Job Openings Drop by 418,000 as Quits Show Major Weakness

Job openings and quits, not impacted by hurricanes, put an additional spotlight on the poor October jobs report.

Job openings and quits are for September and not impacted by Hurricanes

The BLS released the Jobs Openings and Labor Turnover Survey (JOLTS) for September on Wednesday. I am catching up today.

  • At the March 2022 peak, there were 11,773,000 job openings vs an unemployment level of 5,993,000. There were nearly two openings per those unemployed.
  • There are now 7,443,000 opening vs an unemployment level of 6,834,000. The unemployment level will soon top openings.
  • Quits are voluntary separations. The number of quits is well below the pre-Covid level.

The number of openings is suspect. Many positions are fake or stale. Others exist only if the exact right person comes along.

In contrast, quits are hard data, representing actions, not words. Quits are a measure of ability to find another job at better pay or benefits plus retirements.

Given the surge of boomer retirements, quits show remarkable weakness.

Job Quits by Sector in Thousands

Job quits in Leisure and Hospitality, the overlapping Accommodation and Food Service sector, and Retail Trade have collapsed.

If you quit a job or are laid off, it’s not that easy to find another job.

Job Openings vs Unemployment

Again, that data is through September.

Nonfarm Payrolls Rise a Mere 12,000 with Government Jobs Up 40,000

This morning, I reported Nonfarm Payrolls Rise a Mere 12,000 with Government Jobs Up 40,000

Jobs were up a mere 12,000 not counting 112,000 negative revisions.

Employment fell by 368,000. That’s something I failed to mention so I posted an addendum.

The unemployment rate was steady only because 220,000 people dropped out of the labor force.

To three decimal places, I calculate the unemployment rate at 4.145 up from 4.051 up 0.094.

The unemployment rate is best viewed as an increase of 0.1 percentage points instead of unchanged.

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TEF
TEF
1 year ago

Does fractal math both predict a 5 November 2024 global equity crash and a #45 presidential loss via the crash his proxy DJT? The jobs data is consistent with a nonlinear implosion. http://www.economicfractalist.com/blog/

joedidee
joedidee
1 year ago

there should be retirement numbers monthly
given 10,000+ boomers are retiring EVERY DAY or just 300,000 a month

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
1 year ago

Biden had a statistical gift of a job market and squandered it. In all categories, numbers are less than pre-COVID.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

Hmmmm… Decided to look it up. Doesn’t match with what you said.

What President Biden Inherits – FactCheck.org

As President Joe Biden takes office, he inherits:

  • The worst disease outbreak in over a century, which is spreading faster and killing more people in the U.S. than at any time since it began one year ago.
  • Highly effective vaccines that so far have reached only 4% of the public.
  • An economy struggling with 10 million jobless and millions more out of the workforce.
  • A rising tide of murders — up nearly 36% last year in major cities.
  • Federal debt the highest since World War II, as a percentage of the U.S. economy, and an annual deficit running at $2.3 trillion this year — even before Biden asks for a $1.9 trillion aid package.
  • More monthly illegal border crossings from Mexico than before Donald Trump took office, despite 453 miles of new or upgraded barriers along the nearly 2,000-mile line.
Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago

If the next administration rolls back gov debt smart money will trust this gov and move in, buying US gov bonds.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

Lol!

robbyrob Im back!
robbyrob Im back!
1 year ago

was not Trump going to Venezuela ? Record numbers of wealthy Americans are making plans to leave the U.S. after the electionhttps://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/01/wealthy-americans-plans-leaving-united-states.html

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
1 year ago

Smart money goes where it is treated best….

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
1 year ago

spent the day selling some of my favorite insurance stocks. some of them up 70% and it’s time to take money off the table. I am upping my cash position. I can feel the market fracturing day by day, money train feels shaky and my spidey sense is tingling.

QTPie
QTPie
1 year ago

This statistic does not necessarily portend a poor job market because the two stats are just two sides of the same coin. Job postings are down because less people are quitting (and therefore employers have less open jobs to post).

If you want to look at related stats which could give a more accurate “health” of the job market you can look at something like layoffs as a percent of total non-farm employment.

Wisdom Seeker
Wisdom Seeker
1 year ago
Reply to  QTPie

The whole point is that “quits down” is a behavior pattern that occurs over and over again, but only just before or in the early stages of a recession.

QTPie
QTPie
1 year ago
Reply to  Wisdom Seeker

The relationship is not clear-cut. In the 02 recession for example the quits kept falling well after the recession was over. Currently the quits rate has been falling for 2.5 years without a recession.

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
1 year ago
Reply to  QTPie

Quits-Down indicates perceived weak economic future.

Dark Artist
Dark Artist
1 year ago

Employers want a sucker who has the maximum ability possible — the ability to land on his feet running — and to pay him next to nothing. Employers are like women — they all have a 500-point bullet list of desirable traits, until they encounter reality and realize that the candidates are not gonna be like that.

Plus, what’s so great about any one employer? In this, they’re also like women. No one woman is particularly better than another, and no one employer is especially different from any other. It is the job that counts. An investment banker in Boston is going to be treated far different and better than a migrant farm laborer in California. It also helps to be a white male. They are the most respected demographic slice, by far, and for good reason. White males make this world go ’round, properly.

There are all kinds of conditions for getting and retaining a job. First of all, you have to abase yourself in the job interview. We pretend that the job interview is a neutral test of your qualifications, when really it is about three things: (1) seeing if you fit the culture of the company; (2) seeing if the interviewer likes you personally; and most of all (3) setting the tone for a master-servant relationship as you, the supplicant, go to the master who has the money and the job to offer. As with everything in life, it’s better to hold the whip hand than to be the supplicant.

(You can read more of my writings by going to: dark-dot-sport-dot-blog where -dot- represents a period …)

Xandir
Xandir
1 year ago
Reply to  Dark Artist

Know how I know you can’t get within 100 yards of a woman?

Eugene
Eugene
1 year ago
Reply to  Xandir

Or he did and was married to one and never again. Lol

Maximus Minimus
Maximus Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  Dark Artist

The third paragraph about HR selective torture techniques is spot on. HR is 99.9% women, so the previous paragraphs also apply.

RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Dark Artist

“Employers want a sucker who has the maximum ability possible — the ability to land on his feet running — and to pay him next to nothing.”

That’s how Ohtani got a $700 million contract with the Dodgers.

robbyrob Im back!
robbyrob Im back!
1 year ago

To be fair, you’re taking that comment way out of context. Listen to the full clip. He’s saying that Liz, like her father Dick, is a warmonger. She wants thousands to go to war and face down enemies who have barrels focused on them.

So if she wants to be a warmonger, she can go to a war zone, hold a gun, and face down enemies who have their guns aimed on her. It’s not an assassination call, but this election has brought out the worst in both sides. Anyone on the Left siding with the Cheneys after years of bashing them are disingenuous.
There’s no room for an ounce of splitting from a singular thought without attack. A microcosm of today’s politics. Trash behavior exists on both sides these days. And it’s on full display in the closing weeks of this cycle.

Midnight
Midnight
1 year ago

The left loves the Cheneys now. Lmao.

Xandir
Xandir
1 year ago

Interpreting scripture?

Mike T
Mike T
1 year ago

The number of openings is suspect.” Can anyone list one single government statistic in which we can have even a reasonable level of confidence?

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike T

Yes, $35.847 trillion in debt. It actually goes down to the penny.

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-debt/

Wisdom Seeker
Wisdom Seeker
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

It’s a good thing the government has bankers on the other side of that accounting, otherwise it too would be suspect.

g. stegen
g. stegen
1 year ago

All the data seem to suggest a continued gradually weakening job market. A trend that started about 2 years ago. Looks like a “soft landing” or mild recession, unless some kind of black swan event happens that triggers a panic or ??

KGB
KGB
1 year ago

The risk of a Kamala presidency has all hiring and investments on hold.

dtj
dtj
1 year ago

Whatever happened to that ‘truck driver shortage’?

Oh, that’s right, it was a media-created fantasy that never actually existed apart from the month they were trying to force truck drivers to get vaccinated.

Any other ‘worker shortage’ that did or did not actually exist has been taken care of by the tens of millions of immigrants that have arrived since 2021 when Biden took office.

Wages suppressed, and rents and housing prices went to the moon with all the immigration.

Mission accomplished!

Philbert
Philbert
1 year ago

Used to get hit up by recruiters daily… now nothing for months. Definitely a sea change.

Tony Frank
Tony Frank
1 year ago

The sky is falling. Buy “cheep” tech stochs.

KGB
KGB
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

????

Walt
Walt
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Frank

Not reading the news and buying everything is pretty good investment advice, actually.

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