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Poland Suddenly Shocks US With Planes For US to Deliver to Ukraine

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Poland announced it will send planes to Germany for the US to deliver to Ukraine. The US was not informed of Poland’s decision and does not know how to respond.

We need to back up a bit and start from the beginning.    

Yesterday I reported US in Talks With Europe to Ban Russian Oil, With Poland to Supply Planes

On NBC’s Meet the Press with Chuck Todd, secretary of state Antony Blinken discussed sending planes to Ukraine via Poland and with the EU on banning Russian oil.

Todd: This idea of essentially U.S. fighter jets to Poland; in exchange, Poland sends Russian-made jets to Ukraine – is that going to happen? And how quickly can it happen?

Blinken: We’re talking very actively about this, looking at what we can do to backfill Poland if it chooses to send the MiGs and the Su planes that it has to Ukraine, how we can help by backfilling what they’re giving to the Ukrainians. So that’s in very active discussion as we speak.

Todd: So we are 100 percent going to do this? If any of these NATO nations that have these Russian-made planes donate them to the Ukrainian – Ukraine, we’re going to backfill if they’re NATO Allies?

Blinken: Well, look. We’ve got to – we have to work through each case on its own merits. We’ve got to make sure we’re able to do something if that’s what a country is requesting in return for sharing the jets that they have.

In a TWEET now removed, Poland emphatically stated it had no intention of sending planes to Ukraine.

In the last hour we now see TWEETs like these.

Poland expects F16s jets from the US for sending Poland’s MIGs to Germany for the US to send to Ukraine.

US State Department Caught Off Guard

Poland ready to place all its MIG-29 jets at the disposal of U.S.

Here is the Official Polish Announcement.

The authorities of the Republic of Poland, after consultations between the President and the Government, are ready to deploy – immediately and free of charge – all their MIG-29 jets to the Ramstein Air Base and place them at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America.

At the same time, Poland requests the United States to provide us with used aircraft with corresponding operational capabilities. Poland is ready to immediately establish the conditions of purchase of the planes.

The Polish Government also requests other NATO Allies – owners of MIG-29 jets – to act in the same vein.

Reuters reports Poland ready to place all its MIG-29 jets at the disposal of U.S.

Poland is supporting Kyiv with defensive weapons, but has said it would not send jets to Ukraine, as it is not a direct party to the conflict between Ukraine – which is not a NATO ally – and Russia.

“…any decisions on delivering offensive weapons have to be taken by the entire NATO and on a unanimous basis,” Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said on Tuesday during a joint news conference with his Norwegian counterpart in Oslo.

“This is why we are ready to give all of our fleet of jet fighters to Ramstein, but we are not ready to make any moves on our own because, as I said, we are not party to this war,” he added.

Poland does not want direct involvement. It wants the US to have direct involvement by giving the US its MIGs free of charge for the US to deliver to Ukraine. 

US Shocked 

CNN notes the US State Department Reaction

A top State Department official said Tuesday that Poland did not consult with the United States prior to issuing its statement about readiness to transfer jets to the US in Germany.

“I saw that announcement by the government of Poland as I was literally driving here today,” Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland said during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing.

“So to my knowledge, it wasn’t pre-consulted with us that they plan to give these planes to us,” she said.

“I look forward when this hearing is over to getting back to my desk and seeing how we will respond to this proposal of theirs to give the planes to us,” she said, noting that the US and Poland have been in consultations for a couple of days on this topic. 

A senior US defense official, meanwhile, told CNN that they’ve seen the Polish government’s announcement and “have nothing to offer at this time.”

It remains unclear where the US will pull the F-16s from in order to possibly send them to Poland or other Eastern European countries in the near term. But members of Congress are supportive of the effort. Sen. Ben Cardin asked Nuland for the Biden administration to notify them if there were going to be any delays to getting these F-16s to Poland.

U.S. lawmakers pressure Biden to help with transfer of European aircraft to Ukraine

Adding fat to the fire U.S. lawmakers pressure Biden to help with transfer of European aircraft to Ukraine

And that is what secretary of state Antony Blinken told Meet the Press on Sunday that he wanted. 

Poland just said yes, with a huge twist. 

Addendum – US Says No

Addendum

My reply to the Pentagon and Secretary of State

Did the US Think Anything Through?

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wmjack50
wmjack50
4 years ago
What a group of political Democratic elites that have no clue what to do next—Arab Spring, Afghanistan and now Ukraine
Their experience is in graft and bribe taking and money laundering 
Billy
Billy
4 years ago
Attention Elon Musk:
Please send Full Self-Driving Capability to Poland and any other Nato countries willing to trade up their Migs for some F16s.
Make sure to process the order using a VPN that goes through China and North Korea so they are involved too.
That way the Migs can be sold to Taiwan and have their flag painted on them just before flying under the radar to Ukraine.
After all, China owns Taiwan right?
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
Could be a mix up.  Could be poland trying send its on message to putin. Or maybe poland just wants free planes really bad.  
Who knows
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Rbm
POland is taking in a lot of Ukrainian refugees.  They are clearly on the side of Ukraine.   But in the vein of never let a good crisis go to waste, Polan figures they can get rid of the MIGS, get new planes from the USA in compensation for handling the refugees and also look like the good guys.  Seems logical.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
POPCORN TIME again for the world’s criminal WARMONGER N° 1  ….ALL in the name of sacred fn democracy !   Hey why don t you import some Ukrainian women now that their husbands are making molotov cocktails….they ve got quite a reputation….. the women I mean …..
Thalamus
Thalamus
4 years ago
Blinken must have had his Adrenochrome cut off if he didn’t try and spark a war.  The Luciferians, through Klaus and Soros, are trying everything in their power to start WWIII, while they go live in their lavish underground city system waiting for the depopulation of humanity after the missiles fly.  That 55,000 pages from Pfizer’s “secret” documents showing a 3% death rate amongst trial participants taking the jab is catching up with them.   Got to rush plan B (WWIII).  
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
“Poland announced it will send planes to Germany for the US to deliver to Ukraine.”
Tag, your it.
zimminy
zimminy
4 years ago
Tinfoil Hat time.
I don’t trust anything that is being said, I love the American people but I don’t trust the US government for one second, I believe so much clandestine crap goes on behind the scenes that we are never aware of, we are just told the narrative they want us to believe. 
Is all of this just naturally occurring, Putin saw weakness in the present US administration and decided to pounce? Does he have aspirations to re-establish the former Soviet union territories? Did he feel a threat from NATO and potential US missiles and such being placed at his doorstep? I don’t have a freeking clue.
I do know the Covid fear narrative was running out of steam and we conveniently, almost on a dime slid into a New crisis for the world to worry about. WW3, Nuclear scorched earth?
Most have seen the WEF video touting that by 2030 you will own NOTHING. this is not tinfoil hat, this is not a conspiracy, the Davos crowd talks about it openly. The UN talks about the need to abolish all private property ownership for “the good of the environment”.
All I know is to the reach their stated utopian dream of the population of the world “owning nothing’ we will need something catastrophic to take place between now and 2030 be it an Economic crash, massive supply chain crash or WW3 ?? There is no way people would give up everything they own unless there was no choice.
Again, it seems too convenient that at a time when there already were huge supply chain disruptions we now throw this into the supply chain mess, a coincidence or engineered?? I don’t have a clue but it makes you wonder and question everything that goes on. the only thing that can’t be questioned is the poor Ukrainian people and the suffering they are now going through.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  zimminy
“I don’t trust anything that is being said”
You shouldn’t. Governments keep how many secrets from the public? Covid-19 response was a crafted narrative. Fauci and Collins were using burner phones to communicate in SECRET. Drugs that worked, were falsely claimed to not work and were dangerous, while a dangerous drug was used on hospital patients, as the standard of care. Medical and scientific experts in their field were smeared if they didn’t parrot the official narrative. And i haven’t even gotten to these so-called Covid vaccines, yet. There is a Pfizer whistleblower. Additionally, Dr. Peter McCullough: “Steve Kirsch has a “million dollar offer” to anyone to come forward for a conversation on the record concerning safety of genetic products being pushed onto Americans.”
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
Reply to  zimminy
I would say weakness in america in general not necessarily  in the democratic party.  Between pulling out of Afghanistan and other hot spots.   Distracted from turmoil at home.  Partly  due to putin medaling.   Remember trump stance on nato.   From trumps words and fox news etc.  the dems are probably tougher than repubs would be.  
As far as the covid fear narrative goes.   I doubt biden called putin and said hey i need a war for my ratings.  My take is maybe putin needs to distract his people with a war.   
BDR45
BDR45
4 years ago
Why has Russia been so demonized that it seems perfectly normal to escalate this war by the West in providing armament and support?  I don’t know anyone now who DOESN’T hate Russia. Look at the history, look at the meddling of the West in Ukraine.  Look at our state department seemingly urging on WW3.  It’s collective insanity in my opinion.  Let Ukraine and Russia fight it out, and stay out of their affairs. It’s really none of our business. 
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
During the Vietnam war North Vietnam had MIG fighters and anti-aircraft missiles in quantity. The North Vietnamese did not build these high-tech weapons. They were given to them by the Soviet Union. Ukraine will receive similar help.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
go home Yankee !
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Let me thank you for your sincere interest in me. It strokes my ego so please keep stroking me.
TheBigRoastBeefFrog
TheBigRoastBeefFrog
4 years ago
People need to be smarter. You Transfer the MiGs to the Ukraine/Polish border. The planes are there to secure the border. Then 28 Ukraine pilots sneek one evening onto the airfield and steal the planes. Then there is a fake complaint from the Polish government with a demand for the return of the MiGs. Ukrainiens reject and excuse themselves. Voila. The Brits and US did that under Churchills support in WWII 
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
I got to say that it is just slightly better than Trump’s idea of painting Chinese markings on NATO planes!   
Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
Lol! Poland thought: wait a minute, here is a great way to uprade our air force. Especially since spare parts for the migs just got a lot harder to get. Really though enough already, we are going to crash the entire western financial markets and worse yet, perhaps experience WW3 at this pace. Both parties are signalling they are ready to deal and get this over with.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Jackula
Why not allow the Ukrainians to pick-up the planes in Poland and fly directly into Ukraine to attack Russians.  Once they have dumped their weapons and are almost out of fuel, they then take a page from the WWII Japanese kamikaze pilots and aim for whatever the largest concentration of Russians they can see. 
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
“Moscow
has not even announced its own package of counter-sanctions. Yet an
official decree “On Temporary Order of Obligations to Certain Foreign
Creditors,” which allows Russian companies to settle their debts in
rubles, provides a hint of what’s to come.

Russian
counter-measures all revolve around this new presidential decree,
signed last Saturday, which economist Yevgeny Yushchuk defines as a
“nuclear retaliatory landmine.” .

It
works like this: to pay for loans obtained from a sanctioning country
exceeding 10 million rubles a month, a Russian company does not have to
make a transfer. They ask for a Russian bank to open a correspondent
account in rubles under the creditor’s name. Then the company transfers
rubles to this account at the current exchange rate, and it’s all
perfectly legal.

Payments
in foreign currency only go through the Central Bank on a case-by-case
basis. They must receive special permission from the Government
Commission for the Control of Foreign Investment.

What this mean in practice is that the bulk of the $478
billion or so in Russian foreign debt may “disappear” from the balance
sheets of western banks. The equivalent in rubles will be deposited
somewhere, in Russian banks, but western banks, as things stand, can’t
access it.”

Will this hurt ?
Are there some derivative products around this ?
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
She has to talk to the smartass liberals in the US.   They can tell her why they are cocksure that Putin will never have the guts to go nuclear.   
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
I was referring to quitting. I bet she doesn’t make it past this weekend. 
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
As if this is something new.   What happened to Donahue after he hosted just one episode on MSDNC featuring a debate about the war on Iraq?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
No worries, Putin fan club.  The USA says no to Poland’s offer as “not tenable”. 
But Ukraine needs those planes in order to push back the Russians.  They will keep pushing for them.
carmensandiegoalive
carmensandiegoalive
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Jojo, this absurd pre-scripted nonsense from Poland and the Pentagon with Poland asserting that it will gift its Mig-29s to the United States and then the Pentagon asserting that such a thing is “not tenable” belongs in a comedy club skit somewhere.
Why go through the silliness at all?
Because Poland, with millions of Ukrainers pouring across its border, is in dire need to virtue signal on the world stage in favor of Ukraine.
Hence today’s mind-numbing scripted foolishness, in reality leaving Poland and the Pentagon, Ukraine and Russia right back to where they were when the day began.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
“But Ukraine needs those planes in order to push back the Russians.”
Last thing Ukraine needs, is to escalate this conflict to also include air war. All they’ll accomplish, is give Russians an excuse to up the destructiveness of their campaign. As well as risk the complications of Ukrainian pilots under pressure seeking refuge in neighboring, possibly NATO country, airspace. Dragging the conflict with them. That may be exactly what the most radical and self righteous parts of the Ukranian government wants to accomplish, judging by their most unhinged pronouncements. But for the rest of Ukraine and Europe, it’s nothing but a surefire disaster.
Ukraine will NEVER beat Russia in an all out “materials” war. And NATO will never want to find out how much they have to sacrifice, by the time they possibly may be able to do so. Instead, Ukraine’s only hope, is to make it expensive and untenable for the Russian military to stay there. Which requires protracted low intensity conflict. Not air-to-air combat shows above Ukranian cities. Just Be The Taliban. Join the Taliban. Be nothing but The Taliban. And prepare to Be The Taliban for the next 600 years. Either that, or be Finland. That’s their two choices. One will, at some point, beat the Russians. The other, will be able to coexists with it.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
A propos, I cannot read MishTalk anymore since my last Chrome update, just some blue title bars flash and then nothing.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Probably one of your addons.  Try Edge.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Doubtful, no changes in addons.
I do use Edge or other browsers.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Ad blocker?  I have had to turn off Ublock Origin in Chrome here and allow ads in order to see comments.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Not sure if that’s such a bad thing anymore. 
Webej
Webej
4 years ago

The planes are going to Ramstein in Germany, and then ???

  • Fly from Germany to Ukraine/Russia, test them S400 Air Defense complexes and missiles? Start WW3?
  • Ship them on ‘unsinkable’ (zircon?) aircraft carriers that cannot traverse the Bosporus and find only Russians in the Black Sea ports?
  • Disassemble and ship by flatbed convoys to reassemble in the Ukraine, take on some kerosene at out of commission airfield, and use bombed out airstrips, using bombed out ammunition depo’s, pilots armed with naked courage, all without GPS, intel, any plausible command & control or support functions?
kiers
kiers
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
S-400, so am told, are able to keep a radius of 200km CLEAR to altitude of 30 km!  Who’s gonna enforce the no-fly zone?  Cnn anchors? Tucker? Rachel Maddow?  what a joke……
Jmurr
Jmurr
4 years ago
Do these chicken hawks in Congress and the media care about the Ukrainians. It would seem like the best outcome would be to reach an agreement with Putin. 
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
Bingo!  The alternative is Russia stays there for years and turns Ukraine into a smouldering pile of rubble. Even if the Ukrainians do eventually push Russia out (like Afghanistan did to both Russia and the US), there won’t be much left and a huge number of people will have been killed on both sides. The CIA and neocons in Washington would be happy with such an outcome, but it doesn’t benefit Ukraine, the Russian people or the rest of the world in any way.
kiers
kiers
4 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
you may be sanctioned for your comment.  sorry. 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
Here are the terms – Putin withdraws all forces from Ukraine.  Easy peasy, no?
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Certainly no easier than the US withdrawing all forces from, eh, like just about everywhere…..
As long as having “national interests” outside one’s own borders are somehow accepted as a possible excuse for interfering there; there will never be a case where interfering next door, against someone else placing military forces aligned against you there, being somehow less justifiable than any other possible interference.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
Whataboutism is so tiring.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
Lol. Putin is trapped. It would be dumb to offer an agreement that is anything less than him resigning and turning himself in to the ICC. 
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
4 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
Agreements were reached:
The Budapest agreement:
In September 1993, Russian President Boris Yeltsin wrote a long letter to U.S. President Bill Clinton. Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic were interested in joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), which was a source of concern to the Russian president. The Russian public, saw the eastern expansion of NATO as “as a sort of neo-isolation” of Russia. Yeltsin made a reference to the Two Plus Four Treaty pertaining to Germany’s reunification in 1990. “The spirit of the treaty,” he wrote, “precludes the option of expanding the NATO zone into the East.” That letter marked the first time that Russia had accused the West of having broken its word.  
The Minsk agreements:
The first Minsk Agreement was signed in September 2014 and the second agreement in March 2015. There were aimed at enabling a permanent peaceful solution to the geopolitical tension between Russia and Ukraine. What happened after Minsk II was signed? There was much less fighting and fewer casualties than in 2014-15. From that perspective, the agreement was, at least, partly fulfilled. Still, there are 1.5 million internally displaced people from the Donbass in Ukraine, and nearly 14,000 people have died in the Donbass conflict.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
OK, but what point are you trying to make with these two references?
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
Seems like the Ukrainians don’t care for that option.
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
Democrats hated on Russia for helping President Trump win the 2016 election. And when it became obvious to even the stupidest Democrat that they’d invented the entire “Russian collusion” story themselves, they hated on Russia even more for it not being true.
Now it’s revenge time.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly

No collusion but it’s been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Putin interfered in multiple elections around the world. Payback is a bitch.

Call_Me
Call_Me
4 years ago
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Call_Me
So it’s ok to have a foreign power weaponize your morons.  Sure.
Call_Me
Call_Me
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
What lines are you reading between?  Weaponizing morons is not only unethical, it’s dangerous!  People get emotionally charged, become unhinged, and can no longer engage in complex thought or nuanced conversation – they resort to shouting down and pushing around anyone they perceive as not standing ‘with them’.
I alluded to the U.S. and its long history of overtly and covertly messing with foreign elections.  Too many people overlook their own faults yet readily point them out when they observe those same faults in others, so it goes with governments.
Call_Me_Al
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
You do know that Clinton interfered in the 1996 Russian election, right?
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
4 years ago
Two things immediately pop into my mind
1.) Are there enough pilots in Ukraine who can fly these MiGs?
2.) I’m sure EVERYONE can see around Poland’s fig leaf.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
Yes to #1, unsure what #2 means.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
The real question should be what state are these aircraft in? Poland is not the USA or Russia and very often you find countries have a lot of aircraft but only a few are serviceable for combat due to maintenance issues that haven’t been done.
It seems to me Poland has old MIG jets from decades ago and wants to upgrade to F16s. The easiest way is to give away clunkers and hope the US gifts them with F16s just because they helped Ukraine.
Call_Me
Call_Me
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Poland probably figured the current administration would go for an updated version of ‘cash for clunkers’! 
Call_Me_Al
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
And now it turns out that our lovely neo-Nazi buddies in Ukraine have been developing their own WMDs – biological weapons, banned the world over:
Jmurr
Jmurr
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Are they doing it or is that a Fauci funded NGO operation?  
TLinFL
TLinFL
4 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
Doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Russia has their own biowarfare labs.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
NATO – National Armory Transition Organization….
we just hand you the weapons because we lied to you about NATO backing you up and now your in Russian crosshairs…signed military complex
Freebees2me
Freebees2me
4 years ago
Mish – clearly not everyone is mindless and stupid….
P.S. – for a USA representative to say this says a LOT!
These people are not chess players
dtj
dtj
4 years ago
Color me not surprised that Victoria Nuland has her hands in this Poland jet deal. If anyone doesn’t know who she is, look her up. She’s had her hands in every war going back to when she worked for Clinton. Then Bush. Then Cheney. Then Obama. Now Biden. If anyone is going to pull the final trigger that starts WWIII, it’s her.
Dean_70
Dean_70
4 years ago
Reply to  dtj
Her husband is a neo-con that helped author the Project For the New American Century. Look that up also. It details how the US should dominate the world.
Irondoor
Irondoor
4 years ago
Reply to  Dean_70
You must be kidding that she has a “husband”? I saw her on TV yesterday. As we used to say, “She’d make a train take a gravel road”.
Greenmountain
Greenmountain
4 years ago
Reply to  Irondoor
Comment contributes nothing.  
kiers
kiers
4 years ago
Reply to  dtj
godawful woman. conveniently now safe in her beltway mansion. wine and cheese.  but she lit the fuse….such pride! such pride!!
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
 just INCREDIBLE how you Americans love Ukraine……MORE than we fn do !  Say, Why don t you invite some couple of mln refugees over …..you are such a fn great exemplary nation, are you fn not ?? ….and you, after all, are responsible for this war …..again… like all ME countries you destroyed and are still trying to destroy (Syria) …. 
ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Your writing style is very difficult for me to read.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
I speak 5 languages ….if you can t cope with just one …..go back to school then !
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Yet you seem unable to communicate effectively in any of them.
conservativeprof
conservativeprof
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Under Biden, the southern USA borders are open with 2M to 3M poor immigrants per year streaming in. No vaccination or Covid test required. Biden secretly flies them to unsuspecting communities in the middle of the night. Biden does this for votes. USA Democrats want a permanent electoral advantage. Biden does not want Ukrainian immigrants. They might not vote for him and his comrades.
The USA is not responsible for Putin’s vicious war. Biden is a blundering fool who has been a party to disarming and manipulating Ukraine. His weakness has emboldened Putin. Still Putin is totally responsible for this vicious war. Ukraine is a peaceful country without any threats to Russia. Ukraine has voluntarily disarmed numerous times to appease the evil Putin. Putin has now earned a place besides the world’s major villains (Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim, Castro, Chavez, …). Putin is a war criminal.
Greenmountain
Greenmountain
4 years ago
Love these conspiracy theories about our neighbors to the south.  Many of these neighbors are actually quite conservative.  And two, they don’t mysterious show up as voters (only Meadows does that), they need to become citizens.  Citizenship takes lots of time and money (something most of these people do not have). Narrative sounds good but is not true and as someone living in one of thee blue states.  Have not seen any new immigrants showing up except those from Afghanistan.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Putin has a lot of catching up to do as far as war crimes are concerned …..Damn fn hypocrites !
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Calm down. You’re gonna have another stroke.
ohno
ohno
4 years ago
If I were in charge of Russia it wouldn’t matter where the planes were from but who was involved.  Not saying I would declare nuclear war on them because it would just result in mutually assured destruction.  It’s just more escalation.
conservativeprof
conservativeprof
4 years ago
Reply to  ohno
Britain and France should not have declared war on Hitler when he invaded Poland? Putin is a war criminal launching a vicious war against a sovereign. The UN was formed to address this type of naked aggression. Besides the brutal war against Ukraine, Putin has issued ugly threats against Europe. Is this your idea of the new world order: one nation invades another nation without provocation. Any nation that helps the bullied nation is guilty of escalation?
JRM
JRM
4 years ago
The UN didn’t stop the USA from invading Panama, Granada, Iraq, and Afghanistan..
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
” Is this your idea of the new world order: one nation invades another nation without provocation.”
It is the new world order since at least 2003 (if not earlier).   

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