If You Think I’m Bearish Please Read John Hussman

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Former Fed Chair Ben Bernanke:  “Having experienced the damage that asset price bubbles can cause, we must be especially vigilant in ensuring that the recent experiences are not repeated.” – Ben Bernanke, Federal Reserve Chair, January 3, 2010

Nowhere

Hussman kicks off his latest post, “Repricing a Market Priced for Zero“, with that quote. 

Buckle up, buttercup.

The most challenging financial event for investors in the coming decade will be the repricing of securities to valuations that imply adequate long-term returns, following more than a decade of reckless and intentional Fed-induced yield-seeking speculation.

The chart below updates the status of our most reliable stock market valuation measures, based on their correlation with actual subsequent S&P 500 total returns in market cycles across history. Their historical profiles are largely indistinguishable. The arrow shows the current level of valuation, which remains above every valuation extreme observed prior to 2020. Indeed, our Margin-Adjusted P/E (MAPE), for which a century of data is available, remains beyond its 1929 peak.

Each measure is shown as a ratio to the historical norm associated with run-of-the-mill subsequent S&P 500 total returns of 10% annually. To say that recent market highs approached 3.6 times those historical norms is essentially to say that average S&P 500 total returns are likely to be nowhere near 10% annually during the coming 10-20 years.

Indeed, measured from the recent market peak, I expect S&P 500 total returns to be negative, on average, for well over a decade – an outcome I also projected at the 2000 market peak. That said, if a steep market decline was to front-load those losses, investors could also enjoy prospects for satisfactory long-term returns even a year or two from now. It’s current valuation extremes, and the dismal long-term returns they imply, that long-term investors may want to think twice about locking in.

Hussman Strategic Advisors – We Are Here

Chart Courtesy of John Hussman 

Meanwhile, be careful not to interpret valuations as near-term market forecasts. That’s not how valuations work. The main thing that determines whether an overvalued market continues to advance, or drops like a rock instead, is whether investor psychology is inclined toward speculation or risk-aversion. When investors are inclined to speculate, they tend to be indiscriminate about it. When investors become risk-averse, they tend to be skittish and selective. For that reason, our most reliable gauge of speculation versus risk-aversion is the uniformity or divergence of market internals – across thousands of individual stocks, industries, sectors, and security types, including debt securities of varying creditworthiness.

As I wrote at the 2000 bubble peak, “When the market loses that uniformity, valuations often matter suddenly and with a vengeance. This is a lesson best learned before a crash rather than after one. Valuations, trend uniformity, and yield pressures are now uniformly unfavorable, and the market faces extreme risk in this environment.” That’s the same environment we face at present, but as those conditions change, so will our market outlook.

Put simply, the most severe market losses tend to emerge when elevated valuations are joined by deterioration and divergence in market internals, suggesting risk-aversion among investors. Conversely, the strongest opportunities tend to emerge when a material retreat in valuations is joined by broad uniformity in market internals, suggesting speculative psychology among investors.

Year 2000 Flashback 

Hussman Flashback 

Historical Valuation Norm 

Historical Valuation Norm chart courtesy of John Hussman

Policy Errors

Many observers are hyperventilating about the risks of normalizing Federal Reserve policy, but most of those consequences are unfortunately already baked in the cake after years of speculative recklessness. As I noted in The Fed policy error that should worry investors, the most profound “policy error” of the Fed is well behind it. That error was to abandon, for more than a decade, any systematic link between their policy variables and observable data.

Mish Comments 

I encourage anyone who got this far to read the entire Hussman’s article in entirety. It’s loaded with gems.

Many of my readers will complain Hussman has been too bearish. 

That’s not at all the case.  Hussman never once said “go short” that I am aware. 

Rather, Hussman commented on market valuations, I believe accurately. The fact that valuations kept getting more and more extreme does not in the least detract from the message. 

The Hook

S&P 500 Monthly chart courtesy of StockCharts.Com, annotations by Mish

The hook now is looking at declines and thinking along the lines of “stocks are down 15% so they are cheap.”

Stocks on average will not be cheap if the S&P declines 50% from the top. 

If the S&P declines 70% then we can discuss cheap. 

Where will support hold?

As I have stated before, I am confident the 4000 level will not hold. I suppose 3200 could hold but more likely it won’t. 

But let’s assume it does. The market could meander around that level going “nowhere” for a decade. 

It’s more likely for the 2400 level to hold. But that only takes back 5 years of the bull market. 

What About Earnings?

It’s not about time or percentage declines per se, but valuations. Earnings still need to catch up. 

Both fiscal and monetary policy goosed earnings. That is why Shiller uses CAPE (cyclically-adjusted PE) ratios and Hussman uses MAPE (margin-adjusted PE) ratios.

Earnings mean revert. Most of the forward earnings are total nonsense. They do not reflect higher inflation, higher interest rates, or trade flows which looking ahead will increase costs. 

Housing-Adjusted CPI Inflation Hits New Record High Dating to 1987

On April 27, I commented Housing-Adjusted CPI Inflation Hits New Record High Dating to 1987

Case-Shiller home prices via St. Louis Fed, chart by Mish

Home prices disconnected from reality. Regardless of what anyone may think about supply or demand or it’s OK because interest rates are low, that’s an obvious bubble.

And that bubble made people feel wealthy. When you feel wealthy, you spend more money.

The stock market did the same.

Demand destruction looking ahead will not only crush demand, it will raise PEs. This is another reason to distrust forward PEs we see from analysts today. 

Cathie Wood’s Ark Open Source Model Predicts Tesla Shares Will Hit $4,600 by 2026

As an example of nonsensical forward earnings estimates, please consider Cathie Wood’s Ark Open Source Model Predicts Tesla Shares Will Hit $4,600 by 2026

Her 2030 model is even more nonsensical. Wood thinks 

By 2030 ARK predicts a share price of about $22,500 equating to a market cap of roughly $22.5 trillion.

US Real GDP in 2021 was $19.8 Trillion.

ARK is predicting the valuation of Tesla will exceed the entire US real GDP by the early 2030s.

Yes, this is more than ridiculous. It also says something about ARK’s open source share price model. 

Jeremy Grantham Target

S&P 500 chart courtesy of StockCharts.Com, annotations by Mish with thanks to Jeremy Grantham.

Expect More Stock Market Pain Because It’s Coming

I repeat my April 22, 2022 message Expect More Stock Market Pain Because It’s Coming

On February 23, 2022 I commented Most People Have No Idea How Much Stocks are Likely to Crash

In that post I discuss value investor Jeremy Grantham’s thesis on “super bubbles” and his target for the S&P 500.

The post has a link to a Grantham video where he discusses his target.

Those are a few opinions to consider. Whom you believe is up to you.

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jivefive98
jivefive98
3 years ago
In 1973 when my sister was born, it was the worst year for births in a generation — only 3.1 million babies. In 2023 she turns 50. Harry Dent has said a million times that people will borrow and spend the most they will ever spend in their lives when they turn 48-54. So, starting from 1973/2023, at the worst point in 1973/2023, and every year after that, 2024, 2025, 2026, more and more and more people will hit their absolute maximum spending level as they hit age 48-54, buying houses, cars, college educations, followed by even MORE people the next year hitting their maximum spending. S&P 500 under fire? I doubt it. If progressively larger and larger groups of people cross the age 50 line and spend the most theyll ever spend? Its pretty clear it is blue skies for 2-3 decades.
tomatohead
tomatohead
3 years ago
Reply to  jivefive98
The logic has nothing to do with valuations. Yes blue skies coming, once the storm has passed.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  tomatohead
Yeah, blue skies, like in The Truman Show.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Former Fed Chair Ben Bernanke: “Having experienced the damage that
asset price bubbles can cause, we must be especially vigilant in
ensuring that the recent experiences are not repeated
.” – Ben Bernanke, Federal Reserve Chair, January 3, 2010
“Experiences.” Not only was the lesson not learned the first time, it wasn’t learned the second time, either.
It is a game of wash, rinse, make excuses, repeat. What is the next bubble going to be in?
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Just got back top the room
Did Wire Pass, Buckskin Gulch (just a bit), Antelope Canyon, and The Maze petroglyph site hike About 7 miles or so
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
That’s what makes markets. Different opinions. If everyone had the same opinion, the market couldn’t function because they would all be trying to sell (or buy) at the same time.
For every person selling, there has to be someone buying. Though I have many long term positions, I also enjoy trading, and the volatility these days makes for a lot of trading fun. One can make money in both down and up markets.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
That’s why I love brokering.
You make money in both up and down markets.
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
Isn’t Hussman the guy who has correctly predicted 100 of the past 2 bear markets?
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Actually, Hussman has never predicted a bear market to the best of my knowledge
However, his posts seem to imply that except that “nowhere” cold literally mean “nowhere for 15 years”, this no bear market.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
The equity and housing markets are not the only things overvalued. If I could short sell college professors I would.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
The market has become a store of value for awhile now. It would have gone into a usual valuation during covid had it been allowed to. The system got flooded with money because the Fed forced money out of bonds. We are going to find out how much money was really put into the market based on how far below the 2020 bottom we go.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Mish, I have a question for when you return.
If there is such a decline as Hussman imagines, where is the money going? By that I mean, lets say the stock market is worth 1 trillion and new buyers of stock only offer 800 billion worth to buy those stocks (20% decline). The new owners have the stock and the old owners have 800 billion. So where is that money going? Either it stays in bank accounts (losing 5-10% via inflation), goes into another asset class (houses, gold, crypto etc) or goes back into stocks or gets spent on consumables (though that technically puts the money back into some other owners hands unless it goes offshore to another country where it never returns so it’s out of the US system). One thing that never happens is that it DOES NOT get destroyed.
My problem with calls for massive declines in the market is where does the money go. It must go into another asset class (a different bubble) or banks or back into stocks. Housing is in it’s own bubble so hard to imagine that getting bigger. Same with crypto, NFT’s etc. It could be physical assets like gold but that would require gold to get to levels of like 100K Oz given the money vs gold supply.
What I’d really like to see (Hussman or you) do is instead of showing historic valuations of stocks / norms in P/E, instead show the value of stocks relative to the money supply at that point in time (you pick the money supply definition and it can change over time since credit is different now than say 1920). I suspect that stocks instead get priced relative to money supply (if you have 10x the money supply stock valuations will be much higher simply because there is so much money relative to the number of shares of stocks thus lots of money chasing few shares) rather than PE. My guess is the reason for the huge run up in stocks (and homes) is the huge expansion of the money supply in the last decade and that since money doesn’t get destroyed, the market can only fall so far or a different asset class will go into a bubble.
StickToEconomics
StickToEconomics
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Leverage.

The money that is holding the stock market up doesn’t exist; it is all based on fractional reserve lending; i.e. when lending slows down or even reverses then the effect is bad, real bad.

Simple idea.
Fed prints $10 (through loans) , that $10 is amplified to create $100 worth of money.
Now Fed prints $1 while allowing the previous $10 to get paid back, i.e. net destruction of $9 = $90 worth of money “destroyed”.
It’s not really destroyed but it’s paid back.

In highly leveraged markets (like the stock market), when the leverage is gone, poof goes the valuations.

Jack
Jack
3 years ago
If only leverage then this would allow one to calculate the bottom.
StickToEconomics
StickToEconomics
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack
No; it’s not hard to predict which market(s) will collapse without leverage; but it is very hard to calculate the bottom b/c no one knows how much leverage will be destroyed before the lending is turned back on.

No leverage means buying at pure cash and no loans. This happened in some housing markets in ’08 and the bottom was really, really low. Most leveraged markets won’t go to pure cash b/c the “lender of last resort”, i.e. the Fed always steps in to prevent the actually bottom from occurring.

Let’s say if the real bottom had been found in ’08, home prices would have reverted to their nominal (not inflation adjusted) mid-1980s pricing.

Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Agree, but leverage would only account for some of the market bottom. It could be much worse.
Everyone needs a home to live and will always try to hold onto their home. In a panicked market sellers will only include those forced to sell (e.g., loss of employment) or rental owners (30% of hosing stock). This places a bottom on house prices as seen in 2008.
Everyone (including leveraged and non-leveraged owners) could easily try and sell the stock market in a panicked market. They would hold hold cash, purchase bonds or go bankrupt. The stock market does not have the same bottom in a worse case scenario.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack
Some states have homestead acts that allow you to keep your home even if you declare bankruptcy.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
There is some statistics about how much margin is in the market. It blew over the records, and that was a few years back.
Infation might moderate the decline, and of course the FED put.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
There is no net destruction.
Eg. Mr. Dope buys Amazon at $3000, using $300 cash and $2700 credit. Ms. Brain is the seller. She pockets the $3,000.
Amazon declines…. the price is now $2700. Dope gets called. Put in more cash or he loses all $300.
Eg. Mr. Dope buys Amazon at $3000, using $3000 cash. Ms. Brain is the seller. She pockets the $3,000.
Amazon declines…. the price is now $2700. Dope loses all of $300 when he sells to BFD….
However, the $300 is never lost–Ms. Brain has it. Everyone holding Amazon at $500 will wish they’d sold at $3000.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Of course it evaporates.
The person who bought high and sold low is out actual money, which is transferred to the seller.
The person who bought low and either didn’t sell or sells at a lower price than he could have, has forfeited his big chance, and sees the phantom value evaporate. No money is destroyed, but the valuation is phantom … prices are not pumped up by money flowing in, they rise when people bid at higher ask prices.
StickToEconomics
StickToEconomics
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Exactly; the change in money only happens when the stock is bought or sold and there are way, way more people who hold the stock then the ones who buy and sell.

To see this, just look at Market Cap vs. daily volume, that tells you the daily percentage of people that are actually trading or effectively setting prices. Pricing is set at the margins and if those people who are buying/selling are the marginal buyers that have leverage then pricing is much higher, kill the leverage and the marginal buyers now set the price much, much lower.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Transferring is not evaporating. It’s just transferring between owners. It’s similar to the myth of ‘sideline cash’.
Leverage which someone else mentioned above is something different of course and I didn’t consider that. Leverage can be fictitious and thus destroyed to up to the level that someone is liable for the losses (if you can make 100% of the losses there is no destruction but if you can’t, there is some destruction).
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Institutional investors account for more than 85% of the volume of trades on the New York Stock Exchange. These entities use other peoples money. Basically it shows up as a reduced ledger in your 401k etc. Unless you cash out your account, it is not cash on the sidelines.
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Also remember the stock market is valued on a last trade basis. It takes relatively few transactions to revalue the market. Prices of some stocks will be marked up/down just because a similar stock or index moved as a result of a trade.
Irondoor
Irondoor
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Every dollar, every debt, every stock, every bond that was ever created is held by someone unless it is retired. Which means, there is no such thing as “money on the sidelines”. What does “evaporate” is market value. If you own XYZ stock and it’s trading at $100, and overnight the best bid for your stock is $95, when the market opens in the morning, your net worth just went down by $5.00, even if no transaction took place in your account. If you do sell for $95, money comes off the sidelines into your account and your net worth stays the same. You just have cash and the buyer has a $95 share of stock. What happened to that $5.00? It’s called mark to market losses.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Irondoor
I understand all that. What I was asking about was ‘all the money in the system’ and by that I mean the entire money supply.
Back to your example. If I buy a stock for 100 and later sell for 95, My net worth is indeed down 5. But the total money in the system is still 195. My premise is that money (the 95 held by me and the 100 held by the person who sold me the stock originally) goes some place. Either it sits in bank or gets put into a different investment (real estate, gold, etc).
The Fed has been inflating the money supply immensely since the 2008 housing crisis. Stocks and homes have similarly inflated. PE’s are out of wack with historical numbers but in 1947 when his chart started we had a more or less fixed supply (gold standard) so it’s hard to reconcile PEs in 1947 with today where money supply is inflated rapidly and people are putting that money into real estate and stocks and blowing up the historical PE and real estate valuations because money itself is created faster than business profits. Does that explain what I mean better?
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Joe has a 100 in his bank account, his bank places it on deposit with the Fed until it’s spent.
You have 95 in your bank account and your bank places on deposit with the Fed.
So 195 with the Fed
Company A issues a 100 worth of stock and Joe buys it.
Company A leaves it unspent in their account so their bank places 100 on deposit with the Fed.
Still 195 with the FedJoe sells it to you for 95. Joe leaves his 95 in his bank and they place it on deposit with the Fed.
195 still with the Fed.
Subsequently you sell it back to Joe for 80. You leave your 80 in your bank and they place it with the Fed.
The Fed still has Company A’s 100, 15 from Joes Bank, and 80 from your bank.
I think this is how it works.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
The total ‘money’ is NOT $195… someone paid you $95…
Now, the Fed? That is the problem. Without the Fed being irresponsible, the ‘money supply’ should match real economic growth–the by production of real goods and services.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
“If there is such a decline as Hussman imagines, where is the money going? By that I mean, lets say the stock market is worth 1 trillion and new buyers of stock only offer 800 billion worth to buy those stocks (20% decline).”
Money goes nowhere. Mathematically it cannot go anywhere. For every seller there is a buyer. Rather it’s a massive revaluation lower.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
“ARK is predicting the valuation of Tesla will exceed the entire US real GDP by the early 2030s.

Yes, this is more than ridiculous. It also says something about ARK’s open source share price model.”

The Motley Fool had some models like that during the 90s tech bubble. They used to call them “unemotional growth” models or something like that.

All of them had to be ditched in the ensuing bear market, after losing 90 to 95 percent or even more.

Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
I read this on The Morning Porridge today.
“I can’t resist the tale of Teledoc Health –one of ARK founder Cathie Wood’s big picks. It crashed 40% y’day on the back of higher than expected costs, lower than expected sales growth, and a more competitive market. Wow.. who could have foreseen that? It’s down 91% since its high last year. Gonna change the World? Cathie said: “we truly believe our portfolio is full of the next Tesla, the next bitcoin”. Oh dear.. time to sell then..”
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
God speaks to Cathie… ARK is the ‘ark of the covenant’–like papal infallibility, she can’t possibly go wrong…
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
ARK’s share price is THE harbinger of where markets are going.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
I’m Going Hiking – Buckskin Gulch
Good Luck Into the Close
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
I’m hiking, too … in my yard … with my lawnmower.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Tony – ROTFL.
Mish – Enjoy your hike.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Looks like a nice place. Hope you have a quiet hike. I have gone tired of hiking trails overrun and noisy with crowds.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
What is missing in overall market valuation is the impact of persistent low yields on risk (systematic and total). Low yields mean low discount rates, and high NPVs, which means many investments are made which would not be justified, or considered too risky, under ‘normative’ yields. Risk has thus accumulated, embedded in sub-optimal decisions during the last 12-15 years. When SHTF, as it now seems to be doing, those high risk ‘assets’ will quickly come to the forefront.
We can (arguably) say that 2008 was the result of systemic risk (Lehman failing) which was caused by miss-pricing systematic risk inherent in packaging mortgages. The underlying assumption being, having diversified by packaging the only remaining risk was systematic, which was then heavily discounted.
This time around is different. Systemic risk (from sub-optimal investment decisions) is throughout the economy. Not one Lehman, perhaps hundreds. From a few failures, systematic risk increases. Elevator doing down!
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
“Low yields mean low discount rates, and high NPVs, which means many investments are made which would not be justified, or considered too risky, under ‘normative’ yields.”
Absolutely.
And why Powell is Full Of It when he talks of Federal Reserve going “green” (?? buying bonds of windmills?) … if Federal Reserve had a shred of concern for environment it would have raised rates YEARS AGO to disallow malinvestment.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Pooty poot is gonna uncork the nukes, and none of this will matter.
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I must admit these type of headlines are not a good sign. As we know the exact opposite of what’s being said is most likely.
“The United States does not believe there’s a threat of Russia using nuclear weapons despite a recent escalation in Moscow’s rhetoric, a senior US defence official has said, according to Reuters.”
“Lavrov has also said Russia is not threatening anyone with nuclear war, but accuses Western nations of doing so.” from a BBC report.
Fingers crossed, which is about all we can do.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
I’m considering moving my entire portfolio into cocaine, hookers and fireworks.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Excellent choices!
StickToEconomics
StickToEconomics
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Maybe, only if the US pushes him to do so.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago

Nuclear kookery!

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