On Tuesday Trump Threatened to Shut Down Gov’t in Oval Office Feud with Pelosi, Schumer if Congress did not fund his wall.
Despite asking for wall funding, Trump still insists”Mexico will pay for it.”
Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer responded:
“Well, Mr. President, if you say Mexico is going to pay for the wall through NAFTA, which it certainly won’t, I guess we don’t have to. Let’s fund the government.”
Schumer added, “If the president really believes what he tweeted this morning that his new NAFTA would pay for the wall, he wouldn’t be threatening to shut down the government unless American taxpayers pay for the wall. He can’t have it both ways.”
Former House Speaker and House Speaker elect Nancy Pelosi responded the “American people are still paying the price” if benefits from the trade deal go to the wall.
Who Will Blink?
Addendum
I redid the poll. I left off a compromise choice: One that satisfies no one or delays the decision.
If you voted before there was a 4th choice, please do so again.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
70% of government is funded though the end of 2019 so this shutdown talk is the liars and thief’s at work. The wall or partial wall is a solution but the liars and thief’s don’t want anything to work, the game is rigged and they want Trump out.
Great walls in history:
hmmm . . . . there seems to be a common theme in addition to the ‘walls’
“Well, Mr. President, if you say Mexico is going to pay for the wall through NAFTA, which it certainly won’t, I guess we don’t have to. Let’s fund the government.”
If it won’t, then we have to fund the wall. Let’s fund the wall as part of funding the government.
Looking forward to the Washington Monument Syndrome stories showing the closed gates of Yellowstone, the tearful retirees on their 2nd honeymoon RV tour no longer able to live out their dream of watching Old Faithful (followed by an ad for Cialis, making for a funny double entendre)…
Trump and Pelosi, both skinny, hollow eyed and huddled together in a cold DC soupline, would be better still…… Not so sure if I really want to see the two of them getting together for a Cialis ad, though……..
It is possible the new trade agreement will pay for the wall through higher tax collections, but it still has to be funded by the gov’t. So the democratic response makes no sense. The funding cost is less than a week of interest on the national debt. It will make absolutely no difference to the US budget if it’s funded. It will not take any money away from anything else. We will just borrow an extra $5b of treasuries over several auctions. No one will notice any difference.
Contrary to what the well indoctrinated have been told to believe, structures in the real world don’t “go up” in value. But instead require constant outlays just to keep ahead of natural depreciation.
WRT a wall, you have the additional problem of human (or more universally, living thing..) ingenuity finding ways to work around whatever new impediments the wall put in place. So, you end up having to constantly “upgrade” the wall. Look at the Gaza one for an example. It certainly “works” to some extent, but only by constantly being repaired and upgraded. At huge constant outlays.
I love when the government gets shut down, but I hate when they pay the bureaucrats anyway for the time off.
US taxpayers basically paid for the Wall that Israel built with the billions we give them, and the dummycrats had no problem with that. An Israeli mayor was on Fox the other day and he said their wall did everything it was intended to do. The dummycrats talk double-speak when they say they want border security but no wall.
I didn’t vote in the poll; I have no idea how it will end up.
If you love the government being shut down you must LOVE higher taxes. Each long shut down costs billions of dollars. 100’s if not thousands of cancelled flights and extra hotel costs for things that must be re-scheduled. Contracts that must be re-negotiated, the costs to the tax payer go on and on. If congress and the president are unable to do the job they were sent for (pass a budget) they should all be thrown out.
Shutting government down costs nothing, if shutting down means shutting down. Of course, like all else in Dystopia, “government shutdown” is just newspeak. Has nothing to do with shutting down anything. But is instead just another hobgoblin to scare the indoctrinated children into handing over more money and freedoms over.
Give me arbitrary discretion over shutting down government the proper way, and I can guarantee you it won’t cost much of anything.
They’ve never shut down ATC during a government shutdown. It is ALWAYS non-essential functions like National Parks and BLM field offices.
The shutdown could go on a very very long time. Trump has nothing to lose really. I think the compromise should be that the dreamers pay for the wall in exchange for permanent resident visas. $2k a pop should do it, and most of them are in fact Mexicans.
Jl1 – Your comment is cryptic. I do not know what you mean. Email me or explain better.
For some reason quite a long detailed comment posted but then disappeared 30 seconds later.
Does your comment system have some filter run by moneymaven?
Mish your comment system is disappearing comments when calling politicians b-l-i-t-h-e-r-i-n-g and i-d-i-o-t-s.
Please fix.
blithering idiots
Well, if obama can fly billions to Iran by his own personal agreement, I am sure congress can cough up a few billion for a wall to keep out criminal illegal invaders.
If not – DJT should just make up some immigration laws. Call it DACAII – Detain, Arrest, Cage and Arrange (for deportation). Oh wait – THAT IS ALREADY THE LAW.
The money that went to Iran belonged to Iran, frozen in US banks since 1979.