Let’s discuss Greenland, NATO, and Trump’s respect for signed treaties.
Military Experts Disagree With Trump
The Wall Street Journal reports Military Experts Reject Trump’s Logic That U.S. Must Own Greenland to Defend It
“When we own it, we defend it. You don’t defend leases the same way. You have to own it,” Trump said Friday. “And we’ll have to defend Greenland. If we don’t do it, China or Russia will.”
But military officials and diplomats say the U.S. has built the world’s most formidable assembly of overseas military bases without owning foreign soil.
The Defense Department manages or uses more than 128 foreign bases in at least 51 countries, according to a Congressional Research Service report from 2024. Independent analyses have said the total number, including smaller facilities, could top 750 installations in 80 countries and territories. Many date to World War II and the Cold War.
In almost all cases, land is provided by host countries under bilateral agreements, without a change of ownership. Host countries generally permit the U.S. to build and operate facilities, as spelled out in detailed diplomatic documents.
“We don’t need ‘ownership’ in order to conduct all the operations we would like to do,” said retired Navy Adm. James Stavridis, a former supreme allied commander of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
According to the Pentagon, more than 53,000 active-duty troops are stationed in bases across Japan and more than 36,000 are in Germany. Landstuhl Regional Medical Center there is the Pentagon’s largest overseas medical facility, treating servicemembers from across the hemisphere. The adjacent Ramstein Air Base employs more than 12,000 servicemembers and civilians on approximately 4,000 acres.
Over the past 15 or so years the Pentagon has shifted away from running its own large overseas installations to using sites belonging to allies and partners, an approach dubbed “places, not bases,” according to the congressional report.
And of course, Denmark is part of NATO. Every NATO nation would be obligated to defend Greenland if Russia or China tried to take it.
So Trump’s claim that Russia or China would take Greenland is idiotic.
But Trump does not care what anyone thinks so the next report is unsurprising.
Trump Not Persuaded to Abandon Greenland Pursuit
Please note the expected reaction Trump Not Persuaded to Abandon Greenland Pursuit After White House Talks
Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio hosted the Danish and Greenlandic foreign ministers at the White House in the midst of an extraordinary standoff between the U.S. and its closest allies over the future of the island of 57,000 people. Political leaders in Greenland, a semiautonomous territory of the Danish kingdom, have repeatedly insisted that their home isn’t for sale after Trump’s plans sparked blowback.
A few hours later, Trump reiterated his position that the U.S. needs Greenland for security purposes. “There’s not a thing that Denmark can do about it if Russia or China wants to occupy Greenland,” he told reporters. “But there’s everything we can do. You found that out last week with Venezuela…I can’t rely on Denmark being able to fend themselves off.”
U.S. lawmakers, including some from Trump’s own party, are piling on. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) said Trump’s Greenland aims are “incinerating the hard won trust of loyal allies in exchange for no meaningful change across the Arctic.”
“Following through on this provocation would be more disastrous for the president’s legacy than withdrawing from Afghanistan was for his predecessor,” McConnell added.
Sens. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and Lisa Murkowski, a Republican from Alaska, on Tuesday proposed legislation that would block the U.S. military from occupying the territory of North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies.
“The mere notion that America would use our vast resources against our allies is deeply troubling and must be wholly rejected by Congress in statute,” Murkowski said.
Europe Deploys Troops to Greenland
Reuters reports Europeans Send Troops to Greenland as Trump Presses Claim
European countries sent small numbers of military personnel to Greenland on Thursday as Denmark said it was pressing on with plans for a “larger and more permanent” NATO presence to secure the island coveted by U.S. President Donald Trump.
The modest European deployments, meant to help Denmark prepare military exercises, sent a strong message of support a day after a meeting of officials from the U.S., Denmark and Greenland failed to reach any breakthrough on the impasse.
Denmark’s defence minister, Troels Lund Poulsen, told journalists in Copenhagen on Thursday he did not have a final figure for the envisaged expanded NATO presence in Greenland.
“But it is clear that we now will be able to plan for a larger and more permanent presence throughout 2026 and that is crucial to show that security in the Arctic is not only for the Kingdom of Denmark, it is for all of NATO.”
Prominent EU countries have backed Denmark, warning that a U.S. military seizure of a territory in NATO could spell the end of the military alliance that Washington leads.
The European military deployment to Greenland sent two messages to the U.S. administration, Marc Jacobsen, an associate professor at the Royal Danish Defence College, said.
“One is to deter, is to show that ‘if you decide to do something militarily, we’re ready to defend Greenland’,” he told Reuters.
“And the other purpose is to say: ‘Well, we take your critique seriously, we increase our presence, take care of our sovereignty, and improve surveillance over Greenland’.”
Deployments Small
The scale of the planned European military build-up has not been made public, but initial deployments are tiny.
Germany is sending 13 and France 15 according to Reuters.
Is War with Germany, France, and the UK on Your Bingo Card?
NATO has 32 members (Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Montenegro, Netherlands, North Macedonia, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States.)
All 32 countries all committed to defend each other if attacked. The US would be obliged to declare war on itself.
This is why the threat of Trump to just take Greenland by force is idiotic.
If Trump orders an invasion of Greenland, the troops need to understand they are obligated to disobey illegal orders.
No Respect for Treaties, Anything Really
Trump has no use for treaties, even those he initiated.
The USMCA deal with Mexico and Canada comes to mind. USMCA was proposed by Trump, ratified by the Senate 89-10, and President Trump signed the legislation into U.S. law during a White House ceremony on January 29, 2020.
Trump then took the treaty and trashed it.
Let’s not mince words. There is no point to agreeing to any deal with Trump because Trump is a proven repeat liar.
Trump has no respect for his own deals, US signed treaties, the law, or the Constitution. And that is where we are.
USMCA Trump Flashback October 1, 2018
Late last night, our deadline, we reached a wonderful new Trade Deal with Canada, to be added into the deal already reached with Mexico. The new name will be The United States Mexico Canada Agreement, or USMCA. It is a great deal for all three countries, solves the many deficiencies and mistakes in NAFTA, greatly opens markets to our Farmers and Manufacturers, reduces Trade Barriers to the U.S. and will bring all three Great Nations together in competition with the rest of the world. The USMCA is a historic transaction!
Does anyone have any questions regarding the greatness, importance, and historic nature of USMCA to farmers and manufacturers?
Q&A on the Greatness of USMCA
Q: Is 250 percent on cheese fair?
A: It’s not 250 percent. It’s tiered, and embedded into USMCA.
Q: Who signed USMCA?
A: Trump
Q: Who is responsible for this arrangement?
A: Trump
Q: Didn’t Trump brag that USMCA was the best trade deal in history?
A: Yes
Q: Is Trump a good deal maker?
A: Apparently not, by his own admission
Q: Will Trump honor the USMCA deal ratified 89-10 by the Senate and signed by himself?
A: No
Q: Will Trump honor any deal he signs?
A: You tell me, but no one can expect that
Q: Is there a massive lost in trust that Trump will honor any deals he signs
A: Yes
It was such a great deal that Trump thanked Mexico and Canada. Notably USMCA is “Good for everybody – Farmers, Manufacturers, Energy, Unions – tremendous support. Importantly, we will finally end our Country’s worst Trade Deal, NAFTA!”
It “greatly opened markets to our farmers” and it even paid for the wall! And it will bring three great nations together!
Lesson from Mark Twain
Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example. Mark Twain, The Tragedy of Pudd’nhead Wilson (1894)
Nonetheless, true supporters simultaneously believe USMCA was a great deal for the US and the same deal is now a bad deal for the US.
Please recall Cheese Was a “Key Achievement” of Trump’s USMCA Trade Agreement
Trump is complaining about Canada’s cheese tariffs. In 2018, he was bragging about cheese.
In case you think that Canada broke the treaty, read the above post for a detailed rebuttal.
Repeating Where We Stand
Trump has no respect for his own deals, US signed treaties, the law, or the Constitution.
And that is where we are.
I believe Trump just stated that he’s imposing a 10% tariff on 8 major Europeans countries because they oppose the US purchase of Greenland. Those tariffs rise to 25% by June 1 if he’s not allowed to buy Greenland by then.
Trump’s insane.
Trump is closing all the doors our enemies have planned to use against us when Taiwan is directly threatened . Iran and China were counting on Venezuela after ten years of cooperation as a threat to our Panama Canal and Gulf refineries and–terror cells in USA Greenland is another strategic location that needs to be removed from their plans as well
Can you offer any proof or are you just delusional?
China says they are going to take Taiwan. China has lent billions of dollars to Venezuela, Iran has had direct fights to Venezuela for 15 years.
Get your head out of your propaganda and do some research other than the legacy media
OMG! We can’t let folks fly between Iran and Venezuela to learn how to salsa. That’s an existential threat to the US. I’m not naive. We must invade.
Expect more chaos continuously till we see the Epstein file.
Nobody seemed to care when it was occurring, so who truly cares now?
There is already a treaty, the Defense of Greenland Agreement, signed back in 1951 that permits the US to participate in Greenland’s defense. There is no need to own the Island.
The theory behind it, is if the island was attacked and we didn’t own it, Ex. China then would. Now it’s WW3 if we try to take it back. That’s the difference… I say think Ukraine, because this is what Russia did. Because they were not in NATO, it’s between them and whomever wishes to assist, but not necessary. That’s not the case with Greenland.
Let’s remember that Greenland means a whole lot to the U.S. but virtually nothing to everyone else, except Their Rivals”
It means nothing to most of us.
Leave the Greenlanders alone.
It’s not a matter of leaving Greenland alone. You are missing the “Primary Point” What are some of the most sought after items in the World, to nearly everyone alive? After you’re done with your list, look how many Greenland has. Now that you can see and understand a bit better, I ask you this.
What chance does this tiny island of few people have, of staying independent. They will eventually be overrun by an aggressive country able to, that needs and requires what they have, but cannot protect. They can decide a Country that can, and is interested in doing so. One that will look out for their island and people. They also have the option of China, Russia, Cuba maybe (with some help).
Left alone with vast resources, and indefensible to an attack by its adversaries is not a good place to be, and don’t scream NATO, as nobody will want to get involved, and potentially start WW3. Recall how Greece was protected by the EU. How Russia was a friendly neighbor, etc. You protect yourself and I believe 100% that we will be asked to do so by Greenland and with Support!! Primarily for this reason alone,
If they need to be “invaded”, I believe they prefer Canada.
No one is gonna invade Greenland. We already had a bunch of bases there that we abandoned, China and Russia aren’t trying to take it and never will:
“ The U.S. had dozens of military bases in Greenland, particularly during WWII and the Cold War, with estimates ranging from over 50 total sites to around 17 major bases at their peak, including large facilities like Thule Air Base (now Pituffik Space Base) and hidden ice-sheet bases like Camp Century; today, only Pituffik remains active, while the others were abandoned, leaving behind environmental cleanup challenges”
Reply to STU.
It’s obvious the christian right doesn’t care in the slightest.
– “When we own it, we defend it. You don’t defend leases the same way. You have to own it,”
> Isn’t Ukraine a perfect example of this real time? If we owned Ukraine, then 1. Russia wouldn’t have invaded it. 2. If they did, U.S. would have sent the whole military there to defend it, as well as attack Russia for attacking the U.S. and 3. The Takeover by Russia, never would have occurred, and we wouldn’t be dealing with Chaos, Who gets What? Potential land swaps of what was owned before the attack Etc.
>> Trumps entire point is this! If Greenland gets taken over by the fleets of China & Others War Ships scouring the area, and in a moments notice, then they would own it. I don’t care that NATO is involved, as we are back to a WW3 scenario once again. Do we want that? Where is NATO in Ukraine? Nowhere, because that adds another level of complexity, and war becomes more eminent as a result. We NEVER want NATO involved or 1. It’s too late Or 2. It’s too complex and pushes the possibility of WW3 immensely, that’s why, and why we still have war in Ukraine imho.
– Trump said Friday. “And we’ll have to defend Greenland. If we don’t do it, China or Russia will.” > This is what happened in Ukraine essentially, and that’s all that is being pointed out.
>> Key difference being we would lose Minerals, Oil, and a Security Issue now at our feet, and no way to get rid of it without War!!!
– But military officials and diplomats say the U.S. has built the world’s most formidable assembly of overseas military bases without owning foreign soil. > An excuse and not a good one for all the reasons stated above.
– In almost all cases, land is provided by host countries under bilateral agreements, without a change of ownership. > This is a very unique situation and involves much more than land and small protection, but National Security is at stake as well!
– Over the past 15 or so years the Pentagon has shifted away from. > blah, blah, blah, NOT the same situation at all. And it’s apples to oranges in comparison.
– A few hours later, Trump reiterated his position that the U.S. needs Greenland for security purposes. “There’s not a thing that Denmark can do about it if Russia or China wants to occupy Greenland,” he told reporters. “But there’s everything we can do. You found that out last week with Venezuela…I can’t rely on Denmark being able to fend themselves off.”
– Sen. Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) said… Who Cares? He is about as far from a Republican as you can get, and has no clue what day and time it is… let him go yo Ukraine and babble over there for the next few months, and then he will be in a few months nap, and then retired…
– Sens. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and Lisa Murkowski, a Republican from Alaska. (See Above (Mitch).
I just think we need to look at this from ALL sides. When they ALL meet again, I sense a very different outcome. One that makes sense for ALL parties involved. We will make this work and so will Greenland, because it has to.
Ukraine isn’t a NATO member and the US has no obligation to defend it.
You’re making my point exactly. That’s Why!!!
Trump’s useful idiots, encapsulated
No, they wouldnt own it. “No weapon formed against me shall prosper” the Bible. Anyone that steals anything including invading a country that is doing no wrong will be a loser.
Nobody is invading, but rather being invited, to Prevent from an invasion…
That’s just what they need a quote from a book that spouts a religion that only 30% of the world’s population pretends to follow.
Trump said Friday. “And we’ll have to defend Greenland. If we don’t do it, China or Russia will.”
Trump should adopt “Such a Night” by Dr. John as his Greenland song.
The refrain: “If I don’t do it, somebody else will”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCRrXZP8b0I
A newly published Danish Defense Intelligence Service report reveals significant concerns about Russian and Chinese military activities in the Arctic region and near Greenland—contrasting sharply with recent public statements from Danish officials downplaying these threats.
Key Intelligence Findings:
The December 2025 “Intelligence Outlook 2025” assessment warns that China is developing capabilities for military presence in the Arctic, with long-term strategic interests specifically including Greenland.
The report details:
• Russian military operations monitoring waters between Greenland, Iceland, and the Faroe Islands as preparation for potential NATO confrontation
• Growing “DragonBear” cooperation between Russia and China in Arctic military operations
• Chinese ambitions to deploy submarines beneath Arctic ice within 5-10 years
• Both nations conducting joint patrol exercises and expanding Arctic capabilities
Strategic Significance:
The report emphasizes Greenland’s critical role in U.S. early warning systems, with the Pituffik Space Base radar installations essential for detecting hostile missiles. The region represents key maritime gateways and submarine operational zones that both Russia and China view as strategically vital.
The Disconnect:
Despite this intelligence assessment, Danish political leaders have publicly dismissed concerns about Russian and Chinese military presence near Greenland as “delusional” and “not true,” creating a notable gap between intelligence findings and political messaging.
U.S. intelligence agencies and Pentagon assessments from 2024-2025 corroborate the Danish intelligence warnings about increased Russian-Chinese cooperation in the Arctic.
This highlights the complex geopolitical dynamics surrounding Arctic security and the sometimes challenging relationship between intelligence assessments and diplomatic positioning.
none of this is an argument for taking over Greenland ourselves. we can defend it, as we are treaty obligated to do so, without owning it. We have a base there and can have more. ownership is completely irrelevant, the issue is do we want to protect it.
The problem with experts is that anyone can dig up an “expert” to argue their case. I had to laugh when I saw “experts” in the headline.
BTW, Trump will invade Greenland just as soon as he makes a billion dollar personal contribution to Antifa and dismantles ICE. This despite all the experts who say Trump
will take Greenland by military force.
marketing so people would not go to iceland
Distraction from Epstein issue and it’s working.
Don’t you just love that GREENLAND is all ICE and ICELAND IS ALL GREEN. Were they demented, like Trump, back then, too?
“Discounts for all Arriving Cruise ship to Greenland and now enjoy the cool weather.”
There is considerable debate whether Greenland is named after a Viking Leader, Erik the Green, or if was named after the way the land was over 1000 years ago. Climate change was quite drastic apparently in Northern Europe, resulting in lower overall temperatures. For example wine production used to florish in England and then disappeared, only for it to be coming back again now that the climate is warming up again.
My understanding, which may be BS, is that both the southern rims of Iceland and Greenland were forested at the time of the migrations. The immigrant Scandinavians promptly went about deforesting the areas in order build housing, boats and firewood. In fact, the deforestation of Greenland was likely the reason it was abandoned.
Yes, along with changing climate, and famine. And disease brought in by incoming settlers.
There’s also speculation that the residents abandoned the settlements for Canada.
Greenland is a very nice piece of real estate, strategic for countering competing claims to the arctic Lomonosov Ridge (which has a lot of good shit).
The bad news is same as for the dog chasing the car, once you got it, what you going to do with it? USA has one (1) working heavy ice breaker. The only way it could increase that fleet is… commission China to build them. Any successful strategy in the Arctic will take 20-30 years to deliver results, unless there’s a hot money grift for politicians how many 2-year election cycles do you think interest in Greenland will last?
A reporter (one who has announced his/her retirement) should ask Trump if he will kill European troops of they resist his invasion of Greenland? Troops and ships arrived last night.
You can always tell when our ugly, vulgar, pedo protecting President has no worthwhile arguments when he keeps throwing crappy arguments out, without even thinking, and hoping one will resonate with the public. We must have had a dozen arguments, including Russia and China will invade Greenland, all of which have been losers. Of course it is all about the potential wealth in the ground in Greenland and in the Arctic circle.
I know how to defend Greenland. Nobody with a brain would go near it. Whoops.
Its not just trump. Its also who the president surrounds himself with. And how he processes the information hes fed.
Russia would love the us to split from nato
Is Russia a threat. Yes. But more in the way of undermining government using computers/ propaganda.
And or how can his family benefit from it.
Of course it’s Trump you dimbo….who the hell picks his advisers…..he does, and he is a lousy picker of talent.
But he is outstanding picker of brainless blondes and girly yes men.
Russia would love the us to split from nato
Is Russia a threat. Yes. But more in the way of undermining government using computers/ propaganda.
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another uneducated mo11ron opened his mouth!
did Russia blow off #9 building on 9*11 and lied about this? no!
did Russia ‘conquer’ IRAQ and spent trillions there , and LIED ABOUT WMD? no!
did Russia install -support ISIS in Iraq to overthrow Assad regime later? no!
did Russia overthrow Libya regime , richest country in Africa , and now there are open slave markets out there ? no
i go on forever
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so, SUMMING UP: GO FU11CK YOU SELF, YOU UNEDUCATED PEASANT FROM WHEREVER YOU LIVE. ukraine-europe most likely!
alx
Right, Russia is peace loving, and not a murderous, imperial, maffia led state. Not at all. Please ignore everyday evidence.
Which, to your point, does not absolve the US from invading Iraq based on lies, supporting Al Qaeda or stupid meddling in Libya.
Alexei giving a great incite into the mind of a typical Russian. Charming!
You’re kookoo for Kremlin puffs!
Remember one thing: America is Afraid of Russia due to the fact that they BEAT THE GERMANS BACK in WWII when America and the Rest of Europe could not do it. Russia WON WWII in that theater. We were wrapped up in the Pacific with much of our War Armaments.
That is why we HATE RUSSIA. Everyone in my ‘hood growing up were afraid of Buddy F. – – and he was a Bully – – until little Chris F kicked his ass. I was there.
Buddy finally shut the EFF UP.
Trump is a Dunning-Kruger baby at age 79. We will have to live with his incompetence for 3 more years. Elections have consequences…
But Trump wants Greenland to later lay CLAIMS TO THE Russian Arctic.Alaska,possibly with Canada, Greenland and Arctic is the US Dream under Trump.
But the timing has Epstein written all over it.
It does. And the autoworker might have had it figured out…our President is protecting pedophiles.
Well thought out….I missed that. But couldn’t Denmark claim all of the Russian Arctic right now. Another war on the way.
Polk and Tyler never got around to filing the title insurance for Texas.
Unfortunately, common sense and positive brain waves are two items missing from taco and the manner in which his deranged does and does not function like a normal person.
The whole Greenland episode has started to feel like geopolitical improv theater. Instead of addressing the real strategic issues — Arctic shipping lanes, climate‑driven resource shifts, and Greenland’s own autonomy — the conversation gets buried under a blizzard of distractions. It’s as if every time things get complicated, someone starts waving Greenland around like a shiny snow globe, hoping everyone forgets what the actual debate was about.
At some point, someone has to gently take the snow globe away, set it back on the shelf, and remind the room that international relations aren’t a yard sale where you point at a country and say, “How much for that one?”
russia sold off alaska. france sold off lousiana. the list is endless in world history. trump is looking for a war to take greenland. and distract about his old buddy jeff epstein.
It is not endless.
Trump’s henchmen will be wearing red Canada Goose parkas for the invasion.
That time is history. You are spot on!
Russia has the shipping lanes that count, in its own Economic Zone,. along it’s own shoreline Try to steal it and a nuke will fall on your head.
Under Article 1, NATO blows apart the minute Trump goes for Greenland
NATO Article 1
The Parties undertake, as set forth in the Charter of the United Nations, to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.
That might be exactly what he wants, he’s been very clear on his opinion of NATO
Next MAGAland will start the usual delusional rationalizations to convince themselves its in their interest, just like every asinine idea the ignorant racist comes up with. All instead of admitting they’ve made a huge mistake in supporting the Trumpster…. but i digress
In their interest, yeah like ordinary working people will get income out of Greenland. No, as usual, the rich might make a killing and the poor will get nothing at all. If the whole project fails to deliver a huge payoff, the government will compensate the rich who speculated.
I voted for Pedro.
The NATO famous article 5 does not oblige its signatories to come in defense of other signatories. Rather, it’s just a little more than a suggestion.
For example, the only country to ever invoke it, the US after 9/11, didn’t have all the signatories come to its aid, just the usual suspect vassals.
the department of agriculture mathematically proves that people can eat properly with current incomes
…Brooke Rollins: “We’ve run over 1,000 simulations. It can cost around $3 a meal for a piece of chicken, a piece of broccoli, corn tortilla, and one other thing. So there is a way to do this that actually will save the average American consumer money.”
So will MAGA settle for “let them eat a corn tortilla”?
The other part of the problem is here;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Royal_Danish_Navy_ships
It’s a short list.
So will the Brits be able to save the day?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Royal_Navy_ships
hmm. Six destroyers and seven frigates.
Doesn’t look good.
What about the second line of defense along the Labrador and Baffin Island coasts? Surely a quick scan of the land from Google Earth will show the bustling layer of airbases and coastal defenses to protect NA proper.
Yeah, about that.
France and UK have nukes. They only need one to hit one city, I will let you guess which one.
Chappaqua?
Medvev was joking about it.
What are they going to do do? Nuke a US city full of anti Trump voters?
So no good deal☹. Targetting a hard Maga county in a swing state would requires a several megaton yield nuclear weapon in terms of area which France and Uk no longer have and can no longer build.
I have a feeling Keri Starmer is shitting himself wondering about how he will waffle his way out of the US invading Greenland (if they do). Starmer, the world’s worst leader.
Starmer is the drizzlies yeah. Just another opportunistic bloodsucking vampire, the sort of which the British electorate just love to repeatedly put in office.
None of this is germane.
Logic, details, arguments, facts — none of this matters.
He will say anything that comes to mind if he believes it will score a point in the mind of the audience.
Do you think it’s possible to convince ‘Napoleon’ or ‘Jesus’ in the psych ward that they have made an error?
Rather, like Nero, he’ll set fire to country and watch it burn and blame some escape goat when everything goes against his desires.
he’s our nero. clinton was our caligula.
as a teen we used to follow this nutjob, around greenwich village who thought he was a king. he was dressed like one and was quite a funny guy………he used to tell us in his land we’d be used as slaves or worse……….
What about that mobster who walked the streets dressed like Zsa Zsa Gabor?
Machiavelli in the Prince
Says anything but thd important is to take action. Words can always justify any action
Every one of our military leaders is welcome to run for President/Commander and Chief.
God forbid….who would want these warmongering nutcases as President?
WIKIPEDIA says: “Historically, the United States has obtained nearly 40% of its territory through purchase – most notably Alaska and the Louisiana purchase – and it also made several attempts to obtain the island of Greenland from Denmark. There were notable internal discussions within the US federal government about acquiring Greenland in 1867, 1910, 1946, 1955, 2019, and 2025 and acquisition has been advocated by American secretaries of state William H. Seward and James F. Byrnes, privately by Vice President Nelson Rockefeller, and publicly by President Donald Trump, among others.”
Common guys, hit dislike.
Since it is absurd whataboutism bullshit justification It ought to be disliked.
Now what the flying F do you fail to understand about a threat to take Greenland by military force?
Typical Trump bad rhetoric. And to us (both you and me) Greenland sounds like a stupid idea, when you can have the same benefits at a fraction of the cost without pissing off the Europeans. It’s not whataboutism to put historical context in your article, normally it should be a must. Because we don’t know much about that part of the geopolitical reality.
Basically every piece of land has been taken by force if you go back far enough. It’s like Sherman Alexie (Native American writer) said: “you had guns, we had sticks”. I’m not in favor of seizing Greenland, but we did get an entire continent that way.
I think that the US took Hawaii without Congressional approval, or am I wrong? I don’t remember.
Sanford Dole, who started Dole pineapple, declared himself the President of the Republic of Hawaii. He bypassed minor details like having an actual election with ballots. In short, Hawaii was stolen, with the help of the USMC.
Speaking about guns, back then the arrows were more effective (no reloading). But the Indians occupied very small areas compared to the vastness of the country. From what I know so far, most them didn’t even fight, didn’t leave either, just got isolated. Some others chose sides between settlers and the English etc. Very complex story.
Once repeating rifles became common after the Civil War, it was all over for native Americans. They got rifles, but didn’t have the ability to manufacture their own ammunition. The continent was heavily populated, but wiped out by disease. Juan Ponce De Leon who traveled from Florida to the Mississippi said on every hill you could see native cities in all directions. The original settlers in the Northeast found the land already cleared for farming but with no inhabitants. English captains exploring the far northwest found beaches with thousands of human skeletons as disease had already traveled across the continent.
Greenland = The Sudetenland
the russians put alaska out for sale to usa or canada due to their own financial troubles in 1860s. LA purchase the same thing.
True. We also took Hawaii quietly for its position. Trump is in a hurry, elections are coming. The idea itself is not bad (resources and space that are currently not utilized), the implementation looks bad.
I am willing to bet that Trump is looking for an excuse to postpone the mid terms
The idea is horrible and idiotic beyond description.
I read recently that the US have close 30 military bases since 1945. There seems no military reason to invade Greenland…..or even to buy it.
Trump needs to have a large landmass to name after himself. Is he supposed to just go through life without one?
Your point is completely moot since Denmark doesn’t want to sell.
Russia and China have not threatened Greenland.
Trump has…
What a fucking asshole and untrustworthy prick!
NATO has a new enemy!
And he is the mirror.
NATO can’t exist without the US. Not even international trade can exist in its current form without the US Navy guaranteeing safety. The Europeans can hardly defend themselves, and cannot patrol the oceans.
The French newspaper Marianne “quoted a senior French officer saying “We must make no mistake; facing the Russians we are an army of cheerleaders“.
Your country is a lot more important than you think, and NATO is a helpless cripple without it.
Yes. Without the US Navy making shipping safe throughout the world, a fair bit of world trade will collapse. Which is very bad for economic growth.
Yeah like they made tanker oil safe. The US is a rogue nation that does very little good in the world and much harm. Hypocrite is another name for the US.
There is much wrong with the US today. And I agree with your assessment that the US is becoming a rogue nation since Trump took over.
However, the dramatic expansion of world trade over the last 70 years, and the subsequent economic growth that goes with it, was a result of the US Navy providing protection to the ships that were responsible for that trade. That’s a fact. If we stop performing that role, then trade will suffer.
There are over 10,000 oil tankers sailing the worlds oceans each day. None of them were seized or sunk in the last year, because of US Navy protection.
Until the US started seizing them.
If you look at global shipping via ship tracking apps, you will see that traffic around China has ramped up tremendously. US was previously a benevolent protector in many ways. The is no longer true as the US has now shifted its policy to open murder and piracy.
Dragnet – “Just the facts mam”
NATO and UN should kick out the U.S.
Greenland has always been open to US bases and installations. We used to have over 20 bases, minor outposts, and radar installations there. Today we have 1 base left and 1 radar installation left.
Greenland told Trump he can open more bases and other installations if he wants to. They also said that NATO can as well. They just want to negotiate these installations that will be located on their sovereign soil.
As has been pointed out, the US has many bases all over the world and has never insisted that it needs to own the country in order to operate the base.
So it isn’t about bases. We can have as many bases as we want.
Regarding rare earth resources. Three US companies are already operating in Green land.
Critical Metals Corp is developing the Tanbreeze rare earth project
Greenland Resources is developing the Malmbjerg molybdenum project
BlueJay Mining is actively exploring Greenland for Titanium, nickel and rare earths.
So it isn’t about access to resources. US companies can readily explore Greenland.
Incidentally, Greenland is blessed with a lot of resources, but over 80% of the country has a mile+ of ice on top of it. The rate of ice melt has been 250+ billion tonnes per year since 2002. At that rate it will take thousands of years for all the ice to melt to be able to access the resources underneath. Yes, the rate of melt is accelerating, but it will still take over a thousand years to completely melt. (Fun fact for those who care, 250 billion tonnes of ice melt increases ocean levels by 0.8 mm per year.)
Greenland is just another trophy to Trump. Assuming he gets it (a possibility), then Canada is next.
When Minnesota secedes then Trump will grab Baffin Island for the iron ore.
Denmark has no issues with US bases in Greenland for defensive purposes.
I really don’t have an opinion but there were many military ‘experts’ that lobbied against the purchase of Alaska, arguing it provided no strategic use. While true at the time, how did that turn out?
If Denmark/Greenland were willing to sell Greenland to the US, then that’s great. But they aren’t willing to sell.
Taking Greenland by force opens an interesting can of worms. The biggest winner in that scenario is Putin, as his goal has always been to get NATO to fall apart.
With NATO gone, Iceland will be defenseless, against either Russia or the US.
They can always fire off one of their volcanoes! Their best weapon.
NATO will be gone if Trump takes Greenland by force. And then he can just as easily take Iceland by force as well. So neither would be defenseless. They would both be American. Though Trump might not take Iceland. It doesn’t look very big on a map and he wants to take “big” countries. Which is why Canada is probably next, after Greenland.
Show him “the women of Iceland”.
Yeah the ‘grab ’em by the *ussy’ pervert of a Peresident.
He can take most of the world’s countries. Why stop with Greenland and Iceland? America is dangerously overcrowded and under resourced. We need more room to live! /s
Iceland has the rotten shark soup … that could deter both Russia and the US for some time.
Not a good comparison as Alaska was for sale, but Greenland is not. I don’t think anyone is arguing that Greenland doesn’t have strategic use, but we can’t buy it and taking it by force would be deeply problematic. Logically the best option is to negotiate mutually beneficial treaties to conduct the various operations and stop all the saber rattling.
No need, all of those agreements have long been in place.
And Wikipedia says there were several attempts in the past by the US to take Greenland (1867, 1910, 1946, 1955, 2019 and 2025), that is, 4 attempts before Trump. The article’s title is “Proposed United States acquisition of Greenland”. So, there’s some history.
So what? It isn’t for sale now.
are these the same morons that sh!t on him in his 1st term?
that my way of asking how biased are they and do they have other agendas?
As if the MSM can’t find a retired officer to parrot their party line. There are thousands of them. Pick the one you want. Take a look at a world map from the standpoint of the arctic to see how strategic it is. It is in our interest. Almost none of the MIC’s overseas bases are.
No it’s not. A nation $40 trillion in debt on the books and $100+ trillion in debt off the books has no business expanding anywhere while citizens quality of life is deteriorating.
The US already has too many bases all over the world. How did that help prevent 9/11 or any other bad thing that has happened since WWII?
https://www.studyiq.com/articles/list-of-us-military-bases-around-the-world/
Great point
“Trump is a proven repeat liar”. In a few words, you have spoken more truth than anything I have heard out of DC in forever!!!
I think Trump is a classic Imperialist who wants credit for growing the US into the largest country in the world. Greenland today, Canada tomorrow. Who is going to stop him?
Anyone with a long-range nuke.
The collective amnesia of 2016 – 2020 is hilarious. It’s as though you have no idea what Trump is so you respond to literally everything he says.
Yeah, he said he would get rid of Maduro, LOL! Like that would ever happen. Lefties are just lying haters.
Meh. They are all liars. Suspect that what Trump is wanting is security of the waters around the Arctic/Svalbard so that undersea cables satellite communications remain safe. Space (asteroids with precious metals for example) may be the next “war” that has major implications.
China were shooting satellites down as target practice a couple of decades ago. Owning Greenland will not protect your satellites./
It’s not about Greenland.
Its about the Epstein files.
<<We don’t need ‘ownership’ in order to conduct all the operations we would like to do>>
Correct – but we didn’t need Diego Garcia either, and now the UK is giving it back to Mauritus. Who would have predicted…?
We call Trump names, but the Brits are now stabbing us in the back on this one.
You talk rubbish. As part of the deal military operations are unaffected. As I am sure you know.
<<military operations are unaffected>>
Well, for now… we also assumed Panama was ours, and the Chinese were all over it.
So rent it from Mauritius.
No need, the agreement states that the base will stay for at least another 99 years.
Okay Trump is a bloviating idiot no argument. There is no way he is dumb enough to believe he can militarily annex Greenland. This must be posturing of some sort, not sure for what though. I don’t even think buying Greenland would be a profitable transaction. Maybe this is just a distraction from the Epstein saga.
We could probably take it if we use tactical nukes. Including Copenhagen.
lol, another military expert chimes in!
Wrong, Trump is dumb enough!
DUH!
Could be so he has another thing to chicken out on? (and yeah, probably to distract from Epstein).
Truman offered Denmark $100,000,000 $US in gold in 1946. He obviously was not a real estate shark like Jefferson and Seward, though Denmark may have been dumber not to take the deal then.
And Wikipedia says there were several attempts in the past by the US to take Greenland (1867, 1910, 1946, 1955, 2019 and 2025), that is, 4 attempts before Trump.
It could be smarter though to just make a deal that would also keep all Europeans happy, that’s how I feel about it. Then again, these are geopolitical games that nobody in this blog knows much about.
Apparently Greenland has a lot of rare earth minerals. Those could be the real goal.
Either that or the whale blubber
Silicon Valley must be salivating… so much room for data centers, not much cooling required.
…or the US could use its own supply of these minerals:
we have ore, but no processing. until then it is just a pile of rocks shipped overseas
“All 32 countries all committed to defend each other if attacked. The US would be obliged to declare war on itself.”
We may be closer to doing this than one would normally think.
Closer? Have you not seen Minneapolis? Chicago? LA? Seattle?
Trump has already confessed in an interview with the NYT that the real reason he believes the USA needs to own Greenland is because owning it is important to him psychologically. Anyone is free to support Trump all they want, but if Fred Trump hadn’t neglected Donald when he was a boy, maybe none of us would need to support Trump’s bloated and fragile ego by invading and taking over other sovereign lands. IJS that the USA should not be Trump’s personal shrink.