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Oil Irony: US and UK to Ban Russian Oil, Russia Threatens the Same

Both Sides Now

Both the US and Russia are threatening to halt deliveries of Russian oil. Russia ups the ante with natural gas.

The price of US crude jumped jumped to $130, gold rose $80 by 4% to a new record, and stocks are in the gutter again as Biden announces a ban on Russian oil

US Ban

President Biden will announce later today a Ban on Imports of Russian Oil.

The U.S. ban will include Russian oil, liquefied natural gas and coal.

In addition, both Shell and British Petroleum announced they will withdraw from Russian oil and gas. They will immediately halt all spot purchases and end all dealings with Russia according to the Wall Street Journal.

UK Too

Russia Threatens to Halt Energy Exports 

Yesterday, Bloomberg reported Russia Threatens to Cut Natural Gas Flows to Europe Via Nord Stream 1

Russia has the right to take actions that “mirror” the penalties imposed on the Russian economy, Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak — who’s also in charge of energy affairs — said in a televised speech late Monday. He said no decision to shut off Nord Stream 1 has yet been taken, and the pipeline is currently operating “at its full capacity.”

The comments come after a day of wild swings on European gas markets, with prices at one point surging by almost 80% amid fear of disruption to supplies from Russia. 

Germany has pushed back against proposals for a ban on oil imports. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said Monday that Russian oil and gas are of “essential importance” to the European economy. Roughly 40% of EU gas imports and one quarter of its oil come from Russia. 

Russia warned that any such move could have “catastrophic consequences for the world market” with prices surging to $300 a barrel or more. 

Brave Front by the EU

The EU claims it can “reduce our demand for Russian gas by 2/3 before the end of the year.

Really? And you didn’t do this before? 

Not That Simple

Spare Capacity

What About Japan?

Green is Dead?

And the US still has sanctions on Iran and Venezuela!

Team Biden Headed to Venezuela

How stupid is this?

U.S. Officials Meet With Regime in Venezuela, to Discuss Oil Exports to Replace Russia’s

European Gas Prices

What happens if Putin shuts off the gas?

Massive Shortfall 

Lyn Alden on Gold

Gold hit a new record high today.

Nasdaq Enters a Bear Market, Down Over 20%, Where To From Here?

Yesterday, I noted Nasdaq Enters a Bear Market, Down Over 20%, Where To From Here?

I expect a decline of 65% or so from the top, so this is just a down payment.

I repeat my February 23 comments Most People Have No Idea How Much Stocks are Likely to Crash

Recession Baked in the Cake

R E C E S S I O N

Macro Maven Steph Pomboy on Recession

A Recession Looms, Blame the Fed and Biden, Not Russia

A recession fueled by collapsing demand, a liquidity crunch, and fading stimulus effects is coming up. Inflation sure doesn’t help.

Steph Pomboy made those comments yesterday.

I said the same thing on March 3: A Recession Looms, Blame the Fed and Biden, Not Russia

Macro Dream Team Videocast Parts One and Two

Pomboy is part of a Dream Team of macro analysts. Please play the video. You can find it here: Macro Dream Team Videocast Parts One and Two

I concluded “Very few people see a recession coming. But the dream team does. Do yourself a favor and watch both parts. Hopefully they are more persuasive than I am.”

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Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
Didnt putin meet with the saudis and china tight before this.  My talk saudis wont increase production fast russia oil will go to china instead.  Round round we go.        
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
Every source of energy has its strengths and weakness.
Everyone was bashing about renewables saying the sun doesnt always shine nor does the wind always blow.  seems oil has more draw backs than just emissions.
At 5 dollars a gallon it solar doesnt seem so expensive now.  
The powers that are screaming for energy independence are the same ones making tons of money now.     
Wonder what we would be complaining about now if 50 percent of us households had solar on the roof and a hybrid in the drive.  
 
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
“Wonder what we would be complaining about now if 50 percent of us households had solar on the roof and a hybrid in the drive. “
Pretty much the same thing.
The complaints would be slightly less serious, though.
The way The West is currently organized; as a pretty much pure kleptocracy, with access to dwellings serving as a major, perhaps THE biggest, conduit for the all-pervasive theft; there would be virtually no downside whatsoever, to simply demand any house sold; old and new; were equipped with solar roofs, before title cold be transferred. Prices for them wouldn’t meaningfully increase regardless. A larger share of the price, would simply go to people competent enough to design, build and install solar. Instead of to the current idiot-gaggle of idle leeches too incompetent to do anything other than sitting on the couch living off of stolen funds.
Of course, better still would be a free country. With a market for housing, instead of simply a theft racket. Then people could chose whether to spend their money on more solar, more insulation, or more square feet. While pretending to be something approaching free people, for a change.
But oh, well.. Totalitarian kleptocracies, by and for rank idiots and rank idiots only, never did make much sense to us non idiots.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
McDonalds has just declaired a “No Fries Zone” over Russia.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Yet, they continue to pay their Russian employees.  That is stupid.  The Russian people need to suffer in order to ramp up the pressure on Putin and his government.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
What choice do they have? It’s not like they can physically move the franchise someplace outside Russia or close it down.
Employees would just show up and work and collect money from the customers and not give it to McDonalds. Employees get paid, customers get food. McDonalds gets nothing.
Eventually anything sourced from foreign locations (beef, fries etc) will run out unless local sources can be found and at that point McDonalds will be closed down.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I’m willing to bet that many wholesale food sources in Russia are strained and unable to provide significant supplies to stores such as McDonalds. 
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Real Russians drink their potatoes….
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
I think that triple injected fools have got their brains infected…..
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
What exactly did your senile idiot say ?   I didn t even bother to check….. 
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
“The energy irony of the day is both the US and Russia are threatening to halt deliveries of Russian oil. Russia ups the ante with natural gas.”
The irony is that Putin is holding a knife to his own throat and is threatning to cut if we don’t buy his oil and gas. A basic rule of business is that if you have a client who accounts for 70% of your sales, you don’t do anything to piss off that client.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I would go back if I were you…..
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
I take it you think Russia will attack Nato. With what objective, World dominance, occupation, to make Russia richer, just for power, to make a point? 
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
To get access to Russia’s oil. Duh.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Which Nato country has Russia’s oil?
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
He doesn’ t get it, that s obvious… LOL…
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Nope
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
ain t that a shame….(the song) 
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Oh well, no worries, so obvious no one can explain.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
…..whatever Scooot , this is not in our hands ….I DO hope it ends though , unlike some fanatic mfrs on the blog here, obviously wanting more blood…. 
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
But you are not me. 
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Not sure what you’re saying. Hope you don’t think the US buys 70% of Russian oil and gas. We don’t buy anything close to that.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I was talking about Europe. I thought you knew.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
When you said we don’t buy his oil and gas, you meant Europe?
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
When I said “A basic rule of business is that if you have a client who accounts for 70% of your sales, you don’t do anything to piss off that client.”
I was saying that the EU accounted for 70% of Russia’s oil and gas sales which is approximately true or was true.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Seems to me by holding oil hostage, all you succeed in doing is increasing the global price by reducing global supply. Who gets hurt the most? This game is played at the margin, BTW. I suggest those most dependent on oil, with limited access to supply. #1 is Europe.  So, now NATO has to attack Russia to get its supply of oil increased.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Even if the war ended tomorrow, relations with Russia would take decades to heal. Sanctions would remain and energy would be in short supply for some time. 
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
It won’t take decades. WW2 was 100x worse than this and Germany and Japan came back in a few years.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn

Germany was split in two with completely new governance. East Germany only prospered when Germany was eventually unified. 

FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
Not so sure about that ….even today East Germany  hasn t reached the same economic level ….
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels

Ok, I can’t be sure, but I’d guess it’s better than when they were behind the Iron Curtain. 

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
In reality it took the European Union to fix East Germany. Unification put Germany as a whole in big time debt and they were a serious debtor country until the European Union took off in the early 00’s. At that point Germany became a huge exporter to the rest of the EU and started running their surpluses and paid for the reunification.
Essentially the rest of Europe paid Germany reparations and continues to do so 🙂
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Actually both countries took decades to truly come back but they were both severely wrecked.
What will be interesting is how big the damage in Ukraine gets and how long it takes them to get back. Could be a decade or more depending on how much ‘free money’ the West is willing to give them.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Matter of printin’ ….
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
Something that is often repeated : US is autonomous in shale gas, needs no importations. But some other voices say that deposits of shale gas are  exhausted very quickly, and that the best deposits have already been used (Gail Tverberg). Where is the truth ?
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Both things are true. The US has lots of shale gas AND each shale gas well quickly depletes (faster than conventional wells).
It just means you have to constantly drill lots of wells. Biden will have to relax on drilling rules just as Europe is relaxing on going green.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
+1
“.each shale gas well quickly depletes (faster than conventional wells).
..”
Absolutely. And also, each new well is (on average) less valuable than before. Lowest hanging fruit picked first and all….
Early on, this lowest hanging fruit effect, was more than compensated for by increasing economies of scale and rapidly improving technology and knowledge: More and more infrastructure, technology and knowhow were already in place and developed for earlier wells. Making it easier and cheaper to bring each new well online.
As long as few wells were drilled, the tech was novel, knowledge and workforce skills were growing rapidly, and little infrastructure was in place; the latter effects were dominant. Leading to net reduced cost for each new well. At some point, that will no longer be the case. Tech matures, the workforce is already knowledgeable and experienced, and infrastructure is in place everywhere. Then, the dominant effect will become the diminishing returns/low hanging fruit already picked one.
We may, in the US, be just about there by now. Now, on the rest of planet earth, it’s still largely virgin territory….. Maybe ol’e Put’s latest escapades, will convince a few others that this is something worth looking into on energy security grounds… It would be a boon for a very US-dominant industry, if they did…
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
4 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Ive posted on this before. The US is at a peak in the production of shale oil. The only basin capable of showing growth is the Permean basin. Elsewhere the fields are mature (peaked) or in decline. IMHO, the overall decline in US oil production begins in a few years or certainly this decade. This naturally will have consequences as the US again will further and further rely on outside sources for its oil.
 
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
4 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Since you mention Gail Tverberg, Im assuming youve read this and I am in completely  in agreement with this section of her latest post. Ive stated that peak energy is the real issue coming forward and not climate change, although some may disagree.
The world economy should have known about the importance of fossil fuels and the likelihood that the world economy would face depletion issues in the first half of the 21st century, ever since https://ourfiniteworld.com/2007/07/02/speech-from-1957-predicting-peak-oil/ in 1957. In this speech, Rickover said
………………………….

“Many people today would conclude that world leaders have done their best to ignore this advice. The likely problem with fossil fuels has been hidden behind an imaginative, but false, narrative that our biggest problem is climate change caused primarily by fossil fuel extraction that can be expected to extend until at least 2100, unless positive steps are made to hold back this extraction.

In this false narrative, all the world needs to do is to move to wind and solar for its energy needs. As I discussed in my most recent post, titled https://ourfiniteworld.com/2022/02/09/limits-to-green-energy-are-becoming-much-clearer/, this narrative of success is completely false. Instead, we seem to be hitting energy limits in the near term because of chronically low prices. Wind and solar are doing very little to help because they cannot be depended upon when needed. Furthermore, the quantity of wind and solar available is far too low to replace fossil fuels.

Few people in America and Europe realize that the world economy is entirely dependent upon Russia’s exports of oil, coal and natural gas. This dependency can be seen in many ways. For example, in 2020, 41% of world natural gas exports came from Russia. Natural gas is especially important for balancing electricity from wind and solar.

North America has historically played only a very small role in natural gas exports; it is questionable whether North America can ramp up its total natural gas production in the future, given the depletion problems being experienced with respect to the extraction of oil and the associated natural gas from shale formations. Continuously high oil prices are necessary to justify ramping up production outside of sweet spots.”

Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
One factor no one is thinking of. Demand goes down for natural gas as we enter spring and summer in Europe.  Russia picked the wrong time to start this invasion of Ukraine. Another strategic mistake by Putin. Putin has people in Russia by the balls but this is only because things suck there. They can’t even get a flight out of the country unless they vow to kill Ukrainians.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Pretty sure Putin knew this. During the winter Nat gas is burned at a higher rate than it can be supplied, so when it’s warm, inventories are replenished. Unless the US somehow delivers a lot of LNG, Europe will still need Russian gas.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Unless Putin is removed first.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
How would that change the amount of gas Europe needs from Russia?
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I ve noticed in recent days he s not very smart , even if he pretends to be…. 
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
It still matters.

It takes a long time to replenish supplies, and Europe is almost empty.  Without deliveries this summer being stockpiled, Europe is in big trouble.

If Putin shuts off the taps, gas prices will explode even more than they have.

Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
Europe has enough gas to finish the winter and has time to restock for the next. They are now stocked at 34% and rising. Additionally the US, Europe and the rest of the world is entering into recession and there will be dmand destruction resulting in a drop for demand for oil and gas. 
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
I doubt Russia will cut off energy exports to Germany. It’s in Russia’s best interest to remain on good terms with Germany and having Germany not follow the US in boycotting their energy signals to Europe that Europe is in charge of their destiny. Not the US.
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I think they can cut off energy exports, but progressively.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Russian leverage over Europe is over because Europe is willing to take the pain to end it. So Putin cuts off the gas. Europe will not crawl back because 1) they don’t need to and 2) giving in to Russia at this point is political suicide. 
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Cross the pond now  !
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Xthepond. Happy?
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
You have no idea of what the world thinks outside of what the US government wants you to think.
Much of the world views this conflict as Russia fighting off US aggression. Not evil Putin trying to unify the old soviet union.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Is that why the whole of Europe, Australia etc is suddenly united against Russia with mass support for Ukraine? 
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
European governments are publicly against Russia. Many of it’s citizens are not. And pretty much all of Asia, where the majority of people live, is still doing business as usual with Russia.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I disagree. You only need to look at the humanitarian help the citizens of neighbouring countries are offering refugees. Look at the Ukrainian flags that are waved by spectators at European sporting events. I can assure you the vast majority of the UK believe Russia is an justified invader of Ukraine, a murderer of their citizens and destroyer of their cities and way of life. 
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
Typo: should say unjustified 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I don’t think you understand the meaning of “many”.  At best, it is the usual suspects whining about how bad the USA is.  Perhaps 10% I would say as I float around a large number of websites. 
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
They say they are willing to take the pain. But lets see what happens when the pain actually starts and gets much worse. Right now barely anything has happened pain wise.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Russia may rethink that after Poland and other countries are sending their older MIG fighters to German air bases for Ukraine to pick-up and start using.  Air strikes should make for some good videos!
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Dont worry, Trudeau is down there taking care of the situation.
  • When asked about whether Canada would be boosting its military budget to meet the NATO spending target of two per cent of GDP: “We need to make sure that the women and men in the Canadian Armed forces have all the equipment necessary to be able to stand strongly, as we always have as members of NATO.”
  • When asked whether Canada would be using its petroleum sector to help Europe lessen its dependence on Russian oil: “We need to move forward on decarbonizing our economies, but we need to do that in a way that supports people through that process and we’re going to continue doing that.”
  • When asked about the effectiveness of sanctions in curbing Russian aggression: “The courage of the Ukrainians in standing up to the Russian invaders has inspired and humbled us all and we need to show ourselves as determined to push back against Putin.”
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
As a Canadian expat living in the US, it’s an embarrassing time when I have to tell someone I’m from Canada. All my US friends relentlessly make fun of Trudeau and Canadian politics and what’s really sad is that even Biden and Trump are better than Trudeau. He’s probably the most clueless leader in the Western World and that’s saying something.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
 “He’s probably the most clueless leader in the Western World and that’s saying something.”
Im sure the Europeans are finding out as well.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
We need another strain of Covid so people can work from home and kill the demand side of the equation forever.  Why on earth would companies ask employees to come in to the office at these gas prices ? 
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
A lot of people are still working from home. Many companies will offer this permanently. Otherwise it will put them at a competitive disadvantage when hiring talent. 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Companies are being pressured by city/town politicians everywhere to force employees back into the office because a large part of their economies depend on regular foot traffic into local stores.  W/O that foot traffic, the local stores go out of business and tax revenues dissipate.
Cocoa
Cocoa
4 years ago
Isn’t it incredible that political decisions seem to be making the fossil fuel business a fortune? Or big Pharma? Or…military spending
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
It is possible to reduce demand for energy by introducing rationing. The UK did this in the 70’s when we had a 3 day week during the coal miners’ long strike. I wouldn’t like to speculate on how it would work with oil and Natural Gas but I’m sure they could find a way. Admittedly  it’s not desirable, but maybe we’ll get to a point when needs must. At least out cities are still in one piece. 
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
If prices keep going up, people will voluntarily ration. If I lived in Europe, I would have already turned the thermostat down 10c and put on an extra sweater.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Yes, I agree price is one form of rationing. However, rationing demand will help keep the price down, particularly if done on a wide enough scale. I guess this is why it was done during WW2. I’m not suggesting this is the best option, just an option. 

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