Trump has a mandate on the border and to deport criminals. What else? Then what?
Trump’s Mass Deportation Promise
Let’s discuss the WSJ article Trump’s Mass Deportation Promise. My comments are in square brackets. Emphasis also mine.
Donald Trump won a second term in the White House by pledging to secure the U.S.-Mexico border, and that includes sending a clear deterrent message to migrants before he’s sworn in again on Jan. 20. Last week a caravan of about 3,000 people set out toward the U.S. from near the Guatemala border, according to Reuters, but many of them dispersed after Mr. Trump’s victory. [And that’s a major victory for Trump right off the bat]
Mr. Trump announced late Sunday that Tom Homan, his former acting head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, has agreed to be his new border czar. Mr. Homan will be “in charge of our Nation’s Borders,” plus “all Deportation of Illegal Aliens back to their Country of Origin,” Mr. Trump wrote on Truth Social. Media leaks Monday said Stephen Miller, who advised Mr. Trump on immigration policy in the first term, is likely to be White House deputy chief of staff for policy.
In short order, Mr. Trump will move to reinstate the border policies of his first term, such as Remain in Mexico, which seemed to work. Under that deal, migrants claiming asylum in the U.S. were sent back to Mexico while their cases were pending, which might take months or more. The idea was to break the incentives to game the system. Given the backlog of asylum cases, letting migrants into the U.S. while they wait is an enticement to come. [Another victory]
The political rub may be Mr. Trump’s campaign promise to conduct “the largest deportation operation in the history of our country.” How it goes depends on what Mr. Trump means. Speaking Monday on Fox News, Mr. Homan said the priority will be “public-safety threats and national-security threats,” as well as migrants who “had due process” and “their federal judge said ‘you must go home,’ and they didn’t.” [Again no disagreement]
And add what Mr. Homan told “60 Minutes” last month. “It’s not going to be a mass sweep of neighborhoods,” he said. “It’s not going to be building concentration camps. I’ve read it all. It’s ridiculous.” [Bingo! a mass sweep is not the right idea]
Instead he said Mr. Trump’s plan would involve “targeted arrests,” and eventually “worksite enforcement operations.” If officers making an arrest also find an undocumented grandma in the house, will they detain her? “It depends,” Mr. Homan said. “Let the judge decide.” [I 100% endorse targeted arrests. As for workforce arrests, I think we need to discuss. If someone has been here a while, with a job, and are productive members of society, it would be idiotic to send them home unless the goal is more inflation and workforce shortages]
When he visited the Journal recently, we asked about aliens who have been here for years, who might have U.S. citizen spouses and children. His response was that he wanted to help them.
“We have a lot of good people in this country, and we have to do something about it,” Mr. Trump said. “This has been going on for a long time. It’s a complicated subject.” He declined to specify whom he’d deport: “I don’t want to go too much into clarification, because the nicer I become, the more people that come over illegally.” Yet after stringent talk about deterrence, he ended with nuance: “There are some human questions that get in the way of being perfect, and we have to have the heart, too.” [This is a more pragmatic, rational Trump, and I hope we see more of this.]
Even as Mr. Biden’s failures turned the public against immigration, Gallup this summer said 81% of Americans want a path to citizenship for those “brought to the U.S. illegally as children.” That included 64% of Republicans. [I side with the majority]
[The WSJ concludes, and I agree] Mr. Trump can do much on immigration by executive action, but a durable solution needs legislation. Maybe Democrats, after the electoral haymaker they got last week, will be willing to compromise more than they have in the past. Mr. Trump missed a chance for a bipartisan deal in 2018 to permanently change the border incentives on asylum and more. He’ll have a narrow window again next year, if he’s willing and has the heart.
The New Home for Hispanics is the Republican Party
On November 7, I reported The New Home for Hispanics is the Republican Party
Please click on the above link and play the PBS video interview of Republican Florida rep. Maria Salazar on Hispanics, Trump, and deportations.
She is author of the The Dignity Act
Here’s The Dignity Act Bill Summary
Rep. Maria Elvira Salazar (R-Florida) introduced the Dignity Act (H.R. 3599) in the U.S. House of Representatives on May 23, 2023, a bipartisan effort to strengthen border security in the United States, provide undocumented individuals with an opportunity to obtain legal status if they meet certain requirements, and update aspects of the U.S. legal immigration system. Additional co-sponsors include Reps. Veronica Escobar (D-Texas), Lori Chavez-DeRemer (R-Oregon), Mike Lawler (R-New York), and Jennifer Gonzalez-Colon (R-Puerto Rico).
This bipartisan effort comes as new polling indicates that more than 4 in 5 Americans – including 80 percent of Republican registered voters – support Republicans and Democrats working together on immigration reforms that address labor shortages and inflation, and protect people already in the U.S. and contributing to their communities. During the rollout of the legislation, Rep. Salazar indicated that the bill is intended to follow the biblical principles of Dignity and Redemption. The bill also aims to focus on modernizing America’s immigration system to meet the country’s economic needs and to do so in a manner that supports American workers. The bill’s title stands for ‘‘Dignity for Immigrants while Guarding our Nation to Ignite and Deliver the American Dream Act of 2023’’ or the ‘‘DIGNIDAD (Dignity) Act of 2023.’’
The bill requires the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to deploy physical barriers, tactical infrastructure, technology, and personnel along the border where it is most effective. Specifically, it authorizes at least $35 billion in funding to enhance and improve infrastructure and technology between and at ports of entry. It also reforms the U.S. asylum system to make a final determination of asylum eligibility for most asylum seekers at the border within 60 days.
- Initial Screening (First 15 Days). Under the bill, migrants would receive a 72-hour rest period. After that, HC staff would provide an initial screening within 15 days. Staff will conduct criminal background checks, analyze biometric data, verify identification, conduct medical assessments, screen for human trafficking victims, and perform an initial credible fear interview.
- Migrants unable to establish a credible fear during an initial screening are subject to expedited removal from the U.S.
The bill incorporates a version of the Dream Act, which allows young undocumented immigrants who were brought to the U.S. as children and have lived in the U.S. for most of their lives to obtain legal status. This section could allow up to 1.9 million Dreamers, including the roughly 600,000 DACA recipients, to live and work in the U.S.
I endorse the Dignity Act. It is exceptionally balanced, well thought out, and bipartisan. But it’s not what Trump promised.
Fortunately, it’s how Trump sounds now.
Thank you Florida rep. Maria Salazar. She strongly supports Trump.
Some of us (very few it seems) are willing to praise actions we like, and pan actions we don’t.
Others (sadly the majority) trash people instead of ideas and will vilify (as the Democrats are doing now) everyone who is not totally on board.
Look no further than Trump and some of his glowing appointments now.
The left tells their followers to disown family who supports Trump. It’s all projection. They are the party of hate. It’s not forever. They could change. But they’ve lost their way and it seemingly is getting worse
Exhibit A
Exactly. The Democrats epitomise misanthropy, despair, and fear.
Trump epitomises resilience, redemption, and hope.
Dems reminds me of another movie where the main character was born with a heart 4 sizes too small….But in the end he found his way.
The illusion is working it’s magic , walls draining swamps continue please.
Calm down. It doesn’t sound like he voted for Biden. You misread it, plus Biden’s old, fired, and since he unfortunately won’t be imprisoned for his crimes and vast corruption why dwell on him with such bitterness?
He is now banned
When we have family get-togethers, we never talk politics. I don’t understand why people would.
Anyone advocating disowning family over political views is in a fascist cult.
Gee, I dunno. I’m looking at the photo of Tom Homan, With a name like ‘Homan’, is there a word play on ‘woman’?. Maybe a transgendered woman? Or maybe another gender thing? Ho-man?? I’m so confused. This is rated /sarc in case it’s not clear.
Tom Homan advocates separating children from parents when they illegally cross the border as a way of reducing illegal immigration!!!!
I know it seems like cruel and unusual punishment. However, when you think about it, what greater incentive to bring your kids (or someone else’s) with you when you illegally enter the US–they’ll keep you out of prison. And you can always sell them for cash once you’ve received your Biden pass, credit card, air tickets, rent coupons, etc.
You see mish the consequences of ideas is what we talking about and using labels is not halal or kosher if you wish.
Trust me. I’ll pan Dems like Brandon & Comrade Kamala all day long.
And, I will pan Trump as well, if he doesn’t follow through on MAGA.
America is at a reckoning. We’re either going to find a way through the illegal immigration mind field or be blown up by it. It’s that simple.
The same thing can be said all day long about China. Like you say, we need to produce more strategic goods.
Trump is either going to turn the ship or at least meaningfully start the turn, or we’re in for a very rude awakening over the next 10-15 years.
Disney should boost their business by giving a lifetime pass to anyone who sneaks in.
interesting topic!
Mish, you’re wrong. The fastest way to bring down inflation is to bring down the cost of shelter. Deporting 10 million aliens would dramatically bring down shelter costs, due to domino effects, if nothing else.
Some questions that will have to be answered: how does a federal immigration officer find illegal immigrants? How do they know, for certain, they are an illegal immigrant? How do they know what country they came from? You can’t just deport Venezuelans to Mexico, they aren’t Mexican. There is no law that requires an American citizen be able to provide proof of citizenship when asked. Millions of Americans don’t have driver’s licenses and/or Social Security cards. The idea of finding 20 million people, determining for a fact that they are illegal and shipping them back to their country of origin will be extremely complex and expensive.
If an illegal needs ID to get a drivers licence or car rego, an SS number for employment or ID to enrol their children in school then they will stick out as illegals when the police or other officials run into them. They get pulled over and can’t show a licence then they are detained, then a simple investigation might find where they live and/or work which will bag other illegals. Then those who knowingly rented a house to them or employed them are subject to heavy fines as well as a tax audit as well as serious prison time for the worst offenders. Those fines and audits will rake in millions if not billions but more to the point will make most people not risk renting to or employing illegals and that alone will encourage illegals to either self deport or to try and obtain lawful residence.
You’d have to pass laws making it illegal to provide employment for illegals or provide them with housing. But that would have a negative impact on employers and home owners. Florida has an employment law, though it isn’t enforced.
Yep Mish, buying what the FAKE MSM claiming what somebody says???
Especially 60 minutes who has been CAUGHT, “EDITING” interviews!!!
How ugly will the deportation get? Well, how ugly is the planned mass invasion? It’s already ugly. Criminals, terrorists, and the insane. How ugly will it be if we don’t deport them?
Therefore, everytime a pro illegal immigration President is elected(in 2028), NO resistance to millions of illegal immigration will occur.
The problem will remain forever, albeit the next four years may see say 100,000 illegal crossings per year instead of 2 million.
The wall is the only permanent solution, if we can keep it.
The wall works as long as you don’t have ladders.
Another month before action can start.
However Trump id dedicated to close the border, **AGAIN**, and Homan is going to clean out the illegals especially the criminals, MS-13 for4 example.
Deportations will have to be swift and sure at the beginning to show that America is not fooling around.
Has the administration considered what illegals will do if they run away from authorities and flee to a church, claiming sanctuary (there are lots of Catholics in the illegals here now).
Also, would a national ‘hotline’ be helpful so citizens could rat out illegals where they find them, either on worksites, restaurants and bars, slumming, etc. Many citizens are willing to help out if we’re asked.
Many citizens will rat out illegal co-workers as those illegals are taking jobs, suppressing wages and willing to forgo employment safety standards. An ICE raid will mean the greedy employers will now be short staffed and will have to offer better wages, more overtime and better conditions as competition for legal workers will intensify.
Should be an “interesting” spectacle with more to come.
I’m pretty close to your position. I would caveat it with the idea that there are many tax scams where the same children have 8 or 9 social security numbers and are dependents on 8 or 9 tax returns. This, and under that table work, are potential issues. But if they made me emperor, I would definitely send home all who have committed crimes (violent crimes first) … and I would offer $0 in federal funds for illegal aliens. Many cities and states have already said that they will remain sanctuaries … their virtue signalling will just have to be on their own dime.
Even though I’m not a fan of Trump personally(was planning to vote for RFK Jr) I am finally beginning to appreciate his MO. He takes extreme positions to both get media attention and set a position to negotiate from giving himself a lot of negotiating room.
I used to think Trump was the world’s biggest bullshitter.
Now I realize unlike most of our oligarchs he does have a pretty good understanding of working class sentiment and is building out the Republican Party tent to include us. We don’t want a handout, we want good jobs, reasonably priced food, housing, and medical care. And we don’t need someone to tell us how to think.
Agree — still IS the world’s biggest BS’er! Yes, it gives negotiating room.
He won and spent $350M vs Kam’s $1000M … he gets headlines every night from eating pets to Mc’D’s, Garbage Truck, MSG, bad jokes, podcasts, etc.
Kam was polished (best she could be) and fake.
The true, comfortable, Kamala is shown here: (“jesus is lord” moment). Or when she talks “mandatory” gun buybacks– “we’ll come in your home”
https://x.com/CatholicVote/status/1847367858247934290
Bernie coulda been a contender….I’d like to see that matchup (man of the working-class with his 4 mansions vs Trump’s 6)
As ugy as the mass importation.
It’s tied up with the Cartels. If you can tell me what will happen to the Cartels then I can tell you what will happen to illegal immigrants.
Cartels are putting their booty into BTC and getting ready to run home … watch for AML prosecutions next year .. TD Bank was step 1
Its difficult enough to parse the language of any campaigning politician ‘pre Trump’, but in the post 2015 era its damn near impossible to separate the carny barker promises and threats pre-election from the sensible pragmatic statements subsequently made outside the red meat rallies. Trump has changed how campaigns and politicians have to behave in order to be elected. Ironically, I think he would have received the same or more votes had he limited his campaign rhetoric to the sensible and pragmatic, and demanded thereby a return to reason from the dems. Now, we may as well ignore 98% of what is said on the trail. More’s the pity.
If you are not a criminal, have a job, are paying taxes, have health insurance and a place of residence, legal status in the US should be a welcoming process and an orderly pathway to citizenship should follow. If you’re a criminal or freeloading at the public’s expense, deport without hesitation.
You are automatically a criminal if you enter the US illegally. FULL STOP! End of discussion.
Millions of people stand in long lines at US embassies to apply for visas to come legally. They respect the laws of the US, and will likely obey them if they are able to come here.
Most people crossing the southern border are seeking economic benefit, NOT political asylum. If they succeed by staying, then illegal immigration will logically continue until the conditions here are the same or worse than the country they are leaving. It is that simple!
Millions of illegals have been in the US for years, enabled by the US unwillingness to enforce its laws. This has enabled migrants that entered illegally to establish families, businesses and leadership roles in their communities. Given the undaunting task of pursuing the hardline ideology of deporting every person without a green card, focusing the initial US deportation effort on criminals, the nefarious and welfare seekers seems the logical place to start.
Thank you for an excellent comment
Homan stated there are 1.5 million illegal immigrants that have been court ordered to leave. Add in the convicted criminals, it’s over 2 million that can be deported right away that no one should be upset about.
Sounds to me like there wasnt plans to get rid of in the first place. I’ll compromise if the border is closed and go with the rest of the measures on anyone else that wants in. No more gang members,etc!
(Stolen Joke needs daily posting regarding what’s called “self deportation”)
I asked for Trump’s Deportation Handbook at my local Barnes and Noble.
They said “Get the F*** Out Of Here and Don’t Come Back”
I said, “yea, that’s the one!”
Very glad you’re not deciding policy, Mish. I take it you weren’t MAGA back in 2015 like a lot of us. We need less “heart” and more “deport.” Ideally, we would like all 30 million deported (I’ll settle for 20 million, I guess) and birthright citizenship ended entirely. We have vested interest in making sure this country doesn’t become third world.
Anyone who wants to deport 30 million people, to put thinks politely, is an economic idiot
I have a 17 year old daughter who is a senior in HS. In her advanced Economics class, some boy, 18 and eligible to vote, was going on about how Trump will save us a lot of taxes with his tariffs. My left leaning daughter asked (already knowing the answer, having heard me go on about economics from the writing I’ve been publishing) “so, what’s a tariff?” …. Crickets. Economics is never taught early enough, and once out of HS, its typically avoided. Thus, the debate between the parties devolves to name calling and hyperbole and voters are left in the “substance vacuum”, only to decide who they “should have voted for” after the fact.
Frankly at his age I knew jack about everything.
To what extent are tariffs a form of value-added tax?
Do tariffs operate at an economic disadvantage relative to state sales taxes in terms of supply and demand?
Would Mish’s reservations about tariffs be the same if all tariffs were applied to reducing the Federal debt?
How do tariffs compare to income and capital gains taxes for economic impact?
Is the world today relevant to the Adam-Smith 1776-view of economics, where government had a very minor role and consumed very little relatively? Note also that Smith wrote there may be advantages to tariffs: including for ‘defence’ and retaliation.
You either have laws, and enforce them fairly, or you don’t.
Tax laws are an example.
How much, per capita, do illegal aliens pay in taxes, relative to legal aliens? The last time I looked, tax evasion was a crime. Maybe it changed to a minor misdemeanor, and unpaid taxes are simply waived.
A logical first step is to give preference to those of the 30 million people who have consistently filed and paid taxes.
! The Greatest Ever [ president | deportation | crowd | economy | whatever ]
Everyone should be wise by now that Trump’s rhetoric is grist for psychological analysis but certainly not to be taken literally.
102 comments so far as I type this comment and I didn’t read a single one on how to profit from all this activity, just pure hatred and dimwitted comments.
It doesn’t matter what trump does because the next administration will just undo it then it will be time to switch to a different way to profit from the circumstances.
The only real winners are those that position for profits and laugh all the way to the bank or bitcoin digital vault.
If you don’t know what they are going to do you don’t know how to profit from it.
MPO has yet to learn that a rising tide lifts all boats. That changes when a storm arrives.
“Imagination is more important than knowledge.” -Albert Einstein.
You can imagine anything, but it takes knowledge to make it reality.
“…dimwitted comments…” suggests you didn’t think critically after reading. As for for the next administration changing, by this argument NOTHING changes. Even ‘pure hatred’ comments have value, IMHO. They express concern and frustration, which should concern any responsible citizen.
The US has a small (2-year) window to affect significant change and develop systems that set in motion a century of growth and development. If the party in power abuses its voter-granted privilege, they will lose at the midterms.
Those who look only for profits are little different than welfare leeches. A better model is Elon Musk, who, as an immigrant, seems to care far more about your country than you do.
So much defeatism in your comment already, it is well founded because deep down you know nothing is going to change and you hate me for telling you the truth. Profits will set you free but only if you come to terms with it.
If Trump starts rounding people up off the street and putting them in detention camps I predict protests in the streets that will make BLM look like a walk in the park.
Leave ‘em in the street. It’s even popular in Toronto now.
If Mexico refuses them we can send them across the border to Canada.
It was very ugly, and damaging when they were allowed and even encouraged to enter America.
THAT is the only issue. I don’t care how difficult people try to make it, or how ‘ugly’ those who are tryting to prevent the deportations (and undermine America) make it, the deportations must be first priority.
Anyone complaining about these deportations should have been on the front lines opposing the invasion for decades.
If not they don’t deserve anything but rejection.
Let’s assume Max entered the US illegally in 1995, Max purchased a fake ID at a flea market, and was able to get a job painting houses. With enough saved, he started his own painting business. He eventually hired employees. Every year his accountant filed tax forms etc. By 2025, Max was paying $100K a year in Fed taxes. Now married, his illegal-alien wife had three kids, all graduates of colleges, all with jobs and families. Oh, and a son is a captain in the US Army.
He deserves rejection, right?
You?
My sense is that a majority of Trump supporters are expecting some sort of mass roundup of people who can’t show “their papers” into corral camps (as was done with the Japanese in WWII) and then a mass deportation of these millions of people to other countries.
If there countries won’t accept them back, then we may have to strap parachutes on them and push them out of airplanes!
If the Trump administration does anything less, doesn’t deport millions, many of his supporters are going to be upset and disappointed.
The Japanese were here legally, but that didn’t stop St. FDR.
It’s not deportation either. That was a thing with the mobsters from 90 years ago.
This is when you destroyed any remaining credibility. A lot of what you are reacting to is frustration, mingled with fear of the future. Both are fairly normal (excessive) responses to (threatening) change.
You make unsupported statements. Where have I gone wrong?
Countries that refuse to accept back their citizens can be persuaded to by the US refusing entry to any citizen of that country; slapping a high tariff on imports of their goods and not cooperating with them.
As for the detained illegals that refuse to go back they can remain for years in camps. Worked here in Australia where such illegals were detained for years in places like Manus Island and Nauru.
My wife is Mexican, born in Mexico as a naturalized US citizen since her mother was a US citizen. She says, “Deport them all since they broke the law.”
I understand the moral implications but the law is the law. Do you reward someone that robs a bank to feed his family? Nope, send him to jail. Those that break the law should pay the price.
The law lets see,many of people forgot the rump and his entourage tried a coup not long ago so the law?good question.
I don’t know if it mentioned somewhere in the fine print of all these proposals but illegals who have entered the USA SHOULD NOT be entitled to any form of government aid. Not food, not shelter, not clothes, not debit cards, not anything.
If independent people/charities want to provide illegals aid, then go to it, as long as no government monies (local/state/federal) are used.
This would act as a strong deterrent to further illegal immigration.
That’s the way it was pre-FDR. People came to work/live not for bennies and medicaid.
Once the aid of cut-off, self-deportation will start. We see the criminals already transferring their pillage into BTC, ready to return home.
And as cities/states continue paying bennies they should remember what Ford famously said to NY, “no bailout” aka “drop dead”.
It’s the same thing with the Palestinians. The UNRWA has provided unlimited aid for 75 years. They did nothing to stand on their own two legs and instead became fat and dependent on this aid.
Israel recently banned the UNRWA recently.
Today, I heard Gazan Palestinians interviewed on the BBC state that they can not live w/o this aid! SAD…
A simple solution would be requiring, and paying for an annual/seasonal work permit, paid for by employer or NGO.
Under President Clinton about 12 million were deported, I do not remember any hysteria, nor any cost or logistical issues being raised.
https://infographicsite.com/infographic/deportations-under-us-presidents-statistics/
nice link … take a look at “returns” vs “removals” .. still, lots of folks left under Clinton.
Once the immigrants realize they risk jail time, criminal record in US, then a forced deportation with no real chance for ever immigrating legally, they self-deport. Lots of foreigners believed in Biden/Left-ists open boarder policy…hard to blame then.
Deport all illegals immediately!!!
wisdom is needed,I will quote H.L. Mencken As democracy is perfected,the office of the president represents,more and more closely, the inner soul of the people.on some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron.
You seem to have missed the “wisdom” bit.
Don’t chastise the messenger.
Mencken spoke from experience of what had already been 50 years of proof of just that, by the time those words were written. And every election since, has just dug the ditch deeper. And deeper. And deeper.
Heck, even limiting it to 50 years pre Mencken, is mainly to avoid having to deal with “racism” accusations for not supporting the, actually very uncivil, War Between The States. More soberly: That War; or more accurately, the buildup to it; destroyed America. It never recovered. All since has been nothing but ever accelerating decay into the insult “we” are today.
I would argue that the reconstruction period, from 1877 to 1920 is the period that normalized (in the wrong direction) the racism we still struggle with today.
I’m not too familiar with the specifics of “racism” back then.
But that was the period of The Progressive Movement. Basically the flat out refutation of ALL that the US founders had fought for and created. The period of ever more tyrannical, completely unrestrained government, as opposed to the American ideal of a free people granting only a very few, very strictly enumerated, powers to it.
It was, and is, the very definition of virtually all that is truly evil. So it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest that it also institutionalized racism. ALL of progressivism was, is, and will forever remain, nothing but pure evil. Pure stupidity. Pure terror. All without ANY redeeming features.
We’re getting there…Lol. This was the Dems failing, and hats off to Ocasio-Cortez for actually asking those in her constituency why they voted for both her, and for Trump. The answers included “both you and Trump are talking to working people”. The dems need to trade in their mirrors for looking glasses, and understand that there are two sides to a normal distribution.
The “downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron” was Biden. The rest of the world laughed. Trump has ‘the rest of the world’ worried because he might actually achieve something of substance.
The best way to answer this question is for reasonable minded American’s to ask themselves how crazy it was for the Dems to let in ~ 12M illegals in 4 years? How crazy was it that they flouted US immigration laws? How crazy is it for federal tax dollars to go to sanctuary cities? How crazy is it that we’re spending hundreds of billions of dollars on people who are here illegally which takes assistance from American citizens?
It’s pointless to ask your question without answering these first.
We are less of a country if we don’t figure out ways to get our citizens to do most of the work that these illegals are doing. Residential construction & home repair services are great examples. We can leave landscaping, meat packing & produce picking to the legal immigrants who leave and then come back legally.
My neighbor had his AC replaced this summer. Guess what? The tech was an illegal immigrant. I tried to ask him a question, and he didn’t understand me. Why are we allowing that company to hire an illegal? That’s an extremely fundamental question. That illegal isn’t working for peanuts.
It’s not rocket science. It’s a matter of national will & beating back lobbyist & greedy corporations.
For example, Pulte Homes spends close to $40K buying down mortgage rates for people who purchase their new homes, and they still have 30% gross margin.
How overpriced are these houses? How much of that profit & rate buy down money could go to pay somewhat higher wages? I would bet the average framer on a framing crew is making $60-90K a year. There are tons of able-bodied Americans who can do that work and would love the pay raise.
well said. And the other part of this is unless I am wrong, there is no way the states involved in taking these immigrants have “paid for this this” This was not in NY budget for instance. These states will be asking the Federal government for Billion of $, maybe hundreds of billions in bailouts. So the cost of shipping them back is SAVING future costs of housing and feeding them. So the excuse anyone is going to use about the cost is atronmical has no idea what it is costing us to keep them here….We will save money by getting rid of them
Anyone buying a house ‘built’ by national builders is a fool.
Welcome to the world of finance engineering. Pulte can buy down those mortgage rates and still make their money because of financial engineering. The banks and intermediaries can repackage loans (remember 2008), get them off their books and sell the riskless tranches to insurance companies, and the mezzanine tranches to equity funds looking to duration match their revolving portfolios. Until there is a law (gasp! regulation = bad, no?) preventing Pulte and every other company from picking the low hanging fruit dangled in front of them by the banks and their financial engineers, why wouldn’t Pulte look to make as much profit as possible, including by using illegals?
Right! That’s called status quo. Again, we’ll see how far Trump takes it.
Criminals yes should be deported. Other folks-possibly. If you are milking a welfare system of some sort, you should go. These people did nothing to contribute to social security or Medicare. Off you go back to your sh!thole.
There is no reason that Trump and Congress cannot come up with a worker permit system that allows one to work in the US with some stipulations. You cannot bring your family to sponge off the United States and there has to be a payment by companies to pay for their healthcare. Meanwhile, the border must be secured.
If you let them stay, you undermine the system, and you in effect “steal” from those who immigrated the right and legal way. It shouldn’t be difficult to understand. The principles at stake are the foundation of the civilization people aspire to come to – you undermine that very civilization by letting people off for breaking the rules – it creates bitterness and resentment amongst those who follow the rules, and inculcates cynicism, which is corrosive the the very civilization you hope to preserve. So the answer must always be No! No! No! It is dismaying that Mish fails to understand that.
Rumour has it, Elon Musk’s next project is cloning Tom Homan. He is in high demand elsewhere.
That man is a sex symbol
Say what now?!
On a scale of 1 to 10?
Hopefully a 10. How’s that?
“If someone has been here a while, with a job, and are productive members of society, it would be idiotic to send them home unless the goal is more inflation and workforce shortages”
The goal should be an entire reset of the labor force. The goal should be encouraging WAY more trade school enrollments and tuition assistance. The goal should be helping people retrain. The goal should be helping people move to where the jobs are. The goal should be slowly increasing workplace enforcement.
Basically, the goal should be a gigantic PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT on day one of the Trump presidency. However, I have my doubts about Trump. He’s way to sympathetic to companies to have the balls to go the full-Monty.
Your second paragraph sounds awful Democratic. Where’s all this funding going to come from? Especially moving people.
Once you start making exceptions, you’ve essentially justified the Democrat way. One law for all!
The universe is not black & white.
Forget goals. Most workers are going to be replaced by robots in the next 20 years.
Here is an enjoyable article to scroll through:
Where’s My Robot?
Here’s how we could finally build humanoid robots that do all our domestic chores
By Erico Guizzo & Randi Klett
11 Nov 2024
https://spectrum.ieee.org/ai-robots
The Brandon regime let in 12 million people. It also paid NGOs billions to help get these people here. Does our booming thriving economy REALLY need that much slave labor?
Okay. These people work. They earn money. And like all people who come in on work visas, THEY MUST GO HOME. Time’s up. See you later, maybe.
Two teachers showed up to my school to teach math. Their visas were good for 2 years. And now they’ve gone back to Spain. Why can they go home and entire Ecuadorian districts cannot?
Because they had plane fare, and a First-World country to go home to.
I’m an American that’s worked in South Korea, mainland China, and Vietnam. I’ve spent over a decade of my life in Korea and there were lots of construction and factory workers from Russia, Pakistan, Vietnam, and especially the Philippines there. We all make it back to our homelands. It’s not hard. We’re not rocket scientists. If we can figure it out, so can the Latin Americans and Haitians in the USA.
Korea, China, and Vietnam required a clean FBI criminal background check, and I had to pass a urine test for drugs. That’s a very small ask, and I’m glad they require those so I can live in societies that have 24-hour unmanned stores that operate on the honor system. That would be unthinkable in the USA, as even manned stores get looted mercilessly. The crime rates are so low, Korea was able to focus on getting an American extradited from Romania after he sprayed graffiti on a Seoul metro subway car.
We don’t receive free healthcare, or food stamps, or free smartphones from East Asian governments while locals struggle to afford those goods and services. We’re not treated worse than the locals in most respects, but we’re not given freebies paid for with their tax dollars while the citizens of those nations do without or struggle. Those governments actually care about their societies.
5 years ago before the 12 million illegal immigrants arrived the economy was fine. So today, for some reason, we can’t do without those 12 million? Rightttttt……
Close all military bases in Europe and set up the poor migrants there.
Europe doesn’t want them either – why don’t they just go home and fix their own houses instead coming and ruining ours?!
One of many simple solutions to complex problems that will have Trump trying to look like a hero when he reins in his dogs for overreach .. over and over and over. Remember he had at least a dozen cabinet secretaries resign (tho never prosecuted of course). Youll see a lot of that. He’ll run out of stooges to appoint after awhile.
And who’s fault is this complex problem? It isn’t Trumps. Your boy Biden didn’t give a shit and encouraged illegal immigration with his policies. You break it and then complain about how to clean up the mess. Typical lib
Im sure you will give factual evidence of how a dirty, stinking Venezuelan took your job cleaning toilets, mowing lawns, caring for kids and cutting meat.
Try critical thinking. Why do people resign? Did anyone leave Trump’s cabinet who was truly making a positive contribution?
They got pushed out. If they had stayed, Trump would had have them actually prosecuted. Only young black males get prosecuted in this country.
Bring back Paul Ryan. Anyone who lies about their marathon race times will lie about anything.
Not a good idea,the new liar in chief doesn’t want competition.
And crickets from you rather than a response
He is probably busy eating ze bugs.
Im a busy retiree. What did you want to know?
Sounds like you know the solutions will work, and you hate it, because you want them to fail.
Some things are just not gonna work. Attempting to shoot every Covid virus cell with a machine gun is just not gonna work.
Ideally, deportation will be self-deportation, and therefore voluntary. The question is how.
Start with some simple rules as part of legislation:
1) If you enter the US illegally, you can NEVER get citizenship, including by marriage.
2) If you have entered illegally, and voluntarily leave at your expense, you have the right to apply for legal entry from another country. No preference will be given, however.
3) If you have entered illegally, or overstayed visas etc, you may secure a work visa by payment of ‘taxes’ and a fine for previous non-payment.
4) If you entered illegally, and are caught, you will be promptly deported, and any assets will be forfeited up to the value of unpaid taxes and fines.
5) Said ‘taxes’ are based on estimated earnings, with no deductions allowed.
The point is, the cost to stay illegally must exceed the benefit of staying illegally. Yes, it really is that simple.
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How about if you are caught being in this country illegally, we are allowed to harvest your organs?
Both mindless drivel and unnecessary. All I ask is they pay the same as US citizens and legal aliens! Nothing more.
No need for new legislation: just enforcement
Jail for employers who have not vetted people with E-Verify.
Jail for anybody who has aided & abetted illegals.
Jail, as is black letter statue law, as accomplice for any illegal who committed a crime
The problem is among the 30-odd million illegal immigrants there are a great many who are good, law-abiding, productive citizens. Often, they have succeeded because they work harder than US citizens. Kicking them out is not productive, and even counter-productive. On the other hand, leeches and law breakers need to go, asap.
Then, there is a big bunch in the middle, not particularly valuable, who could/should be replaced by more deserving and motivated immigrants. The litmus test is obvious–how big is the contribution.
if you entered illegally then you are CRIMINAL
Filling the jails simply based on the cost of one prisoner, IS NOT a good solution.
See here:
https://posts.voronoiapp.com/maps/Between-US-States-There-is-Huge-Variance-in-Spending-per-Prisoner-1351
By the way, when I return to the US every year (by boat) I have 24 hours to officially report my arrival. If I don’t, there is a $5,000 fine for the first offense.
You’re not going to be filling jails, Bunt. You’re going to be filling trains, planes & automobiles to deport them back to their country of origin.
Were it so simple, with appeals etc. Legal aid? Airfares. Do they roam freely while you process their cases?
A one way economy airfare is cheap. The cost of detention can be cheap if the camps are tents with cots in tents, cold showers, slit tench toilets and basic chow. No worse than what the troops had in WW2.
And few will appeal to stay if the chance of a successful appeal is low and an unsuccessful appeal results in a lifetime ban from ever entering the US. But if they agree to leave then the slate is wiped clean and they can then apply from their home countries or elsewhere for an entry visa and work permit along with others who never illegally entered to fill the millions of job vacancies.
What if the countries won’t accept them? Won’t allow them back in? Do we leave them in boats outside the 3 mile limit?
You can take biometrics and ban them for life from any future visa or work.
An issue everyone seems to overlook is the declining birth rate in certain segments of the US. While robotics/Ai/etc will likely pick up some of the labor slack, the US’ future is negative growth, and diminishing intelligence. Idiocracy is real. Add to that a nation already in VAST debt.
What happens when the next administration changes the rules?
Anyone caught eating a cat or a dog should be immediately deported to Haiti. No matter where they’re from.
Nobody is eating cats and dogs. That is one of the stupidest trump lies.
Here Kitty Kitty kitty….
That was one of the best ones.
You ever been to a 3rd-world country?
Haiti is a true 3rd world sh!t hole. Totally believable that pets are being taken for food.
The dog that didn’t bark – Spain, Britain and France never acknowledge their role in Haitian history.
Nor the Romans in theirs.
We need a big squeegee to push everyone in Haiti into the ocean and then turn Haiti over to the Dominican Republic so it can have the whole island.
The very fact that Democrats denounce this story as fake news is xenophobic disinformation & bigotry on their part.
Only westerners treat medium sized animals like dogs & cats & ducks as pets. In the 3rd world, pets are hamsters & song birds. Anything larger may be considered a food item. Hell, my old 1948 cookbook has recipes for pigeon, possum, and racoon.
I’ve told my dog in the event of nuclear war, I’ll be eating her, sooner rather than later to save the dog food. She doesn’t seem to care so long as I rub her tummy.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/daily-memo/3225917/the-case-for-mass-deportations/ Byron York’s column today says that there are at least 1.3 million illegals who have already had their cases adjudicated and who have been issued deportation orders. Between them and the known criminals, there’s plenty of deportations that can be done before the midterms. Any boo-hooing can be answered with “they were ordered deported during the Biden Administration”.
I’m sure MSNBC will run stories about little Juanita being sad. Oh well.
…which about 0.1% of the US population will watch.
I don’t believe this is what democrats want. They are strict law abiding citizens as demonstrated by the fact that they STILL want to prosecute a president elect on trivial charges.
And according to the law, illegals are not allowed to work here. So there you have it.
I’m sure Kamala’s billionaire mega donors wouldn’t mind paying for the housing, food and care of all illegal immigrants while they wait for their court cases though.
But I’m afraid that in the end, all illegal aliens need to be deported, according to the letter of the law.
Nobody is above the law.
So when is Hillary, Biden, and Pelosi going to be arrested and prosecuted?
These guys were/are above the law: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NwnnLnvQYA&t
It will get as ugly as the libtards made it
I see folks from many perspectives have trouble distinguishing Trump’s bombastic style from his practical, no BS, approach to most issues.
We are already at ugly and that’s entirely the fault of the democrats. A more appropriate title for your post might be something like “Just how ugly is the problem Biden created for the American people.”
not sure why the aesthetics of deportation matter at all… ugly? pretty?
it has to happen. end of conversation.
national security & sovereignty > aesthetics & feelings
We will need thousands of newly appointed Trump judges to process the cases ASAP. I’m sure the democrats and RINOs won’t object.
Republicans, unlike most democrats apparently, have a heart. But these illegal aliens are a big part of the inflation we’re seeing. They are responsible for higher home prices, medical care costs, grocery prices etc. They are also responsible for overcrowding in our educational and healthcare systems. So the question becomes how much heart can we afford.
There were ICE raids on businesses in my area during his first term. One was a chain restaurant. I don’t know the details but the next time I went, the staff spoke perfect English.
I think much of the same will be done of going after business owners. It’s the most effective way to do it. I know after the housing bubble we had a net loss of illegal aliens.
…about as ugly as letting in 8 figures of illegal immigrants over the last 3 years….
If you build the wall and enforce the law it will not be ugly at all.
It’s only going to get ugly when the MSM, sanctuary cities and paid protestors try to prevent law enforcement from doing their job.
Worst comes to worst send them to Massachusetts. Martha’s Vineyard has 180,000 unused beds this time of year and the governor has sworn to protect all the illegals.