Initial Unemployment Claims Jump the Most Since October of 2021

Unemployment claims from department of labor, chart by Mish

Initial Claims

In the week ending May 6, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 264,000, an increase of 22,000 from the previous week’s unrevised level of 242,000. This is the highest level for initial claims since October 30, 2021 when it was 264,000.

Initial Claims 4-Week Moving Average

The 4-week moving average was 245,250, an increase of 6,000 from the previous week’s unrevised average of 239,250. This is the highest level for this average since November 20, 2021 when it was 249,250. 

Continued Claims

The number of continued claims rose slightly from 1,801,000 to 1,813,000.

Continued Claims 4-Week Moving Average

The 4-week average of continued claims rose slightly from 1,827,250 to 1,829,500.

The number of initial and continued claims are low historically. However, shifts up from major lows are recession signals. 

The number of continued claims is now well above the post- and pre-Covid lows. 

What to Expect

The Covid recession was both amazingly steep and a record low in duration, lasting only two months.

For this recession, I expect the opposite, a long period of general weakness in or near recession, with a minimal rise in the unemployment rate.

Demographically Sobering Thoughts on US Employment in the Next Five Years

For a discussion of how demographics factors into employment and unemployment, please see Demographically Sobering Thoughts on US Employment in the Next Five Years

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worleyeoe
worleyeoe
2 years ago
300K is the level that signals we’re in or very near a recession. Still a ways to go. Timeframe for arrival is anyone’s guess.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
2 years ago
The charts look like a one-sided trade starting to unwind.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
2 years ago
I still stick with my prediction that our glorious leaders will continue to make the worst possible decision for any situation and blunder their way into a currency crushing depression.
This entire situation was created by the very people who are tasked with correcting it. Using the same mindset and tools that created the problem generally don’t work that well on resolving it.
8dots
8dots
2 years ago
Initial claims in the “reaction phase”
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
China post covid bounce back that was going to boost global economy … uhhh ….
(Bloomberg) — China’s consumer prices barely grew in April, while borrowing slumped, providing further evidence the economy’s recovery is waning and fueling expectations of more central bank stimulus.

Consumer inflation weakened to a two-year low of 0.1% in April, the National Bureau of Statistics said Thursday, as food and energy costs eased. The figures were partly affected by the base of comparison from last year. Producer prices fell 3.6%, largely due to lower commodity costs.

Separately, data from the People’s Bank of China showed credit and new loans were much worse than expected in April as consumers and businesses curbed their borrowing.

“China’s credit data came in well below estimates, reinforcing the concerns over the sustainability of post-Covid recovery,” said Zhou Hao, chief economist at Guotai Junan International Holdings Ltd. Overall growth momentum “has been slowing significantly,” he said.

Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
“For this recession, I expect the opposite, a long period of general weakness in or near recession, with a minimal rise in the unemployment rate.”
Déjà vu
I vividly remember Bill McBride’s (Calculated Risk) mantra of “long and shallow” in 2006 / 2007 / and into 2008. Got to the point I questioned whether we were looking at the same data.
Long, hard (with credit crisis) + 3 to 5 million jobs lost on tap.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
What was the labor force in 2006/2007/2008 to what it is now? How many people have retired since 2020 and how many more will retire over the next 24 months?
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
Am I supposed to do your homework?
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
No but you say 3 to 5 million job loss on tap when that’s about the number of people retiring so if we did have 3 to 5 m loss and we have 3 to 5m retiring then that means a loss of 6 to 10 m people in the labor force. If that happens we’ll all be in a world of hurt.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
If times get tough, I expect older workers to delay retirement or get back into labor force to repair household finances.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
“The number of initial and continued claims are low historically.”
Yeah, well … might not be a good indicator of employment picture.
“In 2022, about one-quarter of the unemployed (26 percent) who worked in the past 12 months
had applied for unemployment insurance (UI) benefits”
Matt3
Matt3
2 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Is this the same recession that started in May 2022? November 2022? Is the recession still 6 months away as it has been now for over a year?
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
Yes. Last Summer I predicted a recession to start then. I’ve admitted my error. I “assumed” credit would tighten in March 2022 when Federal Reserve started raising rates + QT. To my surprise financial conditions EASED Q2 and Q3 … did not start to tighten till Q4. I expect NBER will give start date of recession to early 2023 (or late 2022).
Anyway, revisions have leaned to the downside … so, if you think no recession … good luck!
Matt3
Matt3
2 years ago
Both the initial claims and the continuing 4 week moving averages are still below most every time from 2000 with the exception of the pandemic.
Demographics will keep the job market tight. Policies will promote inflation. Low or no economic growth and continued inflation. Stagflation.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
Stagflation, eh?
Explain to me how massive debt overhang survives high rate environment.
Disinflation / deflation on tap.
Matt3
Matt3
2 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Rates will are still low and inflation is here. The way out of debt is for inflation to run in excess of interest rates. This is how the debt from WWII was handled. Monetize the debt with a depreciating currency.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
2 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
“Rates will are still low”
Really? 30 yr mortgage at 6.5%? …. new vehicle loan rate 7% (Q1 per Edmunds?
If you go down the “historically” route … you are ignoring valuations are much much higher … and real earnings down the past 2 years …
Matt3
Matt3
2 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
My perspective is having lived through the 70’s and 80’s. Rates were higher and I see the period from 2008 forward as abnormally low rates. Maybe I’m wrong. I’ve been wrong many times before!
I would rather own hard assets and businesses that generate cash. My thought is that these will rise with inflation and provide some protection from a depreciating currency.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 years ago
I posted this link on another thread hoping to get some insight from someone in Florida. Supposedly all the construction sites and farms are empty after Florida passed a new strict immigration law. Anyone from Florida confirm or debunk?
If these videos are true then Florida is going to have one huge labor shortage. I wonder what that will do to next months numbers.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
As posted in the other thread:
I have no idea. Never even seen or read about this.
Then
again I live in the West Palm area which is urban and no where near
where the massive agricultural farms are (mostly north of Lake
Okeechobee). There is plenty of local construction going on (roads, buildings etc).
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Well get in a car and get me some onsight reports! This is a tremendous opportunity to short companies! Profit! Profit! Profit!
TLinFL
TLinFL
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
Sounds like click bait to me. I don’t watch or read any MSM, but heading out to ride my off-road bicycle last weekend, plenty of migrant buses at the fields. There are no English signs in Wimauma, FL but the town is always bustling.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 years ago
Reply to  TLinFL

“Many workers are leaving, thinking they’re going to be deported, so they’re going to other states,” says Jose, an employee. “Everyone is really uneasy…we just want to work to help our families.”

The bill also has a crackdown on healthcare, saying that hospitals must report the patient’s immigration status if they are using Medicare.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
2 years ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
I saw a CNBC article today that says there’s a shortage of immigrant workers to build houses. WHAT?
New home construction has slowed and there’s 5M new illegals running around in the US since Biden took office.
My gawd they can make up some bat-S lies.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
What’s the lie? 5m immigrants need houses and more coming everyday.
Jackula
Jackula
2 years ago
If traffic in Los Angeles is an economic activity indicator it has seemed to be at an all time high over this week so far.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  Jackula
Is everybody moving out?
Jackula
Jackula
2 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Lol! Some but high levels of activity, mebbe the weather

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