It’s tough to defend genocide and ethnic cleansing as a negotiation tactic. But many do.
Gaza Critics
- @ComicDaveSmith, 685K followers: Trump has done a lot of good things in the last few weeks but it’s hard to overstate how awful the Gaza idea is. Committing an ethnic cleansing on behalf of Israel, who has wanted exactly that way before Oct 7th, and taking ownership of the region is about as awful an idea as any President has ever had. I hope he reconsiders.
- @DMichaelTripi, political analyst, 52K followers: Apparently it’s supposed to be a “negotiation tactic” but I’ll believe it when I see it. The greater Israel plan appears to be in action. Pathetic.
There are many, if not the majority, still in support. But those inflicted with TDS Type II will defend anything Trump says or does.
While I was working on this post, the Wall Street Journal came out with this analysis.
Trump’s Gaza Takeover Proposal Splinters MAGA Base
Please consider Trump’s Gaza Takeover Proposal Splinters MAGA Base
The White House tried to sell a skeptical Republican Party and foreign policy establishment on taking over the beleaguered Gaza Strip after President Trump surprised many of his own allies with his plan to rebuild the enclave.
Concerns that Trump’s proposal was both unworkable and unwise bubbled even among Trump’s vocal supporters. White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters on Wednesday that taxpayers wouldn’t cover the cost of developing the territory and that any Palestinian relocation would be temporary. She also stressed that the president hadn’t committed to sending U.S. troops to the region.
Republicans have lined up to applaud almost every one of Trump’s moves since he took office, defending the president against criticism from Democrats. But Trump’s proposal to take long-term control of Gaza marked a rare moment of discord in a largely unified party.
“We love the president, but our focus in the War Room is East Palestine, not Palestine,” longtime Trump ally Steve Bannon said in an interview. Bannon was referring to his popular podcast, War Room, and the Ohio town that was devastated by the 2023 derailment of a train carrying hazardous waste.
One House Republican lawmaker said Trump’s proposal “just doesn’t make a heck of a lot of sense to me,” adding that the idea could conflict with the GOP’s efforts to cut spending. Sen. Kevin Cramer (R., N.D.), a Trump ally, said, “I think it’s a big, visionary idea that is impractical.”
“I’ve been on the phone with Arabs all day,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C). “That approach, I think, will be very problematic.”
Trump shocked some of his own aides when, standing next to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday, he said the U.S. would “take over” Gaza, clear it of debris and develop it into a seaside paradise. The president boasted that an American-led rebuild would usher in peace to a troubled region.
In the days before Netanyahu’s visit, Trump told aides he wanted to present the idea to the Israeli leader and then announce it during a press conference, officials said. Only a handful of staffers in the president’s inner circle knew about the rollout plan, according to Trump’s advisers.
Senior defense officials, who Trump may call upon to make plans to occupy and secure Gaza during its rebuild, said they first learned of the idea during the president’s public statement. “Nobody knows what’s happening,” a defense official said.
“Sheer lunacy,” said Steven Cook, a senior fellow for Middle East studies at the Council on Foreign Relations think tank. Just the idea of ridding Gaza of its inhabitants “is a crime against humanity.”
Leavitt on Wednesday sought to clarify Trump’s plans, as criticism from the president’s allies mounted. “The president hasn’t committed to putting boots on the ground in Gaza,” she said during a briefing with reporters where she showed large photos of bombed out neighborhoods in the strip.
Dead On Arrival
This statement from Saudi Arabia sums up the viability of Trump’s proposal.
Saudi Arabia, for decades one of the Palestinians’ staunchest regional champions, strongly rebuked Trump’s proposal. The kingdom’s commitment to a future Palestinian state was “firm and unwavering,” its foreign ministry said in a Tuesday night statement. “This unwavering position is nonnegotiable and not subject to compromises.”
Trump Campaigned on Ending Foreign Entanglements
Please note that Trump campaigned on ending foreign entanglements.
Now all of a sudden, Trump proposes to remove all Palestinians from their homeland to build the “Riviera of the Middle East“.
If you think that is an exaggeration, then click on the above link for the video.
And that was right after Trump video announcement with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, “The US will take over the Gaza strip and we will do a job with it too. And we will own it.“
By “own it” I presume Trump means “own the responsibility” rather than literal ownership, but heck, who really knows given threats to take Greenland and Panama, and make Canada the 51st US state.
Negotiation Tactic
As a negotiation tactic might I suggest …
- Do consult with allies
- Do not propose what is clearly ethnic cleansing
- Do not make radical statements that confuse Senators and the Defense Department
- Do not casually toss out ideas that undoubtedly would involve US military occupation in the Mideast or anywhere else.
If you support Trump’s plan then you have TDS Type II, IDS Type II, or both, defined below.
TDS Type II and IDS Type II
- TDS Type II: Trump Derangement Symptom Type II. Trump can do no wrong Type I is Trump can do nothing right.
- IDS Type II: Israel Derangement Symptom Type II. Israel can do no wrong Type I is Israel can do nothing right.
Boots on the Ground
“The president hasn’t committed to putting boots on the ground in Gaza,” said press secretary Karoline Leavitt.
On February 4, I commented Trump says “US Will Take Over the Gaza Strip and Relocate All Palestinians”
President Trump proposed a US takeover of the Gaza Strip Tuesday — shortly after proposing removing “all” Palestinians living there.
“The US will take over the Gaza Strip, and we will do a job with it too,” Trump said at a press conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
“We’ll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site, level the site, and get rid of the destroyed buildings — level it out and create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of the area.”
Trump said that the roughly 2 million Gaza Strip residents would be relocated to neighboring countries.
Trump said he would deploy US troops to the territory “if it’s necessary.” Well, it would be necessary.
White House Walks Back Trump’s Statements
Please note White House walks back Trump’s suggestion of ‘permanent’ resettlement for Palestinians in Gaza
White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt has contradicted Trump’s suggestions that the residents of the Gaza Strip could be permanently relocated elsewhere.
“The president has made it clear that they need to be temporarily relocated out of Gaza,” Levitt said during her briefing with reporters. “It’s a demolition site.”
That contradicted Trump, who said on Tuesday night of Gaza, “If we can get a beautiful area to resettle people, permanently, in nice homes where they can be happy and not be shot and not be killed and not be knifed to death like what’s happening in Gaza.”
Gaza-Lago
In case you missed it, please see Artist’s Rendition of the Beautiful Gaza-Lago Beach Resort Now Surfacing
Many Gaza questions are unanswered, such as cost, US military involvement, and where the Palestinians will go. But the resort will be stunning.
Mish’s Five Observations
- Trump said he would deploy US troops to the territory “if it’s necessary.” Well, it would be necessary.
- Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan all disagree. They do not want Palestinians and the associated violence.
- The US does not want Palestinian refugees. Nor does Israel. Nor does the EU.
- The Palestinians do not want to be forcibly be removed and no country wants them anyway.
- There is no funding for Trump’s proposed military operation or cleanup operation.
Tut-tut you might be saying. But I am newly inspired by visions of Gaza-Lago.
Finally, all the hypocrites who blasted President Biden for taking illegal and unconstitutional actions, now support Trump for doing the same. That’s a sure sign of TDS Type II.
Ethnic cleansing is part of the Usonian DNA. Just ask the Indians.
Certainly not something that we need to be getting involved in. Don’t get me wrong, my old man was a 3rd world history teacher for most of his teaching career and I knew the 5 pillars of islam by age 10- but this region while it has had some great moments, especially under Ataturk, has not done itself many favors over the last 90 years. Go look at pictures of the region in 1930’s until the 1960’s- Bikini clad women on beach’s and men in suits.
When Beirut was the “Paris of the Middle East”.
The sad part is that the current use of Gaza is not the highest and best use
Putin said no, so we won’t do it now.
The fundamental Mideast problem is that the Jewish and Arab people have completely incompatible worldviews. The Jewish people want to live in peace. The Arab people want them to cease to exist. Can that problem be solved? If someone ever does, they’ll name a new peace prize after him.
It’s impossible to live in peace while occupying someone else’s land.
Judaism predates Islam by almost 3,000 years.
The Palestinians have been in Palestine longer than the Jews ever were since they abandoned it.
The approximate land area of the Middle East, almost entirely dominated by Muslim nations, is about 3,800,000 square miles. Even though Judaism predates Islam by about 3,000 years, the state of Israel is only about 8,500 square miles. Yet Muslims and leftists continuously whine about evil Israel as an attempt to virtue-signal. Israel is a tiny Jewish state surrounded by Islamic colonizers and invaders. You can’t argue with the math…
Yet, the Zionists are the ones expelling those they found there when they came in droves nigh eight decades ago.
You’re not great at math, are you? If Muslims control over 99.5% of the Middle East, even though their culture was formed 3,000 years AFTER Judaism, then that proves mathematically beyond doubt that Islam is the true colonizing influence in the Middle East, not Judaism. Because, see, whoever has taken control of the most land over the past 1500 years are the true colonizers. By definition…
“Their land?” What a joke. When did that ever happen? The Arabs claim the Jews stole their land. Less than 10% of Arabs owned any land in Palestine. That’s why they do not realize that the Ottoman’s kept outstanding land records for hundreds of years because they levied an annual property tax on each parcel. The Ottoman records show who owned what land and what they paid for it. Show me an Arab who claims his family’s land was stolen and you will have an Arab that cannot identify where that land was, and if he could, cannot identify the last Arab owner of the land. Most likely that land was sold to Jews over 100 years ago.
The ones being occupied and genocided are the original inhabitants of those lands, unlike the people that came nigh eight decades ago.
So, if China were to barge into and ethnically cleanse the US and then claim that they want to “live in peace”, that would be perfectly OK with you?!
Bad analogy – no Arabs were “ethnically cleansed.” Today’s state of Israel has nearly 2 million Arab citizens. No one ethnically cleansed them. The Ethnic cleansing you refer to was of the Jews from the surrounding Arab nations between 1948 – 1950. What happened to the Jews of Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Morocco, and Tunisia. They were kicked out of their homes and had the businesses and bank accounts stolen. The Jews had nowhere to go so they came to Israel. These Mizrahi Jews and their descendants comprise of 50% of Israel’s Jewish population. Tell those guys about stolen land. And how is that non-stop war the Palestinians have waged against Jews for the last 100 years worked out for them? And the gap between Israel’s first world economy and the Palestinians third world economy is ever widening. Yet, the Palestinians always choose war over peace. No wonder they are despised by the rest of the Arab world.
Well, MAGA will fall in line, sooner rather than later. As Caitlin Johnstone says, “At most they’ll get mad for a day or two and then come back around when right wing pundits start amplifying some story about a drag queen driving an ice cream truck.”
LOL
Same question how are this nuts planning to pay for all the planed purchases, over 30 trillion in debt already spending ceiling coming this buying talk is plain stupid and absurd ….
With the income of your descendants.
Feeding the economy of Gaza with resorts and a positive outlook seems better than their previous diet of lawyers, guns and money. I failed to see the harm in trying something new.
Won’t work. The corruption in the PLA, Hamas and others will ensure that the construction of such a resort area will siphon off billions.
Plus I’ve been to Gaza and strolled along it’s shore. It has nothing to offer compared to say the hundreds of beaches in Egypt that already have everything tourists want including things Gaza doesn’t have like coral reefs, islands, wildlife, alcohol and desert safaris.
Who will go? Not the Israelis who can go to Israeli beaches or pop down to Taba, Sharm and Dahab. Arab tourists? Most don’t go to beach resorts and if they do then Sharm is just across the Tiran Straits.
Also the Med is cold in winter, I once went to the beach west of Alex in spring and the water was too cold even then to swim so what will attract tourists to Gaza outside of summer? Not like Gaza will ever have the nightlife of Beirut or Cairo with music, belly dancers and bottles of booze.
So even if Trump was to redevelop Gaza under his crazy plan it would fail.
Well, if it is any other place, Trump may likely have to pay for it. Here, he is getting it for “free”, right?
Blah, blah, blah Mish.
7 US presidents over decades have failed to negotiate ANY solution to the Israelis/Palestinian situation. Continuing to take the same approaches that have failed over and over and over is not going to bring a different result.
What is unclear about this statement?
Foolish Israeli leftists drank the Kool-Aid and gave up Gaza to the Palestinians in 2005, who promptly elected terrorists to lead them. Hamas then proceeded to shoot tens of thousands of rockets from Gaza into Israel followed by a stupendously idiotic attack on Oct 7. 2023.
Israel has proceeded to extract payment for this the above since that date, resulting in the demolishment of Gaza.
As Trump stated and should be obvious to anyone with the brain of the Scarecrow, Gaza is a demolition site now. There is no sewage, no water. There are unexploded munitions all over the place. There is rotting and diseased human and animal remains everywhere. The Palestinians dedicated welfare agency, the UNRWA has had its funding cur by the USA and has been banned by Israel, so there is no food or supplies for the Gazans.
How can anyone imagine that Gazans can live in Gaza in the state it is in AND while all of this is cleaned up and MAYBE rebuilt.
But even if there is rebuilding, Gaza was severely overpopulated for the land area and resources available. So how and what is rebuilt is a serious question.
Should Gaza be built to house this overpopulation with massive high rises? How will additional population be accommodated, which based on the past, will continue to grow exponentially? Where will the water come from?
Bottom line, the Gazan Palestinians placed their bets on Hamas and lost. Now they must relocate, whether they want to or not.
Why doesn’t the US force Israel to let the Gazans go back to their stolen homes and villages in southern Israel?
Because such homes never existed.
Gazans have been living in Gaza the whole time the war was occurring. Allegedly, Israel had originally supported Hamas as a counter to the Palestinian Authority. If true, both parties placed bets on Hamas, and lost, each in their own way.
To be clear, it would be neither genocide, nor ethnic cleansing. It would be forced relocation. This is a crime against humanity, but doing nothing is probably worse.
The key information most people miss is that there is no such thing as a Palestinian people. The name was invented by the British. The people in Gaza are Arabs, with no cultural or other differences compared to the people in neighboring countries.
The Arab world helps trap people in Gaza in order to create problems for Israel – and for no other reason. If they loved their brethren, they would welcome the people in Gaza into their countries.
The people in Gaza are captives in an open air prison – created and maintained by Israel and the Arab world.
They could benefit from US intervention, but the US should stay out of it. Solving the world isn’t our job
Biggest risk to the Gazan population is if Israel recognised its independence. Then it could shut the international border and tell them that they are no longer Israel’s problem. No more connections of water, electricity. No trucks shipping in food, fuel, materials. Then Gaza would need to operate its own port, power stations, desalination plants etc and pay for it themselves.
And being a free and sovereign nation odds are the other Arab states will no longer keep writing endless cheques as they will have kept their promise to “free Palestine”.
And if Gaza still attacks Israel just because they hate Jews then Israel can again level Gaza.
Correct, we are broke.
Gaza is forever lost unless Israel picks up the tab.
Which they won’t.
In unrelated news the FED Reverse Repo facility was under $79B today.
SWEET!!! On its way to zero. Can you say QE faster than QT?
It’s coming, baby! JPowell will start buying assets again, since all of the money, less what’s in core banking reserves, are almost gone.
– Some Staunch Trump Supporters Will Not Defend His Gaza Proposal.
> Some Staunch Trump Supporters Defend His Gaza Proposal.
Gaza Critics
– @ComicDaveSmith, 685K followers: it’s hard to overstate how awful the Gaza idea is. Committing an ethnic cleansing on behalf of Israel, and taking ownership of the region. I hope he reconsiders.
> The Irony of coming from a Comic… “Ethnic Cleansing” on behalf of Israel, is simply made up. So is “Taking Over” the Region. Funny stuff… I heard that he considered reconsidering what he didn’t reconsider, but considered otherwise…
– @DMichaelTripi, political analyst, 52K followers: Apparently it’s supposed to be a “negotiation tactic” but I’ll believe it when I see it. The greater Israel plan appears to be in action. Pathetic.
> So the analyst seems to understand that’s it’s a “Negotiating Tactic” (“For Peace”), but then second guesses his analysis, and even gets emotional about it. Maybe he should switch to Comedy?
– The White House tried to sell a skeptical Republican Party and foreign policy establishment on taking over the beleaguered Gaza Strip after President Trump surprised many of his own allies with his plan to rebuild the enclave.
> Not quite, but nice try. The WH did no such thing, but did request negotiations immediately as he should have.
– Concerns about Trump’s proposal being perhaps unworkable, but can’t or at least didn’t say, that it was Not Workable.
> Most people await clear and precise details, before judging anything “Unworkable” and “Throwing In the towel. I Love that President Trump “Holds Onto” the Towel!!!
– Republicans have lined up to applaud almost every one of Trump’s moves since he took office, defending the president against criticism.
> I suspect the same in this situation. Trump wants Peace for the Middle East, and this is a wonderful way of starting a path to that exact “Goal” The U.S. wants to assist the Middle East in what they themselves state is the “Same Goal” as do, or should ALL Democrats as well.
We assist with ALL but $$$! Heavy Equipment, Engineers, Planning, and Work With Everyone for the “Common Goal” of Peace. After it’s rebuilt and ready for occupancy, they will have one last crack at Peace on this land, new rebuilt land, For Them! For Peace! For The World!!!
– Dead On Arrival
> How? It hasn’t even been discussed yet! We know everyone Says: We Wish For Peace.
Negotiation Tactic
As a negotiation tactic might I suggest …
– Do consult with allies > They will
– Do not propose what is clearly ethnic cleansing > That was misunderstood
– Do not make radical statements > I didn’t interpret it that way at all?
– Do not casually toss out ideas that undoubtedly would involve US military occupation in the Mideast or anywhere else.
> I heard “Work With” and “Assist” and No $$. Nothing about Military Take Over and Occupation from anyone? Built up together as a Region, with support from the U.S. working together for Peace.
– If you support Trump’s plan then you have…
> Common Sense, and a clear desire For Peace! Correct!!!
Mish’s Five Observations
– Trump said he would deploy US troops to the territory “if it’s necessary.” Well, it would be necessary.
> We don’t yet know that, and have not even negotiated the finer details at all, and that’s where that would come into play, if it does in fact have to.
– Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan all disagree. They do not want Palestinians and the associated violence.
> not sure they have too much say in the end, but they may and should get involved and/or support anything in regards to a potential “Peaceful Region” one would hope…
– The US does not want Palestinian refugees. Nor does Israel. Nor does the EU.
> Nope! I guess they best work it out this time then…
– The Palestinians do not want to be forcibly be removed and no country wants them anyway.
> They already have been, and have no way to rebuild, so they are currently homeless and Maybe should consider taking the New Homes and having Peace?
– There is no funding for Trump’s proposed military operation or cleanup operation.
> Maybe that’s because there is no military operation or cleanup operation, as of yet anyway…
>> “Give Peace A Chance”
TLDR is a real thing…
Here is the proper solution:
The Gazans return, ISRAEL (NOT AMERICA) pays the costs to rebuild Gaza and the 2 state solution proceeds on 1967 borders.
What wicked evil we have when the people who destroyed your city pretend its compassion to then dispossess because ‘its not safe’ to return. Demon level gaslighting.
[ROTFLOL]
There is no such thing as the 1967 borders. That was the Armistice line arising after multiple Arab armies attacked Israel in 1967, and got their helmets handed to them, before turning tail and fleeing back to their own countries. The Arabs never accepted the Armistice line as a border – they attacked Israel again in 1973.
Trump is right in one very important respect: the involved parties have had decades to sort things out, and it’s just gotten worse. “Insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results. ” Why did things work out well with our arch WWII enemies, Germany and Japan, but they never work in Palestine? Because the Japanese and Germans were not tied to radical ideologues for leaders. The Japanese and Germans allowed and embraced regime change. Unfortunately, a majority of Palestinians support their radical Islamist leadership that will never make peace with Israel. So can we or should we expect to actually implement Trump’s negotiating gambit? No, but there’s an important insight behind it.
Or perhaps because neither the Japanese nor the Germans were expelled from their lands.
But their rulers (the Nazis) were. So too should Hamas be expelled. They are murderous thugs.
The genocidal thugs are the foreign occupiers who should be expelled.
Wrong, the thugs are those who condone mass rape and killing of babies. Only Hamas does that. The Palestinians will never have anything if they endorse thugs as their leadership. Period. End of story.
The Jerusalem Post debunked such Zionist propaganda, but you keep repeating it. The Israelis will never have anything if they endorse this as their leadership. Period. End of story.
Mish, quick question: How do you write an op-ed about Trump’s Gaza proposal without addressing the primary goal?
NO HAMAS
… but they’ll LOVE our untested upgrades to the air traffic control systems!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/musk-cost-cutters-plug-air-195658811.html?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
We need to catch planes in the air. Too many crashes happen when planes have to land! This should be your focus point.
Indeed.. perhaps a gigantic pair of salad tongs….
We all stand corrected…
Just like “all legal scholars” on “both sides” wanted Roe overturned…
Trump has proclaimed “EVERYONE loves my Gaza plan”.
When he says EVERYONE, he’s actually referring to his pubic lice. They’ve been his closest friends for decades.
I cannot support any American presence in Gaza nor can I meld the idea of trying to cut the size of our government while entertaining a money pit idea like owning Gaza. I hope Trump is man enough to back off this fiasco W/O having to have some face saving to stroke his ego. That praise given by Bibi last night was so over the top it was insincere.
Too late! Your vote no longer matters… now either get with the talking points, or rationalize it yourself.
ok lets get back to economics Federal Reserve Board releases the hypothetical scenarios for its annual stress testhttps://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/bcreg20250205a.htm
meanwhile Cutting the $10 billion grantmaking agency in half would “gut the intellectual center of U.S. leadership in science and technology And this makes America great? Please explain https://www.eenews.net/articles/science-funding-agency-threatened-with-mass-layoffs/
I am all the science you cretins can handle.
Elon is going after medicare and medicaid. I wonder when severance packages are going to go out. Is social security next? Once it’s gone, it aint coming back.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14364811/doge-elon-musk-target-fraud-medicare-medicaid.html
You reap what you sow!
Those old nonproductives were gonna soon anyway… and a hobo camp isn’t all that different from a rest home. They’ll die just fine at a fraction of the cost!
There’s potentially a lot of fraud, waste & abuse in Medicare & Medicaid.
It’s time somebody goes after it. If it’s DOGE, then so be it. The only people who have anything to worry about are the ones perpetuating the waste, fraud & abuse.
Why must you be SO SKEPTICAL ABOUT EVERYTHING?
Can’t you find some way to make money off DOGE finding savings?
Who said I was skeptical? What are you reading into my statement that doesn’t exist? Why are crazy thoughts living in your head about my statement?
I am the lone person here that has been advocating for the demise of social security and medicare. These are the two largest drain on treasury coffers and it’s not sustainable.
I want the whole thing shutdown but at a bare minimum it needs massive reform.
Cutting the “Regime Change Policy” fund around the world will make “MAGA”
Dr. Robert Malone said that at the top, science is about money and power. Thus it is not about science, it is about control. Fauci’s replacement at NIAID called Remdesivir a silver bullet. It was nothing of the sort. Science has been corrupted.
48-hour rule Mish
Thank you for even daring to discuss the lesser-known versions of TDS and IDS. As a talk host I’ve tired of the “don’t ever criticize Trump, you’re a traitor or part of the problem” same with “If Bibi Wants it, we should approve, support, and pay for it” (Including sending our children to help, if needed).
Traitor says what?
Says stick with Doge, PM.
this is what Musk and his minions are doing (its very simple)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZjCQ3T5yXo&t=61s
… as we were anointed by god to!
It sounds like a war crime, or at least a violation of international law regarding the displacement of conquered peoples. On the one hand it’s certain not to come to fruition since the notion of direct US military participation will fade away. On the other hand somebody will have to pay for the resuscitation of Gaza, but it’s totally unclear how that will happen.
There are no crimes if you’re rich enough.
Money And Power And Connection.
blame hamas. I wonder how much aid was in usaid going to those barbarians.
International “law” does not apply to major powers like the USA, Russia and China silly.
Best to just enjoy the Show. He throws mud on a wall to see who reacts.
Use your noggin. Its about building the proposed Ben Gurion Canal and having an alternative to the Suez Canal.
Excellent… we can add that to tomorrow’s talking points!
Much ado about nothing.
Just a conversation starter, let’s keep the panties up and watch what happens
TDS Type II is very real and Trump’s proposal is very dumb. As is the first paragraph of your post. Trump didn’t call for any genocide or ethnic cleansing. Forced resettlement (of a group of people who have demonstrated they can’t police their own terrorists) isn’t even close to the same thing.
Trump called for the forced removal of all Palestinians
What do you call that?
An all expenses paid vacation of indeterminate length.
A bad idea that is equaled by other bad ideas. When one side in a war refuses to surrender, the war continues. As this will unless something else is done. The Gazans or Palestinians or terrorist Hamas voters – whatever you’d like to call them – have dug themselves a hole even their Arab brothers want nothing to do with. These aren’t some innocent angels…. they started a war they lost. They have no moral high ground.
There are no good ideas. Hamas and many Gazans have said they’ll gleefully start their sprees again. do you have a better idea for them? The world is all ears.
Gazans paid the heavy price but they won the war.
The whole Global South and some of European such as Ireland firmly support Palestine. Obviously see in UN votes and ICC.
Answered in my comment — please re-read: “forced resettlement”.
“Genocide”, seriously? Trump actually said he wanted life to be safer for the ex-Gazans.
Again, dumb idea by him, for many reasons. And maybe legally out of bounds — although under the U.S. view it is Israel’s land and if Israel wants to give it to Trump to control…
But it ain’t genocide.
Neither is it even a morally outrageous proposition. There is no contrition by Hamas and there is zero reason to believe that the “innocent Gazans” won’t put their heads in the sand and let another sequel to last year play out down the road.
Call it ethnic cleansing or anything else that suits. Who cares? A rose is a rose is a rose by any other name.
The Palestinians simply cannot stay where they are while, maybe, Gaza is cleaned of terror tunnels, cleaned of environment pollution, cleaned of unexploded munitions, cleaned of rotting bodies, cleaned of sewage, etc., etc.
Nobody wants the Palestinians. Wonder why. The Saudi’s don’t want them, even though they are “unwavering” in their support. The Egyptians don’t want them. Jordan took them in once, but then forcibly evicted them, because they were bad guests. The only country that has tolerated them is, of course, Israel. I think that Trump is just trying to turn this into an Arab problem. He wants the Egyptians, Arabs, Jordanians, etc., to take security and financial responsibility for this mess.
Bingo.
Because the only place Palestinians belong and are attached to is the historical Palestine. Why should they leave their land whereas the invaders who came from Poland, Hungary, Russia and elsewhere have the right to stay on stolen land.
Why should Arabs who moved to Palestine between 1920 and 1945 to benefit from the booming Jewish economy be considered indigenous?
Only Israel tolerates them? Lol it is the Israeli invasion of Palestine that has caused the problem in the first place.
Don’t forget over 400,000 Palestinians were kicked out of Kuwait, after the Palestinians sided with Saddam Hussein following his invasion of Kuwait.
Also, Syria killed 100’s of thousands of Palestinians in the Syrian Civil war. This was ignored by the main-stream media since they could not blame this on the Jews.
Nutty Yahoo is evil. He looks evil. He is evil.
Arrest him for the war crimes he’s already been charged with. After he’s found guilty, send him to hell ASAP. The world will be a lot safer without him.
Stop whining.
I do not think there is anything deranged about looking at Gaza and seeing the beaches, coastline, the oil and gas off shore, and wanting to build it into something special. Sure, the people are going to have to move into tent cities or similar until the city is rebuilt. I mean, what else are you going to do with them? Keep them in squalor? I guess I should have known the answer to that last question is yes.
It did pop up in my head that there are some factions that are happy with Palestinians being treated like dogs in the mud: weapons manufacturers that thrive on constant war, nations like Saudi Arabia and Iran who can point at Israel and proclaim them the “real enemy” hoping no one looks at how they govern while stirring up conflict. Do they really want peace? Do they want the Palestinians to thrive? And then there is Israel. I can look at some of the comments and see the resistance. Is there anything that would scare Israel more than a prosperous Gaza/Palestine?
Well, thank God, we have arrived at a consensus. By all means, let’s keep the Palestinians down. The world wants them to be dogs in the mud and shame on Trump for thinking they could be anything more than that. Let’s stick to the old ways, people! Nothing to see here, move along!
Puerto Rico will be pissed off if Gaza 2.0 becomes as state before they do.
The real winner here is the defense industry. Once we make Gaza the 51st state, there will be no quibbling about the expense of bombing the crap out of it on a bi-annual basis to keep the ultra wealthy safe and happy in their beachfront resort.
Hey, could you control your monkeys, please? We hear they’re swinging from the chandeliers, and wreaking havoc in the halls of govt.
All part of The Plan. Have faith!
Who do you think is going to benefit from “cleaning up” Gaza?
Trump’s family and the Saudis, who will invest millions in “resort oceanside
condos and land”. That is the real plan!
Won’t it make you joyful to see us getting all that?
And this is a problem why?
I hate this idea. I don’t think it’ll ever happen as Congress will never approve it.
Congress no longer matters.
For a group that doesn’t matter, they’re losing their minds at the prospect of USAID spreadsheets becoming public.
I still think offering up Chinese ghost towns should be considered. They are returning home to Gaza now so why is keeping them there untenable? No matter what is done to rebuild it, it will remain a violent shithole until the Palestinians and Israelis come to a workable agreement.
Have you checked with Xi as to if he would take them?
Minor detail.
I would like to see China take over Gaza – they know how to deal with radical Islamists.
I don’t think this is going to happen any more than Canada becoming at 51st state. Hopefully this is nothing more than Trump acting like a father who yells at the kids “If you don’t stop crying, I’ll give you something to cry about!” At least I hope so anyway. But I really don’t know.
But right now I don’t see a way to “solve” the Gaza problem until Israel and the Palestinians both come to understand that living in peace is preferable to any other alternative. Iran also has to come to that conclusion.
Is Trump playing 3D chess, by proposing a non-solution that makes himself the enemy of both Palestinians and Israel, such that they would have to negotiate together to avoid his proposal? I don’t think so, but maybe.
It’s not a “non-solution”. Removing the Palestinians from Israel territory is a bold, decisive move by Trump. The Palestinians would be wise to accept or else, see:.
Trail of Tears
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears
Look for a possible global settlement between Trump and Putin which brings peace to both the Middle east and Russia/Ukraine. Whether you like it or not, (and I do NOT) the Palestinians cannot return to Gaza, as it is a wasteland that will take maybe 10 years to clear the rubble, clear all the exploded bombs and mines and rebuild.
Trump cannot get a deal with Russia on Ukraine anywhere close to what he has suggested. Russia won. NATO/US lost. Putin will dictate the terms. Nevertheless Putin wants a global settlement and long term security agreement between Russia, Europe and the USA. He is ready to negotiate and make a fair deal
Trump cannot negotiate a settlement in Gaza that will be anything close to what he is now demanding. The World is almost entirely unified in their belief that Israel is a genocidal/Apartheid State that cannot be allowed to fulfill the genocidal aims of the psychopath Netanyahu. In essence, we lost-again.
Trump -I believe recognizes this-despite his rhetoric to the contrary. There will be no bombing of Iran, nor more continued genocide in Gaza no more funding to the lost war in Ukraine. Trump and Putin will sit down in a few months in their own Yalta style conference, and decide the fates of those regions and much of the world. There will be agreements and understandings that will provide peace and avoid nuclear war.
So what to do with the Palestinians who are living in their misery, death and total desperation? Perhaps a new State of Palestine will be carved out in Western Ukraine as one possibility. Zelensky has no say in this matter. Give each new immigrant a plot of land. Plenty of land in Ukraine and the war has greatly depopulated this very large and very rich country. Give them hope.
What about present Gaza? Who knows. Trump now says the US owns it. We will rebuild and develop it. Pains me to say this, but it may be the best solution. Again, what to do with 2 million now displaced Palestinians who practically and simply will not be able to return to the ruins of their former home for many, many years. Time to get creative here. We need the conflicts in the Middle east resolved. We need the bogus unjust war we have waged with Russia to be resolved. The US needs to get out of the ME and Ukraine to solve our own very formidable problems here at home. I believe Trump understands this and I hope he has a master plan which will serve the true interests of Americans.
2.1 million Arab Israeli citizens are not trying to annihilate Israel. Then there are 1.3 million Russian Israelis. Interesting. Genocide? Repetition of mindless but persistent propaganda. Warfare involves killing. Many Americans live in the esthetic fallacy that life is a Coca Cola commercial. Its not.
He’s messing with everyone. Nobody agrees with it. Even Netanyahu. He just wants weapons and cash since his economy is wrecked so he’ll agree to whatever. He got Israel in a big quagmire.
One thing it is doing, it’s keeping the uni-party flustered and confused. Normally they could gang up on him but this time it’s too much. Everyday a barrage of junk thrown at them. Which one to focus on? Deportations to Cuba? Elon’s DOGE cartel? Gulf of America? Tariffs? USAID gutted? The uni-party doesn’t do guerrilla warfare. One or two hills that’s it. It takes all their effort just to defend and counter attack two topics.
Many people have trouble distinguishing fact from fiction and linguistically, literal from figurative language. Which is why both marketing and propaganda are so successful. Trump is pointing out that the two state solution is … a bunch of malarkey. Meanwhile, pulling out of Syria, with Turkey re-imagining its Ottoman Empire, expanding as a hegemon, will counter both Russia’s toehold in Syria and Irans ambitions. That no one wants the Palestinians, well even in the 70s pushing and old Jewish man named Leon Klinghoffer in his wheel chair off a cruise ship into the ocean was not very good marketing. Ditto many plane hijackings. Or most recently Oct. 7.
Amazing how people rationalize that which they refuse to accept.
I am no Trump fan. I do not fall for ANYTHING that ANY POLITICIAN says.
Sure, there are some sensible Trumpster ideas, such as Taking “Male” Tran-sexuals out of competing with Real Women, closing the DOE, and housecleaning, but this idea is lunacy.
I think that Trump is showing some signs of senility. I have old parents and they do some seriously inconsiderate stuff.
Agree. I have relatives who about the same age as Trump, and they recently (in the last 5 years) started doing shit that is not just inconsiderate but downright weird. I remember my grandfather got that way too (it was early signs of dementia). He’d look right at you and just say nasty mean shit for no reason. It’s was like he lost his filter. Every stupid thought he had was verbalized. Something is definitely different with Trump this time around. His tone and demeanor are much darker. I do not think this bodes well for the country even if I do agree with some of the things he’s doing.
Mish’s Five Observations. Are spot on! Here’s something from that knew a bit about the situation out there: “Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”
Ariel Sharon
Crazy times when saying stupid shit is considered a negotiating tactic.
While we are at it, let’s revise “walk back” to something more stylish like “moonwalking”. Here’s a graphic if you can’t imagine it: https://imgflip.com/gif/1ijxdl
Stupid people deserve stupid rulers!
Looks like sooooomebody is tired of their American Citizenship! Dissent is no longer tolerated.
Good timing with the magical misdirection from your buddy King Chaos the Shit Talker…
Hardly anyone is talking about you getting your federal pause on everything any more.
The US Government is down for the count.
The guy is worth so much more than I paid… he’s literally the most annoying person on the planet. His capacity for distraction is bottomless!
A bargain for us as well: 2 billionaires for the price of 1.
How about an article about the Washington DC business plan currently in operation.
The one where someone gets elected but has no money when they go to DC.
Then in a short time becomes millionaires and multimillionaires.
Basis is
get elected.
while in office and when out of office start a Foundation.
get Government grants to fund said foundation.
Skim some for yourself for the services provided.
Adds up fairly quickly and in no time at all another millionaire plus gets minted.
All that screaming going on in DC at this time means the Jig is up.
Bottom feeders don’t feed nearly so well as us top feeders, but you keep your eye on them. We’ll just take care of everything else, pay us no mind…
Have never blocked anyone until you came along. Life is just too short to waste time reading your posts or responding.
Off to your safe space? Smart!
“An honest public servant can’t become rich in politics. He can only attain greatness and satisfaction by service.”
Harry S. Truman
Pelosi worth $250MM. AOC doing pretty well. Barry O. Bill and Hill. Etc. ad nauseum.
AOC is a filthy poor, I have nothing but contempt for her. With her position she should have easily netted 100 million in bribes by now, yet her net worth is still south of ONE million! Pathetic!
Nancy I can deal with, you need at least 100 million to matter to me.
Come on now. You wanted to tag her.
Too poor to carry my seed.
Something like 84 millions to Clinton foundation is number I am hearing includes daughter Chelsea.
Since I went off topic from article, I have a problem with a Greater Israel which includes moving out population of Gaza.
Land of ones birth is dear to hold.
Buildings can be rebuilt after wars. It is nothing new. Germany rebuilt Berlin even though it was firebombed to ruins
There should be a different way to handle Hamas and ensure it does not resurrect as a Military threat to Israel.