Netanyahu says Israel will eliminate Hamas, as U.N. warns mass relocation to enclave’s south would be disastrous
The Wall Street Journal reports Gaza Residents Brace for Israeli Offensive After Evacuation Demand
Residents of Gaza braced for a lengthy assault by the Israeli military, which on Friday demanded a mass evacuation of some of the territory’s most densely populated neighborhoods.
Early Friday, Israel’s military airdropped fliers over Gaza City, warning civilians that they should move south in advance of a military operation against Hamas.
“It will be lengthy. It will be lethal. It will be powerful. And it will be for forever,” said Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, during a news conference with U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin in Tel Aviv on Friday.
A senior Egyptian official said late Friday that Egypt and the U.S. are close to a deal allowing foreigners to leave Gaza via Egypt.
The United Nations and other humanitarian agencies said Israel’s call to evacuate would affect more than one million people in northern Gaza—about half of the strip’s population—and deepen a humanitarian emergency there. All of Gaza has been experiencing a full blackout since Thursday afternoon that has brought health, water and sanitation services to the brink of collapse.
“You must evacuate your homes immediately and go to the south of Wadi Gaza,” read the fliers dropped over Gaza City, referring to a valley that crosses the strip roughly 4 miles south of the city center.
On Friday evening, another spokesman for the Israeli military posted a map labeled with a route starting from a city north of Gaza City and extending south. “The [Israel Defense Forces] will refrain from touching the route marked on the map until [8 p.m. Friday],” he wrote in Arabic.
Flee to the South How?
Egypt has closed its border to Palestinians.
Also consider Egypt Can Save Gaza’s Civilians, but Cairo won’t let Palestinians enter from its Rafah crossing.
Israel’s military on Friday warned roughly 1.1 million civilians to evacuate the northern part of the Gaza strip.
Egypt is the only place to which Gaza’s civilians can flee for now. Yet Cairo insists on maintaining its strict quota for entries from Gaza via the Rafah crossing—with only 800 able to leave on Monday, and the crossing reportedly closed in recent days.
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi bears no warm feelings toward Hamas, which is allied with the Muslim Brotherhood that tried to impose an Islamist regime in his country not too long ago. He’s concerned that Hamas terrorists might slip across the border into Egypt with a tide of civilians.
German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock on Friday offered a template for her peers: “Hamas brings nothing but suffering and death to the people—in Israel and in Gaza.
No government can afford to abet Hamas’s strategy, intentionally or not, and that includes Egypt.
There’s more than a bit of irony in what the Journal proposes: In the lead sentence the Journal says Egypt can save Gaza’s civilian but the ending sentence warns of the problem of doing so.
Egypt does not want Hamas terrorists in its country any more than the US does.
I do not have any answers and I don’t think anyone else does either.
But before anyone criticizes Israel for what happens next, please note the rules: If You Don’t Openly Condemn Hamas, Then Don’t Complain What Happens Next
And Sunday, according to the Jerusalem Post, Israel turned the water back on to southern Gaza.
To get people to go there. Good idea.
You didn’t think it was for goodwill now did you
»If You Don’t Openly Condemn Hamas, Then Don’t Complain What Happens Next
True, but so is:
»If You Don’t Openly Condemn Israel, Then Don’t Complain What Happens Next
Everybody has predicted the current debacle for decades.
Hamas is full of people who watched siblings die when they were children.
According to PM Rabin and many others, Hamas is a creature of Israel, nourished and nurtured since the 70’s by the Israeli State, that wanted to sow division in Palestine ranks and counter-balance the PLO.
I do not support killing babies.
I do not support killing babies that have grown up either.
My proposal would be to rescue the 350,000 kids under 5 years old, and bring them up as little Jews, helping to solve the Jewish demographic problem.
Israel doesn’t have a demographic problem at all.
Two wars will mean sizzling inflation. $10 and even $15 dollar per gallon gas is a possibility. Make sure you own a well located single family home.
Both these wars started on the Democrats watch. The CIA, FBI, and the State Department screwed up. The people in charge of those agencies need to be replaced.
“Both these wars started on the Democrats watch.”
Interesting point, Democrats forced Putin to invade Ukraine then bomb, rape and murder innocent’s, then told Hamas to savagely kill.
I imagine they did this from their secret cannibalistic pedophile headquarters in the pizza shop basement where they keep the Jewish space lasers, am I right?
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Better yet a multi family Single family homes are no longer viable
Yeah they actually did by overthrowing the democratically elected President in the Ukraine Remember Hitlary, Vicky Nudelmann and crazy Johnny “ pistol” McCain starting trouble in 2014 and don’t be so dismissive regarding sick pedofiles in power in DC Remember Podesta and Jeffy Epstein Yeah me too
All based on the intercept of a text by then Ukraine ambassador that she didn’t like Zelensky’s brother as a politician, he’s been in office since, and it turns out a pro boxer actually makes a good leader.
He was elected, her personal opinion of him was hers alone.
But yes, let’s weave that thread into a sweater, replete with Hilary taking control of a government.
I’m no Hilary fan, but FFS, let’s keep the dirt real, there’s plenty of it.
Space lasers, cannibal pedophiles …Oh my!
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Biden admin. removed oil sanctions on Iran which allowed them to send billions$$ to Iran & Hezbollah. During the Trump admin. Hamas & Hezbollah fighters were complaining about not being paid. MIGA = Make Iran Great Again!
“U.N. warns mass relocation to enclave’s south would be disastrous” – No mention of the Disaster to Israel if they stay?
Early Friday, Israel’s military airdropped fliers over Gaza City, warning civilians that they should move south in advance of a military operation against Hamas. (A Clear statement of their intentions is a whole lot more than Israel got, isn’t it!)
On Friday evening, another spokesman for the Israeli military posted a map labeled with a route starting from a city north of Gaza City and extending south. “The [Israel Defense Forces] will refrain from touching the route marked on the map until [8 p.m. Friday],” he wrote in Arabic. (Even going further with a Complete Road MAP of Clear Rules of Engagement. AGAIN Way More than Israel received from Hamas now ISN’T IT!!!)
“It will be lengthy. It will be lethal. It will be powerful. And it will be for forever,” (A Crystal Clear Intention, based on decades of atrocities and outright killings of Israel Citizens for nothing but being Jewish. This from the very People Israel Gave the Land to, and has offered peace and prosperity to as well)
Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi bears no warm feelings toward Hamas, which is allied with the Muslim Brotherhood that tried to impose an Islamist regime in his country not too long ago. He’s concerned that Hamas terrorists might slip across the border into Egypt with a tide of civilians. (Egypt, much like ALL the surrounding area Countries, are highly concerned with Hamas Terrorist entering into there Countries from Palestine Land were they are allowed to live and operate untouched)
Cairo insists on maintaining its strict quota for entries from Gaza via the Rafah crossing—with ONLY 800 able to leave on Monday, and the crossing reportedly closed in recent days.(They see what is and has been occurring in Israel for decades because they have allowed thousands of them in Palestine Territory to operate and cause mayhem in Israel and around the Globe)
German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock on Friday offered a template for her peers: “Hamas brings nothing but suffering and death to the people—in Israel and in Gaza. (Germany and the U.S. is behind Israel in this effort to once and for all rid their country of these savages, and their ability to wreak havoc on Israel Any Longer. So should The EU and the Rest of the Civilized World!!!)
Egypt does not want Hamas terrorists in its country any more than the US does. I do not have any answers and I don’t think anyone else does either. (No Country wants Terrorists in its Country obviously, and Israel does have an answer to the marauding uncivilized terrorists in there Country, and that is to “Eliminate The Threat” which is exactly what they, Egypt, U.S., EU, AND every Civilized Nation Should and Would Also Do!!!
God Speed Israel
The Trail of Tears was the forced relocation of Indigenous peoples from the southeast region of the United States to Indian Territory, or present-day Oklahoma. The journey took place in the 1830s and 1840s.
The Five Tribes affected by the Trail of Tears were: Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole.
The Trail of Tears was part of Andrew Jackson’s Indian removal policy. The Cherokee people called the journey the “Trail of Tears” because of its devastating effects.
The Trail of Tears affected approximately 100,000 Indigenous people. The journey was fatal for one-fourth of the Cherokee
And the people of Gaza can’t walk to Oklahoma.
Israel is sowing 2 million dragon teeth
But the difference is that the Cherokees and their enemies were not surrounded by peoples friendly to the Cherokees, whose population is innumerable.
If you wonder how this will be resolved you only have to study how ISIS was beaten and the Caliphate destroyed. The playbook is there to destroy Hamas in the same manner. How the people who lived in the Caliphate were treated afterwards is equally there. Some people here think that this is business as usual and that all will fall back into its familiar pattern, but it isn’t and it won’t. This time it is different.
Hamas Bears the Blame for Every Death in This War
Oct. 15, 2023, 12:00 a.m. ET
Bret Stephens
On Friday the Israeli government gave civilians in the northern Gaza Strip 24 hours to evacuate to the southern part of the territory, in anticipation of a major military offensive. Hamas, for its part, “told Gaza residents to stay put, despite Israel’s deadline,” Reuters reported the same day.
Reasonable people can criticize Israel for not allowing enough time for civilians to get out of harm’s way: There are, especially, elderly, disabled and sick Gazans — and those who help them — who may be effectively homebound.
Reasonable people can also oppose other measures that Israelis have taken in response to the deadliest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. It seems neither right nor smart for Israel to cut off water and electricity to Gaza until Hamas’s hostages are returned — not because Israel shouldn’t do whatever it takes to obtain their release but because the people who suffer most from the action are the ones who have the least say over the fate of the hostages. Hamas’s leaders, I’m sure, have amply supplied themselves and their forces with fuel, generators, potable water and other essentials.
But what reasonable people cannot debate is the cynicism with which Hamas is conducting its side of the war. It’s a cynicism the wider world should not reward with our credulity, lest we once again turn ourselves into Hamas’s useful idiots.
Consider: Hamas launched an attack with a wantonness like what the Nazis showed at Babyn Yar or ISIS at Sinjar. It did so knowing that it would provoke the most furious Israeli response possible. Why put millions of Palestinians at risk? Because Hamas has learned that it profits at least as much from Palestinian deaths as it does from Israeli ones — the more of each, the better.
Murdering Jews is an end in its own right for Hamas, because it believes it fulfills a theological aim. The original Hamas covenant invokes this injunction: “The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: ‘O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’” Hamas later softened the language from “Jews” to “Zionists” and “kill” to “resisting the occupation with all means and methods,” but the meaning is the same.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/opinion/hamas-war-israel-gaza.html
Probably it will be difficult. We will see
https://sonar21.com/is-israel-unprepared-to-fight-hamas/
“It will be lengthy. It will be lethal. It will be powerful. And it will be for forever”
Aloso known as genocide? Isn’t this what Hitler attempted to do the Jews? Didn’t that approach blow up in Hitler’s face? I’m ethnically Jewish, by the way. This move seems supremely stupid, but exactly what I’d expect from Netanyahu.
He needs this to remain in power. He’s under a lot of corruption investigation and this happened at a fortuitous time for him. One could almost imagine he might have had advanced warning and let something happen to galvanize the country behind him. Clearly didn’t expect it to be this bad of course.
Almost a mirror of 9/11…
Almost 😀
Yup sure sounds like a Hitleresque type of thing alright Netanyahoo is a monster and thank god for good people like yourself for calling it out I wish more everyday Germans had had your courage and insight back in the day
I used to think the majority on the left in America hated mostly white heterosexual Christian men, traditional values. But now the Jews! It all fits! It makes sense! Hatred for Jews and Christians here and around the world perhaps may b the beginning of the end of the age silly as that may sound to most people. An objective analysis of the whole history of Palestine along with Israel won’t listen by those on the left because they embrace the evil side, the lie! Where is truth in America these days? The further a society drifts from the truth, the more they hate those who speak it.
A is defeating B. B can’t fight back all that much. Most will likely die. A is surrounded by mostly B supporters. A has support of the most powerful military in the world. B supporters can’t stand up to it. A wins. B is really really mad but not much they can do but get ornery and angry.
“A has support of the most powerful military in the world. B supporters can’t stand up to it.”
That is by now largely history.
Xi has stated he supports a two state solution on ’67 borders. The way the world is going, Xi is very likely to get what he wants. Also, I can pretty much guarantee that the last thing he wants, is for some run-amuck US constellation of overarmed, self-rightous has-beens; to continue mindlessly dictating terms in areas they have little to no business involving themselves in at all.
Russia, the gun shop masquerading as a country, will hence be given an effectively free pass to sell weapons to anyone over there they want to. Only restriction perhaps being to not over discriminate for/against some, over others, in order to keep things balanced.. The Russkies have to fund their Ukraine campaign one way or the other, after all. Higher oil prices, and weapons sales en masse to those benefitting from higher oil prices, being exactly the way to do that. So: Do that they will.
American taxpayers cannot even remotely afford to keep Israel equipped to stare down that sort of, massively distributed hence untargetable, arsenal. Rendering it very likely that Trumpo’s “Abraham Accords” will indeed go down in history as “Peak Israel.” Israel has had a bit of a run over the past few decades. But being hitched to the biggest ship in the world, doesn’t do much good anymore, when that ship is hellbent on doing a Titanic reenactment.
Judaism needs a place to call its own. It’s a homeless religion without a country. Because of Israel’s relatively small size and population, every attack is an existential threat against Judaism.
IT WAS A FALSE FLAG don’t you understand
‘Israel promises lengthy, lethal, lethal, powerful and forever destruction of Hamas.’
Substitute Palestine for Hamas and the headline would be more accurate.
Was out all day with the eclipse and other hiking been up since 2:00AM.
When you get back, do some research on home much all this illegal immigration is pushing up rent inflation. Stop just reporting the outcomes and start calling out a major underlying cause.
Thanks!
American ZioCon Ben is worried about rent inflation Nice
There was some kinda eclipse thing on 10/13/1917.
Gee Mish you missed all the fun Lots of psychopathic Crazies posting lots of obvious hate speech on here They should be ashamed of themselves as this whole thing stinks to high Heaven and is an obvious false flag landgrab
There appears to be a similarity between Isreal/Hamas and U.S./Al Queda relationships, with the notable exception that the latter aren’t geographic neighbors.
Is it safe to presume that some territory will be annexed and ‘settled’ in the north after the land has been tenderized?
Has been in progress for a loooong time: https://packaged-media.redd.it/vkf7laiwb4ub1/pb/m2-res_530p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1697342400&s=1028432637f5aa5852400fc8abffd2eb86a4e2ce#t=0
I hope that is one other reason why they want to push the Gazans south across the waterway, which would make a natural border.
Israel should just annex Gaza and force march any remaining Gazans to the West Bank.
Then resettle the are with Israeli’s.
Why waste time with the forced march? Just have the military kill them all.
Obviously neither of those things is going to happen nor would it be allowed to happen.
Yeah sure that’s what they should do you moronic fool
I call BS on the possibility that Israel and the US intelligence agencies missed this, just could not happen.
It’s been widely reported that Shin Bet knew the day before that Hamas was carrying out very usual movements. Why they “missed” this needs to be investigated.
It’s obvious to anybody with a reasoning brain It was allowed to happen even encouraged or a false flag to rationalize their lawn mowing maneuvers Disgusting Mossad doing what they do best Remember 911 and Jeffrey Epstein WE do from New York believe me
More likely, mirroring the parable about the boy who cried WOLF! too often, Israeli PTB became shy of overreacting to each Hamas attacks alert that didn’t pan out and having fingers pointed at them by their media and Israeli citizens that they were scaring everyone needlessly. So the intelligence agencies branded everything a false alert.
Occam’s razor.
“I call BS on the possibility that Israel and the US intelligence agencies missed this, just could not happen.”
Idiots miss all manners of stuff all the time.
Ditto those busy with more lucrative pursuits.
The latter referring to Shin Bet in the Netanyahu era.
Mossad are NOT idiots and neither is the CIA but conviently “ missed” 911 too Give me a break
“…idiots and neither is the CIA…”
You know anyone impressive, they have successfully managed to recruit recently?
The Mossad situation is a bit different. Living in a country with its population’s back, literally, against the wall in an existential struggle; is a great motivator to contribute what one can. A bit like the US during the early cold war, when the Commies were building nuclear capabilities faster than “we” could.
Motivation suffers even in Israel, though; once everyone recognises that a cluster of mediocre slimeballs “at the top”, are doing little else than abusing the heck out of this inbuilt, implied loyalty. Effectively using other Israelis as little more than human shields, while aggressively pursuing nothing but their own drunk-on-power agenda. Pushing every string until it breaks; then expecting to again and again be bailed out, since the alternative is the very possibly destruction of Israel itself and everyone in it.
Israeli intelligence, for better or worse, delivered to the government the biggest stick any intelligence program in history ever have. Expecting them to wield it wisely. Talking, and acting, softly.
Not to do absolutely everything but. One-upping eachother, and themselves, in ever crasser displays of purely self serving chutzpah; in the process putting the entire country more and more directly on a maximum confrontation course with increasingly the entire sentient world.
I sort of thought already that Israel was in a forever war with Hamas. Didn’t realize there had been peace or even a ceasefire declared.
The military action won’t last long. The rest of the world hasn’t historically supported it nor is it likely they will now as civilian casualties skyrocket (dead civilians all over CNN won’t backed by America won’t help Biden or any other Western politicians reelection chances). Israel needs to make it a brief incursion, kill as many Hamas as you can find and seal as many tunnels as possible and then retreat and once again lock down the area as best as they can.
Then wait for it to happen again in another decade or so when the next batch of kids grows up. The current batch came from the 2010 military invasion. All those kids who watched that have grown up now and were the current Hamas fighters.
… each crop angrier than the one before.
Israel Colonel talking extensive on the TV has said the occupation of Gaza could take 3-6 months.
Israel is serious about beating back Hamas.
Be interesting to see if Israel will be able to afford to feed, clothe, shelter and provide medical care for 3-6 months for 2+ million people.
As I mentioned above, the West loses interest quickly and starts to push for Israel to leave. Once the West stops flowing money, Israel costs will skyrocket.
“Be interesting to see if Israel will be able to afford to feed, clothe, shelter and provide medical care for 3-6 months for 2+ million people.”
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Why would they need to do that? DON’T do any of that and some percentage will expire while hopefully, the remainder will migrate to the West Bank or other countries.
The goal is for Israel to take complete ownership of Gaza.
Isreal has seized and retained territory of all it’s neighboring countries, “leberstraum” for all the Jews it has invited from Russia and elsewhere to settle in Israel. Gaza will be a bit more after they drive the residents into the ocean or into the desert without water.
Jojo you are truly the most sick, demented excuse for a human being that I have ever experienced Get help
You circumcized , by any chance Jojo ?
I condemn both Israel and Hamas. This is the culmination of decades of incremental Israeli terrorism-by-bulldozer against the Palestinians.
Suppose the Palestinians flee EAST en masse rather than South? What could Israel do to 2 million Palestinians who have streamed into Israel? Would one-state-for-all, and the end of apartheid, then be a fait accompli?
Imagine this: on signal — e.g. the demolition of large sections of the Gaza wall with Israel — every able-bodied Gazan sprints over the rubble and runs like hell straight for the Al Aqsa Mosque. That’s how history is made, folks.
It could happen.
They would be slaughtered if they went east. Israel is hysterical right now.
Israel left Gaza in 2005 which resulted in the Fatah vs Hamas power struggle. Fatah lost and its leadership were swiftly executed. It’s all been down hill for Gaza since then and 100% of that is the fault of Hamas, not Israel.
I think we all need a time out to listen to this Israeli teenager who suffered through this horrible attack. She has more wisdom than the entire US congress.
https://youtu.be/c74Zdvpt5xc?si=w_pqtI74Yot7gdKh
I’m sure that at least 90% of Gaza residents are innocent, peace loving humans, and I think Israel is making a huge, irretrievable mistake if they “level” Gaza. It might even mean the end of Israel as a functioning state, and/or precipitate a large Middle East war.
Probably a lot higher than 90%. More than 2 million people in there so if it’s 90% would mean on the order of 20-30 thousand Hamas terrorists. I doubt the number is that high.
Those who knowingly shelter, feed, clothe, have sex with, raise their children to be terrorists, etc. And then there are those countries that support Hamas through $millions of donations and supply weapons.
There are a lot of guilty parties and it’s time they are eliminated. Think of the money that will be saved by Iran when Hamas is gone.
Won’t happen. The first time you shot some 50 year old unarmed grandmother of a Hamas guy with the only justification being that they were related, you’d lose 100% Western support and likely forever.
Gee, think of the money the US would save if Israel was gone.
Didn’t say that was a good idea.
What is a terrorist? Isn’t Israel dropping bombs on Gaza City, leveling entire city blocks terrorism? How about the murders perpetrated by Israel against PalestIans over the past years with their use of disproportionate force. Thus, by your own logic, Israel needs to be eliminated. Is that your argument? If so Hamas agrees with you.
Do you hear yourself ? You wrote “ it’s time they were eliminated” sounds very Hitleresque to me you bastard
Check the math-
10% of 2 million is 200,000.
There are direct Hamas members and there are supporters of Hamas. Are they not one and the same and should be treated the same?
If you add in the Hamas supporters, not only because they may hate Israel and Jews but also because they get food, medical care, apartments, jobs, income and more from Hamas and the number of Hamas plus bound sycophant’s increases by orders of magnitude.
IMO, there are little who are innocent in Gaza.
What you are describing is genocide. There is zero, none, nada chance you can kill all those people. Western support would dry up in nano seconds once the bodies started showing on CNN, Twitter etc.
Armed Hamas members are the only valid targets. There will be only a few thousand of those.
I don’t disagree that the Hamas terrorists, you know, those wearing the tee shirts or sporting tattoo’s that state “I am a Hamas Terrorist” are the primary targets.
But there are a lot more than just the Hamas terrorists who are also complicit and therefore, valid targets because they support Hamas in one way or another.
You are of course, entitled to your own opinion. No matter how wrong it may be. And I seriously doubt that Israel cares what your personal opinion is.
Nah, they should kill all who even think about Hamas – even once.
China has the proper attitude.
/sarc
They voted in Hamas in 2006 after Fatah was beaten militarily.
It’s like history is repeating itself in the US now that the sheep voted in FJB. Let’s see how bad things get in the US, if we stay on the same trajectory that these Marxist, Socialist want.
Not good, I suppose.
They got to vote once, then like Germany in 1933 the party that got voted in decided that elections were no longer necessary. Gazians, like Germans in 1933, went along with it and supported Hamas to the hilt.
Is that anything like not voting in Ukraine?
90 percent is a bit optimistic IMO, but this is not a question of war. This was and will be the killing innocent people including women and children that can never be justified, from either side.
What makes them innocent? As I wrote above, if they accept support from Hamas in any number of way’s, including via income handouts, patronage jobs, free apartments, free food and so forth, then they are NOT INNOCENT!
They may not be innocent but that also doesn’t mean a death sentence either. So what’s your plan given you can’t jail millions either.
Mostly its going to be to ignore those people.
I say kill them. Call it an accident. Call it collateral damage. Whatever.
Palestinians are good at making new babies. [shrug]
How naive you truly are So by your logic all of Netanyahoos supporters should be murdered too as he can certainly be described as a terrorist by many people You’re totally deluded and brainwashed jojo
West blamed illegal immigrants, refugees for the chaos but never criticise their own actions – war, impoverishing, chaos in ME, Africa, South America and elsewhere.
And conspiracy theory –
Israel let this massacre happen so that they can officially commit genocide against Palestinian and steal the land completely and permanently.
Its worth to sacrifice this small amount of Jews to commit this crime.
World’s best intelligence should know everything happening in the most secured open prison, Gaza strip with only illegal secret tunnel to Egypt.
Its almost impossible that Israel doesn’t know about this large amount of ammunition and gears in the Strip.
Can you name a few governments that haven’t “stolen land”? And when you name one or two, please tell us where the victims you are concerned about got their land.
All this land stealing goes back ways.
So we can never grow as a civilization and morally? If might makes right, why are we then asked to cry for what happen in Israel? Seem you should just be accepting it as part of a power play.
Oh I see your logic Tons of horrible injustices were perpetrated on indigoneous people in the past so it’s ok for you to continue Right? Is that your arguement you freaking psychopathic nutjob ? Huh
It isn’t a single tunnel but 100s. Egypt had to demolish houses on our side of the border to make it harder to build tunnels. Both ours and the Israeli government try to stop the tunnels/destroy them as stuff and fighters can go either direction such as for the terror campaign that has been ongoing for years in Northern Sinai and has claimed more lives than what has happened in Gaza
Sounds like a Dunkirk situation, send in the boaters.
I have, since the late ’60s, found it curious and amusing to watch politicians of many countries attempt to eradicate an idea by force of arms.
Hamas is not a country you can go to war against, it is an idea.
You cannot eliminate evil by War. But it’s sometimes it is worth trying to. This is one of those times.
War is politics by other means. If Israel would have negotiated a two state solution, this would never have happen. But instead it decided to let the problem fester. Bombing and killing innocent Palestinians only compounds the evil.
I suspect this whole episode was intentional and a land grab by Nutty-Yahoo.
Then you’re going to war against the idea, which ultimately is the same thing.
Evil does not fix evil. Killing innocent Palestinians does fix the killing of innocent Israelis. You are advocating evil and using name calling as justification. Israel is likely to stand back and bomb Northen Gaza to rumble. The IDF doesn’t want to go in a fight in deadly urban combat. Their casualty rate will be way too high. The IDF got a serious mauling last time they engaged with Hezbollah.
Let’s see what happens, Alex. Israel IS NOT evil. Hamas is the evil doers, but you’re too blinded to see that. It’s going to get REAL when Iran gets directly involved and this thing goes sideways.
Let’s see how you feel when BLM grows to the point that it challenges the status quo via force of arms, and maybe your family is killed. Or maybe if we let the cartels’ influence continue to grow and down the road your kids succumb to all the drugs they’re spewing into the US.
Take you BS and go somewhere else, dude! You’re a Hamas apologist. Take up arms and go to Gaza and fight along side your barbaric friends. Let’s see how that works out for you once the IDF ground invasion starts.
Ben,
I didn’t say israel was evil. But those like Netanyahu who look for an excuse to bomb and kill innocent civilians are evil. Gaza has 2.4 million people. It is one of the most densely populated region on earth. To level entire city blocks in Gaza is evil. How many men, women and children are lying beneath that rumble. Don’t get caught up in the my side verses them. It’s time to stop the cycle of violence, not perpetuate it. Unfortunately the US acts as the enabler of this sin against humanity. Without US support Israel, would be forced to behave itself.
Says you Ben I’ve read and heard otherwise And of coarse many Israelis are good people but the govt sure looks evil to me
“Hamas is not a country you can go to war against, it is an idea.”
Lisa, there are good ideas and there are bad ideas. On a scale of bad ideas I would put Hamas way up there along with ISIS, slavery, Nazism and a few others. I would give them a 10. The Arab countries around them give them a 10 also. We have the example of ISIS. Earlier we had a similar movement in Algerria in the 1992 to 2002 that killed almost 200,000. The Insurrectionists used the same total barbaric practices that ISIS and Hamas used. The only ones that like Hamas are some who are far away and some Western intellectuals who because of their great intellect can rationalize anything.
I did not say that there were no bad ideas.
Yes there are evil ideas.
For example the Democratic Party in the US I would give an 8.
The Republicans only a 6.
Is that an 8 out of 8? Also does your ranking system break out the Rinos and neocons from the few sane Republicans?
Well at least Johnny “ bomb bomb Iran” McCain is gone after screwing up the Ukraine with his insanity
So *everyone* living in Gaza should be punished due to a sliver of underground Hamas terrorists? Every single person in northern Gaza (over a million) should permanently lose their homes and property over this? It’s like saying Los Angeles should be bombed to oblivion because of the Watts riots, or some other such nonsense. Give me a break.
Fat chance, and even if they do, the Israelis will just create another monster just like they created Hamas. The Israelis created the PLO and then Hamas, and I guarantee you they will create another one. It is how Israel gets money from America and other suckers, Israel without an enemy will collapse as Jewish infighting will tear it apart…
Every Arab country hates Israel with the possible begrudging exception of Saudi Arabia, whose recent detente with Israel is Hamas’ casus belli. Israel could do nothing and have all the enemies it would ever need.
Keep evicting Palestinians from their homes in Jerusalem, trespassing at that mosques on Temple mount, stealing olives and cutting down trees, sitting attack dogs on Palestinian sheep, bulldozing Bedouin villages, and they can’t help but hate you. Yes, those phone cameras are inconvenient…
Temple Mount is the place where the two Jewish temples stood. Muslims built a mosque on the site of the Jewish temples. Jews were forbidden to set foot on the Temple Mount by Muslims until 1967 (when Muslims controlled it) and yet that did not stop Muslims from murdering Jews over the centuries, including in the 1920s. Muslims murdered hundreds of Jews in Iraq in 1941, a place Jews lived for two and a half thousand years.
Like I said the other day, that’s it for Arabs in the Gaza strip. They will never be allowed back in to breed and create more terrorists. I’m not denigrating anyone here. The Jews are heavy handed and they are colonizers, slowly but certainly pushing out the Arab presence which has occupied that land for 2000 years before the Jews showed up and elbowed their way in.. The Jews far out power the military faction of their opponents. What’s left for them to do but either take a daily, insulting, intimidating backhand to the face from the Jews or become a terrorist? The only other option is to leave. Bibi is helping them make that decision right now. He’s made it for them: LEAVE OR DIE. There is no good or bad here. It is what it is. I hope that the Palestinians can carve out new lives for themselves in Iran or Egypt. When I was visiting the home office of my company about a decade ago, I was lost as hell in downtown Tel Aviv. And then my phone and laptop finally ran out of power (I was using them to navigate with). I had to ask an Arab lady to use her power to charge my gear and she was very happy to help. It saddens me to know that ppl like her – her counterparts in the Gaza strip – have been pushed out of their homes with just the clothes on their backs.
I hope that the Palestinians can carve out new lives for themselves in France or Germany or Great Britain, &c &c &c… I doubt they will be welcomed in Hungary.
Go watch the E30 of Tucker on X. He interviews the president of Poland. That guys say NO illegal immigrant will EVER be allowed to get into & stay in Poland. Legit. Zero tolerance policy. Sweet!
Aren’t there millions of Ukrainians in Poland right now? Is it different because it was “legal?”
Oops! I may have missed that key word, “Arab”.
Doesn’t matter. Poland has the right mindset.
Kudos!
Then you should like the interview with Viktor Orban.
https://x.com/PM_ViktorOrban/status/1712860070667514209?s=20
That was NOT the President of Poland It was a member of Parliament
The Gazaoui are not welcome in other countries in Europe also. Times have changed.
Egypt may have other reasons not to accept refugees, but the main one is that it can hardly feed her own population of 100 million and growing. There simply isn’t enough land for land for all.
Elon Musk may have a solution with starship enterprise but not just yet. If he can find another planet remotely like Earth, I would hop on, too. /s
They don’t want cross border fire from Israel in the future. It is as simple as that.
Egypt has plenty of land. My apartment overlooks miles of desert on the East side of Cairo. But that is the rub, there isn’t enough water to irrigate all that desert. Worse yet is over 90% of the fresh water comes down the Nile and there are at least 11 countries upriver that also have growing populations and that will reduce the flow that Egypt gets. Egypt had a population of 2 million in 1800 and the area that is now Israel, Jordan, Gaza and the West Bank has had a similar explosion in population.
So there isn’t enough water in Egypt, the wells in Gaza are supporting 100X the population it once had, Israel is draining aquifers and the Dead Sea is dropping.
Things will get worse because of the water.
you ever hear of a de-salinization plant???
You need to familiarize yourself with a little history before you express yourself. The jews were in Israel long before 75 years ago. There was a reporter whose name I imagine you are very familiar with, one “Karl Marx” who worked in journalism and wrote for both German and English language publications. From 1852 to 1862, he was a correspondent for the “New York Daily Tribune,” writing a total of 355 articles. He also wrote articles for the Times of London, one of which dealt with the jews in Israel who were remaking and modernizing the area by building canals, etc. along with planting trees (which will change the micro climate) etc.
Further, the land was not stolen by the jews but set aside by the British as a result of their victory in WWI, as the British government decided to endorse the establishment of a Jewish home in Palestine with the contents of this letter becoming known as the Balfour Declaration.
Haj Amin, who emerged as the leading figure in Palestinian politics during the mandate period, first began to organize small groups of suicide groups, fedayeen (“one who sacrifices himself”), to terrorize Jews in 1919 in the hope of duplicating the success of Kemal in Turkey and drive the Jews out of Palestine, just as the Turkish nationalists were driving the Greeks from Turkey. The first large Arab riots began in Jerusalem on April 4, 1920, during the intermediary days of Passover. The Jewish community had anticipated the Arab reaction to the Allies’ convention and was ready to meet it. You might recall that “Amin al-Husseini (also spelled Mohammad Amin al-Husayni), The Grand Mufti of Jersusalem”, who orchestrated many riots and attacks on the jewish community well before the state of Israel was a admirer of one Adolph Hitler and after meeting him in 1940 in Berlin help set up one of if not the most vicious divisions of the “Schutzstaffel” or Waffen-SS called Himmler’s SS Handžar Division, the “muslim” division. I might add of this division brutality, it became the only time Himmler had to issue an order to stop killing everyone because they weren’t leaving anyone for slave labor.
Agreed 100%. There’s Arab-based information readily available on the Internet that establishes the Jewish population in historic Palestine as high as 160K as far back as 800 BC. And like I said replying to TheCaptain, 80% of historic Palestine was used to create Jordan, making it the modern-day Palestine. The whole region was created out of the spoils of WWI. Go add up all the square miles of Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran & Saudi Arabia and compare that to the less than 8,500 given to the Jews. So, Jews lived in Palestine for thousands of years and all they got was a measly country a little bigger than New Jersey.
But, no, they’re the bad guys.
And what did native Americans get, who had been living here for thousands of years?
Not a single square foot of a country
They got the butt end of a gun, were killed, pushed from their lands & put on reservations. I know. It sucks, big time. I feel for them. Really, I do. But, I’m not giving my home up, are you?
It is not so much the land as it is their officials’ attitude towards the less chosen.
Crazy psychopath Ben at it again spewing rubbish Nice
I think someone named Karl Marx is still writing articles for the NYT, WPO, The Times and a few more.
History depends on how far you go back. The first inhabitants (known) were the Canaanites(Arabs) whose history traces back to about 4500 BC. The Jews were nomadic herders who appeared about 2500 BC and then left for Egypt. The Jews returned and fought the Canaanites and others (sometime after Jericho was demolished by an earthquake, not horns). The First Temple period began in about 1200 BC and the Jews were driven from Judea by the Babylonians and then returned when Cyrus the Great (Persian, you know Iran) conquered the Babylonians.
The Caucasian Jews in Palestine were not the same people as those from the ancient world.
where were Adam And Eve born? Were they chosen-ones? Who “owns” the Promised-land?
The people who have lived there for centuries. Not the migrants arriving in recent decades.
Adam and Eve are mythology from the ancient world.
Not possible to evict millions of people and there is no where for them to go even if they tried.
Nor would the rest of the world idly watch it happen. Especially the Arab world and some of them (Pakistan) have nuclear weapons.
A brief incursion to kill as many Hamas as possible then a retreat.
One can hope.
“The Jews are heavy handed and they are colonizers.”
I’ll take heavy-handed over outright, barbaric terrorists any day of the week. And, they are surrounded by nothing but enemies, right?
Remind us how Israelis are colonizers? By the 8th century BC, the Jewish population had grown to some 160,000 individuals over 500 settlements split into the two kingdoms Israel in the north and Judah in the south. That’s like 2,600 years before the rise of Zionism.
So because tens of thousands of Jews starting in the late 1800s returned to Palestine over several decades to join all of those who were already living there, that makes them colonizers? I thought colonizers was when the British took over Hong Kong in 1941. I’m pretty sure Anglo-Saxon’s never lived in Hong Kong prior to that military loss for the Chinese. Colonizing usually happens through the butt end of a gun. I don’t remember this being how Israel came into being? I thought that was a post WWII decision by the UN. And didn’t the Palestinians reject the UN Partition Plan? And didn’t Jordan get created out of 80% of what used to be historic Palestine. So wouldn’t that make Jordan modern Palestine by most accounts?
And, I’m not going to be swayed by a heartwarming old, Arab lady being some moral equivalent to what these Hamas terrorists have done. The Arabs in Gaza voted in Hamas in the early 2000’s and now they have to deal with the fact that Hamas runs the joint and isn’t going to allow free elections anytime soon.
The whole region wants Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth. That’s a lot of heavy-handed justification.
The Demographic history of Palestine by year, first century to 1947:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)
40% of the people living in the Gaze strip are children under the age 14.
The Gaza Strip is the most densely populated areas in the world. More than 2 million people live in the territory of only 139 square miles.
The warsaw ghetto was 1.1 square miles and had a population of 300.000 jews held in an open-air prison at any given time flowing through before deportation to
the camps.
The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was the 1943 act of Jewish resistance in the Warsaw Ghetto in German-occupied Poland during World War II to oppose Nazi Germany’s final effort to transport the remaining ghetto population to the gas chambers of the Majdanek and Treblinka extermination camps.
After the Grossaktion Warsaw of summer 1942, in which more than a quarter of a million Jews were deported from the ghetto to Treblinka and murdered, the remaining Jews began to build bunkers and smuggle weapons and explosives into the ghetto. The left-wing Jewish Combat Organization (ŻOB) and right-wing Jewish Military Union (ŻZW) formed and began to train. A small resistance effort to another roundup in January 1943 was partially successful and spurred Polish resistance groups to support the Jews in earnest.
The uprising started on 19 April when the ghetto refused to surrender to the police commander SS-Brigadeführer Jürgen Stroop, who ordered the destruction of the ghetto, block by block, ending on 16 May. A total of 13,000 Jews were killed, about half of them burnt alive or suffocated.
Stroop reported 110 German casualties, including 17 killed. [
The uprising was the largest single revolt by Jews during World War II. The Jews knew that victory was impossible and survival unlikely. Marek Edelman, the only surviving ŻOB commander, said their inspiration to fight was “not to allow the Germans alone to pick the time and place of our deaths”.
Fast forward…….Israeli forces have killed at least 34 Palestinian children in the West Bank as of August 22, 2023
Meanwhile on the Gaza strip …….”According to the latest reports by local health authorities and media, at least 2,215 Palestinians were reportedly killed, including over 700 children, and more than 8,714 people wounded, including more than 2,450 children,”
The similarities are striking.
“Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
― George Santayana
Jews did not massacre German civilians nor did they attack Germany.
mike,
The Partisan Jews in the Warsaw ghetto did what they could. Your comparison is irrelevant.
Oh yes they did! Read the book an An Eye for An Eye
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Eye_for_an_Eye:_The_Untold_Story_of_Jewish_Revenge_Against_Germans_in_1945
Mike it was a false flag attack I think everybody can see that by now If not they are blinded by rabid Zionism or just plain stupid
I call bull dung on the claim that Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth.
The population density of Cairo is 4 times greater than the Gaza Strip and in an area of similar size. Greater Cairo has 8 times the population of the Gaza Strip in an area about 4 times the size. Of that 25 million residents over half have never been outside Cairo. My wife first time outside Cairo was after we were married. So please don’t refer to Gaza as overcrowded or that the people are in an open air prison as their lives are not all that different than any Cairene living in the popular areas.
People in Cairo are free to come and go. Plus Cairo is the hive of Egypt and is supported by the rest of the Nation and the Nile River Delta.
The highest density area of Cairo may exceed the population density of Gaza, just as Manhattan would but the greater metropolitan areas of both Cairo, and New York are less dense.
No comparison.
That’s just not true. Arabs showed up as invaders in the 7th century AD, when Jews were already living there for two thousand years.
Mike,
Look at these population statistics over the centuries as I have previously provided.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)
Palestine has been multiethnic and multi religious for centuries with ample portions of all.
Dude as Ben Gurion said, “The Palestinians are our brothers”. They are much closer to the Jews of the old testament than the blonde, blue eyed Ashkenazi.
Hey, I never noticed this before. Ash-ke-nazi! Weird huh?
I home you think the same for Ukrainians facing Russia.
Leave and make a better life in Poland or Romania or die.
I suggest Taiwanese people should anticipate and leave for Japan or the US
You have an interesting democratic view..
Dude, the Palestinians are the direct descendants of the Jews of the Bible. Ben Gurion said as much during the early days of Israel. Many just converted to Christianity or Islam. That was their sin and why they must be treated as lepers.
Israel was long known around the UN as the “judeo nazis”.
Surviving Jews fled to Palestine after WWII because no other nation would accept them. In Palestine, they asked all Arabs to stay. But the surrounding Arab nations told all the Arabs to leave because they would soon attack Israel and kill all the Jews. About half the Arabs left Palestine and half stayed. The half that stayed had a much better life inside Israel. Surrounding Arab nations then kicked out Jews — the number was similar to the number of Arabs who fled from Palestine when it became Israel.
The Jews who survived WWII had nowhere else to go to get away from the remaining Nazis in Europe after the war. They were obviously not wanted.
Bring them all to America. What the heck…we have open borders.
Preferably to New York City, or what Jesse Jackson likes to refer to as Hymie Town.
I think we all need a time out here. Perhaps we should listen to this brave Israeli teenager how appears to have more wisdom than the entire US Congress.
https://youtu.be/c74Zdvpt5xc?si=w_pqtI74Yot7gdKh