New Green Goals Would Force You to Be Vegan and Eliminate Cows

A huge backlash against climate change goals is underway. A cow burp tax decided the election in New Zealand. People are upset with similar Green stupidity in California as well.

Burp Tax Revolt

Climate backlash is underway in the US, New Zealand, and the Netherlands. Let’s start with New Zealand.

EuroNews asks ‘Burp tax’ Causes Outrage in New Zealand – But Could this Impact the Elections?

New Zealand has a plan to tax farmers for their livestock’s burps and flatulence — and it’s causing a stink ahead of Saturday’s general elections.

The New Zealand economy is driven by agriculture with around 10 million cattle and 25 million sheep – that’s seven times more livestock than people in the country.

The Irish Examiner cited a calculation prepared by US Department of Agriculture experts, using a modelling approach of NGO Beef + Lamb New Zealand Ltd.

It shows that the ‘burp’ tax would cost a typical big dairy farm in the country more than €11,000 per year, with methane priced at €0.067 per kg. The calculation includes plenty of incentive discounts on emission reduction actions and technologies, but without those the levy could be as much as €52,000 in a year.

The Return of the Right: The 2023 New Zealand General Election

International Affairs comments The Return of the Right: The 2023 New Zealand General Election

The 2023 New Zealand General Election resulted in the governing Labour Party losing power; with its share of the party vote almost halving to 26.91 percent, down from 50.0 percent in 2020. In contrast, the centre-right National Party’s share of the party vote increased by 12.51 percent to 38.1 percent. The right-wing Act party increased its support to 8.64 percent while winning a second affluent urban electorate off National. The nationalist and socially conservative New Zealand First Party returned to parliament with 6.08 percent of the vote and the Green Party’s share of the vote increased by 3.74 percent to a record 11.6 percent.

Labour got crushed and deservedly so. You might hope that would ends burp tax silliness, but it won’t.

Idiots in California are determined to make you Vegan. And that is the UN’s goal as well.

First They Came for the Cars, Then the Cows

The climate lobby is now aiming to use taxes and regulation to restrict your meat consumption.

The Wall Street Journal reports First They Came for the Cars, Then the Cows

Climate has become religion for the global left.

This crusade to stamp out meat is gaining force. A U.N. report last year held that about 7 gigatons of CO2 reductions—about as much emissions generated from global natural-gas combustion—would have to come from people eating less meat.

The Netherlands, the world’s second-largest exporter of agricultural products after the U.S., plans to pay livestock farmers to shut down to bring the country into compliance with European Union emissions regulations.

The same anti-bovines are at work in America. California requires dairy and livestock operations statewide to reduce methane emissions to 40% below 2013 levels by 2030. Sacramento plans to achieve this target with costly regulations that drive farmers out of business. Consider the state’s mandates that more space be given to farm animals under the guise of improving animal welfare. The real purpose of these regulations is to increase the cost of livestock production and thus reduce farmers’ output.

California’s farming rules will have a national effect, because they apply to any livestock raised in the U.S. and then sold in the state. Thousands of pork producers nationwide warn they may be forced to shut down because of the high cost of compliance. Congressional members from 21 farm states this summer introduced legislation to block California from regulating farmers outside its borders—much to the consternation of green groups.

Farm Methane

California and the federal government also provide regulatory credits for dairy farms to capture methane from manure. These credits are literal cash cows, worth nearly $2,000 a head. An April 2022 presentation at the California Air Resources Board titled “What’s Worth More: A Cow’s Milk or Its Poop?” mused that these subsidies might become so rich that farmers may begin to “farm methane rather than milk.”

Hundreds of Dutch farmers to Close their Livestock Farms

EuroNews reports Hundreds of Dutch farmers to Close their Livestock Farms Under New Schemes

Over 750 Dutch farmers have signed up for a government buy-out scheme, although it will take months before it’s clear if the plan will be put into practice. Farmers in the Netherlands have been staging protests over emissions reduction targets since October 2019.

Nearly €1.5 billion was earmarked earlier this year to compensate farmers who voluntarily close farms located near nature reserves. Some 3,000 farms are expected to be eligible.

The outgoing ruling coalition wants to cut emissions, predominantly nitrogen oxide and ammonia, by 50 per cent nationwide by 2030. In May, the country received confirmation from the European Commission that the plans are permissible under state aid rules.

“The schemes will improve the environment conditions in those areas and will promote a more sustainable and environmentally friendly production in the livestock sector, without unduly distorting competition,” said Margrethe Vestager, Executive Vice-President in charge of competition policy, in a statement approving the aid.

Pitchforks Fly for an Empire of Cows

Also consider the September 2023 article In the Netherlands Pitchforks Fly for an Empire of Cows

The Dutch government’s announcement last year that it was planning a 50% cut in nitrogen emissions by 2030 sent shockwaves through the countryside. The only way to achieve a reduction that deep, on such a short time line, would be buyouts and shutdowns for farms near nature reserves.

The threat of incoming buyouts and mandated livestock cuts sent farmers in the Netherlands into a rage. When the government announced its new reduction targets, WhatsApp groups and Facebook pages associated with farmers’ organizations like Agractie and the more militant Farmers Defence Force sprang into action. Within days, processions of tractors were rolling through rural provinces, banners draped on their grilles that said “No Farmers, No Food.” On highways in the countryside, some demonstrators dumped piles of manure and lit them on fire.

The scale and fury of the protests shocked the Netherlands. Clips of angry farmers at rallies warning of food shortages circulated on the internet, eagerly absorbed by the borderless digital churn of social media. To many pundits and figures on the political right, the protests took on a larger, global significance: the farmers weren’t just pushing back against Dutch regulatory overreach, they were fighting “elites” who they claimed were using climate and environmental scaremongering to impose a radical agenda.

Right-wing firebrand Geert Wilders and his French counterpart, Marine le Pen, expressed support for the demonstrations, as did Donald Trump, who warned that U.S. farmers were next up in the crosshairs of “climate fanatics.” Russell Brand released a viral video laden with bizarre conjectures, claiming the plan was to “bankrupt farmers so their land can be grabbed.” In the Netherlands, more extreme wings of the farmers’ movement hinted at shadowy conspiracies at play, alleging that the World Economic Forum was using nitrogen as a Trojan horse to bring about its “Great Reset.”

But instead of drawing up long-term plans to reform agricultural production before the situation worsened, it designed an ineffective emissions-trading scheme that favored big business.

In the BBB’s first-ever election, one characterized by unusually high turnout and widely seen as a referendum on Rutte’s rule, it won a bigger share of the vote than any other party in the Netherlands. Gaining 16 out of 75 seats, overnight the BBB went from an insurgent outsider’s movement to the largest single party in the Dutch Senate.

Almost immediately, the BBB’s shocking win upended the Dutch cabinet’s plans for addressing the nitrogen crisis. Badly beaten at the polls and facing a no-confidence vote in parliament, Rutte agreed to hit pause on the plans and signaled that his government was open to pushing back the emissions reduction deadline from 2030 to 2035.

Bruised but not broken, Rutte vowed to continue pushing for a compromise that would keep the Netherlands in line with EU rules and protect the environment. But what Rutte’s cabinet didn’t know was that its electoral disaster had chipped away at the foundation of an already shaky ruling coalition. Before long, the whole house was going to collapse.

2023 Dutch General Election

Geert Wilders is fed up with immigration and wants a referendum to ban Mosques and exit the EU. BBB is as discussed above.

What is NSC?

By flirting with the possibility of EU-level opt-outs, the party takes a similar stance to fellow newcomer and agrarian protest party Farmer-Citizen Movement (BBB), which stated its intention to opt out of the EU’s migration and nature policies in its own election program last month.

Finance and economy

In its programme, the NSC also states its opposition to the EU’s potential transformation into a so-called “transfer union” and categorically rejects joint EU borrowing and Eurobonds. It also calls on the ECB to halt its asset purchase programme and “return to its original mandate”.

Wilders came reasonably close to being able to formulate a government winning 63 of 76 seats assuming NSC and BBB would go along.

Regardless, that is 63 votes against agricultural policy likely shelving Green silliness for another 5 years.

With that let’s return to the US and a discussion of Trump vs Biden.

Biden Blames the Media

On November 10, I wrote Why Are Americans in Such a Rotten Mood? Biden Blames the Media

Hoot of the Day

Despite the Media whitewashing every bit of bad news about the president, and numerous reports in unexpected places about how great the economy is, President Biden blames the media for the US’s sour mood.

Maybe Bidenomics is working for everyone who owns a house but not those struggling with rent and struggling to put food on the table.

And what about those who see $7,500 subsidies going to people can afford a new EV when they struggle buying gasoline.

The Devil We Had Is Better Than the Devil We Got

Also consider my November 23 post The Devil We Had Is Better Than the Devil We Got

Our lesson of the day comes from the Netherlands where far-Right Populist Geert Wilders unexpectedly wins the Dutch election. US voters, please pay attention.

In the US, people are genuinely sick of Biden’s energy policies. He is throwing hundreds of billions of dollars are ridiculous wind and solar projects, now failing due to inflation that Biden has caused.

People struggle with rent and the cost of food, and Biden is wasting hundreds of billions of dollars on untenable Green projects. And he wants wants hundreds of billions more for wars in Israel and Ukraine that are essentially none of our business.

The Devil You Know vs the Devil You Know

In the US, voters are increasingly likely to face a repeat election the public in general does not seem to want: Trump vs Biden.

As a Libertarian, I do not like either of them.

Trump is not remotely close to being a Libertarian and neither is remotely close to being a moderate.

However, voters have correctly decided that between Trump and Biden, Trump looks better in comparison. The devil we had is better than the devil we got.

If Trump would just stop the batshit crazy talk, he might be able to win in a landslide.

He wants to create an Anti-Woke University and Freedom Cities supported by tax hikes.

For discussion, please see Is Trump Going Too Far With His Second-Term Plans? Are They Even Republican?

Never in my wildest imagination would I have thought Republicans would propose such a thing as “free federal online schools paid for by tax hikes.”

In the Netherlands, Wilders did not change, but he toned down his rhetoric. There’s a lesson here for Trump, especially as it relates to swing voters, but don’t expect him to hear it.

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Mr Famine
Mr Famine
5 months ago

I’ve been a cimate skeptic since the freezing 70s when Leonard Nimoy narrated a film about the coming cold. Later, I read about Solar minimums and the history of global famines every 400 years. We just started our mini ICE AGE. And cosmic rays are increasing while our earth’s magnetic field is weakening. More clouds and violent weather will destroy our farms by 2027. 90% depopulation for the world! What me worry? I’m a prepper, setting aside food for this collapse. That’s the great reset. A few will survive the food riots. Like the military stockpiling MREs in the underground
Bunkers. The cows will be gone. And I want my hamburgers and tacos when the remaining few eat each other alive in the mad max apocalypse. Global warming is a hoax. I have an IQ over 200. The science is this: global cooling is evident in many places. I predicted the Ukraine war in 2008. Food will be the ultimate weapon. The next war will be Venezuela. When American farms go offline, we will need to increase Venezuela’s farm output 10X. Wars will break out across the planet, fights over food and energy.

Gumtoo
Gumtoo
5 months ago

It’s a depopulation agenda as they know it’s very difficult to remain healthy on a vegan diet.
Always keep foremost in your mind. YOU are the carbon THEY want to reduce.
https://stopworldcontrol.com

Counter
Counter
5 months ago

Twelve billionaires’ climate emissions outpollute 2.1m homes, analysis finds

Twelve of the world’s wealthiest billionaires produce more greenhouse gas emissions from their yachts, private jets, mansions and financial investments than the annual energy emissions of 2m homes, research shared exclusively with the Guardian reveals.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
5 months ago

Completely getting rid of FFs, would leave room in sustainability for more meat for everyone. Just a thought.

link to insideclimatenews.org

More Than 100 Countries at COP28 Call For Fossil Fuel PhaseoutClimate activists and countries hard hit by climate disasters seek to break the fossil fuel industry’s stranglehold on global climate talks.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
5 months ago

CEOs is top industries are accepting the truth of AGW. We are entering a challenging time requiring a lot of work. When the leaders come together, things change.

link to maersk.com

Shipping CEOs join forces to accelerate the decarbonization of the global maritime transport

  • Unprecedented collaboration between leaders of global shipping lines to decarbonize the industry.
  • A united view at COP28 on the concrete regulatory measures needed to create the investment conditions critical to accelerating the industry’s green transition.
RonJ
RonJ
5 months ago

Allegedly, the top 1% produce as much carbon as the bottom 66% of humanity, per a study based on research by the Stockholm Environment Institute.

At COP 28, King Charles said, “The Earth does not belong to us, we belong to the Earth.” I believe the royal family owns a substantial amount of property. I can’t really imagine King Charles returning it to the Earth.

Webej
Webej
5 months ago

Three Dutch notes:

The reactive nitrogen (ammonia) issue is NOT a climate issueWilders’ only right-wing position is against immigration64 of 150 seats leached from the Mainstream to 3 heretofore fringe parties.

Last edited 5 months ago by Webej
Thetenyear
Thetenyear
5 months ago

Let’s levy a flatulence tax on our law makers in DC. We should tax the crap out of all the hot air coming out their rear ends!

Ockham
Ockham
5 months ago

Dogs and cats don’t fart? They are cute but uselss. We must kill pets first, don’t you think?

CzarChasm Reigns
CzarChasm Reigns
5 months ago

If only more than a handful of Republicans could reject the “batshit crazy talk” from their “stable genius” and quit marching in lock step with his demonization of others.

Then perhaps, you might find some moderation of the extremes, compromise, and ultimately, a functioning government.

Mish says “neither is remotely close to being a moderate” but only one is ditching democracy and clearly embracing fascism instead.

Last edited 5 months ago by CzarChasm Reigns
alex spencer
alex spencer
5 months ago

agreed – if democracy is lost it will be very difficult to fix what is wrong after a dictator takes over.

jake the snake
jake the snake
5 months ago

From the Golden age of Fraud to The Golden age of Stupidity, What’s next?

Rinky Stingpiece
Rinky Stingpiece
5 months ago

Although I resist veganism, and find (especially male) vegans insufferable and bad-tempered, i can’t deny it does wonders for the waistline – all you need is to be half vegan and throw a steak on top, to add muscle and vitamins, and you’ll look and feel great. Just cut the carbs and sugary shit.

Counter
Counter
5 months ago

I’m on a carnivore diet. Lost a lot of weight, my blood pressure is perfect.

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

Another translation

forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by them that believe and know the truth.

Last edited 5 months ago by Counter
Alex
Alex
5 months ago

Yet another brilliant scientist call out the climate hoaxers.

Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Dr. Lindzen has criticized the scientific consensus about climate change and what he has called “climate alarmism.” Here are some quotations from Lindzen (italics added):
1. “What historians will definitely wonder about in future centuries is how deeply flawed logic, obscured by shrewd and unrelenting propaganda, actually enabled a coalition of powerful special interests to convince nearly everyone in the world that CO2 from human industry was a dangerous, planet-destroying toxin. It will be remembered as the greatest mass delusion in the history of the world – that CO2, the life of plants, was considered for a time to be a deadly poison.”
2. “Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early 21st century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally averaged temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a roll-back of the industrial age.”
3. “Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their grant funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves libeled as industry stooges, scientific hacks or worse. Consequently, lies about climate change gain credence even when they fly in the face of the science that supposedly is their basis.”

Will the goat farmer
Will the goat farmer
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex

Good points.
As a farmer. I have been recording the air temperature data for the last sixty days.
Points to note. Consistently, this time of the year, the alarmists are unable to predict the weather (in favor of their climate warming scenario). Thanks to the fact. Zero degrees celsius is when water freezes. Point? Consistently for the last sixty days. The weather networks have reported temperatures between 1.5 and 2 degrees warmer than the actual temperature. Forecast and actual. Who notices? Well as a farmer I notice. Because it’s important for me to notice. Others? No one noticed. Yet the data accumulated? Never questioned. And never changed. And remains as statistics for the alarmists….. That the regional temperatures are warmer. Is my thermometer wrong? No. Water freezes at zero. Forecasts for example last week. Was 2 degrees. Five days in a row. Actual temperature? Zero and or -1.

Freezing temps -4 was forecasted two weeks ago. -6 and and -8 was r corded. Again two degrees off consistently. Historical r cords? Reco ded the warmer temps. No disputes.

No one notices. Do the people working and get paid and funded care that the temps actually cooler ? We shall see.
Five or ten years from now…

Though I’d share.

PapaDave
PapaDave
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex

Lol! If you keep looking I imagine you will find a couple more of these shills. Pretty soon, you will be up to 4 or 5 of these “brilliant” scientists who can refute the work of tens of thousands of other scientists. Just like the tobacco industry did in order to claim that smoking was food for you. For the right price, you can probably find a few brilliant scientists to claim that the world is flat as well.

Alex
Alex
5 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Run with the herd Papdave! There is safety in numbers but little wisdom.

Will the goat farmer
Will the goat farmer
5 months ago

The data is flawed.
Going green movement uses flawed data.
How to counter the flawed data?
For example: Cows may burp. Dart and consume huge amounts of carbon (aka vegetation) what isn’t discussed? That the biomass if all the cows and all the domestic animals does not count for 10% of the biomass of the biggest emitter of Green house gases…. And that is bacteria and insects.
In short 90% of the biomass contributes 98% of the total Green house gases (naturally) anyone scientist who disputes the data? And believes that the 2% emmissions made from domestic animals….. Is stretching the data just a little too much. … Nice try, Bill Nye the non science guy,

Last edited 5 months ago by Will the goat farmer
Alex
Alex
5 months ago

You’d be lucky to eat vegan! If the climate change hysterics have their way, most of the planet would starve to death. They are driven by emotion and not rational facts. In our current stage of development, fossil fuels are essential. Despite $ Trillions invested in wind and solar, they make up less than 4% percentage of the energy pie in the US. Not a very good return on investment. Nuclear fission is probably the best source for energy transition. Population control is obviously a key component of a clean sustainable future. Getting rid of the war mongering, dumbass leadership in the West I also critical.

Gumtoo
Gumtoo
5 months ago

All part of the plan. Always try to remember, YOU are the carbon THEY want to reduce.
https://stopworldcontrol.com

alex spemcer
alex spemcer
5 months ago

CO2, Methane, and nitrogen compounds are waste in the system of beef production. They are created from inputs of water and feed turning not being turned into beef. So a farmer is always looking for ways to improve the conversion of feed to beef for economic reasons. But because of the waste there will be a economic limit to the amount of food produced in this way.

Removing the subsidies resulting from farm use of community air and water will allow the price of the beef to reflect the true costs. The eaters can then make a better decision about what to eat. An expensive nice juicy hamburger or a cheaper falafel for lunch, your choice.

Will the goat farmer
Will the goat farmer
5 months ago
Reply to  alex spemcer

Waste

There is no such thing as waste, in farming.

In a city, or to a non farmer. Not knowing what to do with what is left over. Whether it be relocating the by products or to pay someone to remove or to burry or to re use or compost? To someone in the city? The byproducts from animal production appears to be waste….. In short, nitrogen, methane and yes CO2 are all very valuable to every farmer. Bringing these compounds to where they are needed most? Is the difficult part. Because no one not even farmers want to bare the costs of moving these costs to where it is needed most.

Just a thought for some of you who believe animal by products are waste.

alex spencer
alex spencer
5 months ago

OK- how about hamburger surcharge/tax to be used to move “waste”, free of charge, to farmers for where it can be useful.?

Olsenoid
Olsenoid
5 months ago

Now do the carbon footprint of the US Dept of “Defense.”

Zardoz
Zardoz
5 months ago
Reply to  Olsenoid

Been listening to them burn fuel at Miramar AFB for the past week… net result being billions in real estate situated in an environment that is louder than an airport.

24/7 stupid waste… should be named The Department of Waste.

Moi
Moi
5 months ago

Everyone in New York lived through the unbelievably thick smoke that blanketed NYC this past summer from the fires here in Canada. I can remember quite a few occasions in Alberta where entire parts of the Province would be covered in smoke from BC forest fires a Province away. I remember seeing Sattelite photos of the entire State of California being covered in smoke due to their fires a few years ago, so thick it was easily seen from Outer Space. We see the massive amounts of naturally occurring wildfire smoke every year from around the World and yet the UN and the other Globalists believe a comparatively absolutely miniscule amount of cow farts and burps is causing Climate catastrophe?

NO, it’s 100% about Control, they know Climate Change is one of if not their greatest tools in their arsenal to usher more and more measures of Control.

Zardoz
Zardoz
5 months ago
Reply to  Moi

Control = stop burning down every forest on the planet? A little CO gives kids strong bones and teeth?

Heck, why even open the garage when you warm up the car and deny yourself those sweet products of combustion?

Sometimes you gotta put up a fence to keep the feebs away from the cliff edge. This is control.

Maximus Minimus
Maximus Minimus
5 months ago
Reply to  Zardoz

Are you saying some animals have higher IQ than others?

Zardoz
Zardoz
5 months ago

I’ve met Australian Shepherds smarter than the trump simps… but let me put on the ivory tower liberal costume to gratify them, and just say they’re “differently-abled”, and that I honor intellectual diversity.

Maximus Minimus
Maximus Minimus
5 months ago
Reply to  Zardoz

The rabbits are so dumb, they were put on Earth just as ready meat for the predators.

Toutatis
Toutatis
5 months ago

Probably only the rich will continue to eat quality meat in large quantities. This will solve the problems caused by excess livestock. The poor will eat “Solyent Green”

James
James
5 months ago

There is a great big pendulum swinging, can you feel it?

Meat eaters who fail to evolve are knuckle dragging mouth breathers who will eventually succumb to the adapted ever and always ready plant consumers…..

I could be wrong, probably not.

Alex
Alex
5 months ago
Reply to  James

Probably are!

link to nasw.org

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
5 months ago

Put things in terms of money and business people get it. This may be one of the fastest ways to change out of carbon based energy pollution. Money can go into RE rather than foolishly putting money into more life killing pollution.

link to cnbc.com
KEY POINTS

  • The head of the International Monetary Fund on Sunday underlined the case for carbon pricing at the COP28 climate summit.
  • A long-time proponent of carbon pricing, IMF Managing Director Kristalina Georgieva told CNBC that this approach creates an incentive for polluters to rapidly decarbonize.
  • Her comments come as policymakers and business leaders convene in Dubai for the U.N.’s two-week long climate summit, which is scheduled to end on Dec. 12.
Alex
Alex
5 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Green

Natural gas is very clean. Only produces produces CO2 and H2O, both essential for green planet.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex

There are natural co2 cycles of the past. All of them are. Today its humans that put co2 in the atmosphere. CO2 is a clearly understood GHG which is increasing the temperature of the earth as we increase the co2 in the atmosphere.

PapaDave
PapaDave
5 months ago

I was wondering when this would happen in the battle to reduce emissions. As I have stated many times, the continued focus on EVs seemed odd because road transportation is responsible for just 14% of man’s emissions. Meat and dairy production are responsible for 18% of emissions.

In addition, meat and dairy account for 83 percent of all agricultural land use and take up 30% of the planet’s land surface.

An interesting fact is that if everyone in the world ate the same amount of meat and dairy as Americans, we would need more than double the total land surface of the earth to accommodate that. Though that is highly unlikely as the vast majority of the world’s population cannot afford that type of diet.

Of course, if you want to reduce meat and dairy consumption, just tax it till consumption goes down. Seems a lot simpler. But I guess that’s not a vote getter for politicians.

Of course, I am not advocating for these policies, I am just keeping myself aware of them. And then trying to figure out how to profit from them.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
5 months ago

Gee could it be true that just maybe an oil person could go about making energy cleaner. Oil people are so biased by their wealth they can’t see straight. The rich benefit while the majority of people will pay the price for co2 put into the atmosphere. The idea that FFs can do no wrong is entirely irresponsible for life on earth for the next 1000 years.

link to theguardian.com

Cop28 president says there is ‘no science’ behind demands for phase-out of fossil fuels

Exclusive: UAE’s Sultan Al Jaber says phase-out of coal, oil and gas would take world ‘back into caves’

The president of Cop28, Sultan Al Jaber, has claimed there is “no science” indicating that a phase-out of fossil fuels is needed to restrict global heating to 1.5C, the Guardian and the Centre for Climate Reporting can reveal.
Al Jaber also said a phase-out of fossil fuels would not allow sustainable development “unless you want to take the world back into caves”.

The comments were “incredibly concerning” and “verging on climate denial”, scientists said, and they were at odds with the position of the UN secretary general, António Guterres.

Alex
Alex
5 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Green

Actually, the Sultan is correct. You are the rube that believes in propaganda. The warming trend is part of a natural cycle. The climate debate was always: what amount, if any, can be attributable to man made causes. This isn’t knowable and the science actually suggests that doubling CO2 will have little effect since it’s greenhouse effect saturates.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex

I am a science person. The warming of the last 150 years of 1.3*C is all humans. The main culprit is co2. People before profits applies big time here. You are welcome to make a science argument here. No doubter or non believer is able to come up with evidence that we are warming for a different reason.

PapaDave
PapaDave
5 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Green

You are correct Jeff. However, I still believe you are far too optimistic that we can do much about this problem.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
5 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Everything starts with a thought. And then it grows.

PapaDave
PapaDave
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex

Lol! The warming trend is part of a natural cycle!

Which natural cycle is that? Please elaborate.

Because every long term natural cycle I know of is actually in a cooling trend.

Maybe you mean the El Nino that began a few months ago. Is that what caused the last hundred years of warming?

The only scientific reason for the last 100 years of warming is mankinds greenhouse gas emissions.

But I want to give you the opportunity to prove me and the entire scientific community wrong with your natural cycle.

What natural cycle are you referring to?

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex

I hear your opinion with no evidence.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
5 months ago

I have read world population growth to hit 10 to 11 billion people on earth. Even the lifestyle of the ordinary middle class person of the United States is not sustainable on earth for all 11 billion. But we can live easier by changing our diets to less meat. It doesn’t mean starve, but move in sensible ways to have a smaller footprint in our atmosphere. Thinking we can add all the carbon to the atmosphere we want is way more foolish than taxing cow burbs.

ajhnson
ajhnson
5 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Green

Oh fuck off.

Alex
Alex
5 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Green

How about controlling the population! That seems much more doable and will lead to a better quality of life.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex

China did that for awhile. Can everyone have a really nice meat diet without making a mess of the earth? That is a challenge.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex

By persuasion or force? Supposedly as women in the world become more educated, they will have smaller families.

William Benedict
William Benedict
5 months ago

Mish, these people are insane. For 1.6 billion Indians, the cow is one of our seven mothers, and cow’s milk and the ghee made from butter is the healthiest of all foods.

Siliconguy
Siliconguy
5 months ago

Veganism is a variant of Jainism.
Jainism is a recognized religion.
The First Amendment says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

A State religion of Veganism isn’t going anywhere.

William Benedict
William Benedict
5 months ago
Reply to  Siliconguy

All Krishna devotees worship the cow as one of our mothers and the bull as father because he pulls the plough to grow the grains. Try getting rid of cows in India, and you will likely get yourself hung.

Alex
Alex
5 months ago
Reply to  Siliconguy

Climate hystericalism is also a religion. As is the woke cult.

Will the goat farmer
Will the goat farmer
5 months ago
Reply to  Siliconguy

Veganism. Also known as a movement to encourage the consumption of more processed foods. All plant based foods…. Like anything processed can cause negative impacts to the environment

Crispin
Crispin
5 months ago

Something odd about this complaint that there are 80 m cattle fattening themselves on the Great Plains and how damaging they supposedly are because of burps and farts. Think back 150 years when Mother Nature’s balance was in full bloom. What was living on the Great Plains in those days? More than 100 m giant bison twice the size of today’s cows, that’s what. Now they are all gone and a lesser number of smaller cattle now reside there. They are of course emitting far less than when Mother Nature managed things, uninhibited.

So why are today’s cattle and their emissions capable of altering the earth’s climate but the bison’s were not? Enquiring minds want to know.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
5 months ago
Reply to  Crispin

We also have deforested the earth by a great deal. Trees are a part of our carbon sucking mechanism on earth.

dr.odyssey
dr.odyssey
5 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Green

Good grief. Deforestation? Why do you think it was and is called the Great Plains.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
5 months ago
Reply to  dr.odyssey

link to ourworldindata.org

Its a big issue. The big picture is different than just the great plains.

Rjohnson
Rjohnson
5 months ago

How many of you knew Gavin Newsom has been in China signing climate treaties related to closing down our coal plants, among other things while China has plans on building at least 100 more???

Who the hell is a stupid ass governor and jerkoffs like Kerry to make these choices!

These people can’t die soon enough.

Alex
Alex
5 months ago
Reply to  Rjohnson

If only there was a legal means to help them along the way.

Avery2
Avery2
5 months ago

Mish, you had me at ‘New Zealand’. Is Jacinda still hiding out at Harvard?

shamrockva
shamrockva
5 months ago

Then there’s the flip side, the failure to see a connection between greenhouse gases and property insurance rates.

For the 24-unit building, property insurance jumped from $40,534 for 2022 to nearly $269,000 – a 563% increase.

Source:link to finance.yahoo.com

William King
William King
5 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

77% of agricultural land is used for more than 70 billion “feed” animals. Eating meat is one of the main drivers of cancer. The world population is becoming very obese. Maybe it is time to eat more veggies and fruit.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
5 months ago
Reply to  William King

Lay off the sugar and processed foods.

You don’t get fat from eating protein.

Woodsie Guy
Woodsie Guy
5 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

This is the way….

William King
William King
5 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

If you think before eating you won’t eat sugar or processed foods. If you don’t want to eat antibiotics, growth hormones, or steroids, don’t eat dead animals.

Rjohnson
Rjohnson
5 months ago
Reply to  William King

FU

allan
allan
5 months ago
Reply to  William King

A lot of the land used to graze cattle cannot be used to grow crops, a fact concealed by the vegan lobby, as is the fact that obesity in US has skyrocketed despite the general populace following government directives to eat less meat, saturated fats and eat more carbs. Unfortunately, it appears processed foods high in sugar and additives is what leads to poor health, including cancers. If you want to reduce methane, you could start with reducing food wastage which generates a lot of it

Crispin
Crispin
5 months ago
Reply to  allan

Where the cattle are now, once grazed (and pooped) far more bison. Much of the land is useless for anything else. It is too dry. It is only because of fossil fuels that it grows much at all – that and genius farmers who know what they are doing.

shamrockva
shamrockva
5 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

What do you want to blame it on, Biden? The insurance companies have taken a beating on weather related losses in the past few years. That would be fine if they expected it was an aberration, but obviously they don’t, and in fact the expectation is worse is on the way. Why? Climate change. They are the ones putting money on the line, not you.

Last edited 5 months ago by shamrockva
Jeff Green
Jeff Green
5 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Hurricanes in Florida are getting more intense. The insurance industry wants nothing to do with it anymore.

pprboy
pprboy
5 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Green

they are not more intense or more frequent. There are just more idiots there putting up homes where there should not be any

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
5 months ago
Reply to  pprboy

Babcock Ranch did great throught the last hurricane. Its a solar community with buried power lines and homes built for hurricanes.

Just the same, I was reading article after article of insurance companies leaving Florida for reasons of huge damage during hurricanes.

Call_Me_Al
Call_Me_Al
5 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Green

Poorly-built properties and plenty of them (especially compared to 40 years ago)! That is the main cause of increased insurance costs. Matchstick frames don’t go well with hurricane-force winds.

Similarly, in the Central U.S. the proliferation of vinyl siding over the old wood and stucco exteriors have led to an explosion in insurance costs due to hail damage. There aren’t more/stronger hail storms, just more buildings with thin plastic shells.

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