Once again, Musk ventures outside his role with statements that complicate matters for Trump. 
Should the US Leave NATO and the UN?
Let’s see what Trump has to say. The WSJ has a good synopsis in Trump’s Embrace of Russia Rocks NATO Alliance
Trump staked out a position that many European allies saw as siding with Russia’s autocratic leader, Vladimir Putin, by dismissing the security concerns of a friendly country in need of Western help. He said Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was losing the war and had “no cards.”
NATO is based on the idea that the U.S. would use its military might, including its arsenal of nuclear weapons, to come to the defense of any ally that is attacked. That bedrock assumption has now been called into question.
“I worry that we may be in the last days of NATO,” said retired Navy Adm. James Stavridis, who served as NATO’s supreme allied commander. He said the trans-Atlantic alliance “may not be about to collapse, but I can sure hear it creaking louder than at any time in my long career in the military.”
Trump on Sunday wrote on his Truth Social platform: “We should spend less time worrying about Putin, and more time worrying about migrant rape gangs, drug lords, murderers, and people from mental institutions entering our Country—So that we don’t end up like Europe!” Last week, he said the European Union “was formed in order to screw the United States.”
The White House, in response to a question Monday about Trump’s faith in NATO, pointed to his comments Thursday at a news conference with British Prime Minister Keir Starmer. Asked there if he supports NATO’s mutual-defense clause, Article 5 of its founding treaty, Trump said, “I support it.”
The strength of Trump’s support for NATO has varied over time and by area of focus. On Friday, with Zelensky, he said, “we’re committed to NATO” and praised alliance member Poland, which spends heavily on defense. He was less enthusiastic in his support for the high-spending Baltic states, which are also in NATO.
“We want to preserve the trans-Atlantic partnership and our joint strength,” German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said Saturday. “But yesterday showed once again that we Europeans must not be naive,” she said, referring to events Friday at the White House. “We must take responsibility for our own interests, our own values and our own security, for the sake of our people in Europe.”
Questions Two and Three
Do you agree with this statement by Trump: “We should spend less time worrying about Putin, and more time worrying about migrant rape gangs, drug lords, murderers, and people from mental institutions entering our Country—So that we don’t end up like Europe!”
I do, in general, although I would phrase it quite a bit differently.
How about: “We’re committed to NATO”
Trump’s statements are not contradictory. He is more concerned over immigration than Putin. I believe that is reasonable, with the delivery debatable.
And he supports NATO but does not believe the EU is carrying its weight.
Stirring the Pot
Musk stirred the pot, with support for leaving NATO and the UN.
Perhaps you agree, but that is not what Trump has stated, and it’s a headache Trump doesn’t need.
Returning to the WSJ
The current crisis flips Europe’s longstanding security dilemma on its head. For years, U.S. strategists fretted over whether they could fend off hostility from Moscow if Europe didn’t pull its weight militarily. Now it is Europeans who are in a sweat, wondering if they can defend against Russia without the U.S.
“Europeans are wise to be concerned and to build up their own military industry and capabilities,” said Rose Gottemoeller, a former NATO deputy secretary-general and chief U.S. arms negotiator with Russia.
“If you expect Trump will deal transactionally with Europe or disengage—or both—you have to prepare for both,” said Giuseppe Spatafora, a former NATO planner and now a research analyst at the EU Institute for Security Studies, the bloc’s external-policy think tank.
“How you make up for the U.S. commitment is a political question, and one that must be discussed and acted upon now,” said Spatafora.
Whether planned or not, that is the reaction that Trump wants from Europe.
But did Musk help or hurt that effort?
What About the UN?
“America provides way too much funding to the UN and associated entities,” said Musk on February 10.
That was in response to Bill Ackman who stated “The more I learn about the @UN, one of the largest NGOs, the more I think our support for the UN deserves careful scrutiny. And as @realDonaldTrump would notice, it occupies great waterfront real estate in NYC.”
Last fiscal year, Congress approved $1.54 billion for the UN’s Core Budget. But how much are we really spending?
The Council on Foreign Relations addresses the question Funding the United Nations: How Much Does the U.S. Pay?
The United States today remains the largest donor to the United Nations. It contributed close to $13 billion in 2023, accounting for more than a quarter of funding for the body’s collective budget. Following President Donald Trump’s efforts to cut funding during his first term, President Joe Biden asserted the United Nations’ importance to U.S. foreign policy by restoring funding to several agencies that was paused by Trump. At the outset of his second term, however, Trump is again pursuing a reevaluation of the United States’ engagement with the United Nations, advocating for a reassessment of U.S. contributions due to what he says is the body’s inefficiencies and biases.
These mandatory contributions help fund the United Nations’ regular budget, which covers the body’s administrative costs and core activities such as special political missions, as well as peacekeeping operations. In 2024, the United Nations assessed the United States’ share of the regular budget at 22 percent and its share of the peacekeeping budget at 27 percent. However, the U.S. Congress caps contributions to the peacekeeping budget at 25 percent—a limit set in 1995 due to concerns the U.S. assessment was too high—leaving the United States in arrears.
The U.S. government contributed almost $13 billion to the United Nations in fiscal year 2023 (FY 2023), the most recent year for which complete data is available. Approximately 24 percent of this total was assessed, 75 percent was voluntary, and the rest was revenue from other activities, meaning money from services and investments.
[In his first administration] Trump also tried to cut aid to UN peacekeeping efforts by almost half a billion dollars. While Congress largely rejected the proposed cuts, it agreed in 2017 to enforce a mandated cap on U.S. contributions to the UN Department of Peacekeeping Operations (UN-DPO) that had been waived since 2001.
For many agencies, especially those that depend on voluntary funding, cuts in U.S. contributions can be painful. For example, the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, UNRWA, relied on the United States for about one-third of its budget until the Trump administration halted contributions in 2018. The move led the agency to lay off staff and slash its health, education, and food assistance.
After his inauguration in 2021, Biden began refunding some of the agencies that saw cuts under Trump. Biden halted the planned U.S. exit from the WHO, with contributions to the agency continuing uninterrupted. The administration also restarted funding for UNFPA, providing nearly $100 million to the agency in 2021. The funding marked a return to the core-funding levels of the Barack Obama administration. While the Biden administration initially resumed funding for UNRWA, it again paused funding in 2024 following Israeli allegations that twelve UNRWA employees participated in the October 7 attacks by Hamas.
In FY 2024, as it did the previous year, Congress fully funded its assessed contribution for most UN entities
What has a second Trump administration done?
In the weeks following his inauguration, Trump issued an executive order calling for a general review of all U.S. funding to the United Nations. As part of the order, the administration announced it will not resume funding for UNRWA. (Congress maintains a formal suspension [PDF] on all U.S. contributions to UNRWA until March 2025.)
Experts say the pause on UNRWA funding will negatively affect on-the-ground operations for the more than two million people living in the heavily damaged Gaza Strip who rely on UN aid, potentially worsening the region’s humanitarian crisis.
Has the United States sought to cut UN funding before?
Past U.S. presidents and lawmakers have sought to decrease payments to the United Nations. In the late 1990s, for example, Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC) led an effort to force reforms at the United Nations by withholding U.S. contributions. The United States nearly lost its vote at the General Assembly as millions of dollars in unpaid assessments accrued. The instability ended in 2001 with a compromise between Congress and the United Nations. The deal, struck by Helms and Biden—then a senator representing Delaware—reduced the U.S. share of the UN administrative budget from 25 percent to 22 percent.
Scalpel or Sledgehammer?
Do I think the US wastes too much on the UN? Yes, we have already proven that with some DOGE analysis.
However, It’s not quite as simple as get out of NATO and UN completely that Musk champions.
For starters, it’s clear that Trump says he does not want to end NATO but rather wants the EU to pay its fair share.
And although I am pretty much an isolationist in these matters, total isolationism is likely a mistake. The risk in creating a UN vacuum is that China steps in to fill the void and gains mineral rights in key places.
A scalpel may be better than a sledge hammer. After all, the total savings dumping all UN spending would only be $13 billion and Congress would have to go along.
But my opinion doesn’t matter. The fact is Musk injected himself in the spotlight with a position more extreme than Trump, that Trump now has to explain.
Getting out of NATO is up to Congress, certainly not Musk , and not even Trump. The same applies to a total cutoff of UN funding.
Look at the bickering over $13 billion out of a total budget of $6.8 trillion for Fiscal Year 2024.
DOGE fails to impress with a lot of bravado that does not add up to much. Meanwhile, Trump has his hands full with tariffs, a plight of his own making.
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Trump already has his hands full and does not need another Musk-related issue that he has to deal with.
Warmongers and war profiteers are outraged that Trump isn’t keeping the grifting going. There are no Ukranian troops left for the meat grinder, so now the UK is dangerously escalating the conflict with its, “boots on the ground; planes in the sky” initiative. Why is Ukrainian leadership and western civilization for continuous forever wars that risk WWIII? There’s never been less sanity and humanity in western civilization than in 2025, and it is largely because of greed and stupidity and poor risk assessment.
It is like the world is upside down.
Democrats and almost all of Europe want war. And America, under a Republican president no less, does NOT want war, but peace!!!.
The liberals on both side of the ocean want war
I would be LOLing right now but unfortunately these morons want WW3
Putin would have achieved his primary objective if the U.S. withdrew from NATO. A U.S.-led NATO is the only credible deterrent to Putin’s evident expansionist vision for Russia.
where exactly do you see Russia expanding to? A Russian military, that has been shown to mostly a paper tiger, can not even get anywhere near taking over Ukraine let alone Europe. The warmongering and hand wringing over Russia invading Europe is nonsense. NATO is a cold war relic that has just been an excuse for Europe to neglect it’s own defense and put it on the back of the US taxpayer. Enough already.
Really? The August 2008 Russo-Georgian War, also known as the Russian invasion of Georgia, was a war waged against Georgia by the Russian Federation and the Russian-backed separatist regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The fighting took place in the strategically important South Caucasus region. It is regarded as the first European war of the 21st century. The same tactic was used with Crimea Separatists in 2014 in Ukraine. This was just a prelude to the 2022 military invasion of Eastern Ukraine. Russia is also using the separatists in Northern Moldova, a region known as Transnistria.
well said. I agree. And I guess we shall see because Europe “says” it is going to increase his spending and Trump probably wants to pull out of NATO
It’s a new world out there, and the US literary propaganda is still fighting the Cold War. All we need is tens of thousands of body bags with dead youth coming home to wake up the people. And, give peace a chance and re-create diplomacy.
It is not a new world. It was briefly a new world in the early 1990s, but when Putin assumed power in Russia in the late 90s, a new Cold War began.
It is like the world is upside down.
Democrats and almost all of Europe want war. And America, under a Republican president no less, does NOT want war, but peace!!!.
The liberals on both side of the ocean want war
I would be LOLing right now but unfortunately these morons want WW3
THE UN is nothing more than an anti- American propaganda machine that allows two bit countries to enjoy New York City on the American taxpayers dime.
‘that Trump now has to explain’
Why???
NATO has served its time. The reason for its existence has been denied and it has migrated into a back up and fig leaf for US aggression. It is no longer needed, scrap it.
That’s a great idea! The Chinese will take over the rest of the world, and we will be reduced to eating hot dogs and drink root beer (no parmesan or Chianti anymore), and the Canadians and Mexicans won’t allow us to get out of our splendid isolation.
Even if that were true, how do NATO and the UN preclude that? Would Estonia battle China?
NATO, by far, is the most powerful military alliance on the planet. China is building up its military, primarily its Navy. Russia’s Navy is a joke. If you were leading China, you would do the same thing to deter the U.S. from ever thinking about using its Navy to form an economic blockade in the Pacific.
The US should match the European contribution. If Europe is worried about its security, fine, we match what the Europeans contribute for their own defense. If they are not concerned about their own security, fine, we scale back our commitment. Overall Europe would be more secure if it normalized relations with Russia and started trading again. Partners that trade with each other do not go to war. Trade sanctions are the first sign that things are headed down the path to war.
Good idea about the matching.
Matching what? American stupidity?
It appears now that Trump is pausing military shipments to Ukraine. If so, morale in the Ukrainian armed forces will crater and the war will be over. Useless NATO can go back to the charade of defending against a sudden Russian thrust through the Fulda Gap. But this war has been useful for showing how useless main battle tanks have become, and how modern military doctrine must adapt to the rise of the robot armies. You tell me whether that lesson justifies the extinction of a half million (or more) lives on the field of battle in three years. The most extravagant waste of human life since the atomic bomb was dropped on Nagasaki.
That would be the Iran-Iraq War, I believe.
The bombing of Nagasaki saved tens of millions of lives. Had the US not showed its resolve with that second nuke then Japan would not have capitulated. The death rate from disease and starvation in Japanese occupied areas was nearly a million/month by late 1945 so the sudden end of the war saved millions.
And that is not counting that had the US invaded then US casualties just from that invasion would have exceeded that for all of 1941-45 for both the Pacific and Europe theatres.
That’s what we’ve been telling ourselves for decades.
Because it’s true. The Japanese were some of the most fanatical people on the planet at the time. Made the Nazis look like choir boys. Playing armchair quarterback 80 years later is silly.
IS NATO seen as the WEST’S Solidarity against the rest of the world? AND, Nato Consists of how many countries?
There are 32 members and ONE carries the load? WTF IS UP WITH THAT?
Imagine that you are ONE of the nicest houses in your neighborhood of 32 homes….and that you had a gang of old Pals who were capable and “tough.” (Neighbor number two)
Imagine that another neighbor had ONE of the other nicest houses in your neighborhood and that HE had a gang of old Pals who were capable and “tough.”
Imagine that the other 30 homes were damned nice, in an upscale neighborhood – – but whenever neighbor number two has loud parties and invites HIS other gang members over that the other 30 houses go DARK, all the drapes are closed and they leave it up to YOU – – you are the only one in the ‘hood that defends the entire area — and over a period of decades you have paid for ALL of the security measures (camera’s, Stun Guns, pepper spray) and that one of those neighbors (neighbor 3, who has the smallest home, a piece of crap that is run down) and he REALLY PISSED OFF NEIGHBOR NUMBER TWO who has begun to spray paint all over that one neighbor, doing loads of damage.
BECAUSE HE PULLED A FAST ONE:
Neighbor number two got SUPER pissed off that Neighbor number three (the pipsqueak) sneaked in a fence line adjustment, encroaching on Number two’s lot. He has also begun to pepper spray number two’s relatives every time they show up to have some fun.
Everyone wants you to foot the entire bill continuously even though you have spent HUNDREDS of thousands defending the entire ‘hood.
Would you want to continue paying out to defend the entire ‘hood?
There is some supernatural LIBERAL WOKE MIND down-voting us here. It is weird to me how these people “think.”
No, it’s just that most everyone recognizes how stupid your posts really are.
I fully support the US ditching NATO & the UN.
The EU is mostly a liberal bastion with complete open borders. What’s the point of protecting the EU, if in another 25 years, it’s going to be overrun by people from other parts of the world?
As for the UN, it’s time for America, with our mountain of $36T in debt growing @ $2T a year, to find & save every single penny we can.
About 90% of Americans have not come to terms with how bad our spending issues are. Our demise is NOT 30 years down the road.
In six years, if nothing is done, we’ll be at $50T in debt & at least $1.7T in annual interest expense. And this is about the time the SSTF will go kaput as will Medicare Part B. In addition, it’s an absolute certainty that we’ll have a major recession with or without dramatic spending cuts. We will soon find ourselves with a debt to GDP ratio of 140%.
And YES, the $7.3T in intragovernmental debt counts, because it’s ALWAYS paid by public debt as it matures.
I say ditch NATO and the WHO
Hey Mish,
“And although I am pretty much an isolationist in these matters, total isolationism is likely a mistake.”
Why are you playing into the word games that Neocons and others of similar ilk play? How is minding your own damn business and not playing Globocop, with over 800 military installations outside your borders, isolationist?
By this measure, pretty much every country in the world is isolationist except France, UK, Russia, and China. (And half of those are imperialists that use the bases to tape the Global South.)
Also by this measure, the foreign policy approach advocated by the Founders and articulated by the likes of John Quincy Adams (not going abroad in search of monsters to destroy) was also isolationist.
I think friendship towards all countries and malice towards none qualifies as not being isolationist.
The US should absolutely get out of that retirement home for Neocons (NATO) and stop Ukraine funding immediately. As long as US taxpayers continue funding the salaries and pensions of Ukraine’s Parliament, they will never change their corrupt ways.
The US has a vested interest in the North Atlantic. But the North Atlantic doesn’t extend east of Gibraltar.
For that matter Russia has an interest in the North Atlantic too. If they are going west from the Baltic, Barents, or west of the Mediterranean Sea they are going through the North Atlantic. Not letting them join when they asked back in the ’00s was a mistake. That was one of W’s screwups.
So many talking heads are complaining about cuts to programs saying that the amounts to be saved are insignificant. But it all adds up. As a wise man once said, “The longest journey starts with the smallest step”
Agree but Trump and the Republicans (and of course the Democrats will agree) wanting to substantially increase the deficit and give more tax breaks to the already wealthy is another huge step back not forward.
Musk is allowed to have an opinion. And mine agrees with his. Without US money there is no NATO and there is no UN. Tell Europe we will stay if they pay.
We need to get out of NATO asap and focus on America first.
This appears reactive and emotional. There are strong bottom line business reasons for staying in NATO.
I am not disagreeing with you about focusing on America first. The Palisades Fire highlights how bad infrastructure became, even for wealthy communities. But there’s no need to collapse our own economy to spite the Europeans.
Our massive debt that we can’t afford guarantees a collapse in our economy whether we are fully united with NATO or not.
I could list all the reasons that the US should remain in NATO but it would probably go far over your head and ability to understand.
Politically I’m right to center and registered as such. If center is at the top of the Big Circle and going to the extreme left is towards communism or to the extreme right to fascism, and both located identically with autocracies at the bottom of the circle, most American voters are in the top right and or in the top left 30-45 degrees from top center, wanting to maintain a constitutional government with free elections and choice in representation. Siding with our 80 years EU, Canadian, Australian, Japanese Allies and their 36 trillion dollar GDP, all countries having most of their voters in the same 30-45 degrees of top center …. vice – siding with the combined 2 trillion dollar GDP of N. Korea and Russia(as was done in the UN recently), both countries which have repetitively threatened to bury us with nuclear annihilation and fought with America (and allies)in direct war and in multiple proxy wars, and who are politically at the South Pole of the Big Circle … is likely distressing to the majority of reasonable Americans and Europeans who politically live in the top 60-90 degrees. A 19 Feb 2025 3/8/8 day :: crash 3-phase y/2-2.5y/ 2-2.5y fractal decay series similar to the Sept 30 1987 3/7/6 day fractal decay series is operative with European STOXX up over 1% today and showing diversion from the SPX, down 1 and 3/4% at the close. As Mish has pointed out tomorrow’s tariffs are not going to be helpful for world equities.
I would be nice but to tell the truth we can’t bankroll them anymore. We just don’t have the money. If you look how degraded their militaries have become in the last 15 years you would be horrified. We didn’t leave them. They left us. In a way it’s like how the Democrat party left the center Democrats to go far Left.
“We just don’t have the money.”
That’s exactly right, Doug. Like I said above, 90% of Americans have not come to terms with how bad our financial situation is.
If we found ourselves in a full-on war with the drug cartels & potential one or more countries like Mexico, would NATO send troops to our aid?
NO THEY WOULDN’T
More stupid posting. NATO is for when COUNTRIES fight other countries, not drug cartels.
So NATO benefits the US not one iota. Check.
The Europeans are very mad at Trump for forcing them to do what they should have done ten years ago but didn’t. They really are acting like welfare queens whose welfare has been cut. You see the same sense of indignation and entitlement. Cool heads among them are saying it’s their own fault and they better start rebuilding their militaries but frankly they don’t see where the money will come from. I am afraid that Europe had made promises to Zelensky that they can’t or won’t keep.
The UN has become a threat to mankind with its globalist anti-human Agenda 2030
NATO would take us right to nuclear holocaust and so has also become a threat to humanity
End them both. Now.
I forgot to add. Now that the FT as well as all the European “leaders” (most of whom have approval ratings under 20% in their own homelands) has declared that the United States is the enemy of The West, it is time also to completely withdraw from Europe, which has committed suicide through their energy and immigration policies in any event. Impose 100% tariffs on all the evil countries, the UK, France, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Baltics and so on.
It is Europe that has become an enemy of The West
So leave them to their own demise. I had already written as such in my Bangpath substack about the UK. Now it is time to completely withdraw from the entire globalist anti-human framework of evil
Not that the UK is worse than anyone else…
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/how-the-british-broke-their-own-economy/ar-AA1A8KF4
Sticks and stones. FT is no different than Trump or Musk in this regard: they like controversy because it sells.
Before leaving NATO, consider who the biggest purchasers of USA made muntitions is & are.
While I am not invested in military companies, I know many retirement funds have these equities, and many states count on the revenue. There are serious financial aspects to NATO withdrawal.
Mishtalk being a financial blog, I thought I would point out these decisions should consider the business aspects of NATO withdrawal.
There are only 2 arms manufacturers of consequence. The USA and Russia.
You think the EU is going to buy it’s arms from Russia? Even if we pull out they will buy our arms just like the rest of the world does.
It’s true. NATO needs an enemy to continue to exist. That’s the problem. So much wealth is made by the military industry because all arms must be NATO specs. It’s really a monopoly.
@Phil….you are so correct. I spent my whole career working for a company that made components for the US defense industry. Biggest waste of money, manpower, and materials that you could ever imagine.
The UN is good for spewing hot air and keeping Michelin-starred Manhattan restaurants in business.
Look, we need out of NATO now. The EU is itching for war. That is why hi-heeled Napoleon is acting the way he is. He’s getting support from the US and especially EU Neocons. They want a war, it’s sooo stupid.
Musk can say some things he shouldn’t but I would remember what Lincoln said about General Grant when he was accused by rivals of being drunk at the battle of Shiloh. He said:
“I can’t spare this man, he fights.”
That’s my view of Musk.
The South won’t agree 😆
The same thing can be said of Trump. He often says things he shouldn’t but hopefully he will keep us out of a war with Russia.
Meanwhile, the UK is preparing to send troops to Ukraine. They will be stationed in Kiev, right next to a Starbucks for non-fat lattes and biscotti.
juvenile comment, try and act your age not your shoe size
He’s correct; the UK has maybe 25k troops available. Their military is tiny and unready for real war. EU leaders’ comments that the troops will be peacekeepers is a proxy to get boots into the fight against Russia. The EU needs war, and they think they can break up Russia. They’re insane.
Credit for being a Prince fan, but Lefteris’ only error is that any UK troops will probably be closer to Lvov.
Line from The Brady Bunch?
And when they engage the Russians and the Russians wipe the floor with them, we should express our sympathies and just move on. The leftists will scream, but they will never allow their trans children to go and fight.
The Ukraine has a HUNDRED battalions and is being mauled by Russia’s TWO HUNDRED. The whole EU is thumping its chest promising THREE battalions. That should scare the lights off the Russians… not!
UK will send its troop to battle field only after peace agreement and US fighter planes backdrop.
Musk is not wrong.
The UN is totally complicit in the invasion of illegals. Serious people have spent time in the Darrien Gap. All of the infrastructure and logistics are tied to the UN. They took US money and built the camps, cleared the path, and provide security in an area where it is too dangerous for most NGOs to operate.
The UN was also behind the entire Covid scam.
We should stop giving them any money. Boot them out of NY. And end our participation.
The League of Nations was conceived by a globalist President. It was US citizens that tanked it. But the globalists didn’t give up, they just softened things around the edges to make it palatable.
Musk is not wrong.
I agree with his call to withdraw from the UN.
If you hate Elon Musk, drive a Tesla and would like to get rid of it in protest, please message me. I will take it off your hands for free!
The sooner America pulls out of both NATO and the UN the better… America is about to finally enter into a socioeconomic and geopolitical shirte storm. And we Americans don’t need to be dragged down even further by the Marxist Euroland NWO who wants to pick a nuclear fight with Russia. And we sure as shite don’t need the totally corrupt and Satanic UN either.
Have Emperor Franz Joseph and King George V weighed in? Who cares about these rats.
The amount of money we spend on UN projects is not the main point. It’s what the money is being used for. It’s the promoting of non-American, non-Christian, anti-semitic ideas, and also many other ideas that are based on fake science – that’s what makes so many of us furious. That’s why we want out of the UN.
Musk “get out of NATO” is a statement according to Trump operations. No traitor there. This is the tactic that provides for maneuvering room. Brilliant, but painful new reality coming soon for many.
Elon can give his opinion. Trump can give his. And Europe can actually pay for things they want for a change.
European defenseless ingrate socialist parasites.
4.159% on the 10 year baby! Youre losing Midnight!!!!!!!
In the ‘70s you’d get higher interest rates AND a good toaster!
Yeah, I am sure Musk and Trump talked about this. I read that we would save $30 to $50 billion if we pulled out of NATO decades ago. It would likely be $100 billion now.
The Democrats have no plan to lower the deficit. Musk has done the math. At our current rate of debt, we will absolutely go into default.
We cannot and should not go into debt/default while Europeans pay much less for defense and are out taking 6 week vacations a year.
To top it off, NATO lately seems to have been starting pointless costly wars rather than deterring them.
Historical countries defaulted after wars. It’s a perfect way to eliminate debt and blame the enemies. The EU needs an excuse.
Yes. Rump Ukraine should default on the monies it owes the Europeons – mostly the UK. It should also renege on its pledge of mineral & port rights to the UK, since Zelensky had not right to do that – his term having expired and him being a dictator and all.
Elon’s comments are by design to make Trump look moderate when Trump cuts NATO and UN funding.
Fun fact: the UN building was built on land donated by JD Rockefeller Jr and NYC.
Both things need to be left. Neither was ever all that worthwhile to be honest. NATO, by extension the Marshall Plan has rendered Western Europe literally useless. The U.N. has been flawed and rather destructive when allowed to be from its creation. Most importantly, we need to tell the U.N. to get off of American Soil.
Why in the world is the US even funding Palestinians when that should be undertaken by the various Arab countries in the area that have common cultural and religious backgrounds as well as billions from oil revenue.
If the US wants to spend funds on helping people in foreign countries it should start with those in its own backyard. And by that I don’t mean giving entities like the Clinton’s millions and millions to be sphinoned off either.
Yes. Cutoff Israel and the Palestinians. I assume that’s what you meant.
It wasn’t.
Why would anyone take Trump at his word? He doesn’t care about undocumented immigrants; he is in the construction/hotel industry and has employed them for years. Trump frothed up the dangerous immigrant argument based not in fact but as he knows his base are generally, fearful of anyone different.
I note that you, like Trump, mention nothing about his other campaign promise- bringing down the cost of living. It is spiraling up under Trump. Please don’t fall for his diversions. I thought you were more savvy.
Putin lives in Trump’s head. Period. Putin has something on him. And, Trump is just petty about Zelensky as unlike Trump, Zelensky is truly tough. You need to spend some time in Palm Beach. Everyone knows what is really going on.
I live in Palm Beach County. What exactly is going on that I’m somehow missing?
TDS sufferer. Illegals are not a danger?? Oh yeah?:
GTFO, FU!
Trump owes Putin a ton of cash.
“Eric Trump in 2014: ‘We have all the funding we need out of Russia’”
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/332270-eric-trump-in-2014-we-dont-rely-on-american-banks-we-have-all-the-funding-we/
Eric is five to ten degrees dumber than his dad:
‘Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.’ I said, ‘Really?’ And he said, ‘Oh, yeah. We’ve got some guys that really, really love golf, and they’re really invested in our programs. We just go there all the time.’”
Are there unicorns and pixies in the fantasy world that you live in?
“Get busy living … or get busy dying.”
If the US leaves, NATO is consigned to the dustbin of history.
Do it. Pull all US troops out of Europe.
Leave the UN also and boot it out of New York.
It would be one thing for the president to announce to the American people that the post-WW2 world order needs a reset, and to engage our deliberative part of government (U.S. Congress), the voice of all the people, in the matter. To approach this as this bunch of rank amateur attention-deficit vandals is doing, on social media posts and in little televised outbursts, to use short term power (executive) to do very long term things, high-handedly and in chaotic lurches, is not just disgusting, and against all intents of the founders, and all history, it is existentially playing dice with our future, in a very compressed time frame. Welcome to the country that screams loudly it cannot be trusted for anything, that it will break any pledge.
It is called free speech, fool.
If we had a real Congress that would be one thing. But almost all of Congress is suborned by the CIA and the evil globalists
Don’t forget their AIPAC minders.
For the last 70 years, we have kept our pledges while our “partners” have not. We have provided most of the funding for NATO while the counterparties to the agreement have provided increasingly less. We have provided most of the funding for the U.N., while many U.N. nation beneficiaries have openly scorned us and worked actively, with funds that we provided, to subvert our sovereignty. If your spouse acted with such reckless disrespect and infidelity, I am sure, based on your post, that all would be forgiven. I and the vast majority of normal people would not and do not forgive. It’s time for a divorce. Congresspeople are too morally compromised by money and other things, I’m sad to say, to act clear-eyed on behalf of their country. Everything is gray in Congress.