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Three US Troops Killed in Jordan, Will the US Be Drawn Into a Major War?

Biden wants to avoid a major Mideast war escalation. That’s getting harder by the day.

Three Servicemen Killed Near Syrian Border

CENTCOM has confirmed that three U.S. service members were killed and 25 were injured via a one-way attack drone.

Where Was the Attack?

The US claims the servicemen were at the Tower 22 site in Jordan while Jordan says it was on Al-Tanf base in Syria.

The Al-Tanf base is located within Syrian territory outside of regime control where the Syrian, Iraqi, and Jordanian borders meet. It houses a number of American troops

Please consider 3 US Service Members Killed, Many Injured in Attack on Al-Tanf Military Base.

Mohannad Mubaydeen, spokesperson for the Jordanian government, said “the attack targeting US forces near the Syrian border did not take place within Jordan” but instead “targeted Al-Tanf base in Syria.”

Al-Tanf, a base located within Syrian territory outside of regime control where the Syrian, Iraqi, and Jordanian borders meet, houses a number of American troops.

The base had previously come under attack on Jan. 4, with unidentified drones intercepted by US forces before reaching the base.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

Lindsey Graham Says Hit Iran Hard

Strike Iran for “Deterrence” Purposes?

I side with Tucker on this.

Is This Nuts Too?

Erdogan is a quasi-dictator and another questionable ally.

The Hill comments Turkey Is a US Ally, but Should Not Be a Trusted One.

Turkey bought the S-400 (a Russian air defense system that threatens Washington’s F-35 program), nearly upended NATO by threatening to invade Greece, almost hit U.S. troops in Syria, became the safe-haven for the Muslim Brotherhood after it was kicked out of Egypt, served as a financing arm for Hamas and Russia, and is engaging in a battle of threats with Israel over Ankara’s support for Hamas.

In many ways, when it comes to U.S. weapons purchases, Turkey is the ultimate practitioner of “reverse leverage,” which occurs when arms sales create a relationship in which the U.S. feels it has become dependent on the recipient — whether for security, strategic or economic needs — and the recipient exploits this relationship to continue undertaking policies that endanger U.S. security while still receiving American weapons. In Turkey’s case, it uses its position as a NATO ally and a country in the Middle East to receive U.S. weapons.

For example, Turkey is once again evaluating whether it should approve of Sweden joining NATO. Now, in exchange for its vote, Turkey wants a simultaneous sale of the U.S.-produced advanced F-16 aircraft and drone cameras from Canada.

Reverse Leverage and Blackmail Wins

The above article was written in December. Last Friday, Turkey approved Sweden joining NATO so the US Approves F-16 Sale to Turkey

Both Finland and Sweden had applied to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization security alliance after President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine heightened anxieties among Russia’s neighbors.

Yet while Finland has joined, Sweden’s bid languished after President Recep Tayyip Erdogan insisted Stockholm do more to crack down on supporters of separatist groups outlawed in Turkey,

Biden explicitly made Turkey’s approval of Sweden’s NATO membership a prerequisite for the sale of the F-16 jets and Erdogan has also linked the issues.

Graham’s Allegiances

https://twitter.com/LizLamb44385395/status/1751688380276986175?s=20

Two Questions of the Day

  • Why does the US illegally have troops in Syria?
  • Looking for a Major Escalation?

Senators Tom Cotton, Lindsey Graham, and John Cornyn show the way on question number two.

The WSJ quotes Senator Tom Cotton (R., Ark.) a member of the Senate armed services and intelligence committees. Cotton said the U.S. must respond to the attacks with “devastating military retaliation against Iran’s terrorist forces, both in Iran and across the Middle East.”

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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago

What the hell are US troops doing in Jordan?
Trying to support the Jordanian economy?

TomS
TomS
2 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker

Jordan has a peace treaty with Israel, so it makes sense to have some troops stationed there. I read where the Iranian done was able to slip stream behind one our drones returning either to that base or one in the vicinity, making it invisible to detection. Very smart on the part of the Islamic radicals.

I know your question was rhetorical, but the US has to station some number of troops in the middle east. A complete isolationist stance would be handing the world over to the Islamic terrorists.

FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker

….fighting for fiefdom and demockcrazy….

Hank
Hank
2 years ago

I miss the relative stability when Saddam and Gaddafi were in charge.

The CIA and US Govt created this shitstorm for the last 30+ years. And most REtarded americans are still stuck on stupid and just eat up the “brown man bad” nonsense. Fun isn’t it?

Alex
Alex
2 years ago
Reply to  Hank

It’s the zionist neocons that are at the center of it. They control both parties through bribes and graft. Their think tanks advice and control the foriegn policy of both parties.

https://www.e-ir.info/2014/05/26/the-impact-of-neoconservative-think-tanks-on-american-foreign-policy/

Thetenyear
Thetenyear
2 years ago

Biden has gotten himself into quite a pickle. The days of the hit and run missile strikes are long gone. Any retaliation by the US will result in an even greater escalation.

Let’s get the hell out of the middle east and protect our sovereignty for a change.

Thetenyear
Thetenyear
2 years ago

The United States has never had a problem getting into wars. It’s getting out of them that has been the problem. This one will be no different.

david
david
2 years ago
Reply to  Thetenyear

no this one will be different because the us and the west.will.face.a strategic defeat. American century is over.

Steve in TN
Steve in TN
2 years ago

This attack would never had happened under Trump. After Soleimani was terminated Iran became very quiet until Biden became president. Now Iran is back to it’s aggressive mode with no fear of weaklings like Biden & Blinken. Both are advocates of appeasement first.

TomS
TomS
2 years ago
Reply to  Steve in TN

Exactly! And Putin wouldn’t have gone into Ukraine.

But here we are with FJB in the WH and America in a pickle.

Do you escalate or do you turn and tuck tail and give Iran, China, Turkey, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc the middle east? Do you sell out Israel?

Neither is a good option, but the later sounds like “New America” which is what all these communist / socialists want us to become. The new America is devoid of any American exceptionalism and patriotism.

In their place is tribalism, where everyone is out for themselves.

Grey
Grey
2 years ago
Reply to  TomS

lol. The difference between republicans and far-right “patriots” with a capital C is vast. We’re looking out for our People of the US, and the Fox-news backed extremists want their own class to grow at the expense of the rest of our people. Zero self-awareness.

Directed Energy
Directed Energy
2 years ago

There’s a lot of money on the table for contractors willing to go over there and work. $20k/mo post tax isn’t unheard of.

Ockham's Razor
Ockham's Razor
2 years ago

American goverment looks bullied and terrified by the ayatollahs. Pathetic.
Biden and company are willing to give lunch money to Iran and come back sobbing to the White House.

Observer
Observer
2 years ago

From an article in the NYT just over a week ago

Biden administration officials have regularly debated the proper strategy. They do not want to let such attacks go without a response, but on the other hand do not want to go so far that the conflict would escalate into a full-fledged war, particularly by striking Iran directly. They privately say they may have no choice, however, if American troops are killed. That is a red line that has not been crossed, but if the Iranian-backed militias ever have a day of better aim or better luck, it easily could be.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/21/us/politics/us-militias-tipping-point.html?searchResultPosition=52

That was a not so subtle public warning to Iran, so there is a good chance the US will follow through and strike Iran directly.

Toutatis
Toutatis
2 years ago
Reply to  Observer

The only problem is that now Iran is able to strike also very hard. As with Hezbollah, the strategy is to use a large number of missiles with mobile launchers or distributed everywhere. This makes their destruction very difficult, and their large number makes anti-aircraft defense ineffective. This would be particularly deadly for Israel.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Observer

I was shot in the foot and I need reparations.
The fact that it happened while I was burglarizing your store needs no consideration.

Last edited 2 years ago by Lisa_Hooker
Alex
Alex
2 years ago

Why were Arizona National Guard over there protecting the borders of a foriegn country and not protecting the borders of Arizona?

Also I wouldn’t put it past Israel to pull a false flag, like they attempted on the USS Liberty or in the Lavon Affair. They are desperate and want to suckered the US into a wider war.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Alex

The Hamas attack was an Israeli false flag?? Are you saying it was Israel that attacked the American base??

Alex
Alex
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

No the Oct 7 attack was from Hamas, but many Israeli casualties were from friendly fire ( as is well established)..

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/11/27/israeli-tank-orders-fire-kibbutz/

Yes, I’m suggesting it is possible that Israel could commit a false flag against American troops. They have done it in the past. They want to widen the war an draw the US into it. Things are not going well for Netanyahu and his gang.

https://www.youtube.com/live/pvKJ6oFS7sE?si=N6zMVyFtu2tjMxvC

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Alex

Friendly fire is not a false flag.

TomS
TomS
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

Just stop listening to Alex. He’s an antisemite / Hamas apologist. We covered this about a month ago.

Alex
Alex
2 years ago
Reply to  TomS

Nay! I’m just against the war criminals.

TomS
TomS
2 years ago
Reply to  Alex

Nope. You’re an antisemite for sure, through and through.

Own it!

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

“Are you saying it was Israel that attacked the American base??”

No need for that. Some well intelligence support is all that is required.

Not saying I know they did. But Israeli intelligence has informants and contacts within pretty much every armed group larger than a nuclear family over there. And playing Americans for the suckers that they are, has been among Israel’s very favorite pastimes for decades by now.

But perhaps even the Israelis really are slipping now, as the latest Hamas breach could well indicate……. In that case; if even Israel can’t reliably stay on top of the pressure cooker any longer; America _really_ needs to get its people out of there and out of the way, before it’s too late: There’s got to be at least a 10-1 discrepancy in the capability of Israeli vs American intelligence gathering over there. If the Israelis are starting to lose control (not entirely unlikely, judging by their “cornered animal in full panic” conduct in Gaza) ; the Americans are so far out of the loop they may as well walk around blindfolded.

John Overington
John Overington
2 years ago

Americans in general have absolutely no idea what their government is up to – and care less. US troops around the world directly kill thousands of innocents indiscriminately and with no reaction from the US public. But when a lousy 3 American cowboys with guns get shot while illegally on foreign soil where they don’t belong, the MSM starts to pay attention. It’s good to be king.

Hank
Hank
2 years ago

🎯

Maximus Minimus
Maximus Minimus
2 years ago

According to US government and propaganda media, the U.S. is in Syria to fight ISIS. How come nobody pointed the finger at it?
It’s a puzzle, I can tell you.

Alex
Alex
2 years ago

Isn’t it funny how ISIS reappeared after Biden took office. ISIS was just one of the jihadi groups the US supported to try and overthrow Bahar al-Asaad.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Alex

You should asked the people in the region if they want ISIS back

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

ISIS doesn’t have any drones. Iran does. Logic.

Maximus Minimus
Maximus Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

But, but..Israel owns better drones, and is closer. My money is on Israel. Logic.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

Since with radar we saw the drones coming from further north in Syria I rather doubt that it was the Israelis. Logic. The drones could have come all the way from France too or maybe South Korea since you are fantasizing.

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago

Isis is our ally. Like Eurasia, they have always been our ally. It’s Iran who we are now at war with. Who we have always been at war with.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Stuki Moi

Many folks here have been too long at the Ministry of Truth.

Stu
Stu
2 years ago

Just to be sure I got this down correctly. I don’t want to be accused of not seeing the entire picture for what it is.

So Biden Inc. sends our U.S. Troops into foreign countries. And he does this, just so we can say we have troops over there? Then when the countries get pissed off because we have troops on their soil, they attack us to get us the heck out of their country. They also attack us because we are getting involved in something, that is actually none of our business. Did they ask us to come? No! Do they want us to stay? No! Do they need us there? No!

Hmm… if I am not mistaken Russia was having this same issue with Biden Inc. So Biden Inc. was sending our U.S. Troops into Ukraine on Russias border. And he does this, just so we can say we have troops over there? Then when Russia gets pissed off because we have troops on their border, which they asked us not to do. So they attack us to get us the heck off of their border (at least they care about borders). They also attack us because we are getting involved in something, that is actually none of our business. Did Russia ask us to come? No! Does Russia want us to stay? No! Does Russia need or want us there? No!

I also vaguely remember a situation in Afghanistan eerily similar to the Russia invasion if you will. A place we didn’t belong, but forced ourselves there. Then when we get attacked for it, and rightly so, we blame them and attack them and take over their country for awhile.

The diplomacy is simply overwhelming. The desire to work together with these countries brings tears to me eyes, it’s just so lovingly done.

Look how much Biden Inc. overwhelmingly cares for our own Citizens. Our Leadership brings us millions of undocumented, unwanted, un-American, uneducated, unskilled, and destitute foreigners all the time, as in Daily!!!
Literally millions upon millions of them, for us to pay for with money we don’t have, care for with medical needs we can’t afford for ourselves, feed them as our Citizens starve. Give them medical attention that we can’t even seem to get, educate them in our overcrowded schools, with our teacher shortages, give them housing meant for our Veterans and Citizens, give them money we don’t have, Etc. As the list is so much longer

HMK
HMK
2 years ago
Reply to  Stu

Regarding Afghanistan, I often wonder if we had not gotten involved with that and allying with Osama bin Laden would 911 have ever happened. As I recall the Afghans implored Russia to interven as the country was being beseiged by Islamic militants bent on overthrowinh the Afghan governemt. The Russians reluctantly intervened not only to help their allied neighbor but to prevent Islamic extremisms and terrorism form infiltrating into Russia through their common border. Interesting movie about that called Charlie Wilsons war, the very ending of that movie had a conversion that was a dim forboding.

Alex
Alex
2 years ago
Reply to  Stu

To summarize, your government hates you and uses you to do what the oligarchs want. And many are Zionist and want wars fought for Israel using US blood and treasure.

Hank
Hank
2 years ago
Reply to  Stu

🎯

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Stu

Well said.
I would add the American invasion and occupation of parts of Syria and the desire to overthrow the elected (however poorly) leader of that country.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

I doubt it is a good time to buy real estate in Dubai. Its foundations are built on sand.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
  • Why does the US illegally have troops in Syria?

Since it a couple of feet over the border from Jordan, it is a very convenient spot to launch operations against Iran proxy forces supporting the Syrian government and the remnants of ISIS. Without is then Iranian forces would be on Jordan’s border and would destabilize Jordan and turn it away from its peace with Israel into a Hamas-like entity so you could see its importance.

The base is legal by US law and illegal by Syrian law but Syria is in a civil war and many tribes and peoples there do not recognize Syria’s sovereignty. By that measure you could say that all homes built in the US are illegal because they are built on Indian land.

  • Looking for a Major Escalation?

I don’t think we are looking for a Major Escalation. We don’t want one but it looks we got one. All these crises cropping up are not an accident. I think we all can see that. Some countries think their time has come and follow in Putin’s footsteps. The next few years are going to be interesting.

Withdrawing into Fortress America while cutting the defense budget that would protect this fortress is probably not a good idea. It would mean abandoning our allies some of which have been allies for over a century and I don’t see the wisdom in that. Few would. It would be giving your enemies the manpower and resources to vanquish you.

Carlos F. Lam
Carlos F. Lam
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

To the contrary, I’d argue that after 70+ years of hegemony, “withdrawing” into Fortress America is EXACTLY what we need:

* Our allies have had ¾ of a century to get on their feet & bolster their defenses, both military & political: If they haven’t done so by now, I doubt that they ever will.

* Our federal debt is at ~120% of GDP & interest alone on the debt will be over $1 trillion this fiscal year, so our wherewithal to “protect” nation-states overseas has shrunk dramatically.

* Finally, why ask men & women — primarily from the working class — to fight, maybe become mained, and perhaps die to protect corrupt or failed states on the other side of the globe?

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Carlos F. Lam

We have a difference of opinion. Our allies should have put more by they are putting in much more now because they see the danger before them. I think that is more important than something they did not do but should have done but they are doing now.

Cutting the military budget would lower the Federal debt but cutting the defense budget undermines the possibility of making a Fortress America work.

In the 1930’s no one wanted to send troops to Europe and certainly not the Pacific. The population was dead set against it so something must have happened around 1939-1940 to change their minds. Do you know what changed their minds?

RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

What danger before them? McCain was not in Ukraine on a vacation. He was meddling in a sovereign country. None of what is happening in Ukraine happened before Yanukovich was overthrown, not by Putin.

If the 1914 Christmas truce soldiers would have forced an end to WW1, Hitler wouldn’t have been sent to spy on the Nazi Party afterward, resulting in him joining them, then working to take control over them. Interesting how history unfolds from previous events that people react to.

As Goering said, it is easy to drag the public into a war.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ

The Christmas Truce is widely used and an example but if there had been a truce, Germany would have been left with over a quarter of France. How do you solve that?
As Goering said, it is easy to drag the public into a war but you can also say that you can convince a people to capitulate without war. Goering was the worst leader you could ever have for an airforce sort of like the one leading Russia’s airforce.

FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

Congratulations, you have transcended yourself in talking bullshit tonight….which is quite a feat actually since you have always been pretty good at it ….

FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ

both world wars were triggered by a trigger happy drunkard named Winston Churchill !

Carlos Lam
Carlos Lam
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

Yeah, FDR cut off oil & scrap metal exports to Japan in 1940-41, all the while knowing that it was a major provocation. Then, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, which FDR used to push the nation into war.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Carlos Lam

You forgot why. Japan had invaded China and had gone full Hamas on the population there. I suppose you would not see that as an impediment to business.

Toutatis
Toutatis
2 years ago

Al-Tanf is Syrian territory illegally occupied by the US. It is normal and justified for Syrian patriots to attack the invaders.

Adam Tencent
Adam Tencent
2 years ago
Reply to  Toutatis

America owns the world; therefore, there is no territory illegally occupied by the U.S., except territories illegally occupied by terrorists. An attack on a U.S. soldier is an attack on President Biden. Therefore, war with Iran is now justified.

Jim4117
Jim4117
2 years ago
Reply to  Adam Tencent

Total war now!

Hank
Hank
2 years ago
Reply to  Adam Tencent

Adam go enlist and make it happen then you arrogant ass

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Adam Tencent

blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago

It is already a proxy war. A retaliatory strike would be one on Iranian forces in Syria. Striking Tehran directly would only escalate things. Many here want it both ways but that isn’t possible. Republicans blame Biden no matter what happens so it’s hard to take what they say at face value.

Ryan
Ryan
2 years ago

Yeah weird that they would blame the guy responsible for deploying troops when he deploys them to places they have no business being and wind up getting killed.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

Yes it’s odd US troops would be near a US base.

JRM
JRM
2 years ago

A illegal military base!!

The sovereign country of SYRIA never gave permission for US or its allied forces to come on to its territory!!!

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

Very odd indeed!

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

Blaming Biden is just politics. Would this have happened under Trump? That is a question impossible to answer. Myself I have to say I don’t know. This has been in the works for a long time and one man probably could not have stopped it.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

Which makes me wonder if Americans would be here under Kissinger.
Of course Americans would be here under Albright or Clinton, no question.

Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago

Just nuke Iran and get it over with. Let Russia &China know first that we will be making a limited nuke attack on them.

Stu
Stu
2 years ago

The U.S. is rarely, drawn into a war. The U.S. is far more apt, to be involved in a war, and that is largely due to U.S. behavior, placing us into a position to become part of a war.

Last I checked, Israel was in the Middle East. I think they are Nuclear armed. I am nearly certain that they are one of our more favored allies too.

Hmm… maybe we could support Israel a bit more and in more ways. Maybe move nearly all, or even all of the rest of our troops, out of the Middle East. Just thinking outside the box here…

eighthman
eighthman
2 years ago

There is always one answer to the question, “how long can this go on?”. Until it can’t go on any longer. The fall of the US will be the greatest event of our lives whether you’re 7 or 70. Out of control debt, endless wars, social decay and a failed political system. We seem to be like some ancient Greek play in which the actors cannot escape fate.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  eighthman

It can go on longer than you think. I saw a report saying g the US has about 20 years before they get to Japan levels of debt. And then debt can be monetized. There is really no end. After 2008, I really believe things can go on longer than most think because everything has been institutionalized.

Ryan
Ryan
2 years ago

This incorrectly assumes that because Japan has not imploded yet that we would not face trouble until we hit a similar level. Given there is no magic number for debt levels it could be 130% or 250%. Best not to get to levels where it’s even possible, but we seem hell bent on finding exactly how many trillions it will take to kick off a crisis.

Bernanke_Airdrop
Bernanke_Airdrop
2 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

The Soviet Union shambled on for decades.

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago

“The Soviet Union shambled on for decades”

And their American counterpart for even longer….

J K
J K
2 years ago

Our government is out of control. Not now, but for decades. Starting wars all around the world and military bases as well. It’s no wonder we are in debt when we spend almost 1 TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR on defense. These SOB’s can care less about all the illegals that come over for cheap labor for companies, yet we have American welfare bums standing on corners and propagating children that will just repeat the welfare cycle. The American citizen then pays the welfare costs for the illegal so employers get two breaks: cheap labor and healthcare paid by the state. This country is not going to make it. There has to be term limits in place for Congress and I’d rather see the government give a flat amount of money for campaigning than being bought by donors. These people are bought by the MIC amongst others. You can lop off a few billions off the defense budget and let them use that for campaigning.

rando comment guy
rando comment guy
2 years ago
Reply to  J K

$1T on the defense budget, but the smallest force since WWII. They already pulled 5,000 troops who had separated back into the military for a deployment to Europe months ago because the Active Duty force didn’t have the troops to support even that small surge.

Tom Bergerson
Tom Bergerson
2 years ago
Reply to  J K

Term limits would solve very many problems. I havae always thought that when future historians look back and describe what killed the US, lack of term limits would play a prominent role

I also think that someone who has never raised children should not be allowed to ascend to high office, like Lindsey Graham

KGB
KGB
2 years ago

Expect an army of affirmative action perverts to lose bigly. Accept the loss or reward merit and competence like Iran. Our boy Lloyd never was the sharpest tool in the shed. After radical prostate butchery he can’t walk, pee, think, or make love. Tactics and strategy are the last thing on his mind.

rjd1955
rjd1955
2 years ago

If we didn’t put US troops in harm’s way, in every corner of the globe, we wouldn’t be in these situations.

Maximus Minimus
Maximus Minimus
2 years ago

Jordan’s border with Syria is well protected by US military. If anybody tried to cross, would be gunned down.
However, the borders of the entire West, whether with Mexico or the Mediterranean are open and unprotected.
It is as if by design.

Norbert
Norbert
2 years ago

It’s the only way they can get Jesus to come back.

N C
N C
2 years ago

Drawn in? That supposes Biden and the neocons have at least some reluctance. They have wanted war with Iran for years and Biden is foolish enough to oblige.

Old Jarhead
Old Jarhead
2 years ago

And we have troops there because? Because we did so well the last umpteen times?
For the last 60 plus years our military deployments have been one giant fuck-up after another. Even in 1991 we wouldn’t finish the job. I don’t trust the current batch of war-profiteering politicians any further than the rest of them. To quote one of the idiotic excuse makers “But at this point what difference does it make?”

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago
Reply to  Old Jarhead

“And we have troops there because?”

Because troops and weapons is all “we” have left.
Same reason Wagner; from that other has-been superpower; is all over Africa.

At absolutely anything other than war-making and destruction (and Hip Hop I suppose…), China is beating both former “superpowers” 10-1 and increasing.

Arthur Fully
Arthur Fully
2 years ago

My first reaction when Biden descended to the Presidency was “he’s probably going to get an aircraft carrier sunk.” But the thought disappeared into the haze because I couldn’t see how dopey Joe could possibly arrange that. Now the anti-ship missiles and his gut level reaction to this event are making the picture clearer.

rando comment guy
rando comment guy
2 years ago
Reply to  Arthur Fully

But…but…the adults are back in charge!

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Arthur Fully

Wasn’t it the right that was screaming at Trump to get out of foreign entanglements and wars ? What no understands is that eventually the bombs fall on US soil. I’d still rather fight anyone overseas than here. Most people here still think 9/11 was staged.

Truthseeker
Truthseeker
2 years ago

I’m a 79 year old Marine, so let’s go let’s kick some ass! Tell Iran to back off or your oilfields are going to be lit up with the glow that will cause your testicles to inflame beyond the evils of your buddies Hamas, people who are subhuman!

N C
N C
2 years ago
Reply to  Truthseeker

Typical mindless warmongering. My father and uncle were Marines (Korea and Viet Nam) and they want nothing to do with this nonsense. But go ahead and pound the table for war. Just don’t complain when gas is 10$ per gallon.

Truthseeker
Truthseeker
2 years ago
Reply to  N C

Listen you dumbass, asshole, I’m not a warmongering kind of guy, I’m a realist who understands human nature. I’m certainly not a Trump supporter, but Trump’s personality was so crazy, so outrageous, so unpredictable that Putin would have never invaded the Ukraine, Hamas would have never made moves on Israel had Trump still been President, outrageous, narcissistic love of himself in the news that was I admit a real deterrent against war.

HMK
HMK
2 years ago
Reply to  Truthseeker

You might want to read David Stockmans recent article on Iran, quite eye opening. Are you Lindsey Graham’s brother? If you are tell him he needs to retire he is a neocon ahole just for starters.

TomS
TomS
2 years ago
Reply to  HMK

And, no, there is not a sinister monster state in Iran behind all of the commotion, either. Iran poses zero threat to America’s homeland security. Period. It has no missiles capable of reaching the US and has no nukes at all, and would never get any had the Orange Man not cancelled the 2015 nuclear agreement that Tehran was fully complying with.”

To Hell With Fighting the Houthis! By David Stockman posted on Antiwar.com
What a crock of BULLSH!T! There is NO greater sinister country on earth than Iran. It’s been known by the IAEA that Iran has been enriching uranium near 90% (plutonium) for a year now, and it would be absolutely idiotic to think they’re nuke designs haven’t been reviewed & signed off on by NK who has tested 6 devices. It’s much more likely that they already have them, even as early as 2017 and were simply waiting on enriching enough uranium. They’ve had clandestine sites that the IAEA probably knows about but have never been able to inspect. And that’s best case scenario.

I’m not wanting FJB to invade Iran, but with what could be at least 100 Islamic terrorists running around in the US due to open borders, then to even suggest Iran is not threat to the US is just utterly brain dead.

David Stockman is a Hamas loving, ant-American dog.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  TomS

I would appreciate your explaining about enriching plutonium.

ajc1970
ajc1970
2 years ago
Reply to  Truthseeker

People are taking your sarcasm seriously. It’s sad when you need to include the “/s”

Commenter
Commenter
2 years ago
Reply to  Truthseeker

Future historians will not be kind to your generation. You sold your grandchildren into slavery before they were even born and now you want them to go die thousands of miles away so you can keep stealing from their grandchildren

Truthseeker
Truthseeker
2 years ago
Reply to  Truthseeker

It’s too bad so many share this sentiment. Back in the 60’s during the Viet Nam war, I was in the Marine Corps where I was taught, among many other things, how to kill the enemy in an extremely violent fashion as a deterrent of intimidation. Way back in WW1, the Marines developed such a bad ass reputation, they became known as “Devil Dogs”, so thereafter, whenever turmoil broke out in the world, the threat to send in the Marines would more often than not calm down all those crazy fuckers!

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
2 years ago
Reply to  Truthseeker

Show them who is boss, just like we did in Iraq and Vietnam. Don’t these guys ever learn, this attitude is why America is universally hated.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
2 years ago
Reply to  Truthseeker

And it’s one, two, three, what are we fightin’ for.
Don’t ask me I don’t give a damn,
Next stop is good ‘ole Iran.

We ain’t got time to wonder why,
Whoopee we’re all goin’ to die.
.

Last edited 2 years ago by Lisa_Hooker
Hank
Hank
2 years ago

Let’s hear from the self appointed “scientist” about his emotional concern and extreme hand wringing over “Trump being near the nuclear football”

😂🤣😂😂

….. Paging doctor BLAKSTAD. Where you at pards? Give us some of that science n data n stuff on FJB and his near WWIII at least 3x in the last 2 years. You must not be able to sleep at this point knowing that child sniffing mush brain is even in the same zip code as the nuke football. Amirite doc?

Sunriver
Sunriver
2 years ago

A little America in every Country across the globe. We own the world after all. What could possibly go wrong?

Avery2
Avery2
2 years ago
Reply to  Sunriver

DOD is owner of the most golf courses in the world, but the sand traps are murder!

david
david
2 years ago

Biden cares about 3 dead soldiers than tens of thousands Palestinians who have died

TomS
TomS
2 years ago
Reply to  david

I sure hope so.

Tim
Tim
2 years ago

We once had a president who wanted to dissolve the NATO-War-Factory(tm).
Whatever happened to him?

Goldguy
Goldguy
2 years ago

The Neocons including Biden want war. America has never voted out a president when Americans were in a major war.

TomS
TomS
2 years ago
Reply to  Goldguy

Trust me. If ***FJB*** starts a new war, he’s cooked.

Woodsie Guy
Woodsie Guy
2 years ago
Reply to  TomS

In my view Biden already is cooked. This election was Biden’s to lose. He’s done virtually everything wrong to ensure that he is relected. Barring some crazy development, Trump wins in November. Tha’s not an endorsement of Trump, just calling it like I see it.

Last edited 2 years ago by Woodsie Guy
Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Woodsie Guy

It’s only January.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  TomS

Okay FTomS.

TomS
TomS
2 years ago

Nice!

babelthuap
babelthuap
2 years ago

I retired from the reserves in 14′. I would have stayed in but I saw where this was going. The tipping point was the evals were based off pier opinions. Nonsense. If your piers are of low moral character then what? FYI most good officers are disliked because they force people to do things they would not normally want to do like passing a fitness test. I tried to enforce standards and got attacked. Enough. I refuse to serve people who value gluttony and laziness over fitness and discipline. One of the best decisions I ever made. Look at them now. A pathetic bunch of weak sycophants.

J K
J K
2 years ago
Reply to  babelthuap

But the brainwashed American moron wants our military fighting everywhere. Especially if it’s not their kid-both politician and citizen. Do you see Biden, Trump’s, Obama’s, and Bush’s kids in the military? There is a reason they cheer for the military. Their kids don’t have to go, but yours will. Very clever. If there is a draft then you will see how the lemmings will whine. Most deserve to have their kids enlisted since they were silent for years and just rah-rah’d wars around the globe while other suffered.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  babelthuap

It’s “peers” and not “piers”.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

Please go away.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
2 years ago
Reply to  babelthuap

I served 68-70, not a happy time for most of us. However, we were mostly college grads and definitely fit. We had to do pullups to enter the mess hall. Americans today are sickly, fat and entitled. btw-I still do my pushups every morning, I’m 79 in June.

Victoria "the Hutt" Nuland
Victoria "the Hutt" Nuland
2 years ago
Reply to  babelthuap

The three that got killed in the attack looked like they are McDonald’s supersized meals, four meals per day.

LM2020
LM2020
2 years ago

The minute we hitched our wagon to Netanyahu we got involved in a war. The only way out is to end the conflict in Gaza.

TomS
TomS
2 years ago
Reply to  LM2020

Who exactly was he supposed to hitch our wagon to? Hamas?

N C
N C
2 years ago
Reply to  TomS

How about neutrality? Seems to work great for the Swiss and was the recommendation from Thomas Jefferson.

TomS
TomS
2 years ago
Reply to  N C

Hamas are subhuman dogs. How exactly is neutrality going to keep Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, China, Russia at bay?

It’s not, and you know it. Again, we wouldn’t be in this situation if Trump was president. We’re in this situation because FJB is such a weak person. I don’t even want to call him president, because he’s not. His machine stole the election and Obama is the real president.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  N C

Impactable.

Neal
Neal
2 years ago
Reply to  LM2020

And the only way to end the conflict in Gaza is for the IDF to not fight according to Queensbury rules or the Geneva Convention. Execute every captured Hamas member and their family members until they are exterminated. That is no different to what Hamas would do if they had the chance. History shows this harsh method works better than allowing a problem to fester

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago
Reply to  Neal

“Execute every captured Hamas member and their family members until they are exterminated.”

Makes about as much sense as executing the family of everyone associated with the US military, over Abu Ghraib. Hamas is much more than a terror organization in Gaza. Most “members” are just government functionaries.

But yeah, they sure do have some less savory dudes in their ranks.

For Israel to retain any form of moral high ground; they would need to be very discriminate about whose families they exterminated. Exterminating mere family members of “bad guys,” is already a tough sell; particularly in the West. But as you hint at, that may well be about the most efficient deterrence against martyr-cultists who couldn’t care less about their own life. If they knew full and well that the lives of their wife and kids and parents were also fair game…. Perhaps being a martyr doesn’t seem so appealing.

But instead of bothering with anything so thought through: Israel has instead gone about willy-nilly carpet bombing pretty much everyone in Gaza, _except_ members of Hamas’ military wing. Simply because going after the latter, who are prepared for a fight; is a harder target than simply bombing residential neighborhoods at effective random. Then attempting to make up for the obvious-to-all imprecision by pretending every Palestinian male is some sort of evil “warrior.”

Dumb people in The West and elsewhere, very well may be easier duped by “war footage”-style random bombing; than by selectively rounding up family members of proven “terrorists” and then executing them. After all, the latter looks “cruel” on Tik-Tok and all (probably is cruel, but cruel is kind of the point of war..). But the end result is that Israel has now ended up with only a fraction, if any, of the deterrence; despite having killed, maimed and displaced between 10 and 1000 times as many people; compared to what a more intelligently targeted campaign would have. All because they feel compelled to cater to dump people’s particular preferences as pertains to televised violence.

rando comment guy
rando comment guy
2 years ago

The only border that matters for the citizenry in the US is our own southern border. Washington DC cares about every border except our own; inexcusable.

David Olson
David Olson
2 years ago

Don’t underestimate slow Joe Biden’s ability to avoid going to war with Iran. The tough balancing act will be avoiding it, and winning re-election. Jimmy Carter couldn’t do it. Will Jimmy live long enough to see whether slow Joe can do it?

Meanwhile, contemplate, “The quickest way to end a war is to lose it.” – George Orwell.

atryingshepherd
atryingshepherd
2 years ago

The Biden presidency has destabilized the world.
81,000,000 people voted for this.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago

Yeah it was very stable before him. Yeah ok.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

Very stable with only peace and love everywhere.

Don Jones
Don Jones
2 years ago

Here we go. MORE MIC spending. This is ALL about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

rando comment guy
rando comment guy
2 years ago
Reply to  Don Jones

Do they debut the, “I Stand With Jordan,” forever war campaign tomorrow on CNN? 🙂

RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago

“The US claims the servicemen were at the Tower 22 site in Jordan while Jordan says it was on Al-Tanf base in Syria.”

So who is telling the truth? With all the government disinformation these days, i can’t assume who is being honest. NDAA 2013 stated that the government can propagandize to the American people. Is Seymour Hirsch on the case yet?

Hank
Hank
2 years ago

Just think….. if “we” weren’t there, they would still be alive and all would be good

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
2 years ago

Iran may be acting as a proxy for China or Russia.

rando comment guy
rando comment guy
2 years ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

So…a proxy within a proxy!

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

wrapped in a proxy.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

But this is all Biden’s fault.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

May??? Is!

matt3
matt3
2 years ago

What I have read is the troops were in Syria near the Jordan border. We continually station troops in places they don’t belong. It seems like we use our troops as bait, Then we hope for an action that will allow us to respond. What a waste of fine young people.

Last edited 2 years ago by matt3
HMK
HMK
2 years ago
Reply to  matt3

Exactly my first thought when I heard this. Why the hell are we over there to begin with

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago

A proportional strike would be at Iranian forces in the mideast but not directly in Iran.

N C
N C
2 years ago

How many civilian deaths would he acceptable in that scenario?

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  N C

I said Iranian forces. Implying non civilians or 3rd party groups fighting with Iran.

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago

“I said Iranian forces. Implying non civilians or 3rd party groups fighting with Iran.”

Just like Israels precision targeting of “Hamas targets” in Gaza,….

Webej
Webej
2 years ago

The only language the USA understands is the language of force.

Whenever anybody says this, it means they are trying to legitimate their own predilection for violence.

Hank
Hank
2 years ago
Reply to  Webej

Weber “gets it”. Well done

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago
Reply to  Webej

“….the USA understands is…….”

Now aren’t we being generous ……

Naphtali
Naphtali
2 years ago

The United States is already in a major war. It is a war of financial attrition and it is losing.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Naphtali

Not really. Stop comparing apples to inedible things. No one looks at the books for China or any other country and judges it the same way as the US.

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago
Reply to  Naphtali

“The only language the USA understands is the language of force.”

Hence why distracting from that, by getting its captive media and pliable indoctrinati to pay attention to all manners of other, smaller, wars, is sooooooo attractive.

TomS
TomS
2 years ago

Honestly, I could get stoked about 20 F22s & F35s striking targets inside Iran. It’s about time we see what these planes can do.

Gotta wonder how many more escalations it will take for Iran to unleash terrorist attacks on US soil?

***FJB*** is a weak, feckless leader that is owned by China and by extension Iran. The 10M illegals which of course includes an unknown number of Islamic terrorists has him & the equally worst ever JCS Austin boxed into a corner.

Victor
Victor
2 years ago
Reply to  TomS

amen brother

N C
N C
2 years ago
Reply to  TomS

I despise Biden and the neocons, but this isn’t a game and F22s aren’t toys. How about we get our servicemen out of those craphole countries and avoid all this nonsense in the first place?

TomS
TomS
2 years ago
Reply to  N C

Okay, why do we have F22s. then?

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  TomS

Okay FTomS. You blame Biden no matter what he does. Clearly a Trump proxy here. It’s going to be funny when the script gets flipped this summer.

TomS
TomS
2 years ago

No. I blame FJB for exactly the same reasons any good conservative would. He’s a total failure as a president.

Avery2
Avery2
2 years ago

Which state is Jordan in again – Texas or Illinois?

TomS
TomS
2 years ago
Reply to  Avery2

Not getting the humor. Sorry I missed it, but Jordan is the Palestinian state where all the Gazan’s should be forced to move to.

Webej
Webej
2 years ago
Reply to  TomS

Why Palestinians?
Why not Americans?

TomS
TomS
2 years ago
Reply to  Webej

Because something like 90% of the Gazan’s support the Hamas dogs.

That’s why! You’re an Islamic apologist for asking such a dumb question.

N C
N C
2 years ago
Reply to  TomS

Because anyone you disagree with is an “apologist”. Got it.

TomS
TomS
2 years ago
Reply to  N C

Anyone who makes apologies for the Hamas dogs and the Gazan’s that support them are apologist. Yes, that’s a fact.

Victoria "the Hutt" Nuland
Victoria "the Hutt" Nuland
2 years ago
Reply to  TomS

Israel and the USA backed Hamas. The base that got attacked was a US training area for Sunni militias.

AdamSmith
AdamSmith
2 years ago

Not until July, maybe August. The only way for FJB the oatmeal brain, kid sniffing, compromised, corrupt, Commie to win is to be a wartime president.

David C
David C
2 years ago
Reply to  AdamSmith

Nah, Orange Mussolini is busy self-destructing right in front of our eyes. He’s clearly losing it…the Reps need to Man UP and pick someone who could actually win in November…and not be in jail.

RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  David C

Trump can win in November. It is the Democrats who are losing it, attacking democracy in an attempt to defeat him. Reps did pick Trump. It’s Democrats, such as Reid Hoffman that want Halley to be the Rep nominee, so that he can help defeat her in November.

By the way, it was Biden that mandated Covid shots, something a Mussolini would do.

TomS
TomS
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ

Trump would have never mandated the shots, that’s for sure. He was lied to by the greedy Fauci. I can’t blame him for wanting to go big on developing the shots. It would have been VERY interesting to see how things would have been different had Trump won. Well, my bad. He really won ; ) ; ) ; )

Last edited 2 years ago by TomS
Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  David C

Yep. People are gonna be in shock the more he talks. Hopefully the republican delegates wise up.

TomS
TomS
2 years ago
Reply to  AdamSmith

Good points. I hope we’re around to get to vote in November. This could start to go sideways quickly over the coming weeks.

Goldguy
Goldguy
2 years ago
Reply to  TomS

After what happened to Trump last time around, voting is a joke. Counting the ballots on the other hand is not a joke…

N C
N C
2 years ago
Reply to  Goldguy

Stalin understood that, just like his ideological descendents on the left in America.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
2 years ago
Reply to  Goldguy

Everything is a scam isn’t it. Have you actually measured if the gold you buy is pure. You probably got scammed and don’t even know it. And this is all Biden’s fault !!

TomS
TomS
2 years ago

I’m not sure about gold scams, but the 2020 election was the biggest scam of all.

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