The Devil We Had Is Better Than the Devil We Got

Our lesson of the day comes from the Netherlands where far-Right Populist Geert Wilders unexpectedly wins the Dutch election. US voters, please pay attention.

The free graphic originally said “Humanity Against Trump” I added “And Biden”

Wilders’ Freedom Party, PVV Positions

  • “De-Islamization” of the Netherlands
  • Ban the Quran, shut mosques
  • Close the borders to migrants from Islamic countries.
  • “Nexit” Referendum to Leave the EU

Unexpected Win

In a totally unexpected election (but shouldn’t have been), Far-Right Populist Geert Wilders Scores Major Victory in Dutch Election

Wilders’ Freedom Party, or PVV, which has promised to halt all immigration to the Netherlands, was set to win 37 out of 150 seats in the country’s parliament, based on projections by Dutch news agency ANP based on results from almost all voting districts. The PVV’s closest rival, former European Commissioner Frans Timmermans’ Labor/Green Left coalition, was projected to secure 25 seats.

The incumbent ruling party, the VVD, was on course to secure 24 seats, down from the 34 gained in 2021, according to ANP.

The result puts Wilders in line to lead talks in forming a governing coalition, and possibly become the next prime minister, though negotiations are likely to take some weeks.

Border Crisis EU Style

Germany is on course to receive more than 300,000 asylum applications this year, the highest level registered since Europe’s 2015-16 refugee crisis. The influx has helped propel the far-right Alternative for Germany to become the country’s second-most popular party. Italy’s Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni came to power a year ago partly on a pledge to curb immigration.

Germany recently announced it would look into sending some asylum seekers to third countries, including in Africa, and Italy struck a deal to have asylum seekers wait in Albania for their cases to be decided. The U.K. has been trying to overcome court restrictions on an effort to send asylum seekers to Rwanda—a plan the Danish government has also said it is interested in.

Last year, net migration into the Netherlands more than doubled to more than 220,000, partly because of refugees fleeing Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

37 out of 150 seats does not sound link much, but PVV is the top vote getter. Generally, the winning party will form a coalition, but the other parties have generally pledged not to be in government with him.

This gets harder and harder to do, especially when every party is extreme right or extreme left.

Euroskeptics Applaud Shock Wilders Win in Dutch Elections

Please consider Euroskeptics Applaud Shock Wilders Win in Dutch Elections

Marine Le Pen, leader of France’s far-right National Rally, said she was “delighted” by Wilders’ triumph. “Geert Wilders and his movement are allies of the National Rally,” Le Pen told French public radio broadcaster France Inter Thursday morning.

“They demonstrate that more and more countries within the European Union are contesting the way it works,” Le Pen said.

Asked whether a potential “Nexit” referendum would be good news, Le Pen answered: “The good news is when people can express themselves.”

“It’s up to the Dutch people to choose their destiny, just as the British people have done,” the National Rally leader added.

Wilders, who has been dubbed the “Dutch Donald Trump” for his anti-immigration agenda and shock of blond hair, collected praise from other fellow Euroskeptic leaders across the Continent.

“A new Europe is possible,” Matteo Salvini, Italy’s deputy prime minister and leader of the anti-immigration League party, wrote on X on Wednesday evening, calling Wilders a “friend” and an “ally of the League.”

“Congratulations on this great success,” Alice Weidel, leader of the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party said on Thursday morning. “All of Europe wants a political turnaround!” she added.

Wilders also received congratulations from Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, with whom he shares an opposition to the EU’s support for Ukraine. “The winds of change are here!” Orbán wrote on X, in reference to a song from the West German rock band Scorpions, which was released shortly after the fall of the Berlin Wall.

“Bravo, Geert!!!!!,” Harald Vilimsky, a European lawmaker with the Austrian far-right Freedom Party (FPÖ), wrote in a post showing a picture of leaders from the far-right Identity and Democracy (ID) group in the European Parliament. “Proud of my political friends and our alliance,” Vilimsky said.

Rise of AfD in Germany

Image from Politico.

In December 2021, following the September German general elections, a traffic light coalition dubbed due the red-green-yellow colors of the party flags (SPD, FDP, and Greens). This was the first time a three-party coalition had formed at the federal level.

If we add that up today it’s SPD 16% + Greens 14% + FDP on the bubble at 5%. In general, if a party does not get at least 5% (there are other qualifiers), it gets no seats.

In Germany, all the parties have vowed not to include AfD due to its allegedly extreme immigration policy among other things, but that is increasingly difficult.

Note that support for another Grand Coalition (CDU/CSU + SPD) is running at 29% + 16% for a grand total of 45%.

Voters were sick of the Grand Coalition so they replaced it with the Traffic Light Coalition. What’s next? Booting the traffic light coalition for a return to the failed Grand Coalition?

Accounting Error that Could Kill Germany’s Coalition

Politico discusses the Accounting Error that Could Kill Germany’s Coalition.

When Germany’s Social Democrats formed a three-way coalition with the Greens and the conservative Free Democrats in 2021, they sold the unconventional alliance as a progressive ménage à trois that would transform German politics.

Two years later, it looks more like a clusterfuck.

The government’s disarray was on full display after Germany’s highest court ruled Wednesday that the centerpiece of the alliance’s environmental strategy — a plan to repurpose €60 billion left over from an emergency COVID-19 fund to finance the coalition’s climate agenda — was unconstitutional.

The decision blew a massive hole through the middle of the coalition’s signature legislative agenda, in particular a plan to remake the German economy root and branch by weaning it off of fossil fuels. If the parties fail to find a new way to finance those plans, the coalition itself could quickly collapse, some analysts warn.

“If you want to put a fine point on it, you could say that this coalition is back to square one,” said Albrecht von Lucke, a prominent German political scientist and commentator. “I get the impression that none of the three parties is capable of finding a solution.”

Collapse of the Greens Everywhere

The Greens wanted to do something unconstitutional. Gee, who couldda thunk?

The Greens were the big winners in the last election. They are on a path to be the big losers in the next election.

In the US, people are genuinely sick of Biden’s energy policies. He is throwing hundreds of billions of dollars are ridiculous wind and solar projects, now failing due to inflation that Biden has caused.

People struggle with rent and the cost of food, and Biden is wasting hundreds of billions of dollars on untenable Green projects. And he wants wants hundreds of billions more for wars in Israel and Ukraine that are essentially none of our business.

CPI Unchanged Thanks to Decline in Energy, but Rent Jumps 0.5 Percent

People keep telling me rents are falling, I keep saying they aren’t.

All these “rents are falling” projections have been based on the price of new leases, but existing leases, vastly more important, keep rising.

For the 27th straight month, the cost of rent rose at least 0.4 percent.

For discussion, please see CPI Unchanged Thanks to Decline in Energy, but Rent Jumps 0.5 Percent

It is not the wealthy who make up the majority of renters. So rent alone is fueling the pain. Factor in food.

A rising stock market and home prices does not help those with no assets. And the poor have no assets.

Biden Blames the Media

On November 10, I wrote Why Are Americans in Such a Rotten Mood? Biden Blames the Media

Hoot of the Day

Despite the Media whitewashing every bit of bad news about the president, and numerous reports in unexpected places about how great the economy is, President Biden blames the media for the US’s sour mood.

Maybe Bidenomics is working for everyone who owns a house but not those struggling with rent and struggling to put food on the table.

And what about those who see $7,500 subsidies going to people can afford a new EV when they struggle buying gasoline.

If you are seeking a Thanksgiving hoot regarding the media, in the above link I list a dozen articles from Economist, CEPR, the Inquirer, the Wall Street Journal, Yahoo Finance, Bloomberg, and the Guardian, all praising the strong economy

The Devil You Know vs the Devil You Know

In the US, voters are increasingly likely to face a repeat election the public in general does not seem to want: Trump vs Biden.

As a Libertarian, I do not like either of them.

I am pleased to note that a Libertarian finally won somewhere. For discussion, please see Congratulations Argentina for Electing the World’s First Libertarian President

Returning to the choice at hand, Biden won the last election promising to be a healer and a moderate. Instead, he has turned into a radical Progressive/Green wet dream candidate.

Voters have a choice between the devil they know and the devil they know. Polls show voters don’t like the choice, but if forced to make a choice between the two, Trump would win. That is what happens when the party promises a moderate and delivers a radical Progressive nutcase.

Trump is not remotely close to being a Libertarian and neither is remotely close to being a moderate.

However, voters have correctly decided that between Trump and Biden, Trump looks better in comparison. The devil we had is better than the devil we got.

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L. Brown
L. Brown
4 months ago

My post was to Mish, not Stu!

Vogelfrei
Vogelfrei
5 months ago

Some remarks from germany:

  • The AfD-party is not “far-right”. Their positions are conservative/liberal, very near to the CDU (christian-conservative party), until this party was turned by Merkel into a radical-left organisation).
  • The german free-demokrats are not (any longer) conservative.
  • The AfD-positions to immigaration are not radical. Because they are conservatives they want to preserve the welfare state und they want to prevent a civil war.
  • The greens, with there crazy ideas, are not loosing, they are stable at 15 %. The big loosers are the social-democrats of chancelor Scholz, they got down to 14 %. The AfD is at 22 % and in eastern germany they are the strongest party. The main reasons for this are immigration and a enormous rises of energy-costs (“Heizungshammer” which means heating-hammer).
  • Geert Wilders ist now called Geert Milders, because he is seeking coalition-partners and so he revised some of his positions.
Frilton Meidman
Frilton Meidman
5 months ago

I suspect Palpatine is behind this, placing his Darth’s in positions to undermine the Republic.

Divide and conquer.

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Truth
Truth
5 months ago

Wilders policies are dead-center, rational, totally informed by historical precedence and fact. Trust the science of math and statistics.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
5 months ago

Mish, you’re usually right on the mark.
But I take offense with you calling our President: “…a radical Progressive nutcase.”
Our President is an evil, mendacious, conniving, crook.
I don’t particularly like Trump, but we would have known to watch him closely from the get go of a second term.

Stu
Stu
5 months ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker

I have to agree Lisa!

– Returning to the choice at hand, Biden won the last election promising to be a healer and a moderate. Instead, he has turned into a radical Progressive/Green wet dream candidate.
> Biden was never, and has never been, a healer or a moderate. Biden is your typical Democrat/RINO Politician. Nothing more or less, and it’s that simple. The fact that he doesn’t really run the WH, doesn’t change that fact. If he wasn’t incompetent and impaired, he would be running the WH, but in the exact same manner. He didn’t turn into anything, but rather morphed into what he truly is…
– Polls show voters don’t like the choice, but if forced to make a choice between the two, Trump would win.
> There is a God!!!
– However, voters have correctly decided that between Trump and Biden, Trump looks better in comparison.
> In every category you can conceive, Trump is better, was always better, and so is every other choice you could possibly make over Old Joe! The Republicans should be able to put up an Otter as our pick, and the Otter Should and Would Win over Biden Inc. You are referring to a lump of clay at best, and as such anything or anyone would be better at this point.

L. Brown
L. Brown
4 months ago
Reply to  Stu

You have some power via your online voice, and I assume elsewhere. In this article you are telling us that autocracy will be better than our current democratic-republic. That autocracy is better than our current, though poorly regulated capitalism. That makes you the exact opposite of a libertarian. I rather enjoy my freedoms.

Laura
Laura
5 months ago

The economy is going to be a lot worse by the election in 2024. Also, a lot of people are upset the migrants/illegals getting a lot of free stuff. People will be voting with their pocket books.

Doug78
Doug78
5 months ago

The Devil take the hindmost.

Plunk
Plunk
5 months ago

RFK Jr. is lurking in the wings and looks like the new messiah when compared to the 2 ridiculous candidates being put forth by the 2 dinosaur parties. If the can get on the ballot and get into debates with the 2 fossils, he will destroy them and possibly win the presidency. If you don’t think that is possible, you haven’t been paying attention. It can happen.

fx_poet
fx_poet
5 months ago

we saw this in 2015/2016 when first the Austrian presidential election went to the right wing nobody had heard of, although that was subsequently overturned by the courts there. but then, Brexit and Trump, very clear protestations of the status quo. the status quo fought back tooth and nail to get trump out, and were successful, but the mask is off now, and it is very clear those in power do not care at all about their populations, only about their own power. I expect we are going to see a bunch more electoral outcomes where the hard right wins, or at the very least wins enough to destroy the opportunity for viable coalitions. Milei in Argentina was the first, Wilders success is second. look for AfD to do extremely well in the German regional elections, and for the right to seek the Canadian provincials. people are angry and immigration is a key issue.

nooneaskedme
nooneaskedme
5 months ago

We should be able to accept immigrants who adhere to our values and reject those that won’t without relying on ugly racial stereotypes to do so. Part of the west’s problems is that we no longer have the confidence to teach enlightenment values to our own children. It’s difficult, then, to expect people from outside to adopt such values that we don’t uphold ourselves.

dpy
dpy
5 months ago
Reply to  nooneaskedme

We should be able to accept immigrants who will positively contribute to our overall prosperity. I believe that is the basis of the actual structure which is unfortunately being circumvented.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
5 months ago
Reply to  dpy

Repito. No hablo Inglés.

Jojo
Jojo
5 months ago
Reply to  dpy

Low Income New Yorkers Lose Out on Thanksgiving Turkeys as Migrants Gobble Them Up
November 21, 2023
link to fairus.org

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
5 months ago
Reply to  nooneaskedme

We should be able to accept immigrants who adhere to our values…”

When “our” “values” no longer extends, at all, beyond crass theft by debasement; what purpose would that serve. And that’s assuming there is such a thing as “our” values. Intelligent Americans’ values, has exactly nothing in common with the so-called “values” of those indoctrinated enough to fall for something as trivially idiotic as central banking.

But by all means: If by “our values” you intended complete and unabridged support for the Bill of Rights, as well as of the monetary and foreign policy ideals of the Founding fathers; then sure! That would indeed be fantastic. Even better if all those currently inside the US who do not share those “values” (which, btw, are self evident per the Founders…),should all reverse immigrate….

“we no longer have the confidence to teach enlightenment values to our own children.” Again; kind of hard to do; when “we” no longer have any enlightenment values. “We” “make money of our ‘home’” now. Which is exactly synonymous with “we make money by way of the government robbing others on our behalf.” Nothing neither enlightened nor enlightenment about that.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
5 months ago
Reply to  nooneaskedme

Lo siento. No hablo Inglés.

William Jackson
William Jackson
5 months ago

A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything—the population of America has the mental ability of a sixth grader. The result of millions born for a government check in welfare. The Administrative State in DC and Democrat politicians have achieved their objectives of total control of the population with the help of corp. media propaganda.
What comes next is control of the ballot box and currency control perhaps

TomS
TomS
5 months ago

Wilders’ Freedom Party, PVV Positions. Not a bad plan, but here are some edits:

“De-RADICAL-Islamization” of the USA
Banning the Quran is a bad idea, not into religious censorship, but shut mosques that support radicalization
Close the borders to everyone and establish a merit-based system for entry that covers all levels of skills needed in the US.

Sounds good to me. How soon can we get started on this here in the US?

FromBrussels
FromBrussels
5 months ago
Reply to  TomS

Wilders is a fc kn chameleon , the immediate future will show ! Baudet was my favorite ….but then I am kind of an outsider in ALL political social aspects….and of course I ain’ t no deluded Nederlander to start with !

TomS
TomS
5 months ago
Reply to  FromBrussels

Not sure about Wilders. First I’ve heard of him, but you certainly seem “out there”.

Cheers!

Ronald Roth
Ronald Roth
5 months ago
Reply to  TomS

A good start.
Shall we also designate each of the Mexican drug cartels as international terrorist organizations, and aim a bunch of drones, and Special Forces, in their direction?

D. Heartland
D. Heartland
5 months ago

Trump claimed he would “drain the swamp” then he clogged the drain with the Likes of Bolton, etc. There are forces against EVERY President who WANTS change and thus they over-threw him 4 years later.

COULD HE DO BETTER THE NEXT ROUND?

We will not find out because there are forces against him being Pres again. They will “fix it” in so many words.

Biden will drop like a rock and in comes Newsom who looks like Vlad the Impaler (go do a search, WHOA!). He has been bleeding Cal of its biggest Tax base, Billionaires and now Millionaires are fleeing the state in droves.

Boomers are dumping their Mansions, no longer needed. They are moving to Idaho, Montana and other nicer states.

Newsom could win on looks alone. I hate to say it but Voters ARE that shallow. He is also connected by the hip to Auntie Pelosi. HE IS CONNECTED.

I do not see a Rosy future for America, because beyond Presidential Politics, all promises and no delivery, we have the likes of McConnell and the new Speaker, and they are ALL SWAMP all the time. Congress does not legislate: they NEGOTIATE For huge Cuts of our MIC spending and sell out to BIG CORP AMERICA (Pharma, Tech, Jails, Military, Medical, and you name them, they have MIGHTY CHECKBOOKS – -HUGE money).

Congress is a virtual $$$$$4 Vacuuming op.

Last edited 5 months ago by D. Heartland
TomS
TomS
5 months ago
Reply to  D. Heartland

Nice writeup Heartland. I believe the 2024 election is already fixed, and I’m not talking about the left trying to railroad Trump which is, of course, true.

No. I think they’ve figured out how to win using mail-in ballot fraud. Fortunately, 2024 is going to be the moment we either wake the F-up or quickly slide into oblivion.

Trump WILL be on the ballot in Nov ’24. During the summer, he’ll have massive rallies and the polls will show him leading whomever his opponent is, most likely Newsom. But somehow, he’s going to lose. Certainly, he’s capable saying some stupid things that’s for sure, but the fix is in. The only question is what do conservatives do? There’s a lot on the line. Thomas & Alito would have to hang in there for another 4 years, and the GOP would have limited ability to unearth all the way’s Dems are rigging the election with probably the biggest being the use of Big Tech AI to sway public opinion.

Newsom & Biden debate on 11/30, so you would “think” that Newsom has to make a move soon after the debate. But there has to be some sort of legal workaround that’s going to let him jump in after at least 12 or so states’ filling deadlines will have already passed.

link to ballotpedia.org

Cheers!

Jojo
Jojo
5 months ago
Reply to  TomS

But there has to be some sort of legal workaround”
—–
Harris steps aside in the interest of the ticket and for some guaranteed juicy job or Cabinet appointment in the 2nd term admin, Biden then appoints Newsom as VP.

Everyone is now happy that there is at least a competent 2nd behind Biden should anything happen to him. Biden wins and then in the early months of the his 2nd term, steps down due to age/mental issues. Newsom becomes President.

All homeless people are immediately given homes by presidential decree.

Denker
Denker
5 months ago

From the European Conservative article entitled Geert Wilders, Bogeyman to the Left, Now in Driver’s Seat “Between October 7 and November 22, the electoral support for Geert Wilders rose from 12% to 23%.Did the large pro-Palestine demonstrations across the Netherlands cities have a role in pushing Dutch voters towards the staunchly anti-immigrant PVV?”

Last edited 5 months ago by Denker
Jojo
Jojo
5 months ago

I think y’all will find enjoyment in this article. Maureen Dowd is a NYT liberal. Her brother is the opposite.
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My Brother’s Thanksgiving Lament
Nov. 21, 2023
Maureen Dowd

Thanksgiving began as a time of prayer. We could use some prayers right now, in a country inflamed with hate and prejudice and generational mistrust. Americans are at each other’s throats, living in different realities, fraught by two brutal, calamitous wars. So, as this annus horribilis lurches to a close, with the hope that we can understand each other better, or at least eat pie together, here is the annual holiday column from a man I frequently disagree with, but always, love, my conservative brother, Kevin.

****

Less than a year before the country chooses a president, President Biden’s poll numbers are almost catastrophic. The overwhelming majority of voters say he is too old, and Donald Trump is beating him in five of six battleground states, according to one recent survey.

While majorities of the country find both Trump and Biden unacceptable, Trump remains the Republican front-runner, bolstered by what his supporters see as overeager Democratic prosecutions. This scenario holds great peril for Republicans because Trump is the weakest candidate against Biden. He already lost to him in 2020 and the reflexive hatred he generates, especially among women, could boost Democratic turnout as only Trump could manage.

Biden’s three years have been a disaster. An exorbitant round of unnecessary Covid spending sent inflation through the roof, leading to a destructive rise in interest rates and further squeezing consumers.

We should fear that John Kerry and Antony Blinken are projecting weakness, leading to an unimaginable alliance of China, Russia and Iran that threatens our future. Our botched and tragic withdrawal from Afghanistan set Putin’s invasion of Ukraine into motion.

link to nytimes.com

Doug78
Doug78
5 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

“Over eager Democrat prosecutors”? More like rabid Democrat prosecutors that don’t know the difference between right and wrong. The “unnecessary Covid spending sent inflation through the roof” was contrived by Democrats blinded by party loyalty to destroy the economy, small enterprises and lives and all that was for nothing except power. Gavin cleaned up San Francisco for Xi’s visit and then said he did for Xi and not for the citizens of San Fransico. He admitted it and said a “fuck you” to them “you will vote for me anyway. Democrats tried to treat the nation as if it were a Democrat party machine in some place like Philadelphia where it doesn’t matter who you vote for because we count the votes. My anger against the Democrats is immense and I used to be a Democrat.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
5 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

Have you ever visited Chicago during an election year?

Jojo
Jojo
5 months ago

Mish facetiously wrote “However, voters have correctly decided that between Trump and Biden, Trump looks better in comparison. The devil we had is better than the devil we got.”
——
I submit that regardless of what you see in year out polls, voters WILL NOT choose a convicted criminal, which is what Trump is going to be, for president.

FromBrussels
FromBrussels
5 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

just continue being a deluded brainwashed nonentity sonny ….it suits you !

Doug78
Doug78
5 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

Voters will because the charges are trumped up, ridiculous and meant to keep him off the ballot and the majority of voters see it that way. The Democrat’s chicanery has caused terrible harm to the country and they deserve to lose and to lose.

TomS
TomS
5 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

“Trumped Up”

Nice pun!

FJB!

john
john
5 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

Two Words: Marion Barry.

BobC
BobC
5 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

Do you honestly think that if Trump gets convicted of that tax fraud/Stormy Daniels payoff nonsense in New York, it’ll cost him votes? Not a chance

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
5 months ago

Regarding Trump, I’ve now read the forces funding him are actually people that fund liberal causes. They now think Trump is the only candidate Biden can beat. It is a dangerous game but I think by summer 2024, Biden will be a in a better place. His worst polling will be between now and late winter. A lot of things can tip the scales but the election a few weeks ago points to bad polling again. Republicans were beaten back in Ohio and Virginia. There is an undercurrent of women voters that have had enough with the Republican party.

RonJ
RonJ
5 months ago

Trump has gone from 8% of the black vote in 2020, to 22% support in recent polling. Black parents in Maryland are upset that the progressive Democrats are not educating their children, for one. A BLM chapter founder in New Hampshire came out recently for Trump. He said there are others like him, who are keeping quiet about it, considering the political climate.

There are multiple under currents going on.

TomS
TomS
5 months ago
Reply to  RonJ

He’s gaining black & Hispanic voters at a historic rate.

And, all of those independent candidates are bad for Dems. But, I still say that Trump has already lost. The only question is do conservatives rise up and uncover the truth behind these fixed elections?

Last edited 5 months ago by TomS
Bayleaf
Bayleaf
5 months ago

Let’s just continue pretending, shall we.

TomS
TomS
5 months ago

Let me guess. You’re getting 100% of your news from the DailyKos?

Micheal Engel
Micheal Engel
5 months ago

Dublin is burning. An illegal immigrant stabbed 3 children and 2 adults near school.
An Irish mob burnt police cars and looted stores, yelling : Irish lives matter !

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
5 months ago
Reply to  Micheal Engel

Next year will be a very hot summer – everywhere.

Albert
Albert
5 months ago

Every European country has a 20-30 percent MAGA-type fan base, but the share of the right-wing authoritarian parties tends to wax and wane over time. But none of the democratic parties wants to get close with the right-wing authoritarians (at least so far). I remain optimistic that the Dutch will resist the authoritarian virus.

FUBAR111111
FUBAR111111
5 months ago
Reply to  Albert

Seems to me all the authoritarianism emanates from the so-called “liberals” today, not conservatives. Please tell me exactly which country that is ruled by a Conservative Party is “authoritarian” again?

Your hypocrisy is off the scale, like every liberal. Everything you accuse conservatives of doing or wanting to do is what you so-called “liberals” have already done. It’s called projection.

Albert
Albert
5 months ago
Reply to  FUBAR111111

I am not talking about conservatives! I am talking about MAGA-type knuckleheads. I am a conservative, and I think MAGA is the biggest threat to conservatism (just check what happened to German conservatives in the 1930s).

FUBAR111111
FUBAR111111
5 months ago
Reply to  Albert

MAGA type knucklehead here- I doubt you are any sort of “conservative” but the type who vote Democrat

In the 1930s, the National Socialist Workers Party were the Nazis, and they were not conservative they were fascists who believed in State ownership in cooperation with a few favored oligarchs, a weird mix of philosophies for sure.

What are you trying to say, you think Trump will have you arrested for not agreeing with him? What “threat to Conservatives” exactly?

Alex
Alex
5 months ago
Reply to  Albert

Right wing authoritarians? More like left wing totalitarian, nut cases.

Doug78
Doug78
5 months ago
Reply to  Albert

That “so far” is about to change rapidly. The immigration problem has become urgent enough to unify people.

RonJ
RonJ
5 months ago

Unexpected Win”

Maybe not so much, after what the government was doing to the Dutch farmers. It’s a law of physics, that an action begets an equal and opposite reaction. It also applies to economics (every boom ends in a bust) and human nature (the political pendulum swings back and forth).
The political persecution of Trump is increasing his popularity. People react to a corrupt FBI/DOJ.

Harvey Day
Harvey Day
5 months ago

I have more faith in rational Americans voting against Trump than the polls seem to indicate. I believe that on election day people will think more clearly about decency and liberty, and then
vote against traitor Trump.

FUBAR111111
FUBAR111111
5 months ago
Reply to  Harvey Day

Ha ha ha ha

The TDS is strong with this one

Will you promise to leave the country when Trump wins! Please?

Doug78
Doug78
5 months ago
Reply to  Harvey Day

Decency with Biden and family being the most corrupt politician since the Clintons “pay to play”?

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
5 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

Just 10% for the Big Guy.
When you make money, we make money.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
5 months ago
Reply to  Harvey Day

I have faith that the idiot American Democrats afraid of losing their free stuff for everyone all the time meal ticket will vote for anything other than Trump. No matter how lacking in qualifications.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
5 months ago

It will be difficult for the right party in the Netherlands to get much change bc they don’t have enough votes in Parliament to even do anything without compromising with other center and left coalitions. Unlike American politics, Europe actually allows multiple coalitions to exist. This makes for better governance and checks and balances.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
5 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

I think it forces the centrists to go with populism. The biggest issue facing most western countries is immigration. The ugly truth is if we stop fighting wars for people getting kicked out of their countries by invaders like Russia and Islamic countries then we get more immigration. And it causes more problems domestically for western democracies. This is a win-win for China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran and others.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
5 months ago

Very true.
In Europe all those factions result in squabbling and ineffective government.
Whereas, in the United States they require only two factions for ineffective government.

Sunriver
Sunriver
5 months ago

The EU has indeed failed. We will be back to Marks and Francs soon enough. Matters not, low skilled immigration labor will continue to easily obtain government assistance. The damage has been done and bankruptcy will ensue. The US is in the same shape.

At least the former EU can save some monies by continuing to receive free NATO military assistance.

Doug78
Doug78
5 months ago
Reply to  Sunriver

That explains why the Euro has been rising against the Dollar this last year.

Bigus Dickus
Bigus Dickus
5 months ago

Elections in the EU have become fairly irrelevant. The unelected EU leaders can do whatever they want without the bothersome need for themselves to be elected and national governments are bribed or bullied to do what they’re told.

Rather amusing that the cradle of Democracy is also its grave.

Nonplused
Nonplused
5 months ago

The devil they knew was shutting down farms over some trumped up concerns over nitrogen, so good riddance. Sometimes something is so corrupt you just have to get rid of it, no matter that it causes turmoil.

Bryan
Bryan
5 months ago

When the migrants get to the front of the lines before the locals, you will have a problem. It’s nature you know: link to fairus.org

Richard S.
Richard S.
5 months ago

Biden isn’t making any decisions or setting policy. He’s Mister Magoo’ing his way through the presidency, just happy to be in the big chair after decades of trying. Biden will read or say anything his handlers tell him to — to the best of his ability, anyway.

God only knows who is truly pulling Biden’s strings. Obama, Elizabeth Warren, who knows? Did anyone see the videos of Biden on stage with other leaders at APEC? It’s scary. Dude has no idea where he is or what’s going on. He’s not coming up with this green agenda on his own, that’s for sure.

Tom Bergerson
Tom Bergerson
5 months ago
Reply to  Richard S.

Biden is a tool of Davos, of the European Green Elite

Recall his signature legislation was called Build Back Better

A name lifted straight from the WEF marketing

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
5 months ago
Reply to  Richard S.

Watching Biden is almost like watching an evening with Abraham Lincoln at Disneyland.

Christoball
Christoball
5 months ago

Western powers make a mess of the world, prompting real or imagined asylum seekers/refugees. Western nations have their social structure stressed by an unnatural influx of immigrants , and things go to pieces. Some think that it is the country of origin that causes the problems but I can guarantee that if the same amount of poor Germans, French, Italians, Americans swarmed any host Nation their would be problems. The problem is an unnaturally increased density within a given National Economy and Infrastructure. All it takes is one bad apple from the immigrant population to spark a reaction.

Last edited 5 months ago by Christoball
Bryan
Bryan
5 months ago
Reply to  Christoball

Well Said

Neal
Neal
5 months ago
Reply to  Christoball

Rubbish! There are millions of poor Poles, Ukrainians, Armenians and Russians that have moved to Britain in numbers greater than those from Morocco to Afghanistan and Pakistan yet the number of bad apples is many multiples higher in the non European poor than the European poor. Why is that????

Doug78
Doug78
5 months ago
Reply to  Neal

Low trust culture moving to a high trust culture.

Christoball
Christoball
5 months ago
Reply to  Neal

It isn’t the bad apples that ruin the host nation. It is the volume of all the immigrant apples that over burden housing, schools, infrastructure and wage debasement. Massive immigration is inflationary for essentials and deflationary for wages. The majority of the host nation suffers a degraded standard of living as a result. The rich and asset owners love it until they don’t. When things get messed up, things get ugly for everyone. Why do you think the European mindset has been at war for so long. America still has a traditional European colonial mindset.

Doug78
Doug78
5 months ago

I prefer DeSantis but Trump will do. Both are better than any Democrat by far.

Jojo
Jojo
5 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

I expected better of you. Disappointing…

Doug78
Doug78
5 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

I don’t search your approval, Jojo.

TomS
TomS
5 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

Agreed. I can respect people in the middle being iffy about Trump as well as left wingers. But anyone who would stand up for Biden, a Dem, is just untrustworthy.

TomS
TomS
5 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

What’s disappointing is you probably thinking Biden is a great president.

FJB!

Jojo
Jojo
5 months ago
Reply to  TomS

I don’t. Just the better of the choice between himself and Trump.

TomS
TomS
5 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

Biden is better? This guy is going to let 14M illegals walk across the border. The overall bad consequence of this are just staggering and will take years to reveal.

The guy is a true criminal. He’s OWNED by China & Russia.

He’s in the middle of dementia and is no more running the country than I am.

He could not have failed getting out of Afghanistan any worse.

He’s a foreign policy nightmare.

His Bidenonmics are sending America to the poor house.

He chose Kamala Harris as his VP solely based on her skin color.

Hey, as a person, Trump is far from desirable, but are you really wearing such large rose-colored glasses that you can truly say FJB is better than Trump?

My gawd, JoJo, are you for real? Nah! You’re just pulling my chain.

Scott
Scott
5 months ago

All you have described is a society (like 1930s Germany) under pressure from some temporary condition (economic collapse and inflation) and how the population goes off the rails electing some schmuck (Adolph) who promises to find some one to blame (Jews) and makes things 1000 times worse than they could have been. Communists and Libertarians have great ideas on how to fix everything .. and it all works .. till reality arrives.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
5 months ago
Reply to  Scott

Oh I don’t know, the superhighways are pretty nice.

Tom Bergerson
Tom Bergerson
5 months ago

It is hardly surprising that the existing societal seppuku policymakers controlling Europe get a black eye when their plans to self-immolate start being felt by normal people

Biden is an extension of that european approach. America does not want to self-immolate either

I doubt however that the people, or lunatics, who actually control the US and its elections will allow Trump to actually become POTUS again

Last edited 5 months ago by Tom Bergerson
Bryan
Bryan
5 months ago
Reply to  Tom Bergerson

Great Comment.

BobC
BobC
5 months ago
Reply to  Tom Bergerson

It seems like the Republicans have figured out that they need to fight hard for those mail-in votes and not just complain that mail-in votes shouldn’t exist…
this election is probably going to be about voter turnout in battleground states

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
5 months ago
Reply to  BobC

Same as the past elections.
Decided by 50%+ of the population in 5 US states.

George Phillies
George Phillies
5 months ago

The Grand Coalition does not have enough votes. It is up to 45% or so. The SPD as the minority half of the prior grand coalition suffered mightily as a result.

Alex
Alex
5 months ago

Biden is a 2022 Democrat, Trump a 1980s Democrat. The Democratic party has surged so far left it can’t tell the difference between boys and girls or right from wrong. It’s as if half the country has become deranged nut cases.

I perfer Paleo conservatives like Pat Buchanan: borders, language and culture. Or a right wing Libertarians like Hans Herman Hoppe.

Bryan
Bryan
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex

Insightful thoughts, thanks.

HMK
HMK
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex

No one likes Vivek here? Not a tool of the mic like dick Cheney in 3 inch heels

Jojo
Jojo
5 months ago
Reply to  HMK

ROFLOL

Alex
Alex
5 months ago
Reply to  HMK

Vivek is the best of those running. Perhaps RFK Jr.. Both are bad on Israel but perhaps that’s to avoid the wrath of the Israel Lobby.

Doug78
Doug78
5 months ago
Reply to  HMK

Vivek is a smartass who thinks he knows everything. His positions come from checking boxes.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
5 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

And there’s always a few really hard questions that he didn’t go back to before the time’s up.

Ryan
Ryan
5 months ago

The card the left had to play here was Trump is corrupt. Unfortunately Biden looks just as corrupt. They may deny it, but the web of shell companies funneling money to Biden’s doesn’t pass the smell test except for the most hardcore partisans. Those people won’t be the ones deciding the outcome. It’s going to be a sad pathetic choice.

David C
David C
5 months ago
Reply to  Ryan

NOBODY is as corrupt or as dangerous as Trump. He’s likely going to jail and even the Republicans won’t vote him into office in a Jail cell.
He’s getting worse as his delusional rants prove. Time for the Republicans to put up a REAL candidate that 70% of the electorate won’t vote against.

FUBAR111111
FUBAR111111
5 months ago
Reply to  David C

Ha ha ha ha

The TDS is strong with this one

Will you promise to leave the country when Trump wins! Please?

nooneaskedme
nooneaskedme
5 months ago
Reply to  David C

big giant unsupported claims don’t add any value to the conversation.

BobC
BobC
5 months ago
Reply to  David C

You think a billionaire white man is going to jail? In America?
oh that is ADORABLE!

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
5 months ago
Reply to  BobC

Perhaps posthumously?

Sam
Sam
5 months ago

The US like all western nations are not reproducing enough to sustain the current population and therfore needs immigration. The US already has unsustainable current debt, growing medicare, social security outlays for the boomers over the next 20 years, the US cannot afford the required welfare and social programs the unskilled and uneducated illegal will require. Trump was correct that we should focus.on more of the productive educated skilled immigrants

Neal
Neal
5 months ago
Reply to  Sam

Is it necessary that the population decline be stopped with immigration? If the US declines back to the population it had back in the 1950s over a few generations how is that so terrible? Or do you want endless growth to fund SS and Medicare and the MIC and the deficit? At some point the growth has to stop, well unless man can colonise the universe and even then someday even that growth will come up against limits.

KGB
KGB
5 months ago

Socialism fails with every attempt. F.D.Roosevelt began with social security. Lyndon Baines Johnson greased the skids with The Great Society. Biden stuck a fork in it with hyper inflation.

David C
David C
5 months ago
Reply to  KGB

You clearly don’t know what the term “Hyperinflation” means.
This isn’t even close. Way less than in the 70’s and 80’s where they were 20% mortgages.

HMK
HMK
5 months ago
Reply to  David C

Not way less the inputs have been changed to deliberately understate true inflation. It’s about the same if measured using the same parameters as the 70s.

FUBAR111111
FUBAR111111
5 months ago
Reply to  KGB

Argentina has actual hyperinflation. At +146%, which is low by hyperinflation standards. Bidenflation may be painful, but it’s just vanilla inflation. Its not due to socialism, it’s because of extreme money printing, supported by the inept incompetents of the Uniparty.

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
5 months ago
Reply to  KGB

Show Obama some love. He got Obamacare passed.

N C
N C
5 months ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

And my costs keep going up. No thanks.

Jojo
Jojo
5 months ago
Reply to  N C

They would be a lot higher without Obamacare.

JDaveF
JDaveF
5 months ago

I wonder if the Islamic stab-a-thon in France yesterday influenced this election?

Alex
Alex
5 months ago
Reply to  JDaveF

The stab-a-thon is also occurring in Irland.

link to rt.com

Avery2
Avery2
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex

Begorrah! Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

Doug78
Doug78
5 months ago
Reply to  JDaveF

Stabbings by Muslim immigrants are almost a daily occurrence in France now.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
5 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

It’s fast becoming a tradition for Muslim immigrants.

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