Energy Shock and More Threats on Both Sides to Turn Off Russian Gas

European pipelines clip from CNN video. 

Algeria vs Spain

Here’s a Tweet that caught my eye just as the EU wants to look outside Russia for oil and gas supply.

Palm Oil

That’s about food, not energy, but everything is related.

Russia is “Only” Nonsense

Reminders 

  • Reminder: Russian energy exports to Europe is about 20% of Russia’s GDP, but 1.6% of EU GDP
  • Counter Reminder: “The blind macro-economists who only see the dollar-equivalent of Russia’s GDP may well conclude that Russia is a small country.”

The counter reminder is from Eurointelligence founder Wolfgang Münchau in After Pestilence and War Comes Famine.

Russia, Ukraine and Belarus together are absolutely critical for the global food supply chains. The price of nitrogen-based fertilisers has gone up from $200-300 per tonne to $1700.

Hyper-globalisation has made us so interdependent that we have become limited in our ability to slap sanctions on any country that forms a critical part of global supply chains.

The blind macro-economists who only see the dollar-equivalent of Russia’s GDP may well conclude that Russia is a small country. But what they do not see is that the world food supply is dependent on it.

Janet Yellen Issues “Call to Action” Over Food Shortages and Soaring Fertilizer Prices

I discussed the above Eurointelligence quotes in Janet Yellen Issues “Call to Action” Over Food Shortages and Soaring Fertilizer Prices

Dear Janet Yellen

  1. Have you thought through your call to action on food?
  2. Have you thought through sanctions?
  3. Do you have any idea what prolonging the war for another year means?
  4. What will free fertilizer and free food to Africa mean to fertilizer prices here?
  5. What about energy policy, natural gas used in fertilizers, and minerals (from Russia and China) needed to decarbonize?
  6. What about de-globalization and USA first (every country for itself first)?
  7. Is more “free money” really the solution to anything?
  8. Soft Landing? Really?

The above take was just about food. 

It’s absurd to think the European economy would not crash if Russia cut off gas supplies or Europe cut off gas supplies.

Russia shuts off gas supplies to Poland and Bulgaria

CNN reports Russia shuts off gas supplies to Poland and Bulgaria

Russian state energy giant Gazprom said in a statement Wednesday that it had fully halted supplies to Polish gas company PGNiG and Bulgaria’s Bulgargaz after they refused to meet a demand by Moscow to pay in rubles, rather than euros or dollars.

The European Commission described the decision to halt supplies as attempted “blackmail” and said it was coordinating a response among EU member states.

“Europeans can trust that we stand united and in full solidarity with the member states impacted in the face of this new challenge. Europeans can count on our full support,” European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said in a statement.

Rubles for Gas

The amusing thing about all of this is the EU is using Euros, not rubles to pay for gas. 

What’s happening above is Poland and Bulgaria refuse to use the procedure Russia created that makes it “look” as if payments are in rubles. 

“The announcement by Gazprom that it is unilaterally stopping delivery of gas to customers in Europe is yet another attempt by Russia to use gas as an instrument of blackmail,” von der Leyen said. “This is unjustified and unacceptable.”

The Facts 

  • Russia is not unilaterally stopping delivery. 
  • Payments are indeed in Euros 
  • Poland and Bulgaria did not like the procedure which makes it appear as if payments are in rubles. 

Q&A on Blackmail

Q: Is the energy threat blackmail? 
A: Of course it is. But in essence, what are sanctions?

Poland and Bulgaria apparently have ample supply, at least for now. The rest of the EU? No chance, which of course is why the EU did not halt Russia deliveries.

Italy to Pay in Rubles?

Italian energy giant Eni SpA is preparing to open ruble accounts at Gazprombank JSC, allowing it to potentially comply with Russian demands that gas must be paid for in local currency, according to people familiar with the matter.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen warned companies on Wednesday not to bend to Russia’s demands to pay for gas in rubles, saying that doing so would breach sanctions. Europe’s ability to maintain a united front against Moscow is set to be tested in the coming weeks as countries have to decide whether to accept Vladimir Putin’s demands or risk having to ration gas at home.

That unity may already be fraying. According to a person close to Russian gas giant Gazprom PJSC, four European gas buyers have paid in rubles and 10 have opened the accounts at Gazprombank needed to meet the new payment demands.

Italy gets about 40% of its gas from Russia, though Prime Minister Mario Draghi has been scouring the globe for replacements and has secured new agreements with suppliers particularly in North Africa.

Via Clever Tactics, Putin Gets His Way on Rubles for Energy Demand

The absurdity of all this yap is that no one pays in rubles. It just looks like it. 

I commented on the ruble mirage on March 31 in Via Clever Tactics, Putin Gets His Way on Rubles for Energy Demand

What’s Really Happening?

  • German Chancellor Olaf Scholz agreed to Vladimir Putin’s clever way around the problem of rubles payments.
  • The EU will pay in euros and via a separate account at Gasprom, the euros are immediately converted to rubles. 
  • The Russia Central Bank gets euros. Exactly as before. The entire thing is essentially a mirage. It really makes no fundamental difference if the euro for ruble switch happens by Germany, somewhere in the middle, or at the back end by the Russia central bank.
  • Whether by the EU, some middleman, or later on the back end by Russia, the Russia central bank gets euros. Gazprombank gets rubles from the Russian central bank in exchange for euros.
  • Aside from sanctions, currencies are fungible. This is always the case and a point most simply fail to understand in all this oil priced in something other than dollars nonsense. Hopefully now people can see it.
  • One slight difference is the Russia central bank gets 100% of the euros instead of 80% of them. This benefits Putin but he could always demanded that. It now happens immediately instead of perhaps later.
  • However, Putin extracted a mechanism and thus an implied promise from Scholz to not sanction Gazprombank. And he gets bragging rights that Scholz agreed to a maneuver that gets rubles to Gazprombank.

The EU pays in euros for gas and oil. There is then an immediate switch at Gazprombank (which is not sanctioned) in which the Russian central banks takes the euros and pays the Russian suppliers rubles.

Avoiding Sanctions

This workaround highlights the silliness of the debate that one needs dollars to buy oil or gas despite dollars being the pricing unit.

In this case, Russia demands rubles and get them via immediate conversion from euros or in some cases US dollars, depending on the contract.

Given that currencies are fungible (sanctions aside), it does not matter what the pricing or payment unit is.

Please read that last paragraph over and over until you understand it. The amount of nonsense over “petrodollars” is staggering. 

Especially note that no one needs dollars to guy oil or gas and despite appearances, the EU is still paying in euros, not rubles. 

This entire process is about avoiding sanctions and getting paid. The major concession Putin extracted is to avoid sanctions on Gazprombank which can then use euros to trade with India and China. 

That Italy is willing to comply with the process is proof enough of the implied  nonsense “Russian energy exports to Europe is about 20% of Russia’s GDP, but 1.6% of EU GDP”. 

Sanctions Don’t Work

Here’s a twelve-word synopsis of the above post Misguided Souls Still Do Not Understand This Simple Truth: Sanctions Don’t Work

The last three of those twelve words emphasize the key point.

Meanwhile, Biden Doing Everything Possible to Drive Up the Price of Oil, Some of It’s Illegal

Finally, US Sanction Policy Drives China Into Russia’s Loving Arms.

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Cocoa
Cocoa
3 years ago
This was the intention all along was to steal Russian Gas contracts and give them to middle east. It will take time and Syrian government needs to go away(Russian ally)
In the meantime, since global interdependence is getting ruined, the regular guy will be hammered with inflation or crashing economy so the Neoliberal/cons can win this dumb political scrape
Jackula
Jackula
3 years ago
This is just plain crazy. A lot of the world’s current leaders of key countries are insane sociopaths. Still trying to Balkanize the ex USSR is fighting yesterday’s battles. I fear for the world’s poor
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Jackula
Don’t fear for the poor. They will continue to pop out babies that they can’t afford to properly feed or care for, so will continue to be relegated to begging others for donations to support their poor, uneducated choices.
jiminy
jiminy
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
We were on a cruise and the assistant waiter, from Indonesia, told us he was going home “to make baby”. I told my wife, “here comes the next round of assistant waiters.” You are correct.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Please send money to save the poor starving.
If you don’t send money today there may not be enough poor starving to save next year.
Dutoit
Dutoit
3 years ago
I will not be surprised if Russia decides to stop all exports (especially gas and fertilizers) on May 9th (a very important date for Russia). All exports to countries that provide weapons to Ukraine. If this is done, we can expect a very hard crisis in UE (especially Germany), and the € would fall, which would imply a big increase on the price of oil imported in EU (paid in $). This price could after some time go down, if the crisis extends to the rest of the world (“hard landing” in US) and consumption of oil drops. It is now difficult for people that use oil for heating and have to fill the fuel tank after last winter, or for companies that use to stock fuel: buy now of in a few months ?
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Ha. You could expect a “a very hard crisis” in Russia were they to do that as much of their revenue comes from the sale of petroleum. I hope Putin does this.
Dutoit
Dutoit
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
I think that this giant country could live in autarky. The sanctions of 2014 lead to self-sufficiency in agriculture. The new sanctions will do the rest.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
No they can’t. Too many have gotten used to Western products and luxuries.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
… most of which are made in China.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Maybe not… 35 million of them don’t even have toilets. Seems like Russians have an affinity for misery.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
WTF you doin here ….Mish will get rid of you again if you don t behave !
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Are you aware that Russia’s agricultural self-sufficiency is largely due to Putin inviting in Cargill , Bayer, Monsanto, and Archer Daniels Midland with Russia furnishing the land while the companies furnished the industrial farming expertise, equipment and seed stocks. Over 50% of Russia’s seed stock is furnished by Monsanto. Russia could live in autarky but then it would be a museum of outdated technology and very much lower living standards but the Russian people can take it and won’t mind living in a world where they fall more and more behind as the rest of the world moves on. That is Russia’s future.
Dutoit
Dutoit
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Of course by “autarky” I meant only completely separated from the west, and not from the rest of the world.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Under Chinese patronage then because that is what it will be.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
And China WILL squeeze their balls when given the opportunity.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
So far they are making a killing, selling less stuff at higher prices.
When will the pinch hit?
Likely never, since commodities (barring logistics) are fungible and there is a scarcity.
Logistics will push prices up across the world, and fuel (ha ha) famines and conflict.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
If euro bonds start paying positive interest, I think you’ll see a spike in the euro. Money is flowing from the east to buy western bonds. Mainly US bonds because we pay more interest, but some will be invested in europe if they can get a positive yield. The psychological difference between -0.25 and 0.25 is a lot more than the difference between 2.0 and 2.5.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
The description of fungible currencies is not complete.
The Euro’s are not actually exchanged, bags full.
They are simply balances at a bank.
The Russian CB can never have a € balance that it owns … it is always a liability owed by another entity.
Such balances can be cancelled at a whim (sanctions).
But ruble balances are owned by the Russian CB, which is the only entity that extends ruble balances.
Paying with € or $ and then cancelling the balances held is the same as not paying at all.
Europeans want the gas for free, but Putin has said gas deliveries are not a charity.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Putin cutting off gas supplies is an act of desperation. He needs revenue but cutoffs don’t help him unless he can sell to someone else. The info I have seen is that his storage is near overflowing as deliveries have slowed as countries find other sources “just in case”. Putin is cutting off his nose to spite his face. Dumber and dumber.
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Poland and Bulgaria start life with no Russian gas
Both Warsaw and Sofia say they have alternatives to Russian supplies.
By Zosia Wanat
April 27, 2022 6:42 pm
There’s no Russian gas coming through pipelines in Poland and Bulgaria, but both countries say they’ll do just fine without an energy link to Moscow.
“Poland is an energy-secure country, which does not have to and will not yield to gas blackmail by Russia,” Polish Climate and Environment Minister Anna Moskwa said on Wednesday.
Bulgarian Energy Minister Alexander Nikolov also said that the loss of Russian gas won’t cause much disturbance. “It is clear that at the moment natural gas is being used more as a political and economic weapon in the current war.”
Poland uses about 20 billion cubic meters (bcm) of gas a year, 9.9 bcm of which come through the Yamal pipeline from Russia. But unlike Germany, which generates about 15 percent of its electricity from gas, Poland gets most of its power from coal, while gas is used by industry and for domestic purposes.
Poland’s 1996 contract with Gazprom expires at the end of this year, and the country has long said it has no intention of renewing it. Instead, Warsaw has been working for years to diversify its supplies.
….
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Putin’s oil empire crumbling as Russia faces biggest hammer blow since Soviet collapse
RUSSIA’S oil production may plummet by up to 17 percent in 2022 following the invasion of Ukraine in what would be the biggest drop since the 1990s, new documents have revealed.
Wed, Apr 27, 2022
This comes as Moscow feels the bite of Western sanctions aimed at crippling Russia’s ability to wage war in the neighbouring country. The US has instituted a ban on all Russian oil imports, and the UK has committed to ending its dependence on Russia by the end of the year.
The EU is also mulling over an outright ban on Russian oil sources.
A document seen by Reuters shows Russian oil output could fall to between 433.8 million and 475.3 million tonnes this year, down from 523 million tonnes in 2021.
This is the lowest output for nearly twenty years and the most significant decline in production since the immediate post-Soviet era.
….
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
It is obvious your only info sources are corrupt western propaganda outlets…..Putin should ve invaded Ukraine in 2015, unlike our reptilian brain ‘leaders’ though, Putin thinks before acting….Believe me Russia is by now very WELL prepared for any hardship the US/Russia war might entail……Are we, utterly spoilt westerners, living on intrinsically worthless out of the bleu created ‘money’, ready for hardship ? Take away for example our PC or smartphone and we are simply reduced to fn NOTHING !
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
We can see how good a job Putin is doing in his own words.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
the onion ?! gfys !
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
…Polish up your russian….I d say ….LONG LIVE PUTIN ! SLAVA ROSSYA!
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
“A document seen by Reuters shows Russian oil output could fall to between 433.8 million and 475.3 million tonnes this year, down from 523 million tonnes in 2021. …”

But oil *prices* have increased more than 50 percent from last year. Do you know basic arithmetic?

KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Putin doesn’t need any revenue. His weapons are made in Russia and paid for with rubles. Russia had a huge military for decades without any trade with the west.
mrm
mrm
3 years ago
Hi Mish, I have some surprising news for you : sanctions do work but not in the way many people expect. I learned it on my own skin while living and working in the former USSR. Sanctions are economic warfare, and they are similar in many regards to real military warfare.
1. They hurt both sides.
2. No military action brings immediate victory (especially against Russia)
3. You need to set your goals and their priorities
Unfortunately, US gov’t bureucrats are not the best people to lead this campaign but Putin and Co are even worse. So, let’s hope for the best.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  mrm
Well written. Economic warfare is one of the oldest forms of warfare. The problem is the west sees an opportunity in Russia as Putin has limited time left in his life. But I’m afraid he fires a nuclear weapon as his last act to truly make his point.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Putin can issue a command to let loose the nukes but that doesn’t mean that the underlings will obey the order. His launch button isn’t a direct interface.
mrm
mrm
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Precisely.
mrm
mrm
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
NATO should not get *directly* involved in Ukraine. No-fly zone enforcement is out of question. Theoretically Putin may use nuclear strike as his last resort.
OTOH there are persistent reports about conflicts in his close surroundings between different fractions (FSB vs military vs various Russian nationalists). There is no guarantee that his chain of command actually works (his army definitely does not)
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
He has thousands of warheads and if a few dozen hit their target, it’s game over. Hydrogen bombs are 1000x more powerful than what was dropped on Japan. People are completely clueless if they think we can survive a nuclear war with Russia.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
How do you know what his launch button does? Are you privy to state secrets in Russia?
Many people can directly launch nukes on their own. Sub commanders for instance. Even the US Nuclear Football more or less allows the president to launch from anywhere on his own in case of attack that wipes out other communications.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I doubt any of that is true. Give us some credbible cites.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
US subs can not launch on their own since the CLINTON admin.
There are many US liberal sources claiming that the Pentagon refuses to turn over launch codes to the Biden White House!!!
Eighthman
Eighthman
3 years ago
I thought the point of the gazprom/ruble conversion was for Russia to have direct control of dollars and euros – such that no one could freeze or prevent their use. If that fails, what next? Pallets of cash with non sequential serial numbers? Gold bars? There was speculation that Russia’s change on foreign cash availability recently might involve pallets of cash showing up. Heck, the US has done the pallet thing for Iran, Iraq and Ukraine.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Eighthman
The best thing about pallets of cash is that you can push them out of helicopters hovering over blue cities.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
this situation begs an obvious question. Why isn’t Russia/Putin demanding payment in Gold? Where’s all the “got gold” commentary? Isn’t this the perfect case study for gold to shine (pun intended)? Shouldn’t gold be skyrocketing right now? If not now then when?
It would seem Putin could end the entire world order by just asking gold as payment for oil and gas from China, Europe, and anyone else that wants it. What gives? What’s going on?
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
And since we’re on the topic of EU, can we get an update on Brexit. I don’t think I’ve seen anything about the UK here in a while. I ran across this gem today which raised my interest…Brexit Added 6% Food inflation.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
BOJO, UK’s champion idiot, is (still) thriving on ‘the war against Russia’ distraction, corrupt fake news outlets BBC, The Guardian etc, helping him big time, after all ‘The Empire’ is at stake again, they must think….
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Well done. Your post is just over the three hundred letter minimum length stipulated in your contract. I believe you have to do 80 more like them a day to get your pay and no cut and pasting. That would be cheating.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Va te faire foutre toi espèce de con !
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
иди и порезвись с собою FromBrussels.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Because unlike dollars/rubles etc which can be transferred electronically, gold has to be physically delivered. That’s problematic when crossing war zones.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Putin can demand to be paid in gold but if the buyers of his oil and gas say no then what can he do? Russia is only 10% of the world’s oil and gas exports so is far from controlling the market and that share is dropping every day.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
10% ?! You now making up numbers all by yourself ?
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Hard to find up-to-date numbers for share of world oil exports but for the year 2020:
Saudi – 15%
Russia – 11.6%
US – 8.17%
Canada – 7.37%
Etc
Perhaps you have the numbers for 2021? Or for 2022 so far? It would be interesting to see.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
You are sadly misinformed about Russia’s market share which by the way is dropping rapidly as your oil auctions go unbought even at incredibly large discounts.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
With regard to Morocco-Algeria-Spain triangle, ironies abound.
During the cold war, Algeria was an ally of the Soviet Union while supplying energy to Europe. Only the fall of the SU severed those ties.
Morocco has always been an ally of the West.
During the US invasion and occupation of Iraq, Algeria gave a warm welcome to French president Chirac who was perhaps the most prominent critic of that war.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
I wonder why the frozen wastelands of Russia are the source of so much oil and gas. Ditto, the deserts of the Middle East. I imagine there was a time when the planet was far more productive–with a much higher concentration of CO2. Indeed, a case could even be made that we are living on a dying planet, starved of CO2.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
It all comes down to the right conditions over a period of almost a billion years.
The article below explains the middle east oil, but it would be similar in Russia.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
The article is commendable for its geological analysis, yet it largely avoids the critical issue” “…exceptional amounts of organic matter.”
That organic material is THE SOURCE of oil, gas, and coal. It came about because of exceedingly HIGH levels of atmospheric CO2, taken in by plants and consumed, which in turn were food sources etc etc…. producing complex carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen molecules–aka organic matter. Over time, CO2 departed the atmosphere, and became embedded in rock strata (did you note the mention of SHALES?) With less CO2 in the atmosphere, areas became frozen or desert– aka infertile.
Maybe we live on a dying planet, not because of global warming caused by mankind, because of the lack of CO2 in the atmosphere.
If you were assigned to regenerate the Earth a million years from now, what would your first act be? BTW, the primary life form was previously CO2 consuming, and current CO2 levels were low.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
You must have missed it then. Three separate layers of organic rich rock (>5%) making up a 1200m thick deposit. The source of organics was mostly algae, and other water borne organics that deposited into the shallow ocean floor over multiple periods encompassing more than 500 million years. The geology allowed the organics to be trapped under the right conditions to produce the oil and gas that exists there today.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
FYI, I did not ‘miss’ anything: “…exceptional amounts of organic matter.”
WHAT, exactly, do you THINK ‘organic matter’ means? Primarily algae, but as a basic plant life-form with photosynthesis, algae CONSUMES what? Nitrogen? Oxygen? Some noxious gas like CO2?
That algae, in vast quantities, consumed the CO2 in the atmosphere (and in water), lowering the overall CO2 when it became encased in rock. DYING PLANET!1!
More proof that education sucks in the USA.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Sorry. But you said it wasn’t mentioned in the article. I was just trying to help you out by telling you that it did mention the source of the organic matter. Algae, plankton, and other water borne organic matter. You’re welcome.
And to help you out further. 550 million years ago, when the process began, there were no land based plants yet (other than possibly some pond scum). CO2 levels were indeed very high, as you say. Over 4000 ppm. Oceans were 200-400 m higher and ocean temperatures were 30c warmer than today. The conditions were ripe for the deposit of large amounts of organics on the ocean floor. Over time, as CO2 slowly was consumed, the planet began the long process of cooling, ice began to form again and oceans began to drop. Most of the oil wells that are drilled on land today are in areas that used to be under water. And of course, we are still drilling deep into the ocean floor to find more oil.
And finally, our planet is not dying from low CO2. The planet will survive regardless of whether CO2 levels are high or low. However, the life forms that exist on the planet have developed and become accustomed to the current conditions. Rapidly changing the conditions that support this life is the threat to those life forms.
I hope that helps.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Just trying to help you out.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
As an aside the tweet about Algeria and Spain stems from the antagonist relationship between Algeria and Morocco and has nothing to do with Russia. Algeria wants Spain to support more their side. Anyway oil and gas make up 95% of Algeria’s exports and accounts for almost 100% of the government’s reveue. They cannot afford not to sell and are quite eager to sell more to Europe.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
That might be so, but the pipeline delivering natural gas to Spain runs via Morocco, n’est ce pas?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Oui but there is another one that goes directly to Spain from Algeria. Algeria stopped the gas piped to Spain by way of Morocco last year when they almost went to war. Spain wanted to send gas to Morocco by back filling from the direct pipe from Algeria to the closed pipe to Morocco. Algeria threatened to cut off gas to Spain if they did that as a breach of contract. This article out yesterday explains the situation:
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
As I posted yesterday in the Stansberry Byron King interview, he expects natural gas prices to triple in the US by this time next year. The sanctions are incredibly insane and the full effects are yet to be seen by the US consumer. And again Ive been sanctioned from links.
Post about rising natural gas costs on Yahoo:
U.S. Natural Gas Is on a Path to `Crazy Prices’ With No Relief in Sight (yahoo.com)
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Sounds like a good place to invest; oil and gas stocks, particularly in the US and Canada. Perhaps steel manufacturers and chemicals as well.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Sure and Peter Schiff is still calling for gold at $5000 oz. as he has for the last 10-20 years. I bet the natural gas prediction will be wrong and the price will be lower than today.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
If sanctions don’t work then why is Putin demanding that they be lifted? If they do not work then he shouldn’t care and the companies inside Russia who can no longer get spare parts, updates and new equipment shouldn’t care either. I suppose as you said Putin gets bragging points but that and six dollars will get him a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Meanwhile Germany took another step today by furnishing Ukraine with armoured anti-aircraft vehicles. Putin got the right to brag about I am not sure what and Ukraine got more weapons. Of course everybody here knows that when the cut off comes there will be a recession especially in German heavy industry but homes will be heated and life will go on. There will be cuts in steel, chemical, some ceramics production and a few others but those industries were the ones pushing for Russian gas because Russia is a “reliable business partner” so many here see them as being highly responsible for Germany’s over-reliance on Russian gas consequently their plight doesn’t generate much sympathy. Blackmail is when you threaten to do something like put on sanctions. Once the sanctions are put on it is no longer blackmail. It becomes fact.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“Blackmail is when you threaten to do something like put on sanctions.” Seriously? I thought blackmail was when the president’s son cuts deals with foreign countries, using family connections, and passes 10% to the VP, now-pretend-president, who had previously blackmailed the Ukraine to stop Trump’s involvement in uncovering the Biden family’s crimes, and now effectively emasculates the White House, because other governments have proof of wrong-doing, and all it takes to expose the evils of the Democrat party is a few emails…. and photos of said son doing all sorts of nasty things… THAT IS BLACKMAIL!
FYI, threatening to put on sanctions is quid pro quo.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Blackmail only works when it gives you leverage over someone because that person doesn’t want his wrongdoings to become public. With Hunter everyone knows now that he is a depraved, despicable person that is under investigation so there is nothing hidden anymore. Hence blackmail doesn’t work. As an example if I had proof that you were passing information to the CIA and I threaten to tell the FSB unless you do what I say then that would be blackmail.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“…everyone knows now that he is a depraved, despicable person…”
The exception: what we know NOW is but the tip of an iceberg. Far worse things await discovery, yet the Democrats insist on keeping Biden as president. Example: did Pelosi know about Hunter when she impeached Trump for investigating in Ukraine? Did Obama know and do nothing?
THIS IS BLACKMAIL!
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“If sanctions don’t work then why is Putin demanding that they be lifted?”
Sanctions drive up the price everywhere.
On a percentage basis Russia gets hit harder but everyone globally takes a hit.
If Russia cutoff gas, the European economy would collapse.
This is why the EU has so many loopholes.
I thought this was obvious.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Bad recession yes, collapse no. I would say the recession would have come anyway. This just complicates it since energy rationing will probably be necessary. At least that is what the EU plan calls for so it isn’t unexpected. The German Economic Minister said Tuesday that a full embargo of Russian oil is now manageable for Germany. For gas it’s harder but EU countries are letting contracts run out and not making new ones so import volumes are going down. The German Economic minister also said Germany will now expropriate Russian-owned refineries. That is an indication of how serious things are. This is not business as usual. Loopholes are being closed one by one so don’t expect all of a sudden the EU is going to drop the sanctions and start doing business with Russia again. EU and US companies just pickup and left Russia taking massive write-offs because they do not and will not support the regime in any way. That should tell you that this will not return to business as usual for a long time.
Sanctions can drive up prices but what do you expect when you have a major war going on your doorstep. On a percentage basis Russia is hit more but that comparison is irrelevant but the objective of the sanctions is to hurt Russia’s war-making capabilities is very relevant and they were put on to do just that. Russia just classified all economic data as “State Secrets” probably because they want to show that the sanctions are not having an effect. I think in your mind we are still at peace but we are not.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Russian official admits sanctions are crippling the economy as the country grapples with a selloff and mass shortages
April 22, 2022 11:36 AM PDT
The ruble may not be showing it, but Western economic sanctions imposed against Russia are working.
In revealing testimony before the Duma parliament, the head of the Central Bank of Russia (CBR) told the country’s lawmakers she had to throw everything but the kitchen sink just to prevent a full-blown run on the banking system.
“The sanctions imposed against Russia affected the situation in the financial sector, spurred the demand for foreign currencies, and caused fire sales of financial assets, a cash outflow from banks, and surging demand for goods,” said Elvira Nabiullina in prepared remarks first published in English on Friday.
The frank assessment of Russia’s economic problems contrasts sharply with political attacks launched against the current U.S. administration for a sanctions policy that failed to force Vladimir Putin to the negotiating table.
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Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The sanctions are hitting Russian business hard. An example is Russia’s telecommunications infrastructure is built around Nokia and Ericsson equipment. Both companies have pulled out completely and as the equipment is no longer serviced and parts not shipped then gradually the telecoms become worse and worse. They looked at using Huawei but much of it is not compatible, lesser quality and in not enough quantity to prevent deterioration of the network.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Their military has the same issues. Reports are they are quickly depleting their stock of precision missiles and will not be able to manufacture more because many of the control parts come from outside Russia.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
They use a lot of German machine tools and now Germany won’t service them anymore. When the high-precision lath breaks there is no way to fix it. This creates bottlenecks throughout Russian industry and as we know bottlenecks create inflation.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Incredible how even the USSR managed to send the first man into orbit without ‘parts’ from the west….How many got killed with america’s great Shuttle program? NONE with the reliable Soyuz , must ve been these great western ‘parts’ again….Being deluded must be a bliss ….
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
That was the USSR long ago and not Russia today. Soyuz is good reliable tech and was ahead of its time decades ago but it hasn’t been upgraded for ages. Russia is still leaching off of old USSR tech. In the meantime we have SpaceX rockets that go up and then lands on its own ready to be refuelled and reused. SpaceX now has 90% of the commercial launch market because it is much cheaper and more reliable. Russia is no longer in the running.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
nice ….so tell me why the fn US of A has to wage war all over the planet …..PLEASE !
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
LOL, those German tanks are decommissioned obsolete junk, that will merely become coffins for Ukrainian soldiers, it would take months to learn to operate them in the first place, spare parts are no longer available….the odds are they will be destroyed by Russia at arrival anyway …..This is all better than football, ain’ t it yank ?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Say what you will about Germans but one thing you can’t say is that make junk equipment. Granted, a Russian might have to take months to learn how to operate it but the Germans expect that the Ukrainians can do it in two weeks.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
The sanctions must be working if Russia is preemptively cutting off supplies. In other news, Putin’s health issues appear to be getting worse as he can’t even move without showing symptoms of Parkinson’s.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
If I was in the same position as Putin, with a goal of enforcing previously agreed limits on NATO, and having had my funds confiscated (stolen) , I too, would be jerking some chains. Also, it is increasingly clear that the USA does not want peace. I can’t imagine why, with the government and economy falling apart before one’s eyes.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
No one wants “peace” on Putin’s terms.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Well Putin stole Ukraine land and destroyed property and lives so why did he expect that his money wouldn’t have been confiscated in return?
Jmurr
Jmurr
3 years ago
None of the world’s boomer leaders look
healthy. It’s time to exit the world stage and let the gen X, Z and the millennials fix some of the problems caused by Biden, Trump, Pelosi, Putin etc.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
Gen X, Y, and millennials are generally so poorly educated they are largely incapable of critical thinking necessary to solve problems.
Jmurr
Jmurr
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Could they screw it up more than it is now. I doubt it.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Gen X and Y would be better than the last bunch of failed politicians. Cannot be worse.
Bush (invades Iraq for no reason and wastes trillions), Obama did not do much, Trump (oh my, where does one start with him) and now Biden?
Not a good Boomer track record.
Call_Me
Call_Me
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The aged political officials that have been “shining brightly” for the past 40+ years have not be bastions of critical thinking or adept at solving problems.
Call_Me_Al
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
I agree. It’s like the Special Olympics. We need Special Government.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
That is why we Americans have elected the spring chicken Joe Biden as our President! LOL

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