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Fed Minutes Now Predict a Recession This Year Along With Higher Unemployment

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Please consider Minutes of the Federal Open Market Committee for March 21–22, 2023. 

Staff Economic Outlook – Twelve Key Things

  1. The staff’s projection at the time of the March meeting included a mild recession starting later this year, with a recovery over the subsequent two years.
  2. If banking and financial conditions and their effects on macroeconomic conditions were to deteriorate more than assumed in the baseline, then the risks around the baseline would be skewed to the downside for both economic activity and inflation, particularly because historical recessions related to financial market problems tend to be more severe and persistent than average recessions.
  3. Real GDP growth in 2024 was projected to remain below the staff’s estimate of potential output growth, and then GDP growth in 2025 was expected to be above that of potential. 
  4. Resource utilization in both product and labor markets was forecast to be much less tight than in the January projection.
  5. The level of real output was projected to move below the staff’s estimate of potential output in early 2024, more than a year sooner than in the previous projection
  6. The unemployment rate was projected to rise above the staff’s estimate of its natural rate early next year
  7. The staff judged that the uncertainty around the baseline projection was much greater than at the time of the previous forecast. In particular, the staff viewed the risks around the baseline projection as determined importantly by banking conditions and the implications for financial conditions.
  8. Based on incoming economic data, participants’ assessments of the effects of cumulative policy firming, and their initial views on the likely economic effect of the recent banking-sector developments, participants generally expected real GDP to grow this year at a pace well below its long-run trend rate.
  9. Regarding the business sector, participants observed that growth in business fixed investment was being restrained by tighter financial conditions that reflected cumulative policy firming to date.
  10. Participants generally observed that the recent developments in the banking sector had further increased the already-high level of uncertainty associated with their outlooks for economic activity, the labor market, and inflation.
  11. Participants emphasized that the Federal Reserve should use its liquidity and lender-of-last-resort tools, as well as its microprudential and macroprudential regulatory and supervisory tools, to address stress in the banking sector and to mitigate future financial stability risks.
  12. Members concurred that the U.S. banking system is sound and resilient. They also agreed that recent developments were likely to result in tighter credit conditions for households and businesses and to weigh on economic activity, hiring, and inflation, but that the extent of these effects was uncertain.

Recession Coming or Has it Started?

For what I believe to be a historic first, the Fed is forecasting a recession before it started.

Or has it started already?

On February 12, I posted Let’s Discuss the Rolling Recession Idea and How Long It Might Last

“We are already in a recession,” says Charles Schwab Chief Investment Strategist Liz Ann Sonders. “It’s just of a rolling variety.”

Real Recession or Rolling Recession?

I think we are in recession and a real one. But I also think there will not be a big jump in the unemployment rate.

Expect a Long Period of Weak Growth, Whether or Not It’s Labeled Recession

And I agree with Sonders that it’s an academic exercise and said so months ago.

On August 19 2022, I commented Expect a Long Period of Weak Growth, Whether or Not It’s Labeled Recession

The Fed is now downgrading its economic forecast for 2024. That’s no shock in this corner.

In terms of unemployment, I happen to agree with the Fed. The recession will be mild. But my baseline assumption is not a return to above trend growth in 2025. 

Consumers Are Having a Much Harder Time Getting Credit Than a Year Ago

I discussed point 12 above in advance. 

Please see Consumers Are Having a Much Harder Time Getting Credit Than a Year Ago for discussion. 

The Fed has so distorted money supply and housing with its totally flawed QE policy we may not return to normal financial conditions for years.

Factor in boomer retirements and the massive inflationary policies of President Biden on energy and regulations, and the Fed will have its hands full for potentially a long time.

The dilemma for the Fed, and it’s a huge one, is that credit conditions are very deflationary, but the economic policies of this administration coupled with trade wars everywhere are very inflationary.

I somehow doubt this all nets out. The Fed is walking a dangerous tightrope. The best we can hope for is a prolonged period of weak growth. Don’t expect stock to do well in this environment.

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Carl_R
Carl_R
3 years ago
I guess this explains the projections that interest rates will soon reverse and start falling.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
2. …particularly because historical recessions related to financial
market
manipulation by the Federal Reserve tend to be more severe and persistent than average
recessions
.
They were not specific enough with the use of the word “problems.”
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
The Fed goal is higher unemployment because their theory is that it leads to lower inflation. If the recession is bad enough, then the markets could go down(*) and the Fed will be there to do QE-on-demand to keep the market stable and to hold the losses to within 20 or 25 percent at the most.

(*) – Used to be that in the past, the markets would lead the economy by about 2 quarters, but those days are gone now. Markets are so massively manipulated, which is why I find the kind of work that Hussman et al., do, while impressive, to be quite amusing.

Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
The U.S. Cracked a $3.4 Billion Crypto Heist—and Bitcoin’s Anonymity
Since crypto’s encryption no longer works we should change the name to sometime more appropriate like gypto. I am open to other names.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I would favor Pseudo…
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
All that stolen bitcoin and the guy is supposed to be a technically competent and yet it appears he didn’t use a VPN when moving around his illicit gains?
Deserved to be caught.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Some tidbits from the article.
“Instead of subpoenas to banks or other financial institutions, investigators can look to the blockchain for an instant snapshot of the money trail.”
“If there’s one thing the blockchain does really well, it preserves evidence perfectly,” said Jonathan Levin, a pioneer cryptocurrency sleuth and one of the founders of Chainalysis.
When bitcoins are stolen, the criminal is now “like a guy that robbed a bank in the snow,” said Matthew Price, a former IRS investigator who now runs investigations for cryptocurrency exchange Binance Inc. The criminal’s name might be unknown, he said, but digital breadcrumbs, like footprints in the snow, remain for authorities to follow.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I read all that. Nothing surprising there since the bitcoin ledger is forever. Everyone knows you can track wallets. What you can’t do is track who owns the wallets except:

“Mr.
Zhong made his big mistake on Dec. 16, 2020, according to court records
and an analysis of his bitcoin transactions by Elliptic. He combined
crypto funds the IRS had linked to the Silk Road thefts with legitimate
funds he kept in a cryptocurrency exchange.

With
Mr. Zhong’s Silk Road link in hand, authorities went to the bitcoin
exchange that handled the transaction. The exchange gave IRS agents an
IP address, 45.20.67.1, and Mr. Zhong’s internet service provider
confirmed that he had been using that address since 2016.”

So he moved from his illicit wallet into his other wallet all from his home IP address. So they traced who owned the wallet by the IP address used to move the funds. If he’d used a VPN from a public WiFi someplace (Starbucks) they could not have tracked it back to his house. What a moron.
Carl_R
Carl_R
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
That account was one he was using legitimately, and had been for years. The mistake came when he put some of the stolen bitcoins into the account that contained his legitimate bitcoins.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
The Fed reeducated themselves by reading Mish. The Fed participants are for higher rate. Higher rates are bs. Liquidity matter the most. Their staff participated in the Fed Pore House for few drinks, because the banks drained money supply (point #11). In 2020 the Fed sucked liquidity and soon they will pour it in. The Fed know that they might drive the economy while being intoxicated, DUI.
Janet Yelen : no recession. Fed participants : a lightweight recession for Biden 2024 reelection.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Either they are too stupid about money to balance their own books, in which case they should all be fired; or they’re running their own scam which is their historical norm. In that case they should be shot. But nothing will happen to them as they take even more of what you’ve got. Just remember, you always get the government you deserve. Can’t think of a better government for such a weak people. Mind, body, and spirit kind of weak.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
I like your solutions. I encourage you to be bold and go wild.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago

I love watching slaves beg for their misery too much to go to that swamp. Nor are they my problem. They’re yours.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
I don’t know if they get the Government they deserve.
But they assuredly get the Government for which the majority voted.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
I’ve no doubt the idiots deserve this government. Just read all the comments. So many people here keep using their noodles to try and rationalize what are obvious frauds. Nobody will ever look at the elephant in the room. They believe the tv news of all things! That takes a special kind of stupid. Ignorance and liberty cannot coexist. We’re basically a nation of golems, and nothing good can come out of that.
This is the last of the feeds that I still read. I finally quit keeping up with all the BS being spouted as it’s just too insulting. Every bit of mass media appears to be targeted to beings far too stupid to call human. And they believe what they’re told. I only read this feed because it documents the decline of everything. Imagine a world in which every thing in the economy is going south, with every decision made making it worse. And the people arguing about the placement of the deck chairs. There is no rise up out of this. There is only more consolidation and wealth inequality by virtue of theft from the ignorant. I don’t really have a problem with stealing from the ignorant. It’s just annoying that there are so many when we have so much information available. I’m actually quite happy with this government, because it is unsustainable. There becomes a point where ignorance just doesn’t cut it anymore. Anyone who has the capacity to think outside of their little box, can see that this economic situation is just one small part of the whole. However, this part, which relies on the banks to hold up under pressure, has zero reserves. So, I get to live long enough to see this system fall apart. Which it has been doing for decades. It’s just that people can’t tell the difference between living time and historical time. We’re falling apart much faster than the Roman Empire did; though we’re copying their template. That’s the advantage of technology. A technology which offered the people an opportunity to educate themselves. But they were too busy watching fail videos to do such a thing. They deserve it in spades.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
I believe it has much to do with the increasing loss of logical thinking and scientific (cause-effect) methodology in most of the population. Rational –> irrational.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Definitely! At least the “woke” admit they despise rational thought. The rest simply have no clue.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
My betters tell me that the fed is always wrong, therefore…. party time?
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
3 years ago
But is the mild recession transitory? /s
Commercial real estate loans “special servicing” keep piling up.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
The engine of prosperity begins to make a clackety sound….
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Cheap low octane fuels.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
3 years ago
And their track record is?
To be fair, do their predictions account for their own reaction to their predictions?
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
Since the Fed is forecasting an economic slowdown, it should take pre-emptive measures to stabilize banks since there was a run on banks without a recession. There are two
Re-enact the Glass-Steagall Act to separate commercial and investment banking. This can be done fairly quickly as splitting a company and issuing existing shareholders new shares in the spinoff. Glass-Steagall would have isolated SVB’s commercial depositors from investment risks and prevented the FDIC from stepping in to save SVB’s investment deposits.
The other action the FED, with the help of the SEC, should take is to prohibit shorting stocks of financial companies. Normally I would agree that shorting holds companies accountable and should be permitted. Lately I’ve had a change of heart for commercial banking. Shorting finance shares is really betting against the ENTIRE financial system. Maintaining a stable financial system is a national security issue. Look how George Soros contributed to crashing the British pound in the 1990’s!
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
“Glass-Steagall would have isolated SVB’s commercial depositors from investment risks and prevented the FDIC from stepping in to save SVB’s investment deposits.”
The investment bank part of the bank doesn’t not make the investment decisions for the whole bank. It only takes care of the securities business, M&A, and market operations. It would not have any any input as to what to do with customer deposits. In fact it is even against the law to even exchange information between the two sides on investment decisions since it would create a conflict of interest. That’s why there is a “Chinese Wall” separating the two. Glass-Steagall did not prevent stupid decisions. It just helped keep their consequences from spreading to the healthy parts of the banking system.
Columbo
Columbo
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
The skeptic in me says, I don’t trust the “Chinese Wall” in the modern world.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Columbo
You can be skeptical but in the business violating the provisions of the Chinese Wall is the best and quickest way to get fired because not only do you come out as stupid but you become dangerous to associate with.
Columbo
Columbo
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Fair enough, but there’s a lot of stupid out there.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
And by now we all know that Fed prognostications are worthless as tits on a bore hog. Nobody except God almighty knows what’s going to happen. For all we know Russia will escalate with tactical nukes in the next 60-90 days while all hell breaks loose.
The French are now more aligned with China than what we “used to call” the USA. EVERYONE clamored about how isolated Trump made us on the world stage. As Mish says, that’s a hoot of the day. Joe Biden has long since one upped the orange haired guy in this regard.
It’s just beyond ironic that we went from a guy who basically ran his mouth too much & stretched the truth to a guy who literally can’t make ANY good policies. When Russia goes nuclear & China invades Taiwan, we’ll all be wishing like hell Trump was back in office or Jimmy Carter for that matter, God rest his soul. At least Trump either held people accountable or pissed them off so much that the quit. This Biden guy couldn’t hold the person accountable who cuts off his balls.
He’s a Trump national embarrassment X 1000.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Boars have nipples. The Supreme Being put them there, and we are not to question.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
God almighty does not know what is going to happen.
He/she/it is a curious sort.
That is why this experiment was started in the first place.
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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Orange man bad.
Old blind man worse.

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