EU Imposes the World’s Largest Carbon Tax Scheme, Inflationary Madness Sets In

Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism 

To prevent “carbon leakage” the European Parliament Reached a Deal on a Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism, CBAM for short. 

An EU Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism (CBAM) will be set up to equalise the price of carbon paid for EU products operating under the EU Emissions Trading System (ETS) and the one for imported goods. This will be achieved by obliging companies that import into the EU to purchase so-called CBAM certificates to pay the difference between the carbon price paid in the country of production and the price of carbon allowances in the EU ETS.

CBAM will cover iron and steel, cement, aluminum, fertilizers and electricity, as proposed by the Commission, and extended to hydrogen, indirect emissions under certain conditions, certain precursors as well as to some downstream products such as screws and bolts and similar articles of iron or steel.

Before the end of the transition period, the Commission shall assess whether to extend the scope to other goods at risk of carbon leakage, including organic chemicals and polymers, with the goal to include all goods covered by the ETS by 2030. 

CBAM is part of the “Fit for 55 in 2030 package”, which is the EU’s plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by at least 55% by 2030 compared to 1990 levels in line with the European Climate Law.

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No Waivers 

Resource Shift

The only effect CBAM would have is a resource shift whereby clean energy capacity in already under-resourced countries will be shifted for export production while industry aimed at local consumption and energy access will depend on dirty fuels.”

The EU Goes Rogue on Climate Policy With CBAM

The Wall Street Journal reports The EU Goes Rogue on Climate Policy With CBAM

The CBAM as drafted would disadvantage the U.S., especially our small businesses and manufacturers, even though the U.S. and EU have nearly identical environmental performance and emissions standards. Particularly problematic in the EU agreement is the obligation for EU importers to pay the difference between the carbon price paid in the country of production and the price of carbon allowances under the EU’s emissions trading system.

Many economies, including the U.S., rely on regulations under statutes such as the Clean Air Act to limit emissions. The EU’s proposal doesn’t credit the cost of domestic regulation when the border tax is applied. The failure to recognize the implicit costs of U.S. regulation would inevitably lead to double emission taxation on exporters.

Neither a Tax Nor a Tariff

The EU says CBAM is neither a tax nor a tariff. It’s an “adjustment mechanism” to “level the playing field“.

Yeah right. 

The US objections to CBAM are amusing as were the EU objections to Biden’s horrendously names Inflation Reduction Act that will do anything but reduce inflation. 

The EU is Very Worried About Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act (IRA)

On November 30, I commented The EU is Very Worried About Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act (IRA)

Under WTO rules, much of Biden’s IRA is really an illegal subsidy. The EU cannot do in 5 years what the US can pass in a session if one political party is in clear control.

In addition to Biden’s free clean energy handouts, the US is largely energy independent while the EU desperately needs Russian energy.

All the EU can do is bitch to the WTO and that will take many years as well. 

Importantly, Germany is upset because the US is handing out free money clean energy subsidies despite WTO rules and it can’t.

And not having learned anything from Russia, Germany is now cozying up to China.

Hoot of the Day 

Please consider Europe Tries to Stop Exporting Its Emissions.

Given the self-imposed cost of going green, the CBAM explicitly looks to make European manufacturers more competitive with foreign producers. Europe says that’s fair. In compliance with World Trade Organization rules, it isn’t discriminating against any particular country, just leveling the playing field.

But this means top trading partners like the U.S. will now face a steep carbon bill when docking at the ports of Rotterdam or Antwerp. 

The U.S. has attempted to discourage the CBAM. Climate envoy John Kerry warned Europe against proceeding with the border tax, saying last year that “the United States has strong feelings about not having excessive regulation.”

Biden has “strong feelings about not having excessive regulation,” says John Kerry. What a hoot!

CBAM Quantitative Assessment

Please consider the The Global Impact of a Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism: A Quantitative Assessment by the IMF. Amazingly the IMF got something right.

  • Carbon border tax has been debated in many countries over the past decade, and remains highly controversial. While CBAMs have a global impact by design, the scale of its “spillover effects” on other countries is seldom studied. There are concerns that a unilateral EU CBAM will not only distort international trade, but also shift the burden of addressing climate change to developing countries.
  • Countries that rely on carbon-intensive exports to the EU will be disproportionately impacted by the CBAM. Welfare losses in developing countries like Ukraine, Egypt, Mozambique and Turkey range between $1 billion to $5 billion, which are significant relative to their gross domestic product (GDP). Mozambique’s economy would shrink by 2.5 percent due to decreased demand.
  • The CBAM could worsen income inequality and welfare distribution between rich and poor economies.
  • At its broadest implementation, the CBAM could result in an annual welfare gain in developed countries of $141 billion, while developing countries see an annual welfare loss of $106 billion, compared to a baseline scenario.

We need to stop right there because the IMF solution is reparations and an “Equitable Decarbonization Fund” (EDF) to developing countries.

Tit for Tat?

Perhaps CBAM is the EU’s way of striking back at the US for Biden’s IRA.

More likely, it’s just economic stupidity across the board as noted in Al Gore and John Kerry Aim to Hijack the World Bank for Climate Agenda

On November 12, president Biden’s climate ambassador, John Kerry, made this statement:

It’s a well-known fact that the United States and many other countries will not establish…some sort of legal structure that is tied to compensation or liability. That’s just not happening.

Guess what happened. 

For the answer, please consider President Biden, the UN, and the Climate Lobby Seek to Spread More Fossil Fuel Misery

Three Things CBAM Will Do

  1. Increase inflation
  2. Reduce global trade
  3. Hammer developing countries 

And the one thing it will not do is much of anything, if anything at all, for the environment.

50 Years of Dire Predictions

Finally, Let’s Review 50 Years of Dire Climate Forecasts and What Actually Happened

Many of the predictions are outrageously funny, especially AOC’s 2019 announcement that the world will end in 12 years.

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worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
CALLING ZARDOZ!!!
Here’s a juicy one for you straight from one of your liberal new think tank, NBC News:
Threy’re just walking across the border with NO interactions with CBP agents. That’s open freaking borders calamity, dude!
fxpoet
fxpoet
1 year ago
One can only imagine that the general well-being of those in Europe is going to decrease pretty substantially on the back of CBAM. But hey, they voted for these morons, so they deserve what they get. The question is how much pain they will be able to withstand before changing their tune, and how long it will take.
Parallax
Parallax
1 year ago
I think the intention of this might actually be to stop the bleed of USD in order to save the eurodollar system.
It’s important to consider that international trade is carried out in USD.
The federal reserve is starving the eurodollar with high barrowing and reverse repo rates. Some speculate that Powell is tryjng to crash the EU hard before the US does. So while these taxes will cause local inflation, it will also soften the landing compared to a hard default. This also shifts production preference and tax revenue locally.
Alot of these people aren’t actually stupid, they just profit more by not being authentic. I bet it’s an easy guess how their own investments are shifting.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
To prevent “carbon leakage”
Currently, due to local atmospheric conditions, people in Los Angeles are not permitted to use their fireplace.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
“Tit for Tat?”
Newton’s fig tree of economics.
tractionengine
tractionengine
1 year ago
Taxes, tariffs, adjustments are all costs levied on the buyers in the importing country showing up as price increases. The importing government receives the money and the exporter suffers the consequences. What does the government do with its newfound income?
Money goes where it’s treated best so the businesses being affected adjust their long-term plans. These companies offshore and the the tariff income supports the job losses. Rinse and repeat until there are no jobs.
Duck
Duck
1 year ago
Europe descends more into a medieval world. They will tax and starve their people. This is what happens when the population has no guns. Guns are the great equalizer in any country.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Duck
Point your ar15 at that himars and see how much freedom it gains you.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
About as much freedom as the French gained, when they pointed their pitchforks at the cavalry?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Perhaps pointing 3 or 4 AR15s at the guys operating the HIMARS?
FYI, it is much more difficult to continue feeding a HIMARS than feeding a bunch of rifles.
prumbly
prumbly
1 year ago
Not sure if this will lead to more inflation outside the EU. It will certainly lead to a huge drop in demand for oil/LNG and manufactured goods in the EU, which sounds very deflationary to the rest of the world that produces these things.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
all this just strikes me as an 21st century twist on centuries of this kind of tariff stuff. whether tariffs on cotton goods in usa, or the book “confessions of an economic hit man”, all this stuff is old as dirt. only the puppies out there believed in some sort of free market trading. school girl gooey taught to middlebrows in post ww2 amerikan public schools. inflation has been raging. will continue to rage. not sure how folks conclude we are gonna be deflationary times. house prices can crater and pricing of taxes utilities and maintenance and food soaring. this is economics 101.
RunnerDan
RunnerDan
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Don’t kid yourself, the free market is real! Just depends what market you’re talking about. Manual/low wage labor and the technical sector? You bet! Higher education, healthcare, and home prices? Nah…
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  RunnerDan
go look up how many state government employees have grown over the decades. on top of the federal employees and local meter maid police level, too. our economy is no where near a free market on labor. not even close.
grazzt
grazzt
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
As a proportion of population, Federal Government employment peaked in 1967 been going down since. State Governments peaked in 1975 and plateaued through 2002 and have been on a slight decline since. Local Governments also peaked in 1975 and then dipped to a low in 1984 rising back to parity with 1975 in 2002 and then also have been in a slight decline since.
The main issue with government employees is their wages tend to keep up with inflation, where the private sector struggles to maintain pace, hence over time a greater proportion of wage earnings flow to the government side. That and the fact tax payers shell out beaucoup dollars to employ private sector employers to produce services and consumables for war which provides no direct benefit to the populace.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
1 year ago
Reply to  grazzt
Governments have outsourced government jobs that s obvious , whether direct or indirect government employees, they are being paid by the government …..
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  grazzt
A Raytheon retiree explained to me how he spent 20 years spending a $100,000 salary into the local economy and continues to spend his pension. Like it or not, war benefits the general population too.
killben
killben
1 year ago
Instead of Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism, it could have been aptly named as “Carbon Re-Adjustment Policy”, CRAP in short.
Mouse
Mouse
1 year ago
We did this already when the EU tried to impose a tax on emissions on international flights. The EU lost… badly. EU airlines lost landing slots all over the world, while the EU was forced to rescind their tax. This latest act of stupid will end even worse:
First, every other country is going to sign a meaningless document certifying that all their exports to the EU are 100% carbon neutral. Maybe this is true, maybe not. But if the EU wants to challenge the certification, they can do so solely at the EU’s expense. Our country could use the tourism revenue when EU inspectors come to visit. The EU should expect every single case to be litigated to death, at the EU’s expense.
Second, we (insert non-EU country name here) impose a new “not a tax” tax on all EU exports to our country. This is clearly more effective for major EU export markets, but at its heart the EU is a mercantilist system that needs exports to survive.
Third, the EU will agree to grant waivers to any and all OPEC natural gas and crude oil. Yup we heard you: you said no waivers. So what? You will grant OPEC waivers or you can go buy natgas and oil from Russia. The EU is out of options, and everyone but Brussels knows it.
Fourth, when you infants are ready to stop this stupidity, we will be renegotiating all trade treaties. Right now, international treaties tend to favor G7 countries. That is going to change. Our products will not be hampered in any way going into Europe. European products will no longer get favorable access to our markets. If you don’t like this, we will focus exports to the global south until the EU freezes to death, starves to death, or both.
Thanks for playing Brussels!!!!
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
1 year ago
We already knew we were dealing with worthless, messing up parasites in our good old Brussels ….the undemocratic corrupt EU circus seems to have gone totally berserk now …..
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Have they come for your potato, Comrade? No let them take potato! Potato belong to you!
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Klaus Schwab says globally, people will own no potatos and be happy.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
You should be able to heat your home by hot air coming from the Commissariat.
How is the MEP scandal going? Didn’t they get their heat supplement to prop up their meagre income?
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
1 year ago
This is merely the tip of the iceberg, of course bags filled with Euros mean outright corruption , on the other hand we also ‘enjoy’ official corruption, with MPs lobbying for multinationals to get away with certain issues, this kind of corruption is totally acceptable and legal and therefore pervasively ubiquitous.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Actually, the real question is, did the MEPs receive a vibe that the satrapy of Qatar is a new desperately needed strategic gas supplier, and in bad need of whitewashing. So the MEPs just received some extra cash for extra services. Is the investigation going in that logical direction?
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
So on the cusp of being deindustrialized because energy is too expensive to manufacture anything profitably (or bake bread, open a shop, keep a pub). Europe decides to make everything containing energy even more expensive. They are looking for an even better way to commit suicide.
The calculation of the embedded carbon will be purely arbitrary. Many products of hundreds of components, sourced all over the globe, with scores of intermediate processing steps. Keeping track of carbon balances will prove impossible. You can’t even ship oil and be certain about provenance or destination in many cases.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Webej
… and all the while, Jethro’s gonna be rollin’ coal in Kentucky.
RunnerDan
RunnerDan
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
As he should…
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  RunnerDan
Why?
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
“Finally, Let’s Review 50 Years of Dire Climate Forecasts and What Actually Happened

Many of the predictions are outrageously funny, especially AOC’s 2019 announcement that the world will end in 12 years.”

That depends on who is making the forecast. If it is a politician, a celebrity, a journalist, or a social influencer, it is likely to be uninformed and completely wrong.
If it is from climate scientists and their models, it is likely to be pretty accurate.
Pretending that global warming doesn’t exist because of stupid things that are said by the uninformed, makes one look just as stupid.
I cannot change how stupid some people are, or the stupid things they say. All I can do is look at what is actually happening in the world and then attempt to profit from it.
What is happening right now is that the world is attempting to transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy in order to deal with global warming. This transition is resulting in tight supplies and likely a shortage of fossil fuels, probably for the rest of this decade. Which will make oil and gas firms a great place to invest for the rest of this decade as they are gushing cash flow.
Example: WCP just reduced their net debt to 1.8B and will increase their monthly dividend by 32% in January. They expect to reduce net debt to 1.3 B in the next 6 months and will increase the dividend by another 30% at that point. Following that, they plan on a combination of special dividends and share buybacks in H2 2023.
Europe’s carbon tax scheme is is likely to help further restrict oil supplies, and keep oil prices higher for longer. What’s not to like? I can’t change it. But I can profit from it.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
…..trite….
Dr Funkenstein
Dr Funkenstein
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Scientists are the biggest shills in the world. Anything to get a research grant given out by a politician who makes them jump through hoops…or threatens their livelihood if they do not comply.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Dr Funkenstein
If it wasn’t for scientists, you’d be sitting on a rock by a fire gnawing the last bits of marrow out of a squirrel bone. You wouldn’t be effortlessly spreading your angry nonsense to the far flung corners of the globe using an artifact that you’re no more capable of comprehending than an ant is capable of comprehending algebra.
Study it out.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
bone marrow is healthy. i grew up eating it. still enjoy it.
RunnerDan
RunnerDan
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You are describing what the scientists’ paymasters want for everyone except themselves.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  RunnerDan
Toot toot! Kook alert!
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
We noticed you were here. No need to announce.
Mouse
Mouse
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
The US Constitution guarantees PapaDave an alienable right to say (write) stupid things.
It does not guarantee the rest of us will bother reading his eco-terrorist thoughts
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Mouse
…but read them you do. What power compels you?
Mouse
Mouse
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I read the first sentence of his first comment, and realized papaDave is a couple sandwiches short of a picnic. I spent about 2-3 seconds.
the crazy man clearly spent 10-15 minutes typing out drivel that most people, like me, wont bother to read
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Mouse
out of line old mouse. what would mickey think
Mouse
Mouse
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
There is no difference between the Taliban saying all women must wear burquas and pray their way four times a day, or the Covid nazis saying everyone must wear masks and get a shot, or the eco-terrorists cutting off funding or taxing anyone who does not conform to their religion. These are all forms of state violence, even if some people (cough) are too timid to call it for what it is.
The Taliban have a better claim — one cannot definitively prove that Allah didn’t require burquas. Not saying Allah did or did not, only saying we cannot prove it. Covid masks (even N95) don’t work and that has been proven. The mRNA shot does not prevent transmission (according to Pfizer itself) and it does not prevent infection (ask all the people, including Fauci and Biden, who got covid after getting the shot). And Mish mentioned only a few of the more egregious f#ck ups in the environmentalists forecasts. Like the covid nazis, the eco-terrorists have been proven wrong.
The Taliban continue stoning people to death. The covid nazis are still trying to impose penalties (less than honorable discharge from military as a glaring example). And the eco-terrorists are trying to cut off funding of businesses that don’t conform to their religion — threatening jobs, investments, and families who cannot afford heat this winter.
The eco-terrorists can mouth off if that makes them happy, but when they force their opinions on others they are committing violence. Especially if they use the power of the state to force themselves on others.
Eco-terrorists are no different from the Taliban. Heck, they are even trying to burn books and internet posts that they think are blasphemy (see everything Google, Facebook and pre-Musk Twitter).
Telling papaDave he is full of it is quite different from telling him he must comply with my thinking or lose his job, access to healthcare, and ability to feed his family. That is what his ilk are doing. Its awful, and he must be called out for the violent nazi that he is
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Mouse
Always the victim… booo hoooo.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The injected mRNA injured didn’t ask to be victims. Neither were they warned that they could become one. “Safe and effective.” Now they are being victimized twice, by the CDC refusal to acknowledge their mRNA injuries.
happypuppy888
happypuppy888
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Your temperature may be running too high, sparky. Take some aspirin and get plenty of sleep.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
If all the do-gooders in the world would quit their windmill tilting and just concentrate fully on making a profit like PapaDave, the world would be better off. Just imagine how much better an entire world of PapaDave profit seekers would be! Most people can’t change any of these things anyway. PapaDave says so.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
This just sounds like a reason for countries to stop doing business with the EU.
If I was those African nations I’d be looking to export my fertilizer, cement etc elsewhere rather than Europe. At the same time, I’d tell Europe that not only were those products stopping but so is oil, gas, food etc and anything else sent to Europe. In other words, I’d look to join OPEC and expand price controls from Oil to pretty much anything else sent to Europe and then force Europe to back down since they’d aren’t self sufficient.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Well, there’s always the Belt and Road Initiative.
Counter
Counter
1 year ago
What type of energy will poor people be using?
Millions cannot afford to heat homes as UK faces Arctic snap
More than 3 million low-income UK households cannot afford to heat their homes, according to research, as a “dangerously cold” weather front arrives from the Arctic.

The UK Health Security Agency has issued a cold weather alert recommending vulnerable people warm their homes to at least 18C, wear extra layers and eat hot food to protect themselves from plummeting temperatures…

But about 710,000 households will still struggle to pay for warm clothing, heating and food, according to analysis by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.

A fifth of the 2.5 million low-income households were going without food and heating, it estimated. The JRF survey, of 4,251 people in the bottom 40% of incomes, which was conducted last month, also estimated that about 4.3 million households had curbed their spending on heating before the cold spell.

More than 7 million households have gone without at least one of the essentials since June, the JRF will say when its full report is released next week.

About 2.4 million households have borrowed money or used credit to cover their bills so far this year. The current cold snap means households with vulnerable people face the impossible decision over whether to take on more debt to heat their home to the level recommended by health professionals.

Matthew Weaver The Guardian
Thu 8 Dec 2022 03.05 EST
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
Reply to  Counter
“What type of energy will poor people be using?”
None. That’s what life in third world countries have always been like.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
They’ve been solar for thousands of years.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Until the dilettante children of the Fed Welfare Queens “needs” forcefully transferred trillions for the “geo engineering” nonense to “fight” “climate change.”
Dystopia must go on….
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Counter
first the furniture. then the fences. then the trees in the yard and park down the block.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Counter
Not a problem.
In other news, the Government recommends that everyone save at least $1,500,000.00 for their retirement.
You will need to save more if inflation exceeds 2%.
You’re welcome.
Billy
Billy
1 year ago
This sounds like a great way to control the BRICS.
Anyone who believes in global warming and is having guilt, I will sell you cheap carbon credits from my solar and Tesla. I will agree to suffer the burden for you. I’m even willing to sell derivatives of my carbon credits.
Mouse
Mouse
1 year ago
Reply to  Billy
The BRICS will be controlling the EU.
When the EU tried to impose a carbon tax on airline travel, the net result was that EU airlines lost critical landing slots at the busiest airports around the world. The EU was forced to reimburse foreign (non-EU) airlines for taxes collected — in order to get EU aircraft out of impound yards. And the EU was forced to rescind their stupid idea before the blow back completely destroyed all EU airlines (including state owned).
This will back fire on the EU as well.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Billy
Derivatives? Pfaugh! Issue cryptocarbon tokens, to build liquidity pools for staking!
Nobody has any idea what it means, but they’ll buy them.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
my favorite investment i saw being sold in pax dumbphuckistan was the viatical salesmen hawking early death payoffs. some of them knocking on my door as a hedge fund manager made me just LOL. i had to listen to their pitches, as it was the best ever. i tipped my hat to them and just said Bravo. nothing better in my life.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Never underestimate the ability of progressives to make a bad situation much worse. Why not just hand over the third world to China now and be done with it?
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Agreed. Just look at the southern border. It’s downright chaos, and Title 42 ends Wednesday. The reports coming out of there will be completely off the rail zonkers by the time it starts to warm up some. Hell, January – March may actually bring beyond total chaos early for all we know.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Got a link to the chaos?
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Open a new browser tab, Zardoz, go to google.com and type “us border crisis”. It’s that easy. Your big tech censoring friend, google.com, returns 400M results in less than 0.60 seconds. Here’s an easy 10 for your brain to digest. BTW, I can’t wait for your liberal, denial minded reply. Can’t wait! Woohoo!
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You have to venture outside CNN. Many news organizations show the complete mess at the southern border.
grazzt
grazzt
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
lol, glad to know the third world was the West’s to hand over in the first place.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
and interest rates would go up to combat the increased inflation which isn’t trade friendly either.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Sounds like countries that figure out how to generate electricity cheaply will be punished. They should just jack up electricity costs and use the proceeds to pay taxes for energy consumers.
denker
denker
1 year ago
Carbon taxes are ludicrous. Why should governments receive money for what is a by-product of industry, transportation, energy generation etc. Do governments pay carbon taxes to themselves for their carbon emissions? Certainly the military emit large amounts of CO2 not to mention bureaucrats travelling all over the place. This latest compensatory (or punitive) carbon tax on imports is a nightmare. But Brussels loves red tape. That is the main raison d’etre of the EU isn’t it?
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Could this be deflationary on a larger scale? That money that is collected from taxes could be removed from the economy by paying down debt… or at least minting less debt. Less affordable goods reduce demand, too, which, in the absence of a flood of free money, would drive down prices.
denker
denker
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
What perverse reasoning. Reduce demand (deflationary) by new, complex tariffs that increase costs for everyone, business and consumers. Good luck in the paying down debt or less emitting of new debt. Be sure Brussels will find other ways to spend the windfall. But your kind of thinking is just what they love in the EU administration and parliament, so you have a great future there.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  denker
What’s logically wrong with that premise? you’ve told us you don’t like it and you don’t like me, but I’d genuinely be interesting in finding the fallacy,
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
On the surface it seems like it should work. But when keep following through with what will happen you’ll realize all it will do is shift winners and losers around a bit but not reduce demand.
As a thought experiment imagine the Fed got Congress to pass a tax on everything sold that added $5 to the price of the item. In theory this should reduce demand as you stated ($1 items would suddenly be $6, gas would be 11/gallon etc) and the government would rake in record money. In reality what would happen is the lower economic class (poor) would collapse. They’d immediately clamor for welfare and stimmy handouts equivalent to the $5 item and unless the they wanted riots/political suicide they’d implement it (the so called level playing field Europe talks about). The truly rich wouldn’t notice all that much. The middle class who didn’t qualify for the handouts would be hammered in their standard of living (losers) and fall into the poor class.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Very plausible… I guess whether it’s a viable course of action boils down to how likely your people are to riot when they lose X amount of stuff. I think they’ll put up with a lot more than you’d expect. There are armies of utterly discarded people milling about in major cities. They’re a nuisance, but they seldom riot. If you can keep ’em fed, warm, and in front of as screen, they’re generally pacified.
The Iranians had to be utterly stomped and brutalized by their religious whackos before they got to it. Pretty much the same with the police murder riots… it was something far more egregious than the day to day that kicked them off.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Mobility is an outstanding characteristic of America.
They have the ability to lower themselves by their own bootstraps from the middle class down to being poor.
denker
denker
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Mon cher Zardoz, Liking you or not is not the issue. Certainly this monstrous, bureaucratic, red tape explosion-nightmare for business/importers etc. dubbed the Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism may reduce demand by increasing prices and input costs but is that deflationary? Just the costs of calculating this bizarre mechanism will be massive. This way of thinking is what will in the end destroy EU competitiveness in world markets not to mention higher energy costs due to the Green New Deal European version. It amazes me that the blatant insanity is not self evident. I guess compared to so much lunacy coming out of Brussels this is just another installment.
denker
denker
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Needed to create a 2nd reply to finish. To summarize your premise: Increase prices/costs via this carbon tax on imports which may result in reduced demand (demand destruction) which might be ultimately deflationary. Sounds logical?
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  denker
just call it a border tax. a tariff. read history. YOU sir, Denker are 100% correct. anyone thinking deflation is coming hasn’t read history enough. imho. no disrespect to mish or many of the commenters. the amount of printing due to plague was 25 years worth in normal times. on top of that, we now have a world wide trade war with tariffs and de globalizing……..and sanctions all over the world. deflation. not on your life.
MBA SOFA
MBA SOFA
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz

Import substitution called it in Argentina, that marvelous economy. Buy expensive and inefficient goods made at home instead cheap ones made abroad. Prices up, GDP down. It is not deflationary, production decreases, no prices.

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Q: Who does your proposal hurt the most?
A: Those who are less able to help themselves. (Things with a high energy component will increase in price.)
What a stroke of genius! Make the poor even poorer.
Mouse
Mouse
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
it will accelerate the de-industrialization of Europe… CBAM will get repealed as it becomes clear the blow back will be crushing (its too easy for other countries to pass the costs right back to the EU).
In the meantime, damage will be done to the EU’s reputation. if the EU is not a stable place to do business, why not focus business development efforts on markets with better demographics and better growth potential?
RunnerDan
RunnerDan
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The poor will be taken care of in exchange for votes. Therefore, as usual, the middle class takes the hit.

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