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Kremlin Officials Slam the War in Ukraine, Demand Putin’s Resignation

Daily Beast: Moscow Officials Urge Putin to GTFO: ‘Everything Went Wrong’

More and more Russian officials are urging Vladimir Putin to get the hell out of the Kremlin as Moscow suffered another series of humiliating defeats in Ukraine this weekend.

Just one day after several municipal deputies in Putin’s hometown of St. Petersburg called on the State Duma to try the Russian leader for treason, their colleagues in Moscow joined in and demanded he step down because his views are “hopelessly outdated.”

The open letter to Putin from municipal deputies in the Russian capital’s Lomonosovsky district started out by seemingly trying to let him down gently, telling him he had “good reforms” in his first term and part of his second.

Demands for Putin to Step Down

MSN reports ‘We ask you to relieve yourself of your post’: Kremlin officials have begun a mutiny against Vladimir Putin

Newsweek: Putin Faces Second Revolt as Russian Officials Slam War, Demand Resignation

Moscow municipality has become the second Russian local authority this week to take the risk of calling for Vladimir Putin’s resignation.

The letter addressed to the president by council deputies at Lomonosovsky Municipal District did not directly mention Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, but did refer to how Russia had now become “feared and hated” while “aggression” has taken the country back to the “Cold War era.”

The letter also made a pointed criticism of the length of Putin’s presidency, describing how following local Moscow elections on Sunday, it was a good thing that the council’s membership would change after five years.

“In countries with regular turnover of power, people, on average, live better and longer than in those where the leader leaves office carried out in a box,” it said.

“Russia has again begun to be feared and hated, we again threaten the whole world with nuclear weapons,” it added. “We ask you to relieve yourself of your post due to the fact that your views, your management model are hopelessly outdated and hinder the development of Russia and its human potential.”

Journalist and Russia watcher Julia Davis tweeted how the council had voted on the motion and produced the letter, which was also reported by the independent Russian-language news outlet The Insider.

“Criticism of Putin is rare, & while the two motions were little more than symbolic statements, they represented a remarkable public rebuke,” Davis wrote.

Criticizing Putin so brazenly carries a considerable risk where dissent can lead to imprisonment or worse. Police in St Petersburg have said they would charge lawmakers at Smolninsky District Council in Putin’s home town after they called for the president to be charged with treason.

Military Turn of Events in Favor of Ukraine

Please consider CNN’s September 11, 2022 Russia-Ukraine News

The war appears to be entering a new phase after Ukraine dealt a big blow to Russia’s grip on parts of the east with a fast-moving offensive that saw Ukrainian troops enter the strategic city of Izium after five months of occupation.

Russian forces had to flee the strategic eastern city just five days after Ukrainian troops began a new offensive eastward through the Kharkiv region.

“Russians escaped and left weapons and ammo behind. City center is free,” a spokesperson for the Bohun Brigade of the Land Forces of Ukraine said in a statement Saturday afternoon.

Sunday, the Ukrainian military’s general staff said that Russian forces had abandoned the town of Svatove in Luhansk region, a town that until Saturday was still 40 kilometers (25 miles) beyond the known front line of the Ukrainian advance. Svatove has been an important hub on Russian resupply routes to the front lines further south – along the borders of Donetsk and Luhansk regions. “The occupiers have abandoned Svatove in Luhansk region,” the general staff’s office said in a Facebook post. “They rushed away in four Kamaz trucks, twenty Tigr AVs [armored vehicles] and stole over 20 cars of local residents.” 

Ukraine’s top military commander claimed that more than 3,000 square kilometers of territory has been retaken by the country’s military since the beginning of the month. “Since the beginning of September, more than 3,000 square kilometers have been returned to the control of Ukraine,” Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces General Valeriy Zaluzhnyi said on Sunday. Ukrainian forces have begun to advance not only to the south and east in the Kharkiv region but also to the north, Zaluzhnyi said, adding “there are 50 kilometers to go to the state border.” CNN cannot independently verify Zaluzhnyi’s claims.

Putin’s Problems Aren’t Just On the Battlefield

Politico reports Putin’s Problems Aren’t Just On the Battlefield

Ukraine’s rout of the Russian army in the northeastern region of Kharkiv presents President Vladimir Putin with a political as well as military headache.

On Sunday, Ramzan Kadyrov, the maverick and authoritarian leader of Russia’s Chechen Republic, accused Moscow’s military command of “mistakes” in the Kharkiv region, where Russian troops were hastily withdrawn from the strategically important town of Izyum and Kupiansk, a major railway junction near the border with Russia.

“Unless there are changes in the strategy for conducting the special military operation today or tomorrow, I will have to go to the leadership of the defense ministry, to the country’s leadership to explain the real situation on the ground,” he said in a recorded voice statement, published on his Telegram channel.

He is the highest level figure to openly slam the country’s top brass, but he’s far from alone.Sergei Markov, a Kremlin-connected political analyst and former parliamentarian with Putin’s ruling United Russia party, slammed Moscow’s anniversary celebrations on Saturday, during which Putin somewhat surreally inaugurated a new giant Ferris wheel before a night-time fireworks display, just as news of Ukrainian victories was spreading quickly.

Putin stepping down would likely, but not necessarily, be a very good thing. Everything would depend on who would be the replacement. 

Also, desperate leaders don’t easily bow to political pressure. Military coups are another thing. 

On the whole this seems encouraging, but how will Putin react?

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prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
The extreme propaganda around these events make as little sense as is usual in this war, if you stop to analyze the narratives being pushed (but how many bother?). Looking deeper at a variety of alternative sources (including the NYT), I believe the truth is roughly as follows:
– Over recent months Ukraine formed a reserve group of 30,000 men trained and armed by NATO
– Ukraine used half of these reserves for a counter-offensive in Kherson (in the South) and the rest at Kharkiv (in the North)
– The counter offensive at Kherson has so far been a disaster, with thousands of troops lost
– The counter-offensive in Kharkiv successfully re-took an area North of the Oskil river
– The area retaken near Kharkiv is of little strategic value and difficult to defend, hence the Russians had few troops there. It was mainly defended by local militia. About 2,000 defenders in total.
– The Ukrainians attempted to encircle the Kharkiv area defenders but failed and most escaped over the Oskil
– The claim that the Russians panicked and ran away in disarray, abandoning vast amounts of equipment, looks like pure propaganda, since the Russians weren’t even there in any numbers.
– The Russians destroyed power generation facilities in Ukraine not as revenge (as the media would have you believe) but to stop the (electric) troop trains taking the remnants of the Kharkiv attack force down to join the Kherson offensive. The Russians then destroyed these motionless trains.
– So far Russia has killed around 6,000 of the attacking force for little loss themselves (20% of the original attacking force). Doubtless there were also a huge number wounded.
Something of a debacle, in fact.
Steve333
Steve333
3 years ago
Well, since Mish gets his polling data from Nate Silver I suppose it’s no surprise he gets his Russia insights from the Daily Beast. He will be using fortune cookies as as a data source next.
kansasdude
kansasdude
3 years ago
Im slamming Putin as well as the US as being an instigator. I read a recent article about the US throwing the EU under the bus on purpose to strengthen their position which is something I already considered and wouldn’t doubt in the least.
Russia just said it was going well in the Ukraine. The US constantly says it isnt. They both lie and censor so I have no clue what’s going on.
Im also not impressed with Zelensky running aound in camo doing photo ops shaking hands with citizens in safe zones like hes a hero saving them while other areas are getting blown to hell.
Good job jackasses.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  kansasdude
Thanks for sharing. Go back to Kansas dude.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
The anti-Russia propaganda continues at pace. I have to say I’ve never seen anything like it. Our media now parrots every Ukrainian lie as fact, with zero filtering. Every month or so we hear that Ukraine is about to win the war with some new super-weapon or other. First it was the Javelin, then it was HIMARS. Now they manage to temporarily take back a small amount of lightly-held territory in a last gasp and the propagandists are at it again.
The reality is that the West and NATO have dug themselves into a hole here. Their economies are getting destroyed and they don’t know what to do. They desperately need to try and show they are winning.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Battle of the Bulge!!!!
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Yes, it is a sad situation, Comrade.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Cheap shot. I just don’t like being lied to. No great fan of Russia. Or of Ukraine.
The reality is, and always was, that Russia will win this war. So far they have only committed about 200K troops, compared to about 800K Ukrainians (mostly conscripts). It has been estimated that Ukrainian soldiers are dying at about 5 times the rate of Russians. An estimated 5000 Ukrainians have been killed during their current offensive. NATO’s only real hope is that someone does away with Putin before Ukraine runs out of canon-fodder.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
If you want to see who is lying to you, just look in the mirror.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
What will be interesting is if Putin now takes the gloves off and really goes to work on Ukraine. So far he has been remarkably restrained. Perhaps the latest attacks on Ukraine’s power supply are a harbinger – previously Russia has gone out of its way to avoid destroying civilian infrastructure.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Bring it on. Talk is cheap. Give the West a reason to really kick Putin’s arse.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
gf yourself brainwashed moron
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Thanks!
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
x1000
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
3 years ago
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Western officials ‘surprised’ by Ukraine’s rapid gains in northern counteroffensive
Kyiv notified top U.S. generals in advance of the plan to launch the two-front attack simultaneously.
09/12/2022 06:24 PM EDT
Not even the Pentagon expected Ukraine’s blitzkrieg to move so quickly.
Top Western defense officials were informed in advance that Ukraine was planning a two-front counteroffensive to retake territory captured by Russia, but they have been surprised by the blistering pace of Kyiv’s gains in the north, according to four officials with knowledge of the discussions.
Ukrainian forces rolled through lightly manned Russian posts around Kharkiv over the weekend, retaking more than 1,000 square miles around the city and pushing east — in some cases all the way up to the Russian border. Russian forces retreated from two key logistical hubs, the towns of Izyum and Kupiansk, as their ranks were depleted by the simultaneous fight in Kherson in the south.
Kyiv informed top U.S. generals in advance of the plan to launch simultaneous attacks on two fronts, according to a Ukrainian official, but both governments were shocked by the success of the northern counteroffensive.
“Everyone was surprised how the Russians ran,” said the Ukrainian government official on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive operation.
The northern offensive has been conducted by a relatively small force — just a handful of brigades with a few thousand soldiers each, according to a U.S. official and a Western diplomat. Many of the Russian outposts were manned by conscripts and lightly trained and armed troops from occupied areas of Ukraine who were overwhelmed by the firepower and armored vehicles of the approaching forces.
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JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Fell for the trap!!!!
History is repeating itself…
Battle of the bulge!!!!
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The Russians started evacuating civilians September 1.
They had an orderly withdrawal and suffered almost no casualties.
They will be back.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
I have no idea what’s happening, nor does anyone else here. One thing I do believe is that the U.S. is using this as a test bed for its weapons and systems. I hope everyone’s happy.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
And the Military-Industrial Mafia get more money for replacement weapons.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Not only that but we get Ukraine converted from 152mm artillery to NATO 155mm.
Future sales of “consumables” will be most profitable.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Oh yeah. The US/West have learned a lot about Russia’s military power by observing how they waged this war. Plus a lot of Russian armaments have been captured and will be torn down for analysis looking for weak points. Thanks Vlad!
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
3 years ago
Russian officials publicly demanding Putin resign may be trying to avoid war crime charges.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
Their risk of fatal defenestration has skyrocketed though.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Prague, 1618. Cute.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Yes, there is a window of opportunity here
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Okay. The next step should be for Ukraine and the west to carve a path to Moscow. The path now should be to free the Russian people of Putin and his despots. Time to incite the civilians in Russia for an orange revolution in Moscow. This time Putin won’t escape.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
This is what Biden’s CIA director Burns and former US ambassador to Russia wrote: “In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.”

Be careful what you wish for. You might get it!

Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Lol. This is a win for Biden right ?
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
It’s Time to Prepare for a Ukrainian Victory
The liberation of Russian-occupied territory might bring down Vladimir Putin.
By Anne Applebaum
SEPTEMBER 11, 2022, 2:55 PM ET
Russian troops are not fighting back. More than that: Offered the choice of fighting or fleeing, many of them appear to be escaping as fast as they can. For several days, soldiers and others have posted photographs of hastily abandoned military vehicles and equipment, as well as videos showing lines of cars, presumably belonging to collaborators, fleeing the occupied territories. A Ukrainian General Staff report said that Russian soldiers were ditching their uniforms, donning civilian clothes, and trying to slip back into Russian territory. The Ukrainian security service has set up a hotline that Russian soldiers can call if they want to surrender, and it has also posted recordings of some of the calls. The fundamental difference between Ukrainian soldiers, who are fighting for their country’s existence, and Russian soldiers, who are fighting for their salary, has finally begun to matter.
That difference might not suffice, of course. Ukrainian soldiers may be better motivated, but the Russians still have far larger stores of weapons and ammunition. They can still inflict misery on civilians, as they did in today’s apparent attack on the electrical grid in Kharkiv and elsewhere in eastern Ukraine. Many other cruel options—horrific options—are still open even to a Russia whose soldiers will not fight. The nuclear plant in Zaporizhzhia remains inside the battle zone. Russia’s propagandists have been talking about nuclear weapons since the beginning of the war. Although Russian troops are not fighting in the north, they are still resisting the Ukrainian offensive in the south.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The Atlantic? LMAO.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Don’t look now. There’s a whale behind you!
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Ooooh, a neocon says something about a Ukrainian victory. So, it will happen, right??!! Don’t we all know how accurate neocons have been about all the disast… er, I mean, successful wars waged under their guidance in the last 15, 20, 25 years?! LOL
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Anne Applebaum? Can you possibly find someone more ignorant with more bias?
It escapes such people that the bulk of the frontline fighting has been done by LDNR militia forces, with Russian units providing special ops & fire support. These people are fighting for their country, and are also Ukrainians, in the formal sense. Ukraine was a deeply divided country from the get go, and giving power to a minority sure has not worked out well, although power wielded by a 51% majority group intent on erasing the other minorities is also no recipe for functional societies. The whole East & South objected to the coup and voted to separate, but were forced (by the army and death squads and kidnappings, etc.) into this new regime in 2014.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
She is well educated and has written 8 books plus many articles.
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Anne Elizabeth Applebaum
Education: Yale University (BA), London School of Economics (MA), St Antony’s College, Oxford
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Now, since your complaining about the source, let’s see your bona fides, random internet poster. How many books have you written? Where were you educated? [lol]
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
As if educated equates to unbiased.
She knows which side her bread is buttered on and has always known.
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
“She is well educated and has written 8 books plus many articles.”
Yes, educated into imbecility.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
A Ukraine win will also help them kill or deport their pro-Russian citizens who do nothing but stir up troubles. This will make Ukraine a better place in the coming years!
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Joy in northeast Ukraine as residents return after Russian retreat
12 Sep 2022
Summary
• Ukraine says it recaptures 20 more settlements in a day
• Britain says Moscow probably ordered retreat across river
• Months of Russian gains unravelled within days
ZOLOCHIV, Ukraine, Sept 12 (Reuters) – Ukrainian forces swept deeper into territory seized from fleeing Russian troops on Monday and joyful residents returned to former frontline villages, while Moscow’s shells rained down on Kharkiv, setting off fires across the region’s main city.
Ukraine’s general staff said its soldiers had recaptured more than 20 towns and villages in just the past day. President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said Ukraine’s troops had retaken 6,000 square kilometers (2,400 square miles) of Russian-held land since the start of the month, twice the figure given just a day earlier.
In the south, Ukrainian troops repelled attempted Russian advances in two important areas of the Donetsk region – the city of Bakhmut and Maiorsk, near the coal-producing town of Horlivka, the general staff said in an evening update.
“People are crying, people are joyful, of course. How could they not be joyful!” said retired English teacher Zoya, 76, in the now-quiet village of Zolochiv, north of Kharkiv and 18 km (10 miles) from the Russian frontier, weeping as she described the months she had spent sheltering in the cellar.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The people I’ve seen on videos are so hysterical that it reminds me of professions of grief at the passing of Kim Jung Il — Fear!
Most of the Russian population has fled, either in the past, or during the evacuation.
Kiev has always wanted to cancel the other half of the population.
In Ukraine it was normal to talk about the extermination of Russians speaking Ukrainians on public TV, even the president talked gleefully about how their children would be cowering basement dwellers. It is not for nothing that civil war came about.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
3 years ago
Putin is not in any danger of being outed. But, if he was, it would be a very bad thing. Putin’s replacement would not be a pro west dupe that celebrates drag queen story hour in grade schools. He would be a hardliner, far to the right of Putin.
The only thing this victory has caused is a rethinking of the SMO strategy. Things from here on will be getting worse for Ukraine, not better. They won this battle but the war was always going to be won by Russia. The only question is, how much will Ukraine have to suffer.
Note the change in tactics has already taken place where civilan electric power station were hit and shut down power in Eastern Ukraine. This wasn’t some petty revenge for the lost battle. It was a new sign of things to come where civilian infrastructurewont is spared if it serves a military objective. Shutting off power stopped the electric powered trains that were transporting tanks and equipment from the battle around Izium in the North down towards Donetsk. Russian then attacked the stopped trains destroying lots of NATO weapons Like I said, things for Ukraine just got worse.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Putin’s replacement had better be Pro-West if they want to get sanctions removed. Of course, that will also require them to pay for all the damages they caused in Ukraine. Something like approaching $500 billion.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
LOL. Remove what sanctions? As if Russia cares about any of that crap! Right now, it is the EU that is getting ready to be frozen to death in the coming winter! So, it should be clear who is calling the shots here, eh?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
What if they don’t want to be Pro-West?
What if they want to have their own country and do business with the rest of the World.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago

Putin is destroying himself. We have no choice in the matter.

SmokeyXIII
SmokeyXIII
3 years ago
As an American, let’s keep fighting to the last Ukrainian. In Jesus name we pray, Amen.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  SmokeyXIII
Once all the Ukrainians are gone does Russia move in or rent it to Belarus?
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Ukraine’s rout of the Russian army
They started pull out the first of September, apparently.
If this is a rout, where are the corpses and captured platoons?
It is the UAF that is making all the sacrifices.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej

… and taking all the land. Who wants corpses or prisoners when the invaders will run off on their own two feet?

8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Dog 78
Billy
Billy
3 years ago
In the beginning of this war, all of the USA media outlets reports the exact same message at the exact time. That Putin started this war against Ukraine.
Notice that the media didn’t talk much about how innocent citizens could possible fight back against tanks and fighter jets with the same kind of guns that the US government is trying to ban from it’s citizens.
So the media said it was Putin who did all of this and not Russia.
Remember that Russia came from the promise of a classless society where a state is no longer necessary and collectivized production is able to provide such a surplus of all life’s necessities that money becomes obsolete as a medium of exchange and everyone gets everything they need. They believed the establishment of such a society would be a natural consequence of the same historical processes that developed out of feudalism and capitalism.
I thought since the beginning that the reason why the media blamed this all on Putin is that one day Putin can be eliminated in this equation then Russia could become our ally and we would forgive them.
I also noticed that nations NOT belonging to the World Economic Forum happened to be nations who are control freeks. Basically communist countries promising to be socialist but calling themselves something else. North Korea, China, Russia. Them along with other nations who didn’t like the fact that their financial transactions could be frozen by the USA if they didn’t do what we liked. That’s what’s now known as the BRICS.
So I’d like to know from people living in BRICS nations what their views are about the Russia/Ukraine war.
Max
Max
3 years ago
Reply to  Billy
Interesting, people in our country think that we are a free country and other countries are communist/fascist.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reading Daily Beast, I am fascinated by propaganda for the mindless masses. Allison Quinn (editor/writer of Moscow Officials Urge Putin to GTFO) actually writes, ‘More and more Russian officials are urging Vladimir Putin to get the hell out of the Kremlin.’ Which is it, GTHO or GTFO? That’s just sloppy.
But wait, it gets worse… Let’s look at ‘more and more’. Allison, then says, “…several municipal deputies’ so that is 2 or 3. They are joined by ‘colleagues’ in Moscow . How many? Another TWO or THREE? So four or five are ‘more and more’? Critical thinking runs rampant in left and right media. How many crackpot letters does Zelensky receive every day? How many make the news?
GaryL
GaryL
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I’m so glad to hear that our “Russian sources” are there in the Kremlin to tell us exactly what’s happening between the top generals/officials and Putin. It’s the first information we’ve gotten regarding the Russian side of things since the war began in February. And thankfully, they aren’t nearly as good at disinformation as is the CIA. Because we all know that all Americans are smart and all Russians are stupid. I’ll wait to see what happens after the fact, and even then I probably won’t believe it.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  GaryL
Ignore the “FACT” the “SIDELINE” Russian General was sitting next Putin, when the joint exercises were going on..
All the “WEST PROPAGANDA” media had claimed the “GENERAL” had been sidelined and isolated by Putin for “LOOSING” in Ukraine..
The “FACT” don’t meet the “PROPAGANDA” being pushed by the west MSM/INTEL agencies!!!!
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I’m fascinated by your love for a lying, despotic, genocidal regime.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Doesn’t matter. He’s saying he doesn’t trust the propaganda, and I agree. The truth is the first casualty of war.
Counter
Counter
3 years ago
Mysterious series of deaths among Russian oligarchs

Seven Russian oligarchs, many involved with oil and gas, have recently died under mysterious circumstances. Though suicide is officially suspected, speculation about the Kremlin’s involvement abounds.

Whodunnit: 2 Russian oligarchs, their families found dead within 24 hours
The bodies of banking magnate Vladislav Avayev and his wife and daughter were discovered in Moscow. Less than a day later, gas executive Sergei Protosenya was found hanged in Spain with his wife and daughter stabbed to death.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Counter
Ukrainian hit teams or CIA/SIS (MI6) -funded contract assassins? Killing the families is to send a message to other oligarchs.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
More like punishment for disloyalty to Putin. Sends a message.
Jackula
Jackula
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I think you are right, Chairman Xi has been eliminating or forcefully controlling his billionaires for a while now as well
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Counter
Unlikely. No Novichok found.
GaryL
GaryL
3 years ago
There are plenty of sources, mostly not MSM, surprise surprise, that say Putin bowed to the hardliners in Russia by invading Ukraine, and that if VP goes, the hardliners will seize power and the war there will escalate into a nuclear exchange very quickly. Not surprising, since war games involving nuclear powers conclude that if one side is about to lose a confrontation, the cornered rat will nuke its way out of the corner. Since the other side is obviously a US proxy and the US has recently been humiliated leaving Afghanistan, the opposite likely goes if Russia is about to win. The best we can hope for is this quagmire lasts forever. Good luck with that.
SAKMAN
SAKMAN
3 years ago
Reply to  GaryL
Our only hope is that Russia realizes it has a whole country available to it with massive resources. Which is kind of the opposite of a corner.
The problem they face is a value system that results in massive inefficiencies and massive (human window tossing) corruption.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN
“Our”???
“What you mean ‘WE’ Lone Ranger?”
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN
The whole country you speak of is growing tired of Putin’s genocidal nonsense. Propaganda and lies only get you the dumbest third.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Is that the sound of a knee jerking? LOL
SAKMAN
SAKMAN
3 years ago
The next step is for Russia to use tactical nukes.
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
Where is that Brussels guy anyway?
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN
All the speculation about (tactical) nukes is completely unhinged speculation. Get a grip.
SAKMAN
SAKMAN
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
I hope you are correct.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN
He’s actually a Russian plant.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN
Comrade Yoda is at western front, bravely running away to mother russia!
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Moving fast 70 km south, using scout vehicles and 4×4 jeeps, without armor protection, might be short lived,
a blip on Ukraine map. Fierce battles are raging all over the place. The Russian might sandwich Ukraine special forces, as general Sharon did in Oct War 1973 to Egypt’s third Army. We don’t know what will happen next. All we know is that Kharkiv will freeze this winter.
davebarnes2
davebarnes2
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
OK, let’s run with your assumption. Ukraine loses 200 men. Insignificant in the entire scheme.
And, Ukraine has take the east side of Kupyansk so the distance to Svatove is just 30 miles. a few hours travel for a tank.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  davebarnes2
200 ??
I heard about 32000 casualties the past two weeks in three waves.
200 does not fill all the hospitals for hundreds of kilometers and require immediate blood drives.
Crenvy
Crenvy
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Exactly. Ukraine paid dearly for that land, they are losing brigades pero week now instead of per month. This looks more like the Battle of the Bulge where Ukraine is playing the role of Germany.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
XIII. Through anger and internal hatreds, the exiles
will hatch a great plot against the king.
Secretly they will place enemies as a threat,
and his own old (adherents) will find sedition against them.
XIV. From the enslaved populace, songs, chants and demands,
while Princes and Lords are held captive in prisons.
These will in the future by headless idiots
be received as divine prayers
XV. Mars threatens us with the force of war
and will cause blood to be spilt seventy times.
The clergy will be both exalted and reviled moreover,
by those who wish to learn nothing of them.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reading this, one has to wonder. In a FACEBOOK post “…the Ukrainian military’s general staff said that Russian forces
had abandoned the town of Svatove… 40 kilometers (25 miles) beyond the known front line
of the Ukrainian advance. Svatove has been an important hub on Russian
resupply routes to the front lines…. The occupiers… rushed away in four Kamaz trucks, twenty Tigr AVs [armored
vehicles] and stole over 20 cars of local residents.”
It is easy to jump to conclusions when we don’t know which version of Kamaz truck. A Tigr Av seats about 10 (so 200+/-) plus 20 stolen cars.
Is it written to imply cowardly Russians deserting the battlefield? It does seem that way. A few things, however, do seem clear–Russian forces lack the typical 4 to 1 advantage of attack over defense; and the Russian advance created a relatively narrow corridor which is hard to defend–largely open to the west.
Anyone seen any current satellite photos?
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Tactical withdraw to draw in the Ukrainians, inside the kill box!!!
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
AAPL closed Aug 26/29 gap. Aug 17 high is #3 LPSY…watchout.
phil
phil
3 years ago
if this comes to pass, the Dow will be up 3000 points within 24 hours.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  phil
And oil will drop like a rock and biden will look like a hero. Cue for the repubs to start looking for a new boogeyman.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Brandon will never “look like a hero”. Do you think that just cleaning up your own mess makes you a hero? If so, you might be a liberal.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Not because of a failure to have a grand plan, because Biden never had one to get elected. Elections are NOT about positive messages–they are about control of the media.
Biden will look like a hero because the MSM will paint him as a hero just in time for the mid-terms. Meanwhile, the Biden family corruption in Ukraine will go unreported and uninvestigated by DOJ/FBI, while they relentlessly hound Trump. The mindless masses will fall in line. With control of the House, Senate, and Pres. Cluster Fudge, I expect Democraps to run the US into the ground.
Tell me that Zelensky does not have Biden over a barrel?
phil
phil
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Putin has Europe over a barrel. It could be a catastrophe. It looks that way.
phil
phil
3 years ago
Reply to  phil
To add on: Berlin’s lows in October are in the 40s. November the 30s. Here’s my question: when does the major unrest start, and when does Martial Law begin to go into place in various capitals and large cities? Btw: how will Germany dispose of our fellow deceased. When I say fellow, I say that in the kindest, social and respectful way. This came up in a post, maybe zerohedge last month. But truly, how will they dispose of the bodies, which are usually cremated — 90% of the time? Burial at sea? Are they digging graves before everything freezes over? If things keep going the way they are, will Sally Struthers appear in adds, showing a German nuclear family, and you can help them with pumpernickel and sausage each month, for a $20 donation?
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Papa Dave will not be very happy should this happen! [lol]
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
As I have said many times: the war in Ukraine can end anytime. Which may cause a short term drop in oil prices. But it will not change the fundamental long term scenario for oil. Demand continues to increase while supply is constrained. Global inventories continue to drop. The upward pressure on prices will remain for the rest of this decade.
US and Canadian oil and gas firms will keep gushing cash flow (at rates of 30% to 45%) and will keep paying down debt till its gone. They will keep buying back shares and they will continue to increase dividend payouts. Even if the war ends.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45

how a about illegal immigrant transexuals in electric cars? That should get the chuckleheads fired up!

Nuddernoitall
Nuddernoitall
3 years ago
Daily Beast and Politico are left-leaning media outlets. CNN has a long long history of their bias. Is the information they are touting accurate and un-biased two months prior to mid-terms? Maybe. Maybe not. I would tend to believe these media outlets more often, if they were not political shills for the current administration.
I would say in the “fog of war,” with “war” representing the 60 day timeframe between now and election day, a lot of national and international “news” will be cranked out. Discerning truth from half-truth to fiction will be a challenge.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Nuddernoitall
I purposely did not comment on this story until multiple MSM reports followed. One of the articles posted a link to the letter to Putin but I have no idea if it is genuine or the translation is correct.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
If MSM put it out so close to the elections it is neither real nor translated correctly. How many times until we learn that liberals are pathological liars?
footwedge
footwedge
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
You’re right, the Republicans are noted for their truthfulness and honesty (Snicker.)
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
How many kooks can dance on the head of a pin?
And why are y’all so ardently in support of the enemies of our country? You’re a bunch of fat, hairy old Hanoi Janes.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Some are calling it a joke.
Note: I don’t know how many signed it. I suspect only a few ‘deputies’.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I also see reports that Dmitry Palyuga and some people involved have been fined. It does seem a minor incident blown out of proportion by the west, but that’s a guess on my part. The territory loss is 20 miles by 20 miles, and may not be that important.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The translation on Twitter. May or may not be accurate
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Moby Dick is winning and will sink the Pequod.
twistertim
twistertim
3 years ago
Reply to  Nuddernoitall
Remember,The MSM had Putin soon to be dead from Cancer not too long ago in an set of coordinated media talking points. This MSM “WAR” stuff is more of the same. Not to be trusted. All western outlets carry the same story, almost word for word. It is Election Season !!
wmjack50
wmjack50
3 years ago
Putin the gang leader of the Russian Government will go the way of a Mafia Don —a Hit will take him out –however the next Don will take his place unless the Russian people convince the police and army to write a new constitution remove the justice system etc. and form a new type of Government
GaryL
GaryL
3 years ago
Reply to  wmjack50
…and the chances of your conclusion are zero.
Max
Max
3 years ago
Sad that Mish is quoting fake news outlet like; Daily Beast. But then he regularly quote fake news MSM which includes wsj. We are a propaganda brain washed country
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Max
Well tell us where the right source of information is, don’t leave us all hanging…which propaganda outlet do you recommend?
Max
Max
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Sorry, all mainstream outlets are propaganda. Choose your pick.
Unless you are an intuitive or psychic.
davebarnes2
davebarnes2
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
DailyKos.com has been providing excellent coverage with lots of citations.
The most measured reporting (but, at least 24 hours behind events) is at UnderstandingWar.org
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  davebarnes2
Dailykos? LOL
nrm
nrm
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
I believe that the right source of information is the opposite of what the MSM is saying.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Max
Are you trying to get booted?
Have a better source? I listed all the articles. Care to rebut any of them?
I am very aware this could be propaganda, but it is clear Ukraine is taking back territory. That kind of news is hard to suppress even in Russia.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Putin will leave in a box. That’s the price of failure for a leader in Russia.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Correct. So expect very desperate measures to be under taken before that happens. It’s one of the biggest reasons I expect nukes / chemical / biological weapons to be used.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I expect them too and so do many in Europe. Putin basically said that to the European visitors and in phone calls. For some reason it had the opposite effect than what he expected.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
What do you think he expected that announcement to do?
I can only surmise he wanted the European powers + USA not to field boots on the ground to oppose Russian forces. He had to be worried that there would be a repeat of Desert Storm when the US + Europe responded to Iraq conquering Kuwait by making a military buildup then invading and wiping out the Iraq forces.
If that was the idea, it succeeded. It just didn’t win the war since US military equipment > Russian military equipment so just supplying equipment has been enough to stalemate Russia.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Putin despises democracies and think they are weak. Others have made the same mistake. He expected that Europe would give in to Putin’s demands in order to keep Russian energy flowing. He especially expected that the politicians would be so worried that they would not furnish Ukraine with arms or support. That too was a mistake because European leaders quickly saw this as an existential threat and almost immediately began to transfer arms to Ukraine. The third mistake Putin made is that he didn’t know that the extensive sanction package had already been worked out and to put it in place and just needed the trigger to be pulled. Lastly he vastly overestimated his own forces which proved incapable of doing even a tenth of what he thought they could do. Direct Nato intervention was not needed then.
Nato was worried about Putin’s designs by early 2021 planed in consequence. The unknown was Ukraine and when they showed they could hold then they got everything they needed or more. Sometimes I wonder if Putin walked into a trap in 2014 and the trap was sprung in February 2022.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Maybe what you say is true, who knows what he really thought.
My money is on him over estimating the combat readiness of his own forces and just how good US equipment is. The initial invasion went very well until US equipment turned back the Russians at the gates of Kiev and the Russians didn’t bring enough gas/bullets to press on. Then they changed objectives to securing territory in the East.
I don’t think he cared if they sent equipment because he thought it would be over before it mattered as long as no European/US forces entered Ukraine. It’s only after his forces bogged down due to logistics that he realized how good US stuff was. By then it was too late and sanctions had started etc.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
He thought that the Russian army would be welcomed with open arms. He thought that because that is what the FSB and his military intelligence service was telling him. We do have proof because they kept saying it on Russian TV before the invasion. Putin didn’t know the true state of his armed forces either. Putin is the typical tyrant as described by Plato 2,400 years ago. To stay in power they have to eliminate rivals and consequently they remove all those that could give sound advice leaving them with just yes men who to keep there place have to tell the tyrant what he wants to hear. Putin did not have good information on the Ukrainians, his army, the true state of the Russian economy and the response of the West and especially Germany. Plato also said that as tyrants get older they become reckless and obsessive about their legacy. That is Putin to a T.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
How, exactly, do you know what Putin despises? Is there a speech you can cite? As to what Putin ‘expects’… No, you ‘expect’.
IMHO, the US has a puppet in charge, and a bimbo waiting in the wings. Russia has a Rasputin. Both are dangerous.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Perhaps you should read some of the articles he wrote in 2021.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Please cite ‘some of the articles he wrote in 2021’. Enough with the broad generalities.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Do your own research. They are easy to find.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
The Russian army is not like Sadam’s.
Do you think they will sit around for 6 months while the build up takes place?
And what do you think will happen when 40,000 NATO troops are taken out in 14 days, as per the war gamers’ scenario’s.
Delusional.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Excluding Russia playing the nuclear card, the US forces would wipe the floor with the Russian forces.
Desert Storm proved that no army could ever again oppose the US in a conventional war. People forget now, but at the time of Desert Storm the Iraqi army was the 4th largest in the world (after US, Russia and China) and battle hardened from a decade of conflict with Iran. The coalition forces were probably outnumbered 3 or 4 to 1 but the US equipment was 10x better than anything Iraq had so they wiped them out effortlessly.
The US spends more than 10x what Russia spends on it’s military (800ish billion to 70 billion). There is no way Russia can compete in a conventional war spending 1/10 the amount of money.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Then, there is Afghanistan. Tribal warriors hiding in mountains with marginal armament. The same warriors held back Alexander, and Russia, among others. BTW, Bush made the right call to attack Iraq–the goal was to send a message to Moslem states. Trust me, the US military knew Iraq was low hanging fruit in advance–but said otherwise to make a Pyrrhic victory.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
The US sent OVERWHELMING force into Iraq, at least a 4 to 1 force multipier. We see it in air combat and tank engagements, for example. The forces in Ukraine pitch similar Russian (attack) against Ukraine (defense)–not a smart move. I assume the reason was not to bring NATO into the conflict.
SAKMAN
SAKMAN
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
This, if you can’t win take them all with you.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Yup, just like the USA did in WW2.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
The USA killed civilians with their atomic weapons. That was an accepted tactic by all sides in WWII. Not sure that’s the way anyone does things anymore (it’s all hearts and minds now) so if they are used, I’m expecting tactical nukes on the battlefield, not ICBMs into civilians.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
This battlefield is where civilians live, and the Russians will just lie about collateral damage.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
Without sounding self righteous, let’s not forget the rape of Nanking, Changi Prison camp, Bataan Death march, December 7th…
dtj
dtj
3 years ago
Grain of salt with all these Ukraine/Russia stories being peddled by the MSM outlets.
No major news about Ukraine for weeks and all of a sudden we start getting news about how they’re winning the war. And now we hear Putin is about to be overthrown. Yeah, right!
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  dtj
Even Russian media is talking about the reverses so maybe it is true don’t you think?
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
In cloud kookoo land, All things are possible .
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  dtj
Ukraine took back territory. That is NOT winning the war and I never said so. It is a major change and widely understood. The implications should be understood as well.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
3 years ago
Reply to  dtj
I agree. MSM has been cheering for Ukraine as USA’s puppet from the start. Let’s all just forget that the USA started all this by fomenting the color revolution. Let’s all just ignore that the US has been pushing Ukraine toward NATO. Why do we have to do that? Why just keep poking the bear? Russia had been well behaved for a long time before we did that. Oh, and what did the USA do when the Soviet Union tried to put missiles on our border? That’s right, we got directly involved in blockading them and told them to remove the missiles or risk nuclear war. WHY are Americans so damned hypocritical? Russia needs a border buffer country just like we do.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  dtj
They’ve been destroying Russian supply lines with HIMARS for a month in preparation for rolling over the unsupported troops. Just like they said they were.
dbannist
dbannist
3 years ago
There are only two possible outcomes to this in my opinion:

1. Putin becomes ever more desperate and more willing to take desperate measures. I do not believe for a moment he will use nuclear weapons as that will guarantee instant defeat. That’s a red line he will not cross. I see him cutting off all of Europe access to everything including oil, resources, etc. This is done in retaliation to Europe who is supplying Ukraine. Ukraine would have fallen entirely months ago if not for that.
2. Putin suddenly disappears and a replacement is found. A withdrawal from Ukraine immediately ensues in a way that best saves face for Russia.

Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
He will cut all gas and oil now and that will make no difference in the end result. His gambit is failing.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
On what is this based?
Why would they withdraw … Putin has been under pressure for 8 years by hawks to do something about the war in Donbas?
Putin may be the only reason there is not a full out war yet.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
‘We have already lost’: far-right Russian bloggers slam military failures
Military pro-war bloggers with frontline contacts offer rare insight into Russia’s performance on ground
Thu 8 Sep 2022 08.35 EDT
“The war in Ukraine will continue until the complete defeat of Russia,” Igor Girkin, a far-right nationalist, grumbled in a video address to his 430,000 followers on Telegram on Monday. “We have already lost, the rest is just a matter of time.”
Girkin, a former Russian intelligence colonel who became a commander of the pro-Russian separatist forces in 2014, is arguably the most prominent voice within an increasingly loud and angry group of ultra-nationalist and pro-war bloggers who have taken to berating the Kremlin for its failure to achieve its tactical objectives as the fighting in Ukraine has entered its seventh month.
….
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
“On the whole this seems encouraging, but how will Putin react?”
And China.
IF Xi and Putin BFFs (supposedly)… and Xi determines alternate to Putin not to his liking … will he stand idly by while Russia moves to some sort of Pro West leader??
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
“… will (Xi) stand idly by while Russia moves to some sort of Pro West leader?”
Since this would put the kibosh on a Taiwan takeover, I think, NO!
Assuming Putin still has a few cards to play, why the apparent retreat when Ukraine does not appear to have overwhelming force? Perhaps Putin is backing off to keep NATO from playing a bigger role? Can he do more damage by playing the energy/food card? Sit back and watch riots in the EU.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Xi is trying to play both sides. He doesn’t want sanctions brought against his already struggling economy, so he is trying to not fall off the high wire he is walking between the West and Russia.
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Russia ‘at the end of its rope’ as China turning its back on Putin over ammunition deal
RUSSIA is “at the end of its rope” in Ukraine as Moscow seemingly turned to North Korea to buy its ammunitions after China refused to military support Russia in its invasion of Ukraine.
Sep 7, 2022
Deputy Director of the Atlantic Council’s Center for Strategy and Security Matthew Kroenig said Russia is out of ammunition and the fact that China refuses to send its weapons to Moscow suggests that Russia is now “at the end of its rope”. He explained that the move from China might indicate that US and Europe sanctions are working and argued Beijing’s step back in support of Russia might be because China is “worried they could become victims of US sanctions” if they directly support Moscow. The comments came after declassified American intelligence revealed that Russia is now buying millions of artillery shells and rockets from North Korea.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
XI will meet with Putin in Kazakhstan!!!!
Watch China reaffirm its support for Russia..
All the delussional people in the West MSM/Intel and on this site will severily disappointed in the next few weeks as Russia retake the parts of the Ukraine they withdrew from after a massive artillery and missile barrages for several weeks!!!
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
China isn’t going to get a free pass…
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September 12, 2022
Exclusive: Biden to hit China with broader curbs on U.S. chip and tool exports
WASHINGTON, Sept 11(Reuters) – The Biden administration plans next month to broaden curbs on U.S shipments to China of semiconductors used for artificial intelligence and chipmaking tools, several people familiar with the matter said.
The Commerce Department intends to publish new regulations based on restrictions communicated in letters earlier this year to three U.S. companies — KLA Corp (KLAC.O), Lam Research Corp (LRCX.O) and Applied Materials Inc (AMAT.O), the people said, speaking on the condition of anonymity. The plan for new rules has not been previously reported.
The letters, which the companies publicly acknowledged, forbade them from exporting chipmaking equipment to Chinese factories that produce advanced semiconductors with sub-14 nanometer processes unless the sellers obtain Commerce Department licenses.
The rules would also codify restrictions in Commerce Department letters sent to Nvidia Corp (NVDA.O) and Advanced Micro Devices (AMD.O) last month instructing them to halt shipments of several artificial intelligence computing chips to China unless they obtain licenses.
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
How will Putin react? I’m guessing a murdering spree. The people who signed that thing better be ready.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Putin can’t kill the entire military hierarchy but this whole thing has been an embarrassment for Russia and while I know little to nothing about Ukraine, I have to hand it to them for their tenacity and perseverance.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Stalin did. He purged his entire officer corp during the 30s. It’s one big reason Russia wasn’t ready for WWII.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Putin is not Stalin, can’t even beat Ukraine. Ukraine had GDP of 155 billion. Russia 1.7 trillion. Speak volumes.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Stalin didn’t preside over a nation of alcoholic losers.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
He does not need to kill the entire military hierarchy, just enough to send a message to the rest. For example, how many would have to be beheaded in DOJ/FBI for the rest to do their jobs without political bias? My bet is a half-dozen or less.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Karina Castro: Woman beheaded by man with a sword on Bay Area street had restraining order against him
Jose Solano Landaeta, a former boyfriend of the dead mother, was arrested by police shortly after the incident for homicide
10 Sep 2022
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Is this relevant, other than the method.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
As relevant as any of your comments.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
You’re treasonous, and it’s not a good look.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
The west has been funding the Ukraine side of the war. We are already at war with Russia because of it.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
Well the US has GPD of 20 trillion and Europe 22.9 trillion. So Russia has a 43 trillion fight on it’s hand, too bad it only brought 1.7 trillion (and falling) to the fight. It’s like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Try doing without a few pennies of drinking water for a week.
GDP means nothing, 100% of GDP is energy dependent: try plowing by hand again.
The economy is about real stuff, not financial assets or accounts kept on paper.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Have you ever compared industrial plant of the US and Europe to Russia’s? Have you looked at Europe’s present energy mix? If had you would not be saying things like that.
SmokeyXIII
SmokeyXIII
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
That’s the exact same argument that Americans made for how we’d defeat the Taliban in a week or two.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
How many of those trillions are due to moving financial jello around the plate? Russia is probably the most self-sufficient large country in the entire world. Almost whatever they need, they can grow/mine/drill/extract/manufacture. What percentage of your house and the things in it, are made in the US? Everything from a fricking doornail to the garage door is made elsewhere.

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