Israel is starving Palestinians to achieve its military goals. 
Europe Moves on Gaza
Eurointelligence has an excellent article today on events in Gaza. Please consider Europe Moves on Gaza.
Israel is starving Palestinians in Gaza to achieve its military goals. After an eerily long silence that accompanied Israel’s ground offensive, western nations are starting to react.
In a small but significant move, the UK government suspended trade talks with Israel and a majority of EU states agreed to start a review of its trade partnership with Israel. The pressure on the leaders who are still defending Israel’s actions is growing. The Spanish parliament passed a non-binding motion calling for the government to impose an arm embargo against Israel.
The most significant move, however, will come from the US. We understand that Donald Trump has also put pressure on Benjamin Netanyahu, but Trump has yet to decide of how he wants to proceed. On his Middle East tour he hardly mentioned Gaza, only to say that they are starving in Gaza and that they are going to do something about it. This week JD Vance was expected in Israel but decided not to go.
Netanyahu granted some aid delivery to get into Gaza after 11 weeks of complete blockade. This gesture is more to soothe the international community, not to take off the pressure on Palestinians. The details that emerge suggest that it will be far from what is needed. The plan is to set up several distribution centres which will be secured by Israeli military and managed by US contractors. Food distribution centres will be south of the Netzarim corridor, which splits Gaza in the middle. Those coming from the north for food will have no right to return once they passed through the screening.
The humanitarian emergency in Gaza happens in a wider political context. What happens with Iran or Syria and Lebanon matters for the future of the region and Israel’s role in it. Arab leaders have told Trump in private that Palestinians need their rights guaranteed. The US had also been talking to various nations about whether they would be ready to take Palestinians while Gaza is to be rebuilt. Trump evoked once again US ownership in Gaza on his Middle East tour, though Israel is making this look like another Vietnam to step into.
Does Trump still believe that he can sort out the mess in Gaza by going into it and make it all look nice? Or is he ready to confront Netanyahu, something what none of the previous presidents ever really did? Trump, the real estate developer, and Trump, the peacemaker, will eventually have to come up with a plan. And he needs to take Israel’s reaction into account. What would Netanyahu do if Trump shows him some tough love? Netanyahu could dig himself in with his far-right coalition partners rather than to moderate. It could increase the settlers’ radicalisation.
Netanyahu clearly misread Trump 2.0. He was banking on Trump as a reliable ally in his peace-by-force efforts. Trump’s Riviera plan for Gaza was used as a template for which Israel is doing the groundwork. The resumption of the war in Gaza had as its goals the idea to finish off Hamas and to make Gaza as uninhabitable as possible, so that more Palestinians would want to leave. But Netanyahu’s decision to conduct war through starvation has now started to backfire on Israel.
Gazalago Revisited
On February 4, 2025, I commented Trump says “US Will Take Over the Gaza Strip and Relocate All Palestinians”
Trump’s proposal has no funding or approval of any country but Israel. And it would put US troops in a war zone.
Also see Artist’s Rendition of the Beautiful Gaza-Lago Beach Resort Now Surfacing
President Trump says the Gaza Strip will become the “Riviera of the Middle East” just minutes after saying the U.S. would “take over” the Strip.
Many Gaza questions are unanswered, such as cost, US military involvement, and where the Palestinians will go. But the resort will be stunning.
U.S. officials have yet to outline how they will remove Palestinians from Gaza if they don’t leave voluntarily. Moving forward with the plan could also undercut Trump and Netanyahu’s larger goal of reaching a normalization agreement between Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Eurointelligence says “war through starvation has now started to backfire on Israel,” but Netanyahu doesn’t care.
Netanyahu embraced Trump’s Gazalago idea and ran with it, complete with starvation to drive them all out or starve everyone who stays.
However, all the Arab countries rejected Trump’s proposal to move Palestinians from Gaza into Egypt and Jordan. So now what Mr. president?
So, who gets control of the gigantic natural gas deposit off the coast of Gaza?…hmmmm?!….I wonder….
Instead of sending food as aid gift : sell it ! This will make it harder for Hamas to tax it while staying humane.
With articles like this that fan the flames of Jewish hate, one might wonder how much such writing contributes to the sad murder of two innocent Jews in Washington, D.C. Wednesday evening.
Oh, so pointing out the facts/spreading awareness in terms of the genocide that is being committed constitutes inciting hatred and may encourage whackjobs to go looking for Jews to murder? So, what, we shouldn’t talk about it?
BUGGER OFF
There is no genocide. This is not a “fact” except in the minds of delusional “whackjobs” such as yourself. Anyone who uses this word does not understand the definition, nor the power it holds..
Most of the commenters here will deflect from realit – they’ll just use it as another way to reinforce their hatred. We have seen the same thing play out with fools thinking Biden was as sharp as a tack, that inflation wasn’t really that big of a deal and that crime isn’t as high as you think it is.
It’s become incredibly easy to fool people into believing flat out mythology that is easily disproven, but people who hate Israel have no interest in hearing their mythology exposed, so they continue with an ever expanding tunnel dig of stupidity…. exactly like people did with Biden’s obvious dementia/alzheimers problems.
It’s remarkable until you realize how normal it is. Pathetic how easy it is to fool the most dim and at the same time, get them feeling very confident about their ignorance.
Instead Trump is accusing South African President of committing genocide against white.
Mish, thank you for your humanity and honesty, characteristics sadly lacking in many of your commenters.
Say a prayer for us next time you happen to visit our house of worship.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but anyone seriously believing that this is solely about land and self-governance would be extremely naive. The Palestinians have been offered plenty of opportunities for peaceful coexistence and have rejected all of them, because they all allow Jews their own state. “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free” means the expulsion or annihilation of all the Jews. That’s not going to happen.
The Jews have turned a desert into a garden and an economic powerhouse, and have provoked extreme hatred for this success. The drive behind Hamas and their supporters is “Religious” based anti-Jewish sentiment.
As it says in the Bible, “the meek shall inherit the earth”. When the hot-heads and their supporters have finally got themselves killed, maybe those left behind will find peace.
In the meantime, Hamas needs maximum Gazan civilian suffering in order to provoke anti-Israeli sentiment, and if Mish’s post is any guide, they’re succeeding….
The biggest supporter of Hamas has been Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Are you saying he has anti-Jewish sentiment?
http://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
We all have a dog in this fight.
If you believe Hamas you believe trump
All this could have been ended with a Hamas surrender, and handing back the hostages
Hamas gets their people killed because of people like you
No 10/7 – no deaths
No Pearl Harbor – No hiroshima
Some of us don’t believe genocide is ever right.
And that’s what it boils down to.
Not genocide
That’s what it boils down to
Hamas is to account for every single death
Correct, punch a big guy in the face, then don’t complain when he kicks your arse. Simple logic.
I’ve reminded many people that you can’t create your own definitions to words like genocide.
It’s sad that so many people are doing this. Even President Trump did it today in reference to South Africa and the supposed genocide of white African farmers, which is not happening.
Are you proud to be doing what Trump is doing? Attaching your own bias and meaning to words?
Though I don’t know much about what really goes on down there with the food situation (most people don’t, especially those who call research “browsing through vids and Western media”), I’ve seen time and time again that the truth is a bit different – for example, organized terrorist groups confiscating food/supplies, from humanitarian organizations and blaming the other side. It happened in Syria (along with fake and mislabeled pics), it happened in Afghanistan, it’s happening in African countries all the time. I’m personally curious about why the Egyptians are not accepting them or helping them first. The Egypt-Gaza border is 7.5 miles long.
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PS1. Hey, it happened even in Greece in the 80s, when local admins were removing the large decals “Financed by the EU” from public projects, telling people that the works were financed by their socialist Harvard God Mr. Papandreou, and pocketing about 20-30% of each project. Entire villages with schools and medical centers built from the foundations to completion 100% with EU grants, while the locals would believe “Andreas built it”. I was there.
PS2. It took the average Greek 60 years to realize that their Public Power Corporation (the sole electricity supplier) and the Greek Telecommunications Organization were funded 100% by the Marshal Plan after the war. A former communist parliament member mentioned it in a TV documentary, while the school books never did… food was arriving in Greece from the Marshal Plan until the late-1950s (along with small fortunes in US dollars from the immigrants), to feed the journalists who grew up to be anti-American journalists in the 80s and 90s.
PS3. Mish, I can’t personally say what’s correct or not about your story, but try to find sources from the other side too. “Genocide” is a pretty heavy word to use in your blog.
I get it Mish, its in your benefit to throw around pejoratives.
Calling one who protect their life genocidal phycopaths is a little rich. Who usually stops food from the people. How is that floating dock going?
I try to turn the other cheek. Problem is I only have two of these.
The Trump administration just negotiated the release of an American/Israeli IDF soldier, without leveling an apartment complex or firing a shot. It was done through diplomacy. This fact highlights that dropping bombs and the mass murder of a civilian population is not the only way. What Israel is now doing is on them. They are making the choice.
Stop being stupid.
Hmas was told that if they didn’t release that particular hostage, then the USA was going to come in with double or triple the power that Israel was showing, which could kill a lot of Palestinians. You remember what the USA did in Fallujah in Iraq?
53% of Israelis support the starving of Palestinians or a majority of Jews support not only genocide but a holocaust of the Palestinian people.
To permit this torture and terror of a people then callously describe Palestinians as deserving of this is a pariah state.
Israel currently occupies part of Lebanon and Syria and all of the West Bank and Gaza. The latter two are an apartheid state and in addition the Palestinians are subject to indiscriminate bombing, kidnapping, torture, imprisonment without charges filed and no trial or a a kangaroo court of justice.
Ireland & South African government’s have accused Israel of being an apartheid state that practices genocide. They ought to know.
The United States and parts of W. Europe that haven’t condemned the apartheid and the genocide nor sanctioned or embargoed weapons to Israel are contributing to the inhumane treatment, slaughter and the holocaust.
You should get a job at the UN! You’ll fit right in with that load of delusions you are carrying around.
Mish, help us with the math. There are 2 million Gazans. Most recent reports are that 70% of the buildings in Gaza are damaged or destroyed, yet there are 20-30k dead. How did all of those people get out of the buildings?
The math makes no sense because the accusations of this make no sense. Open your eyes.
Open your eyes, and use a little logic. Multiply your “official” numbers by 1,000 and you will have reality. A year ago (!) a study in the Lancet estimated 186,000 dead. Trump’s own words recently have implied much more than that. Just one child “snipered”, just one relief worker murdered, just one pregnant mother killed, just one doctor murdered, just one baby starved to death, is one too many. This is the worst, most cruel, holocaust in our lifetimes. To pretend otherwise speaks to one’s soul, or lack thereof.
Thanks for proving my thesis. People like you will never admit you’re wrong. Doesn’t matter if facts don’t compute to you when they are presented.
Biden is cancer free, too, right?
What makes no sense to me is why the Egyptians (or the UN through Egypt) are not helping them, and are not accepting them either. There’s a 7.5 mile long border between Gaza and Egypt.
It doesn’t make sense to you because you don’t understand the politics in the ME and therefore aren’t qualified to be commenting on the subject in the first place. But then this is the internet. As the famous saying goes:
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.”
That is why I’m asking the question. Do you think you’re the expert? Or do you think you can intimidate me with platitudes, little Amerikanaki?
Fine then, allow me to help with the following link:
Why Egypt and other countries don’t want Palestinian refugees
https://hugh.cdn.rumble.cloud/video/s8/2/o/K/b/Y/oKbYn.caa.mp4
And here’s another resource to learn from: I hope these links help.
it’s clear you have no knowledge and/or read little about the history of the region. but you speak with such confidence about it.
There’s a reason why Egypt doesn’t want the Palestinians even working in Egypt.
Some of the last images I saw were of a Hamas fighter shooting out of a UN building next to a hospital with piles of food aid and weapons. The only reason people are starving anywhere in the world is because the prevelant authority does not want to give up power to save their own people. Do we need to talk about Somolia again?
Mish is right – no one should move the Palestinians. Gaza is a toxic war zone littered with unexploded ordnance. Israel’s provision of free electricity to Gaza is over. The Palestinian’s neglect has fowled the massive clean water aquafer under Gaza. It will be noisy, smelly generators, and plastic bottled water for the foreseeable future. The Palestinians started this war; it cost them billions in aid money, that could have been spent to bolster the economy, but instead went to build the tunnels and arm Hamas. Why should the Palestinians now be given nice new housing in a free and peaceful new land. No, let them stay exactly where they are, under the current conditions, while subservient to the rulers of Hamas.
People don’t like hearing the truth. Thanks for trying. Just like the biden fairy tails, they’ll believe any lie so long as it agrees with their preconceived conclusion.
Allowing the Palestinians to remain in Gaza is a foolish choice that is mainly driven by the question as to what to do with 2 million destitute people that other Arabs want nothing to do with.
Offering to rebuild Gaza for the Palestinians makes no sense for Israel, for the Palestinians and for peace in the region.
Physically, Gaza is barely fit naturally and environmentally for desert plants and animals. It never was a proper place for hundreds of thousands, let alone millions of humans to settle.
There is hardly any water! Pre Oct 7, 2023 Gaza depended on water piped in from Israel and desalination plants. They had about 150 desal plants, none of which were regulated or monitored for water quality by anyone. Desalination plants are environmentally problematic and not a long-term solution.
Next, there are few to no natural resources to mine that would help build an economy on. Palestinians had ample opportunity to build a workable economy in Gaza. It wasn’t possible, which is why the territory required the UNRWA to drive in 500 trucks of food and supplies EVERY SINGLE DAY pre-Oct 7th 2023. The only way Gaza was able to exist and host 2.3 million mostly destitute people with an average daily income of $13/day was via these constant welfare handouts.
And this is what everyone wants to recreate? Wave a magic wand, rebuild the territory and believe everything will be different this time? You are familiar with the saying that repeating the same over and over but expecting different results is the definition of insanity?
And even if Gaza could be made viable this time around (when it couldn’t be before), IT IS A GEOGRAPHICALLY CONTAINERIZED AREA! Where would an ever-growing Palestinian population expand to? Israel certainly isn’t going to give up any land to connect the West Bank to Gaza. The Palestinians would have to strictly control their birth rate (unlikely at best) or attempt to take land from Israel (extremely unlikely to succeed)..
In 1948, there were 750k “new “Palestinians” left in Israel territory after the partition that refused the offer of Israeli citizenship. From that beginning, the total Palestinian population has now grown to over 11 million and most of them required handouts from their dedicated and now defunct aid organization, UNRWA, to survive.
Gaza was a decrepit slum with filthy water, untreated sewage and garbage dumps that no one knew what to do with. Now it also has a destroyed aquifer, tunnels that make the foundations for buildings unstable, asbestos pollution, tens of thousands of unexploded munitions mixed with the rubble an dmilitary pollution such as diesel fuel spilled everywhere. I
It will take decades to clean and rebuild something in Gaza. Gazans cannot loiter around in tents being fed by the UN for another 30+ years waiting for the territory to be rebuilt.
Trump is correct. The Gazan Palestinians must be relocated elsewhere.
China has mentioned rebuilding Gaza. The other day, I saw a video of a Chinese plane dropping aid to the people there, proving the atheists are more righteous than the religious.
China would bid to build on top of Chernobyl, if allowed.
The Jewish people should stop sponsoring Hamas.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
This is unfortunately true. Netanyahu was trying to use Hamas as a foil against the PLO in the West Bank. He screwed up and got burned. Politics is an ugly game.
Super article here confirming that the primary reason for the Hamas terrorist attack on Israel , Oct 7, 2023 was fear of [further] Palestinian marginalization by Arab nations.
Now Palestinians are much more marginalized! They have lost their generational welfare delivered daily by the UNRWA, their homes have been bombed and razed and their futures are bleaker than ever.
Play with fire and you are going to get burned.
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“In war, truth is the first causality.”
Aeschylus
After reading that the Israeli government had lied about the Hamas October 7th attacks regarding raping, beheading, plus Israel’s Hannibal policy, I question any Western media source that writes stories furnished by the IDF, etc.
BiBi and his followers have consistently obfuscated, lied, manipulated information about the Zionist state and its neighbors in the Middle East. He is like the boy who cried wolf.
All false. You should read from more reputable sources.
Jewish-American journalist Max Blumenthal made an excellent documentary about the 40 beheaded babies hoax, the Hannibal Directive, and other issues. Can you even name any of the 40 beheaded babies? The village where it supposedly happened didn’t name them among the dead. Surely they had names…
x.com/TheGrayzoneNews/status/1843318219404186024
Imagine if any other small in numbers religious group such as Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, or Seventh Day Adventists were starving 1.9 million people to death, the world would be appalled. How come this religion is allowed to starve people.?
Because the default position of Israel is to label any criticism of its conduct as anti-semitic causing the accusers to back off. I think that now they have overplayed their hand. They are also fermenting the next generation of terrorists with the genocide/ethnic clensing or what ever you wish to call it. This religion , as you choose to label it, has disproportionate representation and power in US politics.
Most Americans now have a negative opinion of Israel.
War is hell.
Hamas is using the Palestinians as pawns to be sacrificed as needed. If Hamas released the hostages it holds, laid down its weapons and surrendered, the war would stop.
This doesn’t mean that the Gazan Palestinians would be allowed to restelle Gaza though. The whole area is polluted and unsuitable for human habitation for probably decades.
The Gazan Palestinians MUST leave the territory.
You are referring to Hamas, right? Why does the world allow them to use the Palestinians as human shields in their war against the Jews? The answer is the world is terrified of radical Islam and hopes that appeasement will save them from the travails that Jihad has sought to inflict upon the Israeli’s.
Maybe stop starting wars. Tell your buddies in hamas.
Muslim Arabs are starving millions to death in Sudan, where many more have actually died by starvation. During Syria’s recent civil war, Assad used starvation against his own people and killed more than 500,000 in that war, helped materially by Hezbollah. i guess that doesn’t make the list because the victims and perpetrators are the same religion??
i am NOT excusing Israel’s behavior, but to suggest it is somehow a uniquely evil religion is not factual and is actually antisemitic.
not sure of your “small in number” qualifier. why is that relevant? or are you anticipating the obvious rejoinder that Muslims are doing the same thing concurrently on a larger scale?
The small number qualifier is a polite way of saying that there are more Mormons in the world than Jews. There are more Jehovah Witnesses in the world than Jews. There are more Seventh Day Aventists in the world than Jews. All four of these groups are very small and number 15 to 20 million people worldwide in each group. Three of these groups are relatively benign. One group knocks on your door when you weren’t expecting company. Another group embarks two young missionaries with the title of Elder being polite as can be. Another of the groups encorages a healthy diet of fruits vegetables and grains. And the smallest but most conspicuous group starves people to death and steals other people’s land. How only 15 million people can find pleasure in pursuing this sensless narrative is puzzling.
Many create reality rather than accepting the obvious. Israel is a horrible country period.
Easy. It’s call a redux of “March of Tears” (look it up), this time to Egypt Sinai, Jordon or Libya.
Those who refuse to leave, get dragged to one of the areas above, alive or in a body bag..
Israel must not capitulate to bleeding hearts worldwide and allow Hamas terrorists to win this war.
80% of the Gazan civilian Palestinians claimed to support Hamas and its goals in past polling. Therefore, the blame for Hamas actions flows to them also and they must pay the price of supporting terrorists and their goals.
Not rocket science here! Actions have consequences.
What consequences would you support for the genesis of this conflict, the expulsion of Palestinians in 1948, the denial of their right of self-determination and the denial of the right to return to their legally owned homes/farms/businesses?
if you believe this started in 1948, you are an ignoramus. At least pick it up when the middle east got chopped up to the way it mostly looks today, after Picot and Sykes screwed up the dividing lines after WWI.
Read more.
starting the clock in 1948 is unfair and it should be remembered that in 1948 Gaza was Egyptian and Jerusalem and WB belonged to Jordan, not anything called Palestine.
To be sure the Palestinians have been hard done by. So have the American Indians and countless populations across almost all countries of the world. There are 22 Arab countries, all but 2 conquered and driving out or breeding out the local populations. Ditto for 99% of the world’s countries.
But one Jewish country, formed after Jews were almost literally exterminated in Europe and kicked out of Muslim countries, and the world all of a sudden needs nation-formation to be fair. Give me a break.
GIVE FOOD TO GAZA
they have it. back to the encampment with you!
If only Biden’s Pier was operational😩
Such a difficult word to say with conviction. But needs saying – thank you Mish.
I have a few better words to say, Mish, you’re wrong.
Mish is unwilling to question anything on this topic.
The Israelis are not our allies. They’re loathsome murderous criminal colonialists. I hardly see what dim bulb Trump is going to do about it though.
So I guess you going to sell your home and move back to some other country? I doubt you’re a native American.
In a refreshing own-goal post, David admits Israel is a murderous criminal colonial enterprise. But hey, it’s not a secret.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Colonisation_Association
Trump’s daughter, son-in-law and their children (Trump’s grandchildren) are all Jewish. [lol]
sell your house, colonizer. better yet, give it to the native people, hypocrite.
99% of the world’s countries, including almost all the Arab ones were formed through colonialism or outright conquest/displacement. Including obviously, the US.
Israel may be no better than other countries, but it isn’t worse.
Different methods, same result. Nations complain about the method, not the result. Canada, UK, France. More to come. No answers, just complaints. The middle east has and will continue to be an uncivilized mess. Why the Jews thought it was a good idea to jump into the middle of this mess and set up a state is a mystery. I note that the Arab nations have not offered a single, worthwhile idea either – unless you accept total destruction of Israel.
Google is your friend:
The Arab Peace Initiative (Arabic: مبادرة السلام العربية; Hebrew: יוזמת השלום הערבית), also known as the Saudi Initiative (Arabic: مبادرة السعودية; Hebrew: היוזמה הסעודית), is a 10 sentence proposal for an end to the Arab–Israeli conflict that was endorsed by the Arab League in 2002 at the Beirut Summit and re-endorsed at the 2007 and at the 2017 Arab League summits.[1] The initiative offers normalisation of relations by the Arab world with Israel, in return for a full withdrawal by Israel from the occupied territories (including the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan Heights, and Lebanon), with the possibility of comparable and mutual agreed minor swaps of the land between Israel and Palestine, a “just settlement” of the Palestinian refugee problem based on UN Resolution 194, and the establishment of a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital.[2]
Pepperidge Farm remembers when during the first few days of Israel’s invasion of Gaza, Israel showed the world videos of individual buildings being targeted and destroyed, leaving every building surrounding intact and unharmed.
Gradually, the mask came off and every single building has been targeted and destroyed with nothing left standing. This goes way beyond “eye for an eye” to an unprecedented level of evil.
Gaza is going to be a toxic wasteland uninhabitable by anyone except for a small coastal settlement of Israeli oil workers who will extract the natural gas reserves off the Gaza coast once every Palestinian is either dead or exiled.
The uninhabitable ruins of Gaza will someday become a Holocaust II museum similar to the still standing Atomic Bomb Dome in Hiroshima. The irony of the Israelis becoming Holocaust II perpetrators is one for the history books.
Again, mental illness on display.
No, a fairly accurate assessment of the current situation.
Indeed. These people’s ignorance astounds. Ask them why the palestinians aren’t welcomed in any other arab country and they’ll start drooling on themselves.
The Palestinians focused on concert goers daycare centers women and children slaughtered babies raped women took hostages killed hostages filmed these attrocities celebrated the news of these attrocities you sir are a fool .
? Evidence
They did not know about concert goers, and their cars were hit by 30mm chain guns on Apaches; lots of eye witness testimony.
Not a single rape case involves an identified person.
No babies were killed, save a boy of 2 years old hit by a bullet from cross fire that penetrated a car door. We do know from eye witness testimony that whole families were burnt by Israeli tank shells.
Israel has not conducted forensics or investigations; they don’t have to. They already know many of those killed were victims of the IDF and their Hannibal doctrine.
I didn’t know The Hamas Times had mail subscriptions….
hamas boot licker
The “concert” was a rave and it was moved closer to the border just days prior by Israelis officials in order to ensure October 7th became an “international incident”. Why did it take the IDF over 7 hours to respond? How does the most secure border in the world suddenly get caught off-guard on the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur War? Even after being warned by multiple intelligence agencies of an impending attack Israel was “caught off-guard”. This was an inside job in order to justify the bombing and destruction of an already occupied territory.
NO, it was an example of incredible stupidity. That ‘secure’ border is just a chain-link fence with some barbed-wire on it. As for ‘already occupied territory,’ you do know that Israel left Gaza in 2005, right? Left millions of dollars worth of ag equipment, farms and greenhouses behind. What did the Gazans do? Did they walk in an take over those farms and housing? Nope! They looted or destroyed everything they could get their hands on. Brainless morons. And instead of turning Gaza into an Islamic paradise, they used billions of donor dollars to make Gaza an armed camp. Only after Hamas started lobbing rockets into Israel did Israel and Egypt seal them off. face it, gazans are not wanted anywhere.
That’s how war works. You kill us. We kill you back. Gaza is getting exactly what they asked for. FAFO
Hmmm… would you be happy to apply that principle if the parties were reversed?
This never would have happened if Israel was not invaded on 7 Oct.
Oct 7th would never have happened if Israel went back to ’67 border, didn’t push 800,000 settlers into the last remaining potential area for the state of Palestine, and stopped killing Palestinians in large numbers for decades. The Palestinian Authority recognized Israel in 1993. Where is Israel’s recognition of Palestine? Do you really believe Israel is an innocent victim here?
https://x.com/Yesh_Din/status/1908048391788999053
what books have you read about the history of the middle east to inform your opinion? seriously, what have you read or studied?
HRW was once a fair reporter, but hasn’t been for years. You do seem to ignore the tiny elephant in the room that West Bank Arabs are only in danger of becoming a statistic when they TRY TO MURDER ISRAELIS, which is very often. Jenin and Nablus, you’ll never find more wretched hives of scum and villainy anywhere.
Is the West Bank still occupied?
The Israeli settlers, Israeli army, and Israeli police act like total jerks, even bullying Jewish people who try to get along with the Arabs.
x.com/AdameMedia/status/1917558999270003047
Eurointelligence , Now thats a good one ! What does Eurointelligence say about the blacks killing whites in SA . Better yet what does expert Mish say about it since you have become and expert in these kind of happenings . The palistinians attacked Isreal and killed many even innocent women and children and filmed their attrocities for all to see and brag about the torture and killings and even celebrated it to the world .
I guess Hamas should not have attacked on Oct 7 and then refused to return the hostages.
Israel has been trying to exterminate the men, women, and children of Palestine since 1947. This genocide has nothing to do with Hamas or the POW’s they captured on Oct. 7
Your lack of knowing any history is truly astounding. Did you go to some special school to become so dumb?
jhrodd is correct. You might want to put down the slogans and dig deeper.
If [the] principle [of self-determination] is to rule, and so the wishes of Palestine’s population are to be decisive as to what is to be done with Palestine, then it is to be remembered that the non-Jewish population of Palestine — nearly nine-tenths of the whole — are emphatically against the entire Zionist program.. To subject a people so minded to unlimited Jewish immigration, and to steady financial and social pressure to surrender the land, would be a gross violation of the principle just quoted…No British officers, consulted by the Commissioners, believed that the Zionist program could be carried out except by force of arms. The officers generally thought that a force of not less than fifty thousand soldiers would be required even to initiate the program. That of itself is evidence of a strong sense of the injustice of the Zionist program…The initial claim, often submitted by Zionist representatives, that they have a ‘right’ to Palestine based on occupation of two thousand years ago, can barely be seriously considered.” Quoted in “The Israel-Arab Reader” ed. Laquer and Rubin.
you conveniently forget that Jews have lived there continuously for 3,000 years. Yes, even after Titus sacked the Temple and murdered what Jews he could get his hands on, some Jews survived and remained there. So since the Muslims invaded 1400 years ago, they get to decide the future? Nah, under their control, Palestine was a desolate, malaria-ridden backwater, just as mark Twain described it.
Some Jews survived there, converted to Islam and now call themselves Palestinians. These Palestinians are now being exterminated by European immigrants with far less Levantine DNA than they have. Look it up.
Or: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy8VYdCkOLo&list=PLamz4H8s6AwyzBUAo8LHkg873hsGTon-r&index=2&ab_channel=History.Culture.projects
Regardless, biblical claims have zero meaning today.
your stupidity is remarkable. Truly, it’s impressive how propagandized one person can be. Here’s a cookie.
It appears he went to the same educational establishment as you
look out!! there’s a jew behind the tree over there!
And until they do, Israel gets to commit war crimes, violate international law and non-psychopathic morality. But only Israelis get to do so.
Exactly, again Hamas screwed up, Israel will continue yup!
Found a supporter of war crimes, lawlessness and psychopathy here!
We have been hearing about starvation in Gaza every day for the last 19 months and no one has starved, except the Israeli hostages. During the last cease fire, Israel allowed in over 1.5 million tons of food, enough to feed the population for a year. There is plenty of food in Hamas’ warehouses. Virtually all of the food is initially taken by UNWRA, and handed over to Hamas, who in turn sells the supposedly free food to the Palestinians. If the world wants more food into Gaza they need to do one simple thing, free the hostages.
We can say a lot of negative stuff about Trump but don’t think he wants the genocide of the Palestinian people to be his legacy.
It won’t be his legacy. It will be Hamas’s.
Move them to the north shore suburbs of Chicago.
the Jordanian rejects referred to as another name have been refused entry any place else for good reason – they create their own problems and inflict themselves on other everyplace they go – will the caliphates of France and Ireland will take them?
The war could end immediately if Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, released the kidnapped hostages and surrendered. But it hasn’t.
The USA didn’t feed Japan while fighting it. Nobody said a word.
The Russians didn’t feed Germany while fighting it. Nobody said a word.
The Ukrainians aren’t feeding Russia while fighting it. Nobody is saying anything.
So why is Israel being forced to feed the people of Gaza while fighting it?
The collateral damage in Gaza is 100% the responsibility of Hamas.
Had Hamas not planned, trained, and executed the invasion of another country, the gang-rapes of women and girls, the mutilations and torture of men, women, and teenagers and infants, and then their slaughter them on a scale not seen since the Nazi concentration camps, then everyone would be alive and well In Gaza and every building would still be standing.
But Hamas did plan and invade Israel and did do all those atrocities to Israelis. Israel has every right and duty to wipe Hamas off the face of the earth and if takes the total destruction of Gaza to do it, just like the total destruction of cities in Japan by the USA and the destruction of Berlin by Russia, then that is what must be done.
It is a tragedy that in Islam, people have no value. Islam teaches in the Quran to kill infidel Jews and Christians, the unbelievers. It teaches that dying for Islam is the highest honor that can be achieved. Ahmadinejad, the old president of Iran once declared that if a million Muslims had to die to rid the earth of Israel, it would be worth it. Hamas doesn’t care if thousands of Gazans starve. That is between the people of Gaza and Hamas. Israel is fighting a war, the world should shut up and let them win it.
The attacks on Israel (suicide bombers, Oct 7th, rockets) could end immediately if Israel left the West Bank, East Jerusalem and stopped blockading Gaza, pulled up its 800,000+ settlers (colonists by law), dismantled its checkpoints and stopped stomping on Palestinian rights for the first time since 1917. The rest of your post is just bigotry, deflection, slander and blame-shifting to defend the indefensible. The world is slowly growing a spine.
Israel is on the wrong side of morality, the law and, increasingly, the opinion of humanity.
OMG! Your warped knowledge of history is amazing. The Jews have lived in ‘Palestine’ since before the Romans subjugated it 2000 years ago. Since before 1917? Arabs were murdering Jews in the region ever since the Muslim Horde conquered it. Did you forget the Arabs started all the wars against Israel? If the Arabs simply said, “Today, we will not attack and kill Jews,” then peace would break out immediately. But they never will because their ‘holy book’ tells them to kill the infidels wherever they find them. I’m sure I wasting my time since you obviously know everything there is to know on the subject.
You really need to put the bumper stickers down. The “arabs” you refer to are DNA-proven descendants from Canaanites (whose religion evolved into Judaism) and Israelites (subsequently converted to Christianity and Islam). Ashkenazi are >50% European DNA and are overwhelmingly immigrants to Palestine. Jews represented 3% of the population at the onset of Zionism. The conflict is simply that Jews from Europe wanted a home where Palestinians (the natives aaaaaaallllll the way back to pre-Canaanite times) lived. The theft of a state that should have been theirs and the subsequent expulsions are the core of this conflict. This is the war that the Yishuv started and Israel continues. If you believe any of these facts is incorrect, please tell me which one and I will support it.
of course Ashkenazi have European DNA, they’ve been in Europe for some 2025 years!
Are you seriousy pretending that today’s Palestinians are NOT descended from Arabs that conquered the region in the 600s?? Oddly they seem to identify as Arab, speak a language called Arabic and share a religion called Islam not Judaism.
Your narrative is false, and reflects the constantly evolving Arab Palestinian narrative. First they said Jews weren’t indigenous. That fell apart after archeologists kept findig Hebrew Jewish documents and tablets and cities thousnads of years old in what is now Israel, and the West Bank. So then they said, oh, actually, there were Jews there originally, but we’re descendent from them. What a bunch of nonsense. This is like white Americans claiming in 1400 years that they were the original Indians of the New World
he’s an ignoramus. he keeps repeating the same clap. it’s impressive how proud he is of being a fool, though. I bet he thinks biden is cancer free.
[ROTFLOL] And the probability of any of that ever happening is a big fat ZERO.
Do you have a plan B?
Nonsense. The West Bank was Jordanian and Gaza was Egyptian until 1967. So if things were so great with those areas not belonging to Israel why did they attack in 1967?
Even after 1967, from 72 to 1990, Palestinians could travel freely within Israel from Gaza and WB without roadblocks or checks. that ended with the First Intifada and got worse after the Second.
Yes, Israel should stop its war and find a humanitarian solution. But to pretend that Israel has been the evil bad guy for decades while the Palestinians just wanted to be left alone is risible and refuted easily by historical fact.
Palestinians want Israel gone. All of it. Stop pretending otherwise. Not just the WB, East Jerusalem, and Gaza. These areas were unquestionably NOT Israeli when Israel was formed. The Palestinians should have accepted the UN partition, just like dozens of countries accepted new borders after WWI and WWII. Had Hungarians engaged in 70 years of terrorism and murderous incursions into Romania to get the Transylvanian region they lost after WWI, Hungary would be a ruined hellhole as well.
i do not agree with how Israel is carrying out its campaign, but to take it back beyond that is counter historical.
It’s true, we didn’t feed those countries while we were fighting them.
But once we occupied them we most definitely fed them. Israel now occupies Gaza so it needs to feed the people there. Or they need to leave.
The BIG difference is that those countries surrendered and the leadership was put on trial for war crimes. Humanitarian aid to those countries began only after unconditional surrender. Gaza (Hamas) has not surrendered, the war is ongoing. Israel does not ‘occupy’ Gaza, it is fighting in Gaza. Big difference. Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005. What did Hamas do with its freedom? Did it turn Gaza into the Riviera of the Middle East? No, it turned Gaza into an armed camp to attack Israel. Israel will leave Gaza when Gaza is quiet, not before.
Gaza has been entirely blockaded the whole time. They don’t even have an airport.
You believe propaganda. You have both the facts and the motivations wrong. Gaza was not freed in 2005. Google is your friend.
Gaza was occupied:
Since then, the United Nations, many other international humanitarian and legal organizations, and most academic commentators have continued to regard the Gaza Strip as being under Israeli occupation due to Israel’s active control over the territory’s external affairs, as affirmed by the 2024 International Court of Justice advisory opinion.[3] Historically, according to Article 42 of the Hague Regulations and precedent in international law, it has been generally understood that a territory remains effectively occupied so long as a belligerent’s authority is established and exercised over it, even if said belligerent does not have ground forces deployed in the area.
The motivations were not to ‘free’ Gaza but to prevent a state. It is Israel that is the impediment to peace:
In October 2004, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s senior adviser, Dov Weissglass, explained the meaning of Sharon’s statement further:
Continued control of Gaza was considered to pose an impossible dilemma with respect to Israel’s ability to be a Jewish and democratic state in all the territories it controls.
You know who else didn’t surrender? Al-qaeda in Afghanistan for over 20 years that the US occupied the country.
You know what the US didn’t do during those 20 years?
1) Annex territory and call it the 51st state
2) Create American settlements in Afghanistan
3) Starve (or murder) the Afghanistan common people in an effort to get Al-qaeda to surrender or leave their caves.
In fact the US did plenty of hearts/minds aid to the people, setup a government etc. No reason Israel can’t do the same in Gaza. Continue to occupy Gaza militarily, set up a friendly government, rebuild and aid the people and kill any Hamas who leave their tunnels.
You can’t be as dumb as your post indicates!
BECAUSE multiple USA presidents pussyfooted around and DID NOT do your points 1-3 (and more), the USA was forced to tuck its tail between its legs and bail on Afghanistan, embarrassing all Americans.
Further the Taliban are now back in control of Afghanistan, women are again oppressed and denied education, even stoned to death as punishment for violating the strict laws of the Taliban.
Israel should have filled the Hamas tunnels with seawater on day 1 and then forcibly ushered all the Gazan Palestinians into Egypt. Netanyahu has been a wimp in waging the war having too much concern for the hostages, who should have been considered sacrificed form the getgo. Terrorists such as Hamas should not be allowed to hold anything over the heads of any government.
Indeed. The Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank do need to leave. This is the only way Israel will be able to live in peace.
Are Israelis’ desires more important than Palestinians’ rights, Jojo?
When did Gazan Palestinians obtain “rights”?
The only Palestinians who MIGHT have any rights were the original settlers (~750k of them) who were supposed to be allowed to stay temporarily in the territory of the new state of Israel in 1948 until they moved or died, whichever came first.
The welfare provided these leftovers who refused the generous offer of Israeli citizenship in 1948 was only to last for the then current generation. None of the benefits were meant to be extended to subsequent generations.
As such, the current occupiers of Gaza are essentially squatters and have no legal rights.
I meant the Jewish occupational forces need to go back to Israel. They can go back to preventing incursions by Hamas only they need to do it better next time since they failed so badly this time.
And what do they do about the constant shooting of rockets from Gaza into Israel? I’d call you dumb but I would be repeating myself.
As of the link below from 2021, they counted over 12000 rockets shot into Israel.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/306526
On Oct 7, 2023 Hamas fired 5000 rockets into Israel. Since that time, they fired another 7000+, showing how poor the IDF response to Hamas was originally.
Would YOU like to live in an area where the terrorists were allowed to take target practice at your country and city? I seriously doubt it.
Israel should have invaded Gaza when the 1st rocket was shot into Israel. But they were too wimpy to take the necessary action.
return the hostages. surrender. the war ends then.
Reminds of some history here in Los Angeles a few hundred years ago.When a horse disappeared the Spaniards slaughtered 600 gabrialenos, men, women and children. Although comparing a horse with people is not the best I think it illustrates the idea. There is a concept of proportionality in conflicts of which the leadership of Israel does not seem to understand. Israel is using the Israelis that were slaughtered in October as an excuse to push a genocidal agenda.
It’s worse than that since it’s well documented that most if not all of the Israeli deaths on Oct. 7 were inflicted by the IOF.
mental illness on display. We have hundreds of hours of GoPro video filmed by the Hamas goons themselves slaughtering the Israelis. Now go back in your room and play with yourself.
Ha’aretz, Oct 2024:
IDF Ordered Hannibal Directive on October 7 to Prevent Hamas Taking Soldiers Captive
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-07/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-ordered-hannibal-directive-on-october-7-to-prevent-hamas-taking-soldiers-captive/00000190-89a2-d776-a3b1-fdbe45520000
yep. fools like jhrodd have no interest in facts. he’s propagandized/programmed to believe what he is told to believe. It’s mass stupidity.
I’ve heard the allegations but haven’t seen any quantification. Can you point us to credible sources?
There is no genocide by Israel. Maybe 30,000 Gazans have died. Probably more Hamas soldiers have died fighting. If Israel was ‘genocidal,’ 500,000 Gazans would be dead. But they’re not, so save your pronouncements for when real genocide takes place, like the Muslim militias slaughtering black Christians in Africa almost every week.
You an apologist for the disgusting POS that is Netanyahu and his fascists. I await the day he stands trial in the Hague just like the Serbian warlords.
cry me a river to the sea.
You’re a Holocaust denier.
There is no proportionality in war. This is a warped POV by bleeding heart leftists that actually only serves to prolong wars.
War should be about trampling the weak and hurtling the dead.
You are ignoring the hundreds of women & minors being held without charge, and the thousands of men raped and tortured. Letting the hostages go would just perpetuate all the crimes the terrorist entity has been committing for decades.
The US didn’t feed Japan because Japan is a large country that grows its own food supply, and the US didn’t control Japan until after it surrendered. Gaza is a small desert/beach city blockaded by Israel.
i am no fan of Hamas, i assure you, but what Israel is doing is wrong. there is no military benefit to starving out the population, and this tactic is a war crime.
Fuck Israel, Free Palestine!
No such place, Nimrod.
Rothschilds Israel is not the Israel of the Bible.
The Israel of the bible is some of Israel today. Close enough.
I sorry you can’t see it… but 144 nations do (more and more every year), and also see that Israel occupies it. And as American support for Israel fell from >80% to below 50% today, their largest patron will be forced to recognize it too. Eventually Israel will be forced to adhere to civilized behavior on the world stage and in the region.
And you see how very little effect these 144 nations have on Israel or the world in general.
Yes, I agree Israel has no respect for law and only selectively for morality, but how does your comment sound in its original German?
your ham and cheese is ready at the encampment. don’t worry, the ham is halal.
at the gates the lord will not look so kindly on the christians that continue to defend israel’s genocides simply because their megachurch leader says so
You speak for the Lord? How’d you get that job?
It’s the new Pope posting here under a psyudemon 🙂
I think Kevin means somebody like John Hagee.
says Netanyahu’s mouthpiece????
call me when the shuttle lands.
Trump wanted to put a new McDs on one street corner and a Nathan’s Hot Dogs on the next. No one would be hungry. The Gazans need to overthrow Hamas. Maybe its Stockholm syndrome, maybe its just good old fashioned fear. The Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto staged an uprising, in vain, against their occupiers. History is not a nice place. I don’t think that genocide is the proper term. Maybe Dresden was a genocide but no one calls it that. Or Hiroshima. As long as Hamas is fighting, they need to be dealt with, meaning wiped out. That, or they turn nukes on Hamas’ patrons, the Ayatollahs. Then we might get into actual genocide and no one wants that.
“The Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto staged an uprising, in vain, against their occupiers.”…
Have you considered that violent resistance against Israeli occupation by Palestinians is exactly this? You have the analogy correct, but are confused about which party, today, is analogous to which party of the Warsaw uprising.
As long as Israel occupies Palestine (defined as ’67 borders), unless Israel kills the 7 mn Palestinians, they will fight for their freedom. And they have the moral and legal right to do so.
your analogy is false as the Warsaw Ghetto Jews were being rounded up for extermination for simply existing. Israeli Arabs have full rights in Israel. What is this ‘freedom’ you talk about? The freedom to be rid of the Jews? Nobody bothers them as long as they don’t try to stab you in the neck or blow up cafes or busses. Everyone conveniently forgets that Israel is facing jihad, that there is no rational way to convince the Arabs to put down their knives and guns since the Quran, which they believe to be the most perfect book in all of human history, tells them to kill infidels, especially in lands that once were conquered by Islam. That’s the thorn in Islam’s side- Israel’s existence proves the Quran is fallible and therefore Mohammed was fallible.
Yes, I’m sure if the Catalonians had demanded and won a state in majority Muslim Palestine, the Palestinians would still be fighting Jews.
Israel is facing a war of its own making.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EtNFXL_ykg&ab_channel=SaadTasleem
The mice certainly are blind.
no, your analogy would work with the Arabs living IN Israel since the Warsaw Ghetto Jews were citizens of Poland. But in fact Israeli Arabs are much better off than Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.
and yet Hamas is made up of mostly if not all Hamas members
Every American should be ashamed that our government continues to support this genocide and act of terrorism. We could fight the ‘war on terrorism’ by starting with Israel.
The military industrial complex has swiftly disabused your idealism of that notion.
we didnt fight the tyranny of Barrack o Biden
Every American should also be ashamed that any criticism of Israel is deemed “antisemitism” by our Congress and legal US residents are being jailed and deported for their free speech protesting Israel’s actions. This is probably why most Americans now have an unfavorable opinion of Israel. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/04/08/how-americans-view-israel-and-the-israel-hamas-war-at-the-start-of-trumps-second-term/
We are, quite literally, destroying core American values and ignoring American laws in order to support one particular foreign nation. It’s baffling. Perhaps it’s the $3bn in annual funding Israel sends the U.S. every year?
Free-speech protesting does not include barging into classrooms and spreading pro-hamas propaganda. It does not include barring students from certain parts of college campuses. It does not include inciting people to riot. Yelling ‘Fire’ in a movie theater will get you arrested. Yelling ‘Kill the Jews’ in a riot in front of a university building where some Jewish students are holed up should get you arrested and expelled from that university.
Three questions for my three blind friends:
The South Korean student did none of those things. Yet, the US government tried to come down on her all because of a foreign nation and traitorous dual citizens of that foreign nation.
cry me a river to the sea.