Another Trump Executive Order backfires spectacularly. 
H-1B FAQ
Please consider the US Immigration Service H-1B FAQ
On Friday, Sept. 19, 2025, President Donald J. Trump signed a Proclamation, “Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers,” that took an important, initial, and incremental step to reform the H-1B visa program to curb abuses and protect American workers.
This Proclamation:
- Requires a $100,000 payment to accompany any new H-1B visa petitions submitted after 12:01 a.m. eastern daylight time on Sept. 21, 2025. This includes the 2026 lottery, and any other H-1B petitions submitted after 12:01 a.m. eastern daylight time on Sept. 21, 2025.
- Authorizes the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of State to coordinate to take all necessary and appropriate action to implement this Proclamation.
Alphabet Plots Big Expansion in India as US Restricts Visas
On February 3, 2026, Bloomber reported Alphabet Plots Big Expansion in India as US Restricts Visas
Alphabet Inc. is plotting to dramatically expand its presence in India, with the possibility of taking millions of square feet in new office space in Bangalore, India’s tech hub.
Google’s parent company has leased one office tower and purchased options on two others in Alembic City, a development in the Whitefield tech corridor, totaling 2.4 million square feet, according to people familiar with the deal. The first tower is expected to open to employees in the coming months, while construction on the remaining two is set to conclude next year.
Options in the real estate industry give would-be tenants the exclusive right to rent, or in some cases buy, a property at a predetermined price within a specific time frame. It’s also possible Alphabet will not exercise the option to use the additional towers.
If it does take all of the space, the complex could accommodate as many as 20,000 additional staff, which could more than double the company’s footprint in India, said the people, asking not to be identified because the plans aren’t public. Alphabet currently employs around 14,000 in the country, out of a global workforce of roughly 190,000.
Google rivals including OpenAI and Anthropic PBC have recently set up shop in the country, with Anthropic appointing former Microsoft Corp. executive Irina Ghose to lead its India operations in January. “India has a real opportunity to shape how AI is built and deployed at scale,” Ghose said at the time.
For US tech giants, India offers a strategic workaround to Washington’s tightening immigration regime. The Trump administration has moved to sharply hike the fees for H-1B work visas — potentially to $100,000 per application — making it harder for companies to bring Indian engineers to the US.
This shift is fueling the growth of so-called global capability centers, or technology hubs operated by multinational corporations across sectors from software and retail to finance. Many of these centers are now focused on building AI products and infrastructure. Nasscom, India’s IT industry trade group, estimates such centers will employ 2.5 million people by 2030, up from 1.9 million today.
Google is already a major player in this shift. Last year, it opened its largest campus in Bangalore, complete with indoor mini golf, pickle ball courts and cafeterias serving cardamom tea.
For AI giants like Alphabet, India’s appeal is not just its talent pool. Tens of millions of new internet users come online annually, becoming potential customers for chatbots and AI assistants, as well as trying out new AI coding tools.
The India headcount for the US tech giants Facebook, Amazon.com Inc., Apple Inc., Microsoft Corp., Netflix Inc. and Google collectively grew by 16% over the last 12 months, the biggest jump in a three-year period, according to talent solutions and staffing company, Xpheno Pvt.
Congratulations to Trump
Congratulations to Trump for creating as many as 600,000 jobs.
Well sort of. Those jobs are in India.
In October, Google had said it would invest $15 billion over five years to set up an artificial intelligence data center in India’s southern state of Andhra Pradesh, its biggest ever investment in the nation.
That’s $15 billion there, not here.
Q: What do we call this?
A: Winning, silly.
It’s not like we need workers here, spending money in the US.
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Proposition is that $100k fee is enough to cause a company to expand offshore operations.
AI says:
“As of February 2026, the average annual salary for a software engineer in California is approximately $145,500 to $155,000, with many reporting total compensation over $180,000 when including bonuses and equity. Top earners can exceed $200,000–$300,000+ annually, particularly in tech hubs like the Bay Area.”
and
“The average salary for a software engineer in India generally ranges between ₹7 lakhs and ₹15 lakhs per year, though it varies significantly by experience, location, and company. While junior engineers (0-2 years) may earn ₹4-8 lakhs, experienced professionals (5+ years) frequently make over ₹15-20 lakhs, with top salaries in high-paying firms often exceeding ₹30 lakhs.”
requiring a separate search to learn
15 lakhs is “16,540.71 United States Dollar”
So saving $200k-20k = 180k is motivated by the $100k?
Not even worth looking up real estate differences.
The headline is politics as an excuse for economics.
I’ve been in engineering for 30 years and I know the last few generations of US tech workers are in the same position today as rust belt auto workers were in in the 1990’s. If you believe any of 2 billion Asian kids can be as qualified as the Californian kid with a BS from Caltech, there is no sense in expanding in USA.
$100k is a big deal, but it would not be the number 1 reason to move.
It’s wild to think about how many of these revenue schemes like this one have backfired or will backfire. Spending in numbers the human mind can’t comprehend while revenue slows to a trickle of what it was? The amount of incompetence and obvious stupidity is staggering.
– Congratulations to Trump for creating as many as 600,000 jobs. > As part of the India Negotiations playing out.
– Well sort of. Those jobs are in India. > Yep!
– In October, Google had said it would invest $15 billion over five years in India’s southern state of Andh its biggest ever investment in the nation.> Yep!
– That’s $15 billion there, not here. > Exactly!
– Q: What do we call this? > Winning? Absolutely!!
– It’s not like we need workers here, spending money in the US.
> Well the deal that has been being worked on, by India and the U.S. looks to be starting to get implemented. The U.S. of course, gets $500 Billion in Purchases from India. So maybe quite a few jobs created perhaps, I’m guessing? Probably would lead to some serious spending I assume?
I liked the deal from the start, or what I have read on it and since as well. Of course some Tariff reductions, which we just did, were included (I think both sides?). All the details have not been released yet, but it looks like they are on their way. Is Gold Included is my biggest question I have yet to hear a final answer on…
I guess it was made official and announced this morning, around 11:00am
“In October, Google had said it would invest $15 billion over five years in India’s southern state of Andh”
Publically announced October 2025? They must have started researching options _at_least_ the night before.
Will the Donald offer a flip flop solution to the problem he created?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWGSfvumtxk
Corporatism is alive and well. Stronger than ever before. I say let all of big tech go to india. With all the growth came inflation. America is just a bunch of day traders and investors. We should be teaching our young how to make money without having to work for it.
The H-1B program is outright fraud, and this move by Google just goes to show that what these multi-national corporations are all about is what Americans aptly call “making money”. Arbitrage, arbitrage, arbitrage; regardless.
A little like Standard Oil and IBM getting State awards from the Third Reich to celebrate their contribution.
While you’re at it, read about the origins of the Google search engine and CIA cronyism funding the “private-public” venture.
Public Sector makes people strong.Private sector / PPP make the Oligarchs strong.Lobbying the Congress in US is very dangerous for its Citizens.
I have to disagree with you on this one Mish. Do not bring more people here to fill jobs that Americans are qualified to fill. I have several friends laid off from Microsoft and the past year because Microsoft can hire a cheaper H1B. That’s precisely why they lost their jobs. It had nothing to do with not being able to find people to fill these jobs. It’s the same with Google. It’s the same with Disney. It’s the same with a lot of large corporations. They can get much cheaper labor with an H1B. Time to shut that fraudulent program down. I have to admit as others point out there’s probably some other issues with environmental regulations that played a role as well. Please outsource to India as opposed to bringing Indians here to undercut American wages.
There is only one film I am going to make sure I view this year. MELANIA. Not a joke. The best film of 2025 was “the apprentice”. I did watch “there will be blood” again, best film of the 21st century imho. I watch about 100 to 150 quality films per annum. Life on 3rd base for life
There are barely 10 quality films a year, unless … your taste… is … shite?
criterion. lots of naitons and many decades of films little fella.
disney dumbfuck amerikan answer. thanks for making my morning complete. hat tip asshole. i block assholes. good luck in life
I worked at Google several years ago. Sundar came out in 2024 in a company meeting and stated all growth would be in India. This has little to do with trump.
Indians only hire other Indians, this has played out in several places where I either worked or did consulting. Since they are not European white, they are allowed to have a racial preference when hiring.
Absolutely true. Saw this in one of my large.clients in Princeton,.NJ. They hired and Indian department head. Every new hire afterwards was Indian.
this is still 100x preferable to bringing a bunch of people over here while keeping the rest of us unemployed
Great! You native-born useless moron.
“It’s not like we need workers here, spending money in the US.”
Correct Mish. We don’t.
We need Americans working here in the US.
You skip over that, because its all just an economy to you. WEll at least at the moment.
If YOU ever had to live in India, I’m sure that would change.
“We need
Americanswhite people working here in the US.”There, fixed it for you. I for one am glad that Mish is finally having to confront who part of his reader base really is.
I took me a long time to finally realize that a good chunk (not all) of the people in the Libertarian movement that I used to consider myself part of are actually closeted Nazis and racists.
ha ha ha. these are morons. racists are mostly morons. though i’ve met some quite intelligent folks who are morons. they just have NO wisdom. the true rare earth element.
i’ve been a libertarian for decades. i always knew many were nazis. i can smell them. i grew up with a father who guarded nazis in the war. i knew some literal nazis growing up. became friends with an old luftwaffen pilot nazi who had disavowed his youthful brainwashing in his old age. both his sons attended us air force academy. discussions with that old codger were profound and insightful. he taught me a great deal. about 20 years ago
It should have been a Million Dollars to import a worker, plus a quarter million dollars a year minimum wage. Lots of bright American kids graduating from college should get these jobs.
ALL the bright American kids are getting these jobs. They are at the very front of the line. There just aren’t enough of them. Not to meet the MASSIVE demand for highly intelligent and creative people these tech giants have.
What is left are emotionally stunted, underkilled and entitled little shits that the tech giants have no use for.
aye aye. every bright amerikan kid i know, which is tons, have no problem getting highly paid or highly rewarding tasks to do in this country of task rabbits. btw, that website is fucking great. saved my ass 5 years ago when my packers didn’t show up the day before moving truck was coming.
There are very few bright American kids graduating college. That’s why they can’t get jobs. The education system in the US id deplorable.
I do not think the $100,000 fee had much to do with the decision as it is a drop in the bucket cost factor given everything else to build the facility. Building the facility here would subject the entire operation to the whims of Trump. He might grant visas, then retract them because he did not like something said by an executive, something not designed and built that he wants, or some other minor issue that irritates him. TACO might get involved in a power allocation contract from the country’s limited supply that he doesn’t honor or permit he fast tracks only to abandon (He killed any desire for Canada to fill Keystone Pipeline with tariffs). Then there is the not so talented up and coming labor pool in the US, high school trained about gender reversal and video games but not able to read, write or do math upon graduation only to enter college where for many, political indoctrination has priority over STEM degrees. Then there is our eminent fiscal mess, building a big factory is building a big fat taxation target for politicians when they figure out they have to do something and that something does not include reductions in vote buying.
Or Trump might decide to arrest and deport the workers – like he did to the Korean workers in Georgia.
I think the corp. world paid close attention to that incident.
Yes, he can and might cancel their work visas at any time, for any reason, without warning.
Or he might put in place a broad and wide Muslim ban, like he did during his first term.
Or he might pause indefinitely the processing of their residency VISA after they move here, just like he did a few weeks ago with applicants from over 70 countries.
It is just not worth the risk when dealing with highly talented workers. Easier to have them work in India or in Singapore.
TRUMP like his voters are cunts.
His voters aren’t cunts, they are just stupid…..they graduated with 4.0 for US colleges.
AMERIKANS AND THEIR POLITICIANS ARE VILE. MAGA AND GENOCIDE JOE VOTERS ALIKE. CRUMBLING EVIL EMPIRE 101
98% of amerikans are nihilists. the D and R voters. the libertarians and greens alright. nihilists elect themselves. trump biden trump obama bush and clinton crime families…………democracy always works. hat tip plato and the republic. 98% of amerikans are cunts. nihilists are all cunts. this is like H20 is always water.
This just sounds like a rehash of the old “Indian call center” trend, from 20 yrs ago.
At last, seems like good news for everyone.
3.14159265-D chess! ♟️
Sure they did it to save money. However considering the warm welcome people of different origins and skin shades and ICE parties in their communities who from India would want to come to USA, anyway. Maybe it is tough to get new talent to come to USA.
It takes a brave brown man to move to America in 2026.
Ok now where are the maga jobs anybody…
Down at the convenience store and titty bar…
now now. titty bar dancers are essential workers when the shit hits the fan………like truck drivers, nurses, farm workers and box boys at grocery stores…….
Speaking of India. I wonder if anyone at Google has read this article? [lol]:
Yup. The more I play with AI the more I realize the high paying tech industry jobs are going to become the next fast food service job. It won’t happen this year or next year but the writing is on the wall. It seems so many things are coalescing into the 2030 year range that I think that’s when the shoes will drops across the board.
This is AMAZING! Too many do not understand how fast the advances are coming in AI.
while impressive, this is a pretty narrow, clearly defined application that has been built in thousands of flavors already.
When it can tease what people actually want out of what they tell you iterate on that, and provide a satisfactory product, I’ll be a believer.
I keep reminding you to check back in a couple of years.
And one more:
As a software engineer who has been using AI in my work since last year, it’s like having a couple of junior engineers under me. As to junior engineers, I have to tell AI what to do and which approaches to pursue, and then to point out to it where the code has to be improved and to reel it back from rabbit holes. Still, AI contributes a lot to productivity, just not to creativity.
Also, one has to be an experienced engineer to lead a couple of junior engineers. Since I didn’t hire a couple of junior engineers out of school to work for me, I have no idea where experienced engineers will come from to drive AI. To be honest, at the cusp of retirement, I couldn’t care less.
I retired a few yrs ago, but I am still doing bank recs for my former employer – they can’t find an automated solution.
YET.
For problem-solving, they’d have to get a highly customized bot.
That’d be beyond the budgets of many employers.
Did you ever build that app?
I have built a few apps. I built an app that helps me find optimum option trades given certain parameters and it is working great. I have executed a few trades and made money based on the recommendation.
It saves a ton of time which is the best benefit.
would you like that meal, supersized MPO ? me, a 65 year old fx and stock trader for 50 years. yea, i started as a teen. i also did tech in 80s. AI even. i’m a good gambler and own a fuck ton of gold, if i could remember where i buried it. now i’m working the night shift at MCD
former Google employee here (left in 2023).
Alphabet has outsourced much of the high volume, repetitive, low skilled IT and customer support work to BPO companies such as Aegis and Teleperformance long ago. These are the jobs that will be replaced by AI.
The jobs that Google will grow in India are high skilled software development work that used to be done in the US by talent they attracted from India. They are also expanding those operations in Singapore, Ireland and Switzerland, because it is easier to secure VISA for their international high skilled hires in these places than it is in the USA.
Overall it is a huge loss for the USA.
sounds about right. thanks for insightes. i was doing AI with remotesensing satellite landsat data in 1980s……with NASA, so glad i didn’t take those jobs with CIA and what is now NSA . also did GIS and computer cartography and AI, helping the political hacks for NYS gerrymandering task force. 1980s. i went to wall street, down broadway a few blocks. more challenging and way more fun. gambling.
Yes, there is a lot of job creation in Asia, seems like that’s the place to be these days 😉
Meanwhile, Trump is busy posting racist videos of the Obamas…..I guess this is the new strategy to woo more racist voters.
https://www.cnn.com/2026/02/06/politics/donald-trump-obamas-apes-truth-social
Got exit strategy?
my small city had a nice protest last friday at city hall. not one policeman. i think it is going to depend what state and city and county one inhabits. in any country. go read little women or watch the film. us civil war, in new england was no big whoop.
The recent film, with Emily Watson & Maya Hawke – is exceptionally good.
Mostly British cast, but their American accents & mannerisms are perfect.
Why is it so hard to educate a sufficient supply of talent for the needs of American companies?
Would not a glut of talented and schooled (even self-taught) young emerging adults solve all our problems and eliminate the need for foreign workers?
And, as we need foreign workers, why is it so hard to “manage” the immigration (at any level needed) of talented, skilled, and desirable foreign talent? (Desirable being defined as capable and committed to both performance and appreciative of American culture and laws.)
I suppose this is a naive question, but I think the answers to my questions set a floor of understanding what the real problem we are dealing with is.
Labor of any kind is simply far too expensive in the USA.
So are you saying we need cheaper labor to replace our costlier labor? Our approach in the 80s was to accept companies sending their product manufacturing oversees. Actually, I wonder how much subsidies affect people reluctance to work. My wife’s daughter is able to work but refuses as she would have to give up her unneeded disability. (of course, she says she needs it and can’t find work due to her injury. I don’t believe her).
Trump’s government is cracking down seriously on fraud. Hopefully, they catch up with your wife’s daughter if she isn’t truly disabled.
My children graduated with STEM degrees at a major state university. The line at the graduation ceremony for the College of Sciences was about a hundred kids long. The line for the School of Liberal Arts was several blocks long and turned a corner. That’s why there’s a glut of burger flippers and a dearth of engineers.
Engineering is hard..
no it is NOT. physics is difficult. many liberal arts classes are difficult, too.
disagree. the past 40 years has been the finance and creative groups of people who rule over the stem degrees. steve jobs to jamie dimon. many just drop out and build and create. creating is creative. they hire the engineers from around the globe. i know a ton of liberal arts majors from columbia university, ages 25 to 65……. all gainfully employed contributing to society. the mba grads from there seem to rule the world, in decision making functions in many countries………….same ages. the state u systems are for sure different. i have been a student for 45 plus years. raised kids who graduated ivy and state u, too. this is rich world problems as we say.
The top 1% smartest people in the US is about 3.4 million.
The top 1% smartest people in India is about 15 million.
It is just a matter of scale and availability. Companies like Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Meta, and Nvidia don’t hire “bodies” that are just “good enough”, they hire the very top.
these people on this blog are many small thinkers, brain washed and lazy minds from the life of a rich world inhabitant……never any reason to think, much. some deep thinkers, like mish and some other posters………….imho
lots of self absorbed nihilists, too. me, my and money is as far as they think……….it’s the boomer way in pax dumbfuckistan. the poors to the billionaires…….
Will this spark inflation increase in India? Google’s high salaries in Silicon Valley was/is one of the contributors to the high prices of real estate and rentals from SF down to the Santa Clara valley.
The corollary is whether this will spark deflation in California.
One can hope. But the coming AI economy is going to spark serious deflation before the concept of money is erased and neither inflation or deflation will exist any longer.
Why? The call centers didn’t.
Probably, a good business decision for shareholders. Anything that is indifference to taco is a good move.
Time to tax 1’s and 0’s crossing the border.
Since India has over a billion people, Google will then cease operations in the US and focus where the economic environment is more developed.
Very one-sided presentation by Mish as usual regarding immigration policies. Mish refuses to present balanced presentations of complex immigration issues.
The H-1B visa was created to address labor shortages in the US. They were not created to facilitate replacement of US labor for foreign labor. Even a casual reading would reveal the incredible abuses of the H-1B visa for information technology employment and perhaps other areas. Information technology employment dominates H-1B hiring so even if other areas (such as medicine) have labor shortages, overall, H-1B does not. Universities are exempt from most H-1B restrictions so top talent at the doctoral level is largely unaffected by H-1B restrictions.
The H-1B and associated programs such as OPT have facilitated large scale replacement of US labor with foreign labor especially in information technology. I have witnessed this replacement for 20 to 25 years in information technology. My information technology classes became 90 to 95% international students. My colleagues reported similar phenomenon in other universities. The OPT and H-1B gaming policies facilitated this labor situation with employers provided subsidies to hire foreign labor. Employers do not pay payroll taxes for OPT hires, a 14% direct subsidy. US job seekers and students knew the realities of the labor market well. US Universities benefit also from lucrative non resident tuition paid by international students.
H-1B employment in information technology largely involves garden-level skills, not advanced skills. I personally witnessed the quality of Indian IT students over many years. There is good quality at the top but average quality beyond the top. The amount of academic dishonesty was rampant by the level of students beneath the top tier. My colleagues also witnessed the same issues with one Indian colleague from another university telling me about her shock and disgust with academic dishonesty violations.
Many US companies learned that hiring in India is not enough to reduce information technology labor costs. These companies learned that they needed an active pipeline to facilitate the reduced labor costs of foreign labor. The H1-B, OPT, and L-1 visas facilitated this need. Setting up centers in other countries will leave a large hole for the active pipeline. US companies have a long-standing tradition to create technology centers abroad especially since international sales of their products justify this investment. The H-1B restrictions in information technology will balance employment practices, not replace US workers. The real threat to US technology workers is AI and a relenless drive to efficiency in white collar work.
What is one-sided about the Truth?
I posted what Trump did.
I stated the corporate reaction.
What is one-sided about that other than your twisted mind?
Make India Great Again MIGA and destroy jobs here USA another disaster
You omitted the glaring flaws in the H-1B program and any mention of complex issues in immigration policies. Tech companies have been building centers in other countries for many decades.
So you object to foreigners working in the USA because they replace American talent, but you were happy to get paid to teach them as they priced out American students from those classes?
We saddled the kids with massive student debt, educating liberal arts degrees.
Now we demand Corporations pay STEM salaries to liberal arts grads, and train them with STEM education while we enjoy a life style afforded by student loans for the liberal arts degrees!
I guess Corporations are moving where talent is competitive.
Forgiving student loans would perhaps make our grads more competitive. But forgiving student loans is “socialism” as it will probably bankrupt all the universities.
I do not set immigration policies. I do not set university policies about admission of international students. I provide instruction equally to everyone in my courses.
You did not describe any Usonian being replaced by a foreigner, just foreigners signing up for engineering classes, which the locals declined to pursue liberal arts degrees because they flunked English, Math and Sciences.
The decline in US student enrollment is a direct result of immigration policies. US students can read employer bias and market distortions. Plenty of evidence about US IT workers being replaced by lower priced international workers (primarily Indian) due to visa policies.
Is that why US students, millennials and zoomers, are entitled pricks, because that’s exactly what employers are looking for?
Blah blah blah facts google leaving the us is not a good sign regardless on how you dressed it….
Google is free to make employment decisions. I understand that about 50% of Google employment is in the US now. How does allowing Google to hire garden-level foreign workers in the US at a substantial discount contribute to US interests? Perhaps the US should provide incentives to US hiring although these incentives can probably be gamed. Labor arbitrage is a reality. I would like to provide incentives (not subsidies) to improve US training and employment.
Usonian youths are unteachable, as can be noticed by their manners at a mall near you.
And just like the offshoring of chips and other tech in China, Google and other firms will lay the groundwork for building Indian infrastructure to compete against the US down the road.
That’s because to YOU, you have separated the world between “us” and “them” and to Google, they don’t see it that way. What they see is what I see, a planet with 8 billion people on it that could all benefit from google services and make a nice profit.
Most businesses on the S&P 500 get half of their revenue from the rest of the world and that includes Latin America, Europe, Asia, Middle East and Australia. We just had a post about farmers whining that the rest of the world isn’t buying our crops and we’re all supposed to feel sorry for them but that’s exactly the result of stupid policies.
Google isn’t competing against the US, they recognize it’s a tiny market of 340 million people, 80 million of which are old people that probably don’t use their services.
I would ask what you would do if you were CEO of Google but that’s a fantasy that will never happen with your thinking.
Well, the CEO of Google IS Indian. Just saying…
And one of its two founders was born in Russia. One of the historical strengths of the US has been its ability to attract many of the best and brightest from around the world.
all these bozos and hate mongers never just think to start their own company and move from the misery of where they live in the usa……….3rd base mentality. just bitch and moan. hat tip to the Apprentice teeeveee star
Dell has been using help desk people in India for years. They are a major reason that I buy a Dell computer when it is time for a new computer.
So you are posting that you are buying Dell to support your countrymen?
I am buying Dell because of its good after the sales service at an affordable price.
Having owned a couple of Dell computers in the past, I would disagree strongly.
My first home computer was an IBM PC. I bought it in 1984. It was probably assembled in Florida. When I called the company for some assistance with their product, they blew me off. IBM got out of the PC business years ago, even though they were responsible for the rapid spread of home computers beyond hobbyists. I have been using Dell computers since 1998. Their help desk in India has been a real plus and it has come at an affordable price.
So, you’re like 100 years old. I can see why you embrace Dell computers. [lol]
That’s less pressure on the housing supply. Also less road traffic.
I have homes in 2 countries and in one (Sydney) the number of Indians and others moving in has made housing unaffordable (typical house in a working class suburb is a million USD) and in the other (Cairo) I can hire an English speaking uni graduate for 400 USD a month. So it makes sense for most corporations to move such jobs from expensive locations (Sydney, Silicon Valley etc) to much cheaper locations (Cairo, Bangalore etc). All Trump is doing is speeding the inevitable up.
I GET IT. i was in russia in 1990s, when ussr collapsed. i personally prefer open borders and less central planning from the likes of you or the donald or stalin or whoever. freedom is the answer, what is the question?
As Uncle Milty said, you can have open borders or a welfare state, but not both. And the US will never give up its welfare state (public schools, SNAP, Medicaid, SSDI, EMTALA, etc.) not to mention welfare for the elderly (Social Security, Medicaid).
You’re finally starting to make sense. I will get on the 100% anti-immigrant bandwagon if everyone agrees to cut 100% of social programs.
This is why every administration “attempts” to get “tough” on immigration and it never actually happens, just a circus performance show to entertain the morons.
There is supposed to be a 700 draw down of ICE in Minnesota, gee who easily predicted that show….and that’s how the whole “roundup” circus ends and in a few years, the gates open again…..rinse and repeat.
The gates open again because of idiotic articles like the one below, where the pundits refuse to accept that AI is changing the economic world such that TOMORROW WILL NOT BE THE SAME AS YESTERDAY. “A country’s population is an essential element of its economic mass.” is old thinking. We won’t be needing more bodis to work more hours earning more $$$ paying more taxes so government can expand its reach and run up ever increasing deficits.
As I keep posting, once AI/robots take over most (eventually all) of the jobs that humans hold now while working 24×7 without complaint, they will be able to produce everything humans need in unlimited abundance. In this future, there will be no need for money, stock markets, economic statistics, etc. Whatever is needed will be created/provided for free. It’s only logical!
the pieces that you keep missing are the following:
You seem to leave out all the “bad” human behavior in your posts and the reality is that no matter what tools humans create they are used to amplify the best and worst of humanity.
What will happen is what has always happened, 80% of the robots and work free luxury life will go to the top 20% of the population. You will likely get nothing!
The Chinese invented fireworks to be used for displaying light in the sky, then someone got the idea of using it to blow up stuff. Take that simple invention and think of the possibilities.
ha ha ha. you are a wise man or woman.
As I keep reminding you and others, fusion power is close to being commercially available. That solves all the energy problems. Until then, regular nuke power plants can be built. And there is still plenty of oil. Speaking of which, all this hairpulling about not enough energy reminds me of people complaining about peak oil a couple of decades ago.
So why does every human need a robot? What am I missing? But even if they did, there is more than enough materials to build as many robots as are needed.
When AI/robot takes over, and I believe that it will initially be not through force but because people actually ELECT an AI because they are sick and tired of the usual political farce, then humans will be marginalized. We will have no place in the day-to-day business of making everything run. AI/robots will update themselves and maintain themselves.
Robot police will ensure that humans do not get out of hand.
The benevolence of the AI(s)is what will support the human population, until perhaps the AI(s) decided that the vast majority of humans produce nothing much of value, whereupon they will start instituting mandatory birth control because MORE humans will not be needed.
You exhibit the same limited imagination and vision that I mentioned above. Sorry but again “tomorrow is not going to be like today”.
All your exit BS and asset accumulation s going to be worthless when money disappears. You will be no better off than everyone else in the world, no matter where you have “exited” to.
“ As I keep reminding you and others, fusion power is close to being commercially available.”
Nope. As I keep telling you:
Fusion power is not close at all.
“ Until then, regular nuke power plants can be built.”
Nope. We are not building any of those right now. And even if we started today, it would take 15 years to build one. Conventional nuclear is one of the most expensive sources of energy. Which is why we aren’t building any of them.
SMRs are also too expensive. Which is why we haven’t commercialized them after 60 years of trying.
“ And there is still plenty of oil.”
We do not use oil to generate electricity because it is too expensive. We use natural gas. 43% of our electricity comes from natural gas.
As we electrify more and more of our economy, it’s all about generating more electricity. And it won’t come from nuclear or oil.
Not sure whether you’re making a point using sarcasm.
The whole point of power & wealth is to have other people at your beck & call. If everyone were a millionaire, who would wait on your table, porter your luggage at the hotel, or cater to your whims and “needs”, not to mention the gardener, plumber, and cleaning staff?
It’s not about getting anything done. The pecking order is what it’s all about, or should it be pecker order.
[lol] I’m making a point. Your possible sarcasm succinctly represents that large majority of people who are crapping bricks that their decades long drive to become as wealthy as possible, and gain as much power as possible is going to be undermined by an AI run world where money doesn’t exist and everyone is treated exactly the same.
like the operation wetback by that twat IKE. this won’t last. the borders have been open for 400 years. ike also flipped the persian election for our puppet evil doer, the shah. he was a real asshole. trump is the biggest asshole we’ve had though. he is truly like the modern boomer man in pax dumbfuckistan. biden too. democrzcy works.
Nonsense. Just restrict welfare to the citizens, like Switzerland does. That’s not rocket science.
US born children of illegals are entitled to government benefits and I don’t expect that to change.
It won’t – 99.9% likely
of course that is correct. with one refinement. per ron paul and many others, if you shut down the world wide imperial MICC and just guard our borders the amount of savings could supply free lunches and snap and SS….. forever……..with the amount of wealthy in this country. if you just did sales tax and r/e tax…….the paper work of inhabitants of usa would not matter much. this is all masturbation as the empire is crumbling. we will have do overs in the 50 state solution. some states will be different from others per these issues.
I’m all for freedom. My sister and her husband moved to the US for a few years in the 1990s on such a visa for their IT skills. Difference however is that they had certain skills that were in short supply and the numbers of such visas were limited. Now however the imported labour is mostly just a cost cutting method and instead of boosting your talent pool it’s degrading it as instead of training US workers like my brother in law did its now just replacing US workers.
And open borders sounds nice in theory but at you willing to work for $10 a day? Are you ok if the large influx of an open border means a 20% or higher unemployment rate with no welfare?
Better to have the other countries keep their talent pool and develop their own tech sectors and grow economically. That has benefits such as reducing illegals leaving for the US
canada and australia have twice the percentage of immigrants compared to USA. if you want to be the central planner with all the answers of type of workers we need, god bless you. you know spain has done it twice in the past 20 years, opening up borders to spanish speaking young immigrants to help with their work force and welfare for old geezers…………i’m personally not afraid of opening up the borders. the more the merrier. i’ve lived in mexican hoods in AZ and all sorts of hoods in brooklyn. arab hoods, caribbean hoods, even italian and russian jew hoods. i found that my life on 3rd base has been fine. if you were born in amerika in the past 80 years, YOU were born on 3rd base. don’t give a hoot which city or state. you were a short bus ride to nice neighborhoods if people scare you. peace baby
Thats income that wont trickle into the us economy and loss of taxes.
This is, in fact, an appropriate response and how businesses respond to market challenges: they seek cost-effective, competitive solutions.
love it. let’s crash this crumbling evil empire sooner than later. look at the rantings of a lunatic gold bug crackpot. our sec of treasury. maybe the sec of war and state will chime in, too. peace, TT. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2026/02/06/hugely-important-bessent-issues-surprise-warning-that-could-be-about-to-trigger-a-gold-and-bitcoin-price-shock/