Shockingly Possible Trump Costs Republicans the House, Democrats Need 16 of Last 22 Seats

Live Election Updates

Let’s tune into the 538 Live Update for the most important points. 

538 Senate Update

  • In Arizona, Kelly leads Masters 52 percent to 46 percent (a margin of 115,073 votes). As we wrote earlier, this race looks very good for Democrats.
  • In Nevada, Laxalt leads Cortez Masto 49 percent to 48 percent (a margin of 8,988 votes). Cortez Masto should take the lead here as more mail ballots are counted. If Democrats win both Arizona and Nevada, they will retain control of the Senate regardless of what happens in Georgia’s Dec. 6 runoff.

I commented yesterday that it appeared all over for Laxalt. 

Dave Wasserman of Cook Political analysis made the Arizona call yesterday. 

Wasserman on the House

Wasserman and Nate Cohn on Abortion

Wasserman on Nevada Senate

It’s important to note Wasserman’s disclaimer “As has always been the case, the personal judgments offered by this account regarding election results are not official race ‘calls’ and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Cook Political Report, NBC News or any other entity.”

With that, let’s return to the 538 House discussion.

538 House Update Comments – Emphasis Mine

  • ABC News estimates that Republicans will win at least 211 seats and Democrats will win at least 204. There are 22 districts that could still go either way.
  • Democrats must win 16 of the 22 unprojected Democrat-versus-Republican races to keep their House majority. They currently lead in just 12.
  • The most surprising results for me are in Colorado’s 3rd District and Washington’s 3rd District. In the former, Republican Rep. Lauren Boebert may hold on, but she’s up by only 0.3 percentage points over Democrat Adam Frisch. And in the latter, Democrat Marie Gluesenkamp Perez leads Republican Joe Kent by 2.3 points, with 83 percent of the expected vote reporting. Now, both of the GOP candidates in these districts are flawed — both are big Trump backers, Boebert has made a litany of controversial statements and Kent defeated Republican Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler in the primary after she’d voted to impeach Trump. But Colorado’s 3rd District is an R+14 seat, so the idea that it could be decided by less than 1 point is wild. And Washington’s 3rd District is an R+9 seat, so the fact Gluesenkamp Perez might actually be in a position to pull this out is striking.
  • Boebert had a 97-in-100 chance of winning, and Kent had a 98-in-100 chance. But these are both races where we got precious little polling, so our forecast was mostly based on the “fundamentals” — which relies heavily on those partisan lean stats you mentioned. But candidate quality seems to have made a big difference here — as it did in many Senate and gubernatorial races — since Boebert and Kent are particularly extreme.
  • The fact that we saw a similar upset in Ohio’s 1st District makes me think there is something statewide happening, too, Amelia. Though Tim Ryan — who left the 13th District open when he decided to run for Senate — lost his race to J.D. Vance, having a big name in a major race at the top of the ticket may have had some trickle-down effect for Democrats in these races. 

ABC Races Still Uncalled (Yellow Highlights Mine)

The margins in my 7 highlighted races seem to be enough to hold, but it’s very uncertain. Republicans are ahead in 3 other races that easily may not hold up.

If Republicans win all seven of my highlights and lose the rest, the grand total would look be 218 to 217. 

Sheeesh. 

Note how badly Sarah Palin is getting blown away in Alaska by over 20 points. Take a look at her message. 

Sarah Palin Says Stop Donating to the GOP

The Independent reports Sarah Palin tells supporters to stop donating to the GOP: ‘They opposed me every step of the way’

Sarah Palin has gone nuclear on the Republican Party, claiming the GOP sabotaged her Alaska House race and that they deserved their drubbing in the midterms.

Trump Goes Nuclear on DeSantis

Politico reports Trump Goes to War Against DeSantis

Former President Donald Trump publicly attacked Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, releasing a rambling statement Thursday blasting the governor he helped make but who is now his chief rival to lead the Republican Party.

Just days before he’ll likely announce he’s running for president, Trump took credit for DeSantis’ success after endorsing him in 2018, belittled him as “average” and accused “Ron DeSanctimonious” of playing games by not announcing his 2024 presidential ambitions.

Were it not for DeSantis and the 3 seats he gerrymandered for Republicans in Florida I would be typing right now that the Democrats won the House. 

Take those 3 DeSantis-delivered seats away and it would be 208-207 with Democrats leading in 12 of them. 

House Hero Mike Lawler

A shocking House hero is Mike Lawler, the New York Republican who unseated the Democratic campaign chair.

I would like to see the party move forward. I think any time you are focused on the future, you can’t so much go to the past,” Lawler says.

Had Lawler been a “stop the steal” loyalist that flip never would have happened. His victory over a Democratic campaign chair in this election environment is more than a bit amazing. 

Abandon Ship 

Republicans desperately need to abandon Trump. His vindictive politics cost Republicans the Senate. 

And as shocking as it may seem, Trump may have cost Republicans the House as well.

Biggest Loser of the Night Donald Trump, Biggest Winner Ron DeSantis

On election eve I commented Biggest Loser of the Night Donald Trump, Biggest Winner Ron DeSantis

House projections are far worse now for Republicans than anyone might have expected.

One thing has changed since the election. No one has accused me of TDS this time for blasting Trump.

Big Announcement 

The Wall Street Journal reports Trump’s ‘Very Big Announcement’ Still on Track—For Now

Mr. Trump on Wednesday was fundraising off what he has promised would be a “very big announcement,” hyping it as “perhaps … the most important speech given in the history of the United States of America.”

Listen to this clown [pick your own better word or phrase], regarding the “most important speech given in the history of the United States of America.”

The sad thing is he likely believes it. Anyone else who does is more than a bit deranged. 

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ASYusoff
ASYusoff
3 years ago
Won’t be too long before the spineless congressmen who try to please Trump at every turn desert him. Then show how they, bravely, `had opposed him’. Fortunately we have the internet with its record of what they had said and did.
These results are good for USA the country. They show more people are tired of the extremely severe partisanship of “Either/Or” and want representatives who can negotiate with one another for the greater good.
Raj Kumar
Raj Kumar
3 years ago
Reply to  ASYusoff
I agree these mid terms have been very good for the US.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
3 years ago
the real big news is what kind of money laundering were the democrats doing with FTX, Ukraine and the second largest donor SBF….the ties to Clinton via Wu, Gensler via CEO of Alhambra, SBF radical liberal parents. That fraud democrat money front acting as a crypto company was so massive, somehow BK waiting until day after elections….The real story is how much funny election donation laundering was involved here….
This is fraud is so massive, no way it should not have been rooted out a month before election. SBF is going straight to hell it seems
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
This can only mean one thing, Congress needs to reinvestigate Benghazi and look for the porn on Hunter’s laptop, this will surely prove that crypto has been used to fund a Democrat cannibalistic pedophile cabal responsible for rigging any election a Republican loses.
The truth is out there.
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JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
Does anyone but me think it’s odd that the remaining congressional districts that are likely going to Republicans, are essentially the only ones left, and not being counted?
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
These are Republican districts that it appears are being held up by hand counting red tape, some counties have been court ordered to stop.
Eclipster
Eclipster
3 years ago
What is shocking is that we are still counting votes 5 days after the election.
Billy
Billy
3 years ago
For the safety of our country everyone’s votes should be public for the ability of an audit.
FoulPlay
FoulPlay
3 years ago
Mitch possibly cost us the house and the senate. Mitch withdrew financial support from anyone endorsed by Trump. Mitch McConnell is responsible for the failure in possibly losing the Senate and House. One of several case in points, even though Zeldin lost, was responsible for gaining 4 or 5 house seats and was trump endorsed.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  FoulPlay
Right, it wasn’t Buckner that cost the Sox the ’86 World Series, it was the rest of the team for not running over to catch it for him.
FoulPlay
FoulPlay
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Im not sure what you are trying to say so, I’ll stick to the topic. Mitch withdrew financial support from candidates that were endorsed by Trump. That’s not to say that they were like Trump, they carried some goals like him but not trumpians. Mitch McConnell went as far to deliver monies taken from these candidates and gave $8 million to an Alaskan candidate who was up against another republican. The money that was rescinded from the candidates in Nevada and Arizona have lost their bid for the Senate, ultimately giving the Senate to Democrat control as of a few hours ago. The House is now close to being retained by the Democrats with 25 seats still open, the democrats only need 16 of those seats to retain control…………Thanks to Mitch McConnell.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  FoulPlay
Right, it’s not Trump’s failing, can’t be.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Trump had to deal with a 4 year coup against him as well as a corrupt election in 2020. The Republican Party establishment elitists wanted rid of him as well. The party game is rigged. They shut Sanders out, twice. Goldman Sachs said JEB and Hillary were acceptable to them in 2016. We are supposed to vote for who the elitists pick to be the candidates, as they are members of the club.
Klaus Schwab has placed a number of his “Young Leaders” squad, into high positions in government. “Build Back Better.” Biden, Johnson, Trudeau, used the slogan. It isn’t a coincidence.
oee
oee
3 years ago
Reply to  FoulPlay
It the Rethugs who lost the elections. Learn to take personal responsibility for your own actions. You guys made a deal with the Devil now he is collecting.
To think the American people would hand over the keys to governing to a party who killed 1 Million due to Covid 19 mis-management is a laughable proposition.
Long Live President Biden in 2024 and Vice-President Harris in 2028 and Dems forever and ever.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  FoulPlay
A fanboi making excuses is an ugly sight.
OUdaveguy
OUdaveguy
3 years ago
Reply to  FoulPlay
Exactly. Establishment Republicans stupidly sabotaged their own party to avoid dealing with their grassroots support. Unforgivable. Don’t expect my support in 2024.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  FoulPlay
It sounds like Republican on Republican crime is the new taboo that no one wants to talk about. Those republicans are brutal, no respect for the law.
OUdaveguy
OUdaveguy
3 years ago
Boebert’s district was significantly redrawn after the latest census; you can’t use her last election for comparison or as a baseline. Is this Trump’s loss or McConnell’s since McConnell chose not to fund the MAGA Republicans?
Reminder that MAGA Republicans are the grassroots of the party. The RNC leadership being openly hostile to its grassroots is the real issue; not Trump.
I’m not inclined to support Republicans the next go around since they’d rather have Democrats with them in DC, instead of their own party. They intentionally chose defeat so they wouldn’t have to share power in their party with regular citizens; truly unforgivable….
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  OUdaveguy
The WEF is not composed of grass roots people.
FoulPlay
FoulPlay
3 years ago
Reply to  OUdaveguy
Exactly!! ……Hear!! Hear!!!
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  OUdaveguy
The republicans bet on stupid and angry, and lost.
OUdaveguy
OUdaveguy
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
No. Republican leadership sabotaged their own grassroots support.
Greggg
Greggg
3 years ago
Next year will be entertaining. Looking forward to Fetterman attempting a filibuster, and maybe Jill Biden arranges a few play dates at the White House with Fetterman and Joe… It will be a grand time for the next 2 years.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
“Were it not for DeSantis and the 3 seats he gerrymandered for Republicans in Florida I would be typing right now that the Democrats won the House.”
OMG? So there was zero democrat favored gerrymandering that occurred in the last two years? Really?
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
We’re in the mid-terms with a geriatric somnescent Dem president that even Dems have doubts about, the GOP should have swept….one district was won by a stroke victim that can barely speak over a famous well versed TV Doc in his prime.
It’s time to wake up, stop making excuses and see reality.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Reality is that the U.S. is a corrupt, declining empire.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Agreed.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Love it or leave it, commie.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
It’s hard to sweep stolen elections. That’s reality. Deal with it, bro!
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
I never said that – stop being an idiot.
My statement is 100% accurate
Also New York’s botched attempt at Gerrymandering was struck down by the courts and that enabled Republicans to pick up seats.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Gerrymandering has a LONG tradition in both parties. Why don’t you spend 1/2 as much time trying to expose all the ways big tech, the liberal media and big government are ALL colluding to disenfranchise conservative voters. LET’S BE 100% CLEAR, MISH! THIS IS HAPPENING AT A MUCH GREATER SCALE THAN ANY SORT OF NET RESULT OF DEM VS GOP GERRYMANDERING IN ANY GIVEN ELECTION. Gerrymandering isn’t going to bring about the downfall of America, but what we ALL know is really happening will be looked back on in history as a big part of the root cause of some future culture war that morphs into civil war.
Here’s just a snippet of an equally compelling case against your supposed 100% accurate BS.
An Atlantic opinion piece, titled, “The Democratic Party’s Broccoli Politics,” suggested Florida Democrats lost due to having less appealing policies and a “Latino problem.” That’s from the Atlantic, BRO! The freaking Atlantic!!!
However, the DeSantis Administration appealed that decision and a federal appeals court reinstated the congressional map “pending the court’s disposition of the motion for review of the trial court’s vacatur of the automatic stay.” So unlike the NYC case that WAS found unconstitutional, the current level of review by the courts have found no such situation in FLA USA.

The map DeSantis signed eliminates two districts, District 5 and District 10, that are drawn in favor of a minority black population to elect a Democrat in their respective districts. The Governor’s executive chief of staff said District 10 in Orange County does not have a significant amount of minorities to elect a candidate of their choice. That district is 26% black.

JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
With these “delayed” vote counts, the capacity for fraud is immense. Now that record of who has voted is all electronic, it is feasible to identify voters who were registered to vote but did not cast a ballot, and then “generate” ballots for those people during the delay. I belive votes used to be counted within 72 hours for just this reason, although now with electronic records, it would take much less than 72 hours to identify potential “generated” ballots.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
Show evidence of fraud, or shut your fool mouth.
kyronnex
kyronnex
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Zardoz, you cannot reason people out of positions they didn’t reason themselves into. Asking them for evidence, when they didn’t use evidence in the first place to arrive at said conclusion, is a futile exercise …….
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
It’s interesting that the vote counting is “paused” in the districts where it looks like Republicans have a chance of winning, all of those districts being in highly Democratic states. My wife says they are probably using the extra time to “find” votes, wink wink. (Oh, look! There’s this suitcase of ballots under this desk that must have been misplaced!)
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
I am especially pissed about the Porter – Baugh race in the densly urban district in California where I live, where only 67% of the vote has been counted as of this writing. Meanwhile, rural Arkansas is completely counted. Porter got the second biggest Democratic funding support in the country, as I understand it.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
It’s become the “usual”, for groups (Republican) to pass on election fraud “rumor”, pass it through the internet social network echo chamber with a little Russian help, add group-think, then you have a group of beer belly buffoons, believing the rumor as “fact” smashing down doors at the capitol.
The world thinks we’re idiots now.
Maybe you don’t remember the RNC’s self “autopsy” back in 2012 after Romney lost.
Major political news outlets on both sides have been warning Republicans for years of the rapidly changing demographics in America and the GOP’s need to change course.
In response – Republican’s gave us Trump – “If you’re rich, they let you do it”, “I didn’t rape her, she’s too ugly”, “Stand back, stand by”, “Inject bleach”, “There’s good and bad on both sides” and Kim Jong-Un “We’re in love!”.
I’m actually bewildered Georgia is blue this soon, this wasn’t expected for years, so by all means, keep blaming “rigged elections”, ignore reality, we’ll be full blown Nanny-state Socialist and you’ll just keep resorting to conspiracy theories for solace, rather than see the need to moderate.
Oh, and don’t forget to call me a “libtard” for saying what you don’t want to hear, that’ll surely encourage an independent like me to vote R.
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RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
“I’m actually bewildered Georgia is blue this soon,
this wasn’t expected for years, so by all means, keep blaming “rigged
elections”,”
it was Abrams that was claiming voter suppression, with more people voting than in the previous election.
The 2020 election was corrupt. Google/Facebook/Twitter/FBI/Intelligence officials/MSM, etc., interfered in our election.
Democracy dies in election interference.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Georgia isn’t Blue
Look at the size of Kemp’s win.
This is Trump’s doing
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Interesting headline, speaking of: “How Brian Kemp took on Trump and created a blueprint for the GOP”
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
I live in North Atlanta, and GA VERY MUCH IS PURPLE. The number of liberal, northern transplants is absolutely stunning. Kemp’s win had everything to do with his effectiveness ANDDDDDDDD Stacey Abrams being the one person on earth less electable than Donald Trump.
My Gawd! And you call ME the idiot.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
lots of historical precedent for a state to be D, or if you like Blue cheerleader skirts, at the federal level senators, and the governor, at only the state level authority, to be R, or if you like Red cheerleader skirts. GA is BLUE in DC, where the bacon is cooked.
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Exactly. Anyone who says suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story didn’t affect the number of votes cast in some districts isn’t being honest.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
It’s not suppressed.. you kooks have been shrieking about it for over a year. People know you as the boy who cried wolf though, and even if something comes of the investigation, people will think it’s just the kooks saying kooky things.
Such is the price of disseminating BS.
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The FBI suppressed the release of information until after the election? How is that not a problem?
Kick'n
Kick’n
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Was the 2020 election corrupt, or was it corrupted? All elections are corrupted by misinformation, lies, half-truths, etc. You should see the stuff Jefferson and Adams had printed about the other. Did Russia “interfere”? Of course. So did China, nefarious state actors, and probably a few a kids on twitter and FB. Corrupt? Highly unlikely. It’s been 2 years and no credible evidence yet. Any idea on the odds of keeping such a massive conspiracy secret? Including multiple independently run state elections? Astronomical. Why is this year’s tally taking so long? Maybe it was the new election laws enacted by the R’s? Some counties in NV insisted on paper ballots and hand counting only. This is what you get when you want to ensure a fair election. I’m fine with it. We could all use a dose of Election Day reality where results aren’t always going to be instantly known. With this election cycle as hot as it was a good cooling off period is not a bad thing…
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Kick’n
You. Have. No. Evidence.
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
If you and others don’t see the *potential* for fraud here, then we *are* idiots.
Kick'n
Kick’n
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD

Like you say R’s aren’t courting a diverse electorate. Instead of helping minorities they just try to make it harder for them to vote. This site shows how blacks have moved further away from the R’s since Lincoln. It was a lot different many years ago. If the R’s could recapture just 5% they would easily win many more elections.

MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Kick’n
You’re right, the Republican party went to hell when LBJ signed off on civil rights and the Dixiecrats went to them.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
“It’s interesting that the vote counting is “paused” in the districts where it looks like Republicans have a chance of winning…”
That’s tantamount to saying “Stop yelling coach, the other team cheated by playing better”
Those districts are ALWAYS slow to count.
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JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
You are dead wrong, sir. Go back three decades and look.
Base Camp 710
Base Camp 710
3 years ago
I guess this is one for the history books, folks. A popular former president costing his political party.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Base Camp 710
If you mean popular with less than half of the republican party.
From Forbes –
“The poll, conducted before Tuesday’s midterms from November 2-7, found 48% of potential Republican primary voters would support Trump if the primaries were held today, versus 26% who’d back DeSantis and 26% who want to vote for someone else.”https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/11/10/less-than-half-of-republican-voters-would-back-trump-in-2024-primary-poll-finds/?sh=4ec7f1c97a0f
Republicans are losing moderate/independent voters, Trump filled that vacuum briefly, then opened his mouth non-stop for 4 years and lost even more of them than he gained.
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FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
How in the world can the Mid terms be fairly won by a party whose president ‘enjoys’ a , most likely overstated, 35% approval rating within the context of a deteriorating economy and a historically, never seen before, dangerous 100% US provoked geopolitical turmoil ? I always had my doubts , now I know for sure : at least 50% of Americans are smug, ignorant , brainwashed idiots !
BWise
BWise
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Because the Republican party has an ex-president that is hugely disiked as a person and is super devisive. A Supreme Court that made an abortion decision that was totally unnecessary and turned the election in the Dems favor. Republican lawmakers stating what they were going to change and who they were going to take down without a single vote cast. Alaska could have been won by either Republican party candidate, but they lost because they took half of the votes away from the other, allowing the Democrat to win easily. Your last line is pretty close to accurate, except for the percentage being way too low.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  BWise
Exactly, and instead of whining or crying “rigged elections”, Republicans need to step back and reflect, as they were supposed to back in the 2012 GOP autopsy that warned this was coming.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Comrade! You are urgently needed at the front! You are afraid to fight for glorious Soviet Union?
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Hi Mish.
Appreciate the horse race post-mortem. It’s a sham, no offense intended to the actual Sham.
In 2015/2016 Trump served as the little yapping dog pulling the curtain back; no more, no less.
Are McConnell, Romney, Graham of the same party as Paul, Massie and Johnson?
The sooner the status quo collapses on this absurd theater, the better.
Towards the end of the Book of Genesis: “will You spare the city for the sake of 10 righteousness men?” Spoiler alert: There’re weren’t 10, so Sodom was destroyed.
Oh, ‘I hope nobody little gets hurt’ by the crypto-crap collapse (that’s a joke, son!) another money laundering operation writ large.
Irondoor
Irondoor
3 years ago
What do I want? Competence in government. And the only place I can seem to find some of it is in my local town and county here in Montana. As long as the Federal Reserve exists solely as an arm of the Congress/Treasury as a funding machine with unlimited authority to print dollars out of thin air, we’ll never have it on a national scale.
That the dollar exists as a reserve currency is only due to the fact that the rest of the world is led by even worse corruptible politicians and dictators. It will last a while longer, but not forever. And it doesn’t matter whether the Democrats or Republicans are in power, as the corruption and deficits will go on. Until they can’t.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
How can voting mechanics be stuttering in exactly the same jurisdictions as last time?
Is the US a democracy in any meaningful sense? Beside the bought & sold red/blue team kabuki and fully integrated lobbyists & bankers?
Are Americans honest, or are they generally prevaricators, exaggeraters, self-servingly deceitful, ulterior agenda in the shadows at any utterance?
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Because voting laws are the same in those jurisdictions. It was funny hearing the Republican Maricopa County election official Bill Gates tell Republicans that votes will be counted because of laws and rules of Maricopa county.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Which brings the question why do those jurisdictions have laws that make counting votes much longer than the other jurisdictions? Frankly even if the votes are counted correctly the fact that it takes so long makes it look fishy to jurisdictions who can do the same thing in one day. Even if it is only perception it just looks bad and feeds the idea that the elections are not fair when they most probably are.
Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
3 years ago
Gen X broke 2-1 for Democrats. This will not go away with Trump.
The younger generations are far more diverse than the outgoing Boomers. They don’t want nativist, reactionary government.
Without the MAGA base, Republicans don’t have the votes to win national elections. They are demographically obsolete.
Mish, you should send Nate Silver a card thanking him for his quality forecast.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Cataldi
Exactly. It is no longer “follow the money” it is “follow the demographics” and it’s not just Gen X. Millenials are larger than boomers at this point and boomers will continue to dwindle. And behind the Millenials are the zoomers most of which soundly reject boomer culture/religion/philosophy. A prudent investor would be thinking about how to maximize profits in this new environment.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Cataldi
GenX loves crypto also and now experience is teaching them. More experience will teach them about Democrats.
Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Nobody gives a hoot about crypto, not on an electoral scale.
This generation came to political consciousness on Jan 6th, 2021. They followed up watching the Supreme Court take away their reproductive rights. They watched classmates die to assault rifle attacks, while Republicans and the NRA stood on watching. They watched people with marginalized sexual identities get demonized. They watched a party pretend that climate change wasn’t real, and happening all around us, cynically because most of that party’s supporters will be dead before the real trouble sets in. It will take a lot to undo those impressions. Nothing the Democrats have done lately comes remotely close. In fact, the Democrats have been on the right side of all these issues, which is why they chose them 2-1 over the instigators.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Cataldi
Most people when young vote Democrat. When I was young in the 70’s we all voted Democrat. Ten years later we started switching parties. Today is no different even if you feel it is.
BernankeAirdrop
BernankeAirdrop
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
You boomers are hopeless, the Democrats have nakedly imported a new electorate who by and large will never agree with a party that promises fewer handouts or won’t let all their relatives in the country. The US of 50 years ago is literally a different country.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
We boomers imported an electorate that is decidedly much less woke than than you are. You are the fringe. They are not.
Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Except for generational size and the intensity of their vote & turnout… And their racial makeup… Yeah it’s different… out of party power just lost the midterm… that’s historically different! But I’m happy to hear right wingers in denial about it, because it means they’re not adjusting, and will continue losing.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
that old trope was never true.
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Cataldi

I agree with everything you state.

They should all move to Chicago.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“GenX loves crypto” – I think you meant Gen Z..?
I’m Gen X, over 50
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
You are right, my mistake. I meant Gen Z. Thanks.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Cataldi
“Gen X broke 2-1 for Democrats. This will not go away with Trump.”
Ron, the events you mention affected me as well (I’m no spring chicken). Decades of “thoughts and prayers”, the blind rage and aimless contempt of the tea party as well as the newer Trumpster iteration.
The possibility of a GOP majority at the same time Trump threatens to run in 2024 was the sole reason I voted, and yes, I pinched my nose and voted D, my district is one of the tight races.
I came of age under Reagan, back when conservatives weren’t angry bombastic knee-jerk fools.
Modern decent conservatives like McCain, Romney or Flake have been drummed out, labeled “RINO” and ostracized.
Trump has “ruined the neighborhood” even further, pushing out decent humans and replacing them with the Walkers of the world.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
McCain loved the spotlight almost as much as Trump but was able to mostly control his mouth unlike idiot Trump. He reveled in the maverick label.
Romney is decent? He’s probably the most fake republican I can think of. He’s already calling for the GOP to look past ALL investigations. Really, Mitch? If the GOP is actually able to get to 218 with all the likely “election fraud” occurring, what are they going to do? You’re not going to get any legislation past Biden. And IS HE REALLY that uninterested in investigating the border fiasco and Hunter & Joe Biden being owned by the Chinese?
And don’t get me started on Flake. That guy is almost as bad as Romney.
Are you kidding, MarkraD? That’s patently absurd to put these in any sort of positive light in terms of their conservative bona fide.
The future of the Republican party are well-minded people who have discipline and are willing to fight back against the liberal agenda. They’re not reaching across aisles so neither should we.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Then, please do, continue supporting Trump, I said what the solution is.
Angry, misogynist, pro low-taxes-on-the-wealthy-while-complaining-about-the-debt guys bent on labelling all others as “socialist” seems to be losing it’s appeal.
Romney would destroy Biden in a New York minute in 2024, provided he can avoid the “48 percent” perception from 2012, but you insist on conveniently believing the Trump thing can work, then by all means, “please proceed”.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
You obviously can’t read. My relevant quote: “unlike idiot Trump”.
My Trump litmus test was border wall and ending foreign wars. He succeeded at the later but failed at the former. Not in any way a Trump fan.
In all of my posts on this thread, I have trashed Trump for the true idiot that he is. Apparently, you are devoid of any reading ability or real intelligence.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
” Apparently, you are devoid of any reading ability or real intelligence.”
Apparently you’re eager to insult rather than listen, nit wit.
Romney or any moderate Republican that can go a minute without insulting anything left of a Trumptard is the only shot Republican’s have at a presidency, nitwit, DeSantis has tapped the angry Trumptard train, he won’t win enough independents or moderates.
You’re still barking up the extremist tree, which leaves you Trump or someone like Trump, which is exactly why Republicans are where they are today.
Good luck with Trump, nit wit.
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worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Like I said, DeSantis is going to clean the clock of ANYONE your dems put up. Like destroy!
Oh really? I’m sure all your liberal rants here point to your being a centrist.
Haha! No chance. And since when was Nit Wit not an attempt to insult. Nice job taking the RINO Romney high road. ROTFLMAO!
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Knowing the problem is half the solution and you are oblivious.
This – “Oh really? I’m sure all your liberal rants here point to your being a centrist.” – Clearly displays you don’t know the problem.
Angry insults, name calling and labelling anyone who’s not completely aboard your agenda as “liberal”.
I don’t know any Dems who accuse me of being Fascist when I complain about excess social entitlement spending, big government bureaucracy or political correctness/woke.
Your problem with Trump is that he didn’t get the wall done and his foreign policy flopped, that’s it he wasn’t “Trump” enough, you see no other problem.
That is why I voted D this week, that is why D’s won the Senate and may well take the house too.
For you, voting is an act of rage, the rest of us vote to get away from that rage.
But go ahead, call me a “Liberal”, that’ll swing me, that’ll change my mind.
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vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Flake was an idiot who voted FOR iraq war. he was never a fiscal conservative. he was a penny wise, dollar fool.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
MAGA are the opposite of conservatives. they are large tariff taxing radicals……….with a huge dollop of cult of idiot idealizing a con man and moron and huckster actor who wears a wig and makeup……….
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Cataldi
You have any links for this?
Recent voting trends over the last decade say that married people vote Republican and single/divorced people, ESPECIALLY single/divorced women are voting Democrat. Here’s an article on the 2020 election.
Plenty of others you can find by googling for voting by marital status.
Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Married people are far more likely to be older. Even if it wasn’t that simple, the fact that marriage rates are declining would just point to another weakening demographic trend for (R).
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Cataldi
His forecast was essentially the same as mine. We just disagreed on percentages for a few states
Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Hmm… if it bothers you admitting that Silver did OK, maybe we could just agree that Michael Moore called it pretty well.
Jmurr
Jmurr
3 years ago
The problem is looking to Washington for the solution of any problem. Solutions can only be found at the local level. I think it is time to do away with the federal level of government. Let the 50 states be independent countries (or better yet 500 independent republics).
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
Even better, let cities become their own states and not provide any tax revenue to the rural leeches. Win-win.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
50 nations at war, I can see it now.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
No way, I travel from big city to big city and we’re all one big happy family. We love profits too much to hate each other.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Till the rural areas start charging the cities for food, water, energy, manufactured goods, transport rights and just about everything else. The city-states would have to take control of their hinterlands to survive and means military force first to take over the hinterland and then to protect it against other city-states. It would be like Medieval and Rennaissance Italy. Here come the new Borgias.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
idiotic. just cut off the SS and medicare scooters and pharmaceuticals and doctors and dentists and automobiles and internet…………..i’m glad you ain’t a general. you’d kill your kin with your pax dumbphuckistan PHD.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
delete – posted reply to wrong person.
El_Tedo
El_Tedo
3 years ago
Cultural contempt is the real reason the country is spiraling towards civil war and break. Labeling people as ‘election deniers, climate deniers, anti-vaxxers, and censoring them rather than addressing their arguments and refuting them respectfully, is not going to end well for the RINOs. When people to the right of you stay home on election day and actually root for a left wing outcome to hasten the collapse of the country, you’ll have no one to blame but yourselves (but, you won’t).
Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
3 years ago
Reply to  El_Tedo
You lost a few elections and instead of learning from it, you turn on the country. That’s the real reason, none of what you said here in your sad list of grievances and victimhood.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Cataldi
and that after the right writ large has labeled the left the people who hate America. Come on El_Tedo, do you need a hug? You’ll get over the electoral L. If we are going to make the US what we want it to be, blue and red must row in the same direction. Your attitude will only hasten the collapse you allege is so far down the road.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
The problem is no one agrees on what they want the US to be. Otherwise we’d all be rowing in the same direction.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I am glad that we do not have one idea of what the US should be.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
it’s always been a confederation of 50 states. it’s fraying and states gaining more control and doing more nullification. hell, CA told the DEA to phuck off 25 years ago with their allowing WEED sales. even kept the patient list away from the redneck senators of other states who are bootlickers to DEA………..prediciton. more of the same. fraying into 50 state solution with a thin central feds. us navy, highways and courts…………..
FoulPlay
FoulPlay
3 years ago
Rubbish, I will never concede to being censored, tracked down and labeled as if criminals for being conservative and having an opinion, and losing other rights guaranteed in our constitution. However, the elections are going in favor of the liberal and socialist (perhaps marxist) direction as the republicans just lost the Senate and is close to losing the house as well. I will concede that, giving it was a vote by the people. I do fear America will be lost forever if the house falls to the democrats. A one party government is never good, I dont care how whiney you liberal get.
El_Tedo
El_Tedo
3 years ago
Message received, RINOs. Establishment Republicans would rather be a permanent minority than listen to their base. Good luck winning in 2024 without the millions of Independents who will stay home rather than vote vote for the lesser of two evils establishment candidates.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
3 years ago
Reply to  El_Tedo
In 2016 I said if Trump won, he would end up destroying the GOP, which is now known as two factions, the MAGA Republicans and the sane republicans, two groups ready to rock fight each other before fighting the left in earnest.
It’s a national tragedy Trump also so heavily damaged the nation on his path to disemboweling the GOP.
BernankeAirdrop
BernankeAirdrop
3 years ago
The ‘sane’ Republicans who never conserved anything. Enjoy drag queen story hour!
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
you mean the MAGA, Rs, and the frightened Rs who were clutching pearls all afraid of the big scary libruuuuuul actor from NYC.
Mary
Mary
3 years ago
Let’s not forget Lindsey Graham insisting on making abortion a federal issue once again and Mitch McConnell behaving like a true spineless worm bowing down to Biden and Schumer. Mitch was first in line on Inauguration Day to congratulate Biden and helped Mitch pass recent bills through the senate. It seems the republicans were hoodwinked by Manchin too. Manchin was, is and shall be a democrat. We need a viable multi party system and not one made up of yesterday’s generation led by another old man. Enough with this octogenarian government.
Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
3 years ago
Reply to  Mary
Trump’s crazy court picks made abortion a national issue, full stop. You’re like the dog that caught a car.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Cataldi
exactly. it’s fun watching a major wing of the uniparty bust up. lots of historical precedence.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Well, fortunately for Republicans like myself, Trump is well on his way to continuing to embarrass himself in the coming months that will make it easier for DeSantis to send him to the dustbin of his political career. Once this is done, all we’ll have to suffer through is his ranting and raving tell-all book. Good riddance!
Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Republican primary voters love Trump. They literally have stores here in my blue state that only sell Trump merchandise. Republicans fed the beast for years… now let it devour them. They loved it until they realized the broader American public will never go fascist. Nobody should ever trust a party that denied a free and fair election, and tried to take over the capitol.
Snarla Hazard
Snarla Hazard
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Cataldi
Oh yeah I saw one of those in The Lake of The Ozarks when we vacationed there last summer. We didn’t go in but bought ice cream next door and watched who did.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Cataldi
“Nobody should ever trust a party that denied a free and fair election, and tried to take over the capitol.”
Since 2018, Google has been using ephemeral ads to sway as much as 10% of the electorate. When state election officials expanded mail in voting outside of required legislative process, that was illegal. The $400M Zuck bucks created all sorts of opportunities for election fraud. Florida, the 3rd most Populus state in the nation, had their votes counted within 3 hours of polls closing. In Maricopa county Arizona, all mail in ballots are sent to a 3rd party for scanning before they’re counted. They’re the only county in the nation that does this.
I’m in no way a supporter of Trump, but the 2020 & 2022 elections were stolen for the reasons above and many others, but I do agree the demographics are on the dems side over the next 2-3 election cycles and beyond.
Feel free to ask Joe Biden to support replacing Section 230, federalizing elections in so far as requiring every state must follow the exact same procedures & using the same equipment in FLA, and let’s see how future elections turn out.
It’s hilarious how people make such a big deal out of Jan 6th. That small group of idiots who should be prosecuted had no more chance at overturning the election than Trump did as a big fat crybaby. There are dozens if not hundreds of persons being caught up the Jan 6th dragnet by Biden, Pelosi, Wray & Garland. The FBI, DOJ, ATF etc are all being turned into enemies of the state. What exactly did Trump do that was so facist? I don’t remember a single scandal under Trump where Congress, the FBI or the DOJ were so widely condemned for becoming so politized so as to go after political opponents.
Yes, we can all agree that Trump is an asshat, but to equate what’s going on under the Biden Regime vs Trumps administration as being republican fascism is absolutely crazy. All sorts of republicans have become real targets of hate by the left that simply didn’t happen under Trump.
Here’s one of the best most recent examples. On 8/24, Biden announces his illegal student loan EO that is largely based on the federal health emergency related to COVID. Then less than a month later on 9/19, he declares that the COVID pandemic is over in a 60 Minutes interview. He can’t have his cake and eat it too. Now, he’s declared the COVID national emergency has been extended until January 2023. And the extent to which the CDC, Fauci & the Biden administration have lied about COVID is just staggeringly mind boggling.
And, again, DeSantis will send Trump to the trash bin of political history. The good news for dems is they’ve retained Gubernatorial control in every liberally run city up for election this year. As such, the citizens of said cities now get to reap what they sow for another two years.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Cataldi
the cowards afraid of trump. after the insurrection attempt. too funny. no wonder our boys haven’t won a war in 75 years.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
The “Big Tent” approach of the Democrats has drawbacks.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Lots of people fear “one party rule” and that being the Democratic party but what will happen after Repubs dissolve into oblivion is the democratic party will split into at least 3 factions.
1. The Dem Green Party that will want the end to all fossil fuels and focus on environment.
2. The Dem Business Party that will cater to big businesses
3. The Dem Union Party that will cater to Unions and labor
If you think things through carefully, you will see that some of the factions will contradict each other. I expect “formerly known as republicans” to merge into #2 and #3 depending on their socio-economic status. Wealthy repubs will merge into #2, the poor ones will go #3.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
You are describing California today which is why many people still find and will continue to find reasons to vote Republican.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
One party rule would essentially make the US look a lot like Russia in that there may be elections but the result is already known with the only difference being that a new figurehead president would appear every 4 or 8 years. Corruption would be off the charts since it would be unchecked by another party.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Texas, we’ve already reached that point. The future is NOW.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Republicans “WILL TAKE THE HOUSE”!!!!
AZ will be a surprise result!!!!
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Fake news! Stop the steal! Immigrants! Transexuals in bathrooms!
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
ha ha ha. all the trannies here in nyc in the bathrooms scare the living hell out of me. i have been holding it in for weeks, now.
Billy
Billy
3 years ago
I’m not surprised at all. I know an intelligent woman who voted for Obama because he had nice abs.
I find that a high majority of people trust everything they hear and shame those who question it.
I don’t think Trust caused the Republicans to lose. I think the media caused the Dems to win.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Billy
If I question Fox news, do you shame me?
Billy
Billy
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Never.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Why would you question Fox News? That’s funny.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Fox, home of Hannity, Carlson, origins of “death panels” and “government takeovers”.
Yes, fair and unbiased.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Yes, and Fox News absolutely crushes everyone else combined.
Not a fan of Hannity. Would love to see a Tucker & Candace Owens or a Candace Ownes & Ben Shapiro run at the WH.
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Vlad can make it all a moot-point with a single well-placed hypersonic MIRV.
Flyover will be fine going back to life during the Taft Administration.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Avery
Flyover will be at each other’s throats a week after cable tv goes down.
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz

The Andy Griffin show is performed live each day. No pronouns.

PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
I will be glad when this election is over (in perhaps 3 weeks?). Whatever the result is, won’t matter much. Dems hold the Senate, Pubs squeak the house? Whatever.
Even after winning everything, neither party accomplishes much, as internal bickering stymies most legislation. With the house and senate split, even less will be accomplished.
I hope the Republicans dump Trump soon, and all his idiotic election denier cult members. What a Fn embarrassment. It gives our country a black eye and makes us a laughing stock to the world.
But, since I can’t do anything about it, I will instead focus on making a better life for myself. Another good day, week and year for oil and gas stocks. Regardless of who wins the election.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I’m certainly looking forward to Trump going, kicking & screaming into political oblivion.
But, there’s nothing wrong with being an election denier. Again, the moment states enshrined no question mail in voting outside of the legislative process, that was illegal and has leads to all sorts of illegal activity that’s very hard to prove.
So, I’ll just be up front. I like your posts. You’re a smart guy. But your choice not to vote in no way qualifies you to be an expert on election denying. So, you really need to stop stinging those two things together. Feel free to continue to extol the virtues of not voting and staying focused on making money versus doing your civic duty. There’s nothing wrong with either of those things. But, you’re minimizing an enormous amount of information that clearly shows there’s a major problem and it’s getting much worse.
Get rid of Section 230 & federalize elections so all states are required to follow the exact FLA model and we’d see entirely different results. The true extent to which the big tech, the liberal media & government forces are colluding to cheat in elections would be staggering if it all could be fully exposed. Google’s use of ephemeral ads / content & twitter’s portal allowing outside government agencies to drive misinformation censorship are just the tip of the iceberg.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
See above.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
I will be upfront as well.
“But there’s nothing wrong with being an election denier”.
Yes there is.
First, there is no widespread election fraud. If there was, it would have been proven in court over the last two years. But Trump and his lackeys could not provide even one example. Zero. Zip. Nada. Nothing but fake rumours and innuendo. You have to be willfully blind not to see that.
Second. It led to the Jan 6 insurrection. Where a bunch of traitors tried to overthrow a free and fair election.
Third. This rhetoric is poisoning our country. Its like a cancer we can’t control. And its threatening our democracy. And people like you are part of that cancer.
Fourth. Just because I don’t vote, doesn’t mean I don’t have an opinion. I just think its normally a waste of my time to bother trying to talk sense to an election denier or any of the other cult conspiracy crowd here. I am making a rare exception here because I believe you occasionally have something worthwhile to say.
Fifth. I agree that a federally controlled standardized election system that was universally applied and replaced all state and local election systems would be a better way to ensure our democracy was protected. However, good luck getting that implemented. In fact, I am quite sure that the election deniers would be the first to reject federal control of elections.
And finally. A free and fair federal election system would indeed provide different results. And based on demographic trends, the current Republican party would never win the White House, Senate, or House for a long time until they finally drop their conspiracy craziness and move back towards more traditional Republican values.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
No there’s not, because it’s happening all around us. Again, states moving to no contest mail in voting without legislative approval is illegal. Moreover, the right is fighting against an enormously coordinated apparatus of big tech, MSM media a deep state, so proving specific, silver bullet examples of cheating will be nearly impossible. The lack of a silver bullet doesn’t mean it’s not happening across a broad spectrum of avenues.
What’s killing American confidence in elections are these states that can’t get their crap together and provide election results by the following morning. That’s what’s shaking the system to its foundation. These issues are never going to get corrected, so whatever % of conservatives that make up the electorate in the future are forever marginalized and FORCED into being election deniers. We have no other choice.
And, yes, despite your doubts, the move towards socialism IS THE REAL CANCER. It’s completely antithetical to American exceptionalism. It has taken over secondary education and is now moving throughout K-12. Hell, WVU is getting ready to enshrine woke DEI principles that will force professors to become part of the groupthink, anti-meritocracy cult, and they haven’t even defined yet for the university what DEI means. Freaking West Virgina!!!
Like yourself, I would love to move to Canada, but they have their own problems. They’ve got Trudeau who’s quickly become the leader of the woke socialism movement.
And as a final comment, it’s SO FAR beyond comprehension that America is going along with this invasion from south of the border. Maybe everyone is right. The demographics have already changed enough that conservatives will never will another presidential election no matter how bad things get or how great their candidate’s platform is.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
And, I would go so far as to say this. As America moves more towards socialism every single year, your ability make money in free markets will become increasingly hard. At some point, you might actually find the need to vote in order to protect your investments value.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe

I highly doubt that. I am not worried about “socialism”. I am worried about our democracy. Whether I vote or not is irrelevant in a country with 330 million people. And if our democracy collapses, I will move. Probably Canada, but it could also be Australia, or New Zealand. Places where democracy still thrives. And places that are probably more socialist than we are. Playing the “socialism” is a fate worse than death line is a popular Republican strategy. Which is only going to push the party farther away from the middle ground they need to appeal to if they ever want to win another election.

worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Yes, of course, because Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, AOC, et al are rushing to the middle. Their agenda is to remake America on the lies of CRT and white supremacy dominates. That’s fact. Tucker Carlson is lampooned by the MSM for suggesting the dems are executing a great replacement strategy. That’s crazy! Why else would Biden let 10M illegals into the US in his first and only term? There’s absolutely no other reasonable reason he would do so. It’s just crazy talk, I tell you! Lies, lies, lies!
I’d say COVID did a pretty good job of testing the thriving democracy theory for Australia and New Zealand.
There are literally hundreds of thousands of illegals who have come into the US since Feb 2021 that are mostly dependent on the government. And this will only worsen. While we may get lucky and skirt a major recession next year, there’s a pretty good chance the band aid will get ripped off by 2025.
What exactly are all these millions of millions of unemployed illegal immigrants going to turn to once this happens? It’s an absolute powder keg waiting to happen. And what happens in 10 years once the move to automation of all sorts of jobs continues to steam roll? What happens during the next 10 years as the socialist movement causes all of these major dem cities to continue to decay and fall into chaos?
I agree. The socialism is a total red herring. Nothing to it at all. It’s going to lead us together leading to one big kumbaya festival.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
You have drunk too much of the kool aid. You are delusional. I thought you were worth responding to, but I was wrong. You are just another cult conspiracy kook who is not worth my time. I will now hit the ignore button on you. Have a nice life, if you can. But with all that baggage you drag around, I doubt it.
Sunriver
Sunriver
3 years ago
And the political machine continues on. The specifics of this election matter not. Libertarian beliefs have little or nothing to do with these two bad actors.
Fully expect continuous $2 trillion annual federal government debt going forward, increasing yoy.
Moneterism is and has been embraced by both political parties for decades. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security insolvency coming right up. How are these two bad actors going to solve those problems? Debt.
Nothing has or will change. I’ll keep voting for losers. I belive in the what the United States stands for, but I can’t support enslaving our children’s future with debt.
No way out.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
The Trump Titanic will sail on clobbering icebergs and elections…. bwhahahahaha.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Let’s meet back here in 2024 when DeSantis has resoundingly thumped Trump & then beats Newsom, Hillary, AOC, or even Kamala if by some unbelievable chance she’s still relevant.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
One of the symptoms of final stage TDS is blaming everything on President Trump. Mish should get himself into therapy ASAP.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
For we all know all Trump things are perfect, hallowed be his moobs.
PreCambrian
PreCambrian
3 years ago
I can live with Republican policy if they support election integrity. If Republicans feel that elections are stolen then provide some proof that holds up to a sane person and a court. I didn’t really like Bush’s policy but at least I felt that I was still in a country that at least thought that they had the best interests of the country at heart. I am not going to support any candidate including a Democrat that doesn’t try to preserve election integrity because I will never be able to vote them out if they are elected.
bowwow
bowwow
3 years ago

By now anything undecided about abandoning Trump is a republican party problem. They either need the financial support from Trump backers, or they’re too unorganized, or both. You can’t be tolerating a loose mouth that jeopardizes elections, especially when races are expected to be close.

The way I see it, republicans do well and can pick-up a few seats in states that are business friendly, and where most of the areas allow residents to enjoy a relatively low cost of living. Texas, Florida and Indiana are examples. Democrats do well and can pick-up a few seats in states that aren’t business friendly and where voters, in significant numbers, rely on government for entitlements. The purpose of democrats in D.C. is to get bail-out money for their states.
Esclaro
Esclaro
3 years ago
Reply to  bowwow
Texas used to be a low cost of living when I moved here in 1991. Since then Republicans have trashed the state so that taxes are now higher than states like California and Massachusetts, property insurance has skyrocketed, utilities are through the roof and there is no infrastructure so the whole state is gridlocked. We are leaving this hell hole!
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
DONORcrat Party fans better be careful what they wish for, because they just might get it. If they are back to holding the House and the Senate – plus the White House of course, then they are expected to deliver on
1. Codifying Roe v Wade
2. Passing voting rights laws
3. Tackling the inflation problem
4. Deal with the Ukraine mess (which will get messier in the next 2 years)
etc. etc.
None of which they want to do, or are capable of doing.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Correct. The definitely don’t want to codify Roe vs Wade since in 2 more years they will need to rally the base by claiming that if you don’t vote Democrat that the Republicans will themselves make abortion illegal at the Federal level.
TheEconomist
TheEconomist
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
The Supreme Court made it clear that abortion could not be decided at the Federal level and it would be entirely up to the states. Congress can pass all the laws it wants, in either direction, and they will be struck down: the reservation clause guarantees that powers not specifically enumerated to the federal government must remain in the states, and abortion was not specifically enumerated.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
This is the party that, even when it had close to 60 seats in the Senate and nearly 260 in the House, most reluctantly passed a right-wing health insurance scam called the ACA aka Obolacare. And since then, if anything, it has gotten even more corporatist.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
That is the explicitly expressed goal of many Republican… before they were told to stop talking about it for the midterms. Birth control too.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I believe many religious extremists were talking about doing that. The same as many radical left wingers were talking about passing all kinds of crazy things under Biden.
Fortunately common sense prevails from the middle ground of both parties and the extreme fringes never see their stuff pass.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
LOL. All the problems Biden is dealing with are due to the mess Trump left or Fed created. Republicans have proven they choose party over country too many times. Some are not even Americans as far as I’m concerned.
Its hard to deliver on anything without controlling the Senate with a 60 vote majority. Florida will be part of the Atlantic Ocean and Gulf of Mexico before that happens.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
“Some are not even Americans as far as I’m concerned.”
Rrrright. Don’t we all know that anyone who disagrees with the DONORcrat Party is a Russian! Tell me something I don’t know!
Not codifying Roe v Wade is not a problem caused by Trump. It is caused by the DONORcrats playing Lucy with the football on their voter base decade after decade after decade.
Yes, the Fed caused the inflation problem but they also bailed out 0-bama when he threw 5 million American homeowners under the bus while coddling the bankster crooks. That is where the inflation problem started, first with the asset markets and now at the consumer level.
Also yes, Ukraine was already a mess after the 2014 coup engineered by the Nobel Peace Prize winning 0-bama. And Trump added to the Ukraine problem by withdrawing US from the INF treaty with Russia and supplying tons of weapons to Ukraine. But the DONORcrats would never say so, because to say that would mean that they would have to admit Trump is not a Russian stooge.
Finally, no party can do anything without a 60-vote majority? So how come the Republicans could do whatever they wanted to? And they have never ever had a 60-vote majority in the Senate. Wait until the 2024 elections, and you will see for yourself what they can do with just 55-57 seats!
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
You clearly aren’t familiar with the vote count it takes to approve a Supreme Court judge. Hint: It isn’t 60. And keep screaming Russia for whatever. The bottom line is there is always electoral blowback when the Supreme Court rules on vital cases. And this one will for decades.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Yo, YOU are the one who said “Its hard to deliver on anything without controlling the Senate with a 60 vote majority.” Not me! I pointed out that it is a pathetic excuse esp when the Republicans have never had 60 Senate seats and yet have been able to deliver pretty much anything they wanted to.

And you Dumbocrats are the ones screaming “Russia!” for everything. Look at what the DONORcrat hordes did to the pathetic POS progressives. The POS progressives asked for 99 percent warmongering and 1 percent diplomacy, and even that 1 percent was too much for the bloodthirsty DONORcrat warmongers.

Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
I’m not sure why people are surprised. Between Trump, Supreme Court decisions and actual reality, the outcome thus far is not surprising at all. Demographically, things are going to get worse for Republicans. If the Supreme Court keeps handing down decisions people don’t like, Republicans will keep getting voted out of office.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
The Supreme Court only hands down decisions based on the written laws.
Don’t like the decisions (abortion), write and pass some laws. Both sides conveniently didn’t write any laws at the Federal level so they could trot out abortion on command to rally the base. Don’t expect Democrats to even touch abortion on a national level even if they manage to win the house and senate since in another 2 years they will need to claim that if not re-elected that Republicans will write laws making it illegal.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Yes, and it will be the same with voting rights laws as well.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Don’t be surprised, in light of what McConnell did with Obama’s SCOTUS pick, if a Dem majority adds seats to SCOTUS in the near future.
Not just talking about Abortion, but decisions like Citizens United do not sit well with most Americans, bribery is not free speech.
Federalism was almost completely shot down in the original Constitutional debates in the 1790’s, it’s disconcerting to hear modern day judges or politicians reference it.
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TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Adding seats would be a disaster because it’s an infinitely slippery slope whereby the Republicans would just add yet more seats when they come back to power.
Instead what’s really needed is term limits instead of lifetime appointments or at the very least, a maximum age limit of say 75 after which time you retire.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I agree on both counts, my personal priority is money in politics – We desperately need campaign finance reform.
It doesn’t matter if you’re right or left, pick your boogeyman, Soros or Koch…etc.
It’s terrifying that SuperPAC’s don’t have to disclose donors, leaving the door open to foreign election interference, we have no way to know if Russia or China have funded them, heck, maybe N Korea has – We have the SCOTUS to thank for this.
It’s also terrifying that a SCOTUS judge can all but openly flaunt conflicts of interest and still refuse to recuse on cases he has been tied to via his wife.
If you want to win, say, a labor rights case, just pay off a judge’s wife with a hefty vacation package for two, just call it a “convention”.
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BernankeAirdrop
BernankeAirdrop
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
They won’t ever come back to power if the Dems naked take power by bending the rules and adding SC positions and states. There is a fundamental difference in world view, and a single country is incompatible with the different groups.
Naphtali
Naphtali
3 years ago
Unfortunately for the Republicans, Trump put his weight behind truly abysmal candidates and hinted at a rerun of the 2020 election in 2024. His actions served as a great motivator for the opposition. Trump is a narcissist, and though he talks a good story with maga, in the end it is all about him. The Republicans need to move forward and focus upon excellence in the candidates that they proffer to the electorate. There is much weakness in the candidates that the Democrats can put forward. Excellence is the key, economic acumen will do more than continued denial of election fairness. The accusations of cheating are tiresome and just exhibit platform weakness.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Naphtali
Trump is a clown that admires clowns. His candidates reflect this.
pimaCanyon
pimaCanyon
3 years ago
Democrats can no longer win without cheating. There’s evidence they cheated in 2020 and I have no doubt they cheated in this election as well.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  pimaCanyon
Oh yes, it’s cheating if the results aren’t a win.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  pimaCanyon
Don’t blame others just because you suck.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  pimaCanyon
Show me the evidence. I’ll wait. I have asked dozens of kooks this question, and there is never a response.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
3 years ago
I hear tell that trump is also responsible for global warming and ugly women. Just rumors mind you but let me spread them around since it is still in vogue to hate on trump.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
Are you trying to show you have TDS type II?
It seems so.
hhabana
hhabana
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
I say Trump runs And wins in 2024. I think Biden and his cohorts are such goofs that they will destroy the economy increasingly more that the public will rather have Trump, the business man, as the President.
I’d be shocked if Trump does anything about the national debt or picks better people for his cabinet (i.e. Pompeo) or pushes Israel to stop with their apartheid practices or does anything to deal with the moral downfall of America. I would enjoy him lambasting the press and that would be satisfying.
DeSantis is a RINO. Not saying he’s bad, but he’s Establishment and a shill for Israel. As much as I don’t care for Trump at least he will upset both destructive parties who have destroyed the country.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain

Despite your devotion, trump wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire. You have a battered wife relationship with him.

JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
The dream is over, kids. Really. It’s done. I doubt that I will ever again cast a vote for any office above county level. No point.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Welcome to reality.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
True enough. Every time I think I am too cynical, I am reminded that I am not cynical enough.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Nevada just updated literally minutes ago, Masto’s now behind by 800, with 90% left to count.
Credit where it’s due, 538 wasn’t so far off after all.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
90% still left to count? That’s more blatant than I’d have expected.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
lol, woops
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
10% left to count not 90%
I never believed in a red wave. I thought Republicans would win only about 224 house seats.
I am not at all shocked by Democrats winning the Senate. I even called the two key states at one point.
But once it appeared PA might not flip, I got reasonably confident for Republicans.
Silver hides behind treating 56-44 and 44-56 as the same thing “tossup”. He could say he was right on any close election. I did not like some of his state by state odds but we were not that different in final Senate Forecast
His Final Senate Forecast was
59-41
I was just slightly worse
“Put me somewhere between Nate Silver and PredictIt say 62-38 for Republicans.”
In retrospect, I blasted Silver over some state odds, but our final estimate was close.
Why were our final estimates close?
Because Republicans needed 2 of 3. Even if they are favored in all 3, some are likely to be wrong.
In this case, they lost 2 of 3 and likely to lose the third now.
I never thought Republicans had a chance in Arizona, that made it very tough.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
The one thing you nailed, a very important thing, Trump’s effect on republican elections.
Nevada just updated again, 93% in with 44,000 total left to count and Masto is now down by 0.2%.
I wonder, if Georgia no longer matters to the GOP in terms of a majority, if they abandon Walker in December…
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Phew! That was close. The guy with trash bags of fresh votes turned up just in time.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Your fantasies mean nothing. Show evidence or be mocked.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
“Show evidence or be mocked” Hmmm… difficult choice

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