hikes, lagging nature of jobs, and a tight labor market, the Fed is likely to overshoot. A 75 basis point hike to 2.25-2.50% could do it.

Expect a Long But Shallow Recession With Minimal Job Losses

From a jobs standpoint I expect a Long But Shallow Recession With Minimal Job Losses.

From a stock market perspective, I expect things will be brutal.

For discussion, please see Artificial Wealth vs GDP: Why Earnings and the Stock Market Will Get Crushed

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Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago

Both the 10mo roc in DDs and the 24mo roc in DDs crater in November (but that time series is not as accurate as required reserves).

Link: https://www.yardeni.com/pub/monetagg.pdf

See: Figure 24 Demand deposits as a percentage of M2

That gives an extra monetary punch.

Bam_Man
Bam_Man
3 years ago
“Strongest (shrinking) economy EVER”, according to Biden’s diversity-hire Press Secretary.
Robbyrob
Robbyrob
3 years ago
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Robbyrob
Let’s see what Russia does next Thursday or Friday when Nordstream is scheduled to be turned back on. If they keep it shut off, that list is going to grow.
WarpartySerf
WarpartySerf
3 years ago

“the Fed is likely to overshoot. A 75 basis point hike to 2.25-2.50% could do it.”

Are you kidding ? True inflation is probably around 18-20%. How does 2.25% interest rates even begin to affect the result of 30 years of massive Fed counterfeiting ? Jeez
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  WarpartySerf
dead on. true inflation of money supply and shadow stats CPI…….pushing 20%. the ruling class have a few options. keep cranking up rates, or have a gigantic jubilee. i don’t see many other options…….
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
104F in London this weekend. A supposed once in 500 year event that’s about to happen every year.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Yes. And there is very little we can, or will do about it. More people are, and will, suffer and die from the impact of global warming and the resulting climate change, each and every year going forward.
But even more will die from lack of energy that pumps our water, helps produce our food, provides cooling against oppressive heat, or warmth against extreme cold and is the backbone of our economy and way of life.
I understand that you are trying to make a point to those who refuse to believe that global warming is even happening. You are wasting your time. They will never believe you. They will ridicule you and scream that “you” don’t understand science and that we are heading towards global cooling and we need more CO2 in the atmosphere. Just as the flat earth people will ridicule those who understand that the earth is spherical. You can’t fight stupidity.
And it doesn’t matter if its 105, 110, or 150F. Because they will tell you its natural, its happened before, or its good for you.
And they will keep going back to the sources that feed them the false info that convinces them and reinforces their belief that science and scientists are wrong, and its all a hoax and conspiracy.
But here is the sad truth. Even if you were successful in your endeavour to convince them of the science, and suddenly everyone who reads this blog realized that global warming is happening, they are merely a drop in the bucket. If you want to make a difference you need to convince virtually everyone in the world who currently refuses to understand. That might make a difference. But you won’t do that from here.
Now, I imagine that a few of the idiots might reply to you or I on this topic. I am going to tell them right now that I am not going to waste my time debating with morons.
However, if they want to talk about investments, I am willing.
Which brings me to my favourite topic. Oil and gas companies and the investment opportunity they provide. After a century of expanding their reserves with as much borrowed money as they could get their hands on, they have been reducing capex for a decade now. Because they understand that, because of global warming, the world is in a transition away from fossil fuels towards renewable energy. And they are no longer interested in spending money to find reserves that may not be needed in the future. Better to keep capex low to focus on pumping what they already have found, while maintaining or expanding reserves modestly when the right opportunity presents itself.
The result of this fundamental change in strategy for oil companies over the last decade is the present and future restriction of supply of fossil fuels. Which would be fine if the demand for energy was growing more slowly than it is, and if renewables were being built faster than they are. But the oil companies have no control over demand, and they themselves are only investing a tiny amount in renewables, because they don’t provide sufficient return to justify the investment.
The bad news (for the world) is that there is going to be an energy shortage for the rest of this decade, if not longer.
The good news (for fossil fuel companies) is that this is going to keep oil and gas prices very high for a long time, and they are going to make a crap load of money from those high prices.
And that is the investment opportunity of the decade as far as I am concerned. I cannot change global warming or how we are dealing with it. But I can take advantage of the opportunity it presents.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
great analysis. thank you sir, . hat tip your way.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Thanks. Just trying to tell it like it is. And profit from that understanding.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
The anthropogenic global warming hypothesis is sloppy work, and was from the get-go. It’s nothing more than religion.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
As I said, I won’t debate with morons. Don’t expect me to respond again. You’re a waste of my time. Try debating with someone who gives a f*ck.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
… says the “progressive” moron who hates this country’s guts and wants to destroy it.
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
3 years ago
If you only paid more taxes, this wouldn’t be happening.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Wow, a hot summer. Who knew?!
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Don’t worry, the water running out will be a much larger problem than temperatures.
Picked up shares of Pentiar, at least they know the water business.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
“The water running out,” says the guy who was asleep in 7th grade science class when the teacher talked about the water cycle. LOL
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
You mean the random meanderings of the Jet Stream that caused this unusual weather is now going to repeat the exact same random pattern every year?
Incidentally there were similar heat waves in the UK in 1911, 1976, 1990, 2003…
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Ah, 2003. I was in Europe for that heat wave.
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
“Incidentally there were similar heat waves in the UK in 1911, 1976, 1990, 2003…”
Not as hot. Highest was 38.7C in 2019.
The highest in 1911 was 36.7°C, 1976 was 35.9°C, 1990 37.1°C, 2003 38.5°C.
So 79 years before we broke the 1911 record in 1990 and in the last 32 years we will have exceeded it 3 times after this week. Not very scientific I know but ……
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
These highs are recorded in London. London today is not the same as London in 1911. Today’s London is hundreds of square miles of concrete and asphalt, with A/C units pumping out heat everywhere. Google “urban heat island effect”. That alone is worth several degrees of temperature change.
Of course the climate-change fruitbats refuse to even acknowledge that urban heat islands affect temperature records, but there is a lot of (ignored) scientific evidence on it – plus, of course, the common experience of anyone who has actually visited a big city in summer. But hey, why let reality interfere with the narrative!
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
No the highs weren’t recorded in London. 1990 was Cheltenham Gloucestershire, 2003 was Brogdale Kent, 2019 was Cambridge. A/C units aren’t as common in the UK as in the states. Big new office blocks in London would have them but most buildings in the UK don’t.
However, clearly the country is more built up than 1911.
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly

Today thermometers hit 40.3C at Coningsby in Lincolnshire, while 33 other locations went past the UK’s previous highest temperature of 38.7C, set in 2019.

PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Came back to have a quick look at the responses to you. Lol! Too funny.
I rest my case.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
I’m more inclined to listen to announcements made by large corporations. This is the first economic cycle where some major corporations are calling for a recession and laying people off. JP Morgan announced it was halting share buybacks. I’ve even overheard whispers in my office that my employer is delaying reorganizing because borrowing money to pay back early investors now costs too much.
And I don’t believe for one moment the US is immune from the European economy. Energy prices are redirecting money away from discretionary spending.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
I’d love to know how many people are working for high-tech startups that are near the end of their last round of venture financing.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Many startups will fail. I have heard plenty about startups running out of money with nothing marketable to offer.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
“Energy prices are redirecting money away from discretionary spending.”
I wonder if that’s actually true. The money that goes to energy companies ends up as taxes paid to governments (who quickly spend it), or dividends to investors (who spend it), or investment spending by the energy companies themselves (which creates jobs, paying people money that they then spend…), or it sits in a bank account somewhere and the bank lends it out… etc…
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
None of those conditions applies where I live. People who spend more on motor fuel and heating fuel have less to spend on other things.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Here is “one” study I could find that covered a 5 year period beginning in 2009. It is difficult to say if it applies today.
Large oil companies paid 11.7% tax and small oil companies paid 3.7% tax.
After expenses and taxes, most remaining cash flow goes to shareholders. I am expecting that cash flow to be over 20%/yr for the next 5 years at least.
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Not when the velocity of money is 1
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Now there is no money figure standing alone that can be used to accurately forecast the economy. Both the 10mo roc in DDs and the 24mo roc in DDs crater in November (but that time series is not as accurate as required reserves).
“The “true” or Rothbard-Salerno money supply measure (TMS)—is the metric developed by Murray Rothbard and Joseph Salerno, and is designed to provide a better measure of money supply fluctuations than M2. This measure of the money supply differs from M2 in that it includes Treasury deposits at the Fed (and excludes short-time deposits and retail money funds).”
That makes some sense with the exception of the Treasury’s General Fund Account, because those balances aren’t always quickly used. What you can’t predict is the demand for money (the inverse of velocity). So, we could be in a recession.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Let’s keep this really simply. We are still getting a fair number of metrics meeting expectations, so by this very simple measure, we’re NOT in a recession. In terms of overall final post-mortum on the Fed under or over reaction, it will be purely defined by the depth of job losses. My recession meter still says no sooner than early 2023. My God the amount of traffic on the road here in North Atlanta is just stupid.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago

Money has no significant
impact on prices unless it is being exchanged.
From the standpoint of the system, banks don’t
lend deposits. Deposits are the result of lending. Bank-held savings have a
zero payment’s velocity (like remunerated IBDDs which have little reserve
velocity).
The only way to track R-GDP and prices was to
track required reserves (as reserves were driven by payments). As Dr. Richard Anderson
pointed out: (11/16/06 “Since
no one in the Fed tracks reserves”).

There was a perfect
connection between required reserves and both R-gDp and prices (which nobody
knew). That’s how I predicted both the flash crash in stocks and the flash
crash in bonds. Now, Powell has eliminated them. The FED is operating without
an anchor or a rudder.

Daniel L. Thornton, May 12,
2022 agrees with me:

“However, on March 26, 2020,
the Board of Governors reduced the reserve requirement on checkable deposits to
zero. This action ended the Fed’s ability to control M1. In February 2021 the
Board redefined M1 so that M1 and M2 are very nearly identical. Consequently,
it makes little sense to distinguish between them. In any event, the checkable
deposit portion of M2 cannot be controlled now because there are no longer
reserve requirements on these deposits. Here is the reason the Fed cannot
control these deposits.”

As I said: The only tool,
credit control device, at the disposal of the monetary authority in a free
capitalistic system through which the volume of money can be properly
controlled is legal reserves. The FED will obviously, sometime in the future,
lose control of the money stock.
May 8, 2020. 10:38 AMLink
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Even before the Fed Eliminated reserves the only constraint on lending was capital impairment and ability to find creditworthy borrowers.
Greenspan allowed Sweeps (1994 I believe) and from that moment money people thought was in their checking accounts really wasn’t.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Not aware of any Austrians who believe in money multiplier theory.
As to “savings accounts” I have written the term is a joke. They are really “lending accounts”. One relinquishes control of their deposits in return for interest payments.
Ironically, it is checking accounts that are truly savings accounts (rather were supposed to be). But as discussed, that money is not really there, it’s all been lent out dating to 1994.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Looks like Xiden came out of Saudi Arabia empty-handed on the oil front.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
But he got that knuckle bump. Go Brandon!
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
And maybe got a few side-deals for the Boy…
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Now there is a thought, what would Xiden give up in exchange for a safe bolt hole for his drug-soaked spawn?
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
I imagine this visit simply laid the ground work for Hunter to come in soon and enrich the Biden family via some ‘deals’ that go under the radar. Can’t forget the 10% for the big guy.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Probably, Saudi Arabia didn’t want to reveal the secret that it doesn’t have spare capacity.
SA’s stature in the world rests solely on unlimited oil supply.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
I laugh at “peak oil.” One of these years, the U.S. will stage a coup in Venezuela and start pumping again.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“Expect a Long But Shallow Recession…”
What would be your definition of long and shallow?
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
I don’t know about length, put I pinned Mish down to unemployment only rising by a low 1%, say 1.2’ish. Basing the depth primarily on job losses driven by higher unemployment is a reasonable definition. In other words, it puts it in the same category as the mild dot com & 1990 recessions.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
1% or so rise in unemployment
Time?
May go in and out of recession or be close to 0% growth for years
Too much money sloshing around for Fed to step on the gas without reigniting inflation – factor in the collapse of globalization and stimulating growth without inflation will be difficult
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Interest rates and Q (either E or T) are blunt tools. To think the Fed can engineer a so-called soft landing is akin to thinking the cataract doctor can operate with a chainsaw. If you’re correct, it’ll be because the job opening backlog will get used up. To me, the complicating factor is that 20 states are still handing out state-level stim checks. Very stupid policy, but that’s Xiden and Congress for ya. Should be interesting.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
I agree with Mish. I think we’re in for a very bumpy up & down ride over the 2-3 years. Most likely we’ll be talking about the triple dip recession. Housing will fall about 10% nationally in the next 6-9 months. We’ll get our first dip by 1st quarter next year, which will push down mortgage rates to below 5%. With the combination of lower home prices and mortgage rates, the housing market heat back up by next summer.
But, there will be all sorts of continued slowing indicators without any significant job losses. The Fed will not have lowered rates to any appreciable degree, and it certainly won’t jump at QE. Then by the end of 2023, a re-igniting housing market is going to put the Fed in a pickle. That’s the point in early 2024 when everything starts to get really sketchy / fuzzy.
With avg rents reaching $5K in NYC, the rental market shows & will not show signs of weakening for years to come, or no sooner than unemployment reaching 5.6%. I firmly believe that the biggest impact all these undocumented workers will have on our economy is pushing rental prices higher. This, of course, assumes we don’t have a significant recession at which point crime will make nowadays look like a walk in the park.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
I’ve thought a lot about his prediction of a painless recession on the employment front. It is hugely counterintuitive, and incongruent with my decades of experience and observation through multiple recessions. The only argument I can see for his view is the idea that there’s such a big reservoir of help-wanted signs that there’s plenty of slack to work through. It might be the case, but I’ll have to see it to believe it.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
One of the things that the soft-landing crowd tends to forget, beyond the bluntness of the Fed’s tools, is that recessions unfold like dominos or musical chairs. All manner of nasties come crawling out of the woodwork from unexpected directions. But I’ll give Mish (again) huge credit for his non-consensus recession call earlier this year, so I’m only voicing skepticm. It’d be great if he turns out to be correct.

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