Was presumption of guilt for carrying a gun, by Republicans, on your bingo card?
Secretary of Treasury Bessent. “I am sorry that this gentleman is dead, but he did bring a 9mm semi-automat weapon to what was supposed to be a peaceful protest.“
Who’s Who?
How Vance Was Selected
FBI Director Kash Patel on the Right to Bear Arms
Patel: “You cannot bring a firearm, loaded, with multiple magazines to any sort of protest that you want. It’s that simple.“
The Audacity
Just a Slogan
Amazing Lies
Peaceful Protests
Right to Bring Guns to a Protest or Not?
NRA Calls for an Investigation
Lies, Who Cares?
How Far We Have Fallen
Not Your Imagination, Trump Is Getting More Extreme Over Time, Here’s Why
Please note Not Your Imagination, Trump Is Getting More Extreme Over Time, Here’s Why
Narcissism. Five Reasons why it tends to get more extreme with age.
The possession of a Conceal carry permit does not give you the right to break laws while carrying. The training the holders get is very clear on avoiding conflict and deescalation. Taking a gun to a protest or confrontation with police is a death wish and ever permit holder knows that. I have 0 sympathy for this unwise individual. There is no such thing as white privilege when confronting police with a weapon (knife, car, gun, bat, etc.). I have 0 sympathy for him, he should have known better.
lol, 15 people online railing about this isn’t most 2a supporters, but i can see how it would seem that way…. if you live online and don’t talk with anyone.
This moron had every right to carry. He had the right to be a moron. He did not have the right to interfere with LEOs.
Just because you have the right to do something doesn’t mean it’s a good choice. That some don’t understand this is remarkable. Mass stupidity has overtaken rational thinking and good judgement.
Moron or not, his actions most certainly don’t merit him having been executed by the ICE agents.
Executed? Nah, he got shot. He FAFO’d. I do feel badly for his family, though. Like many of these ‘protestors’, he had poor judgement
Looks like an execution. They were pissed, so they put him on ground and shot, 10 times.
So you know what they were thinking? You’re a mind reader now.
Anyone still supporting this administration is beyond hope. Only degenerate dead enders and Nazis remain.
In the future, no one will have supported this. But I will remember.
Where’s Aldo Raine when we need him?
nobody cares.
The part you don’t understand is I will remember along with millions of other Americans, and millions more around the world.
lol, ok phil. Take your meds.
Nothing good has come out of NYC since the 19th century.
Harlem Renaissance, hip hop, salsa, disco, new wave etc etc etc
Plenty good stuff. Trump was a cancer on the city just like he is on the nation.
hip-hop & disco are NOT “good”….they’re signs of a degenerate culture….
Did not have “NRA insisting the Feds are investigated for a gun crime against a peaceful protestor” on my 2026 bingo card, but here we are.
Amazing how many right wingers don’t care if people are murdered for doing nothing wrong, just because the victim thinks differently than they do.
They aren’t conservatives. They’re pigs.
That moment when the Donald convinces freedom loving, small government conservatives to support a police state.
This is an old ploy. The goal is that the Donald will amass personal power by inciting an ethos of violence, which is not too hard in the US, by splitting the populace into factions, not necessarily into open civil war, sufficing to establish the mood.
FWIW, the Gestapo like ICE excites the Donald’s base. Many MAGA adherents are disillusioned and offer only partial and qualified support, stopping at the wanton aggressiveness and violence stateside and abroad. But the small radical MAGA base seems quite ignited by owning the libs at the level of a pistol to the back of the neck while kneeling.
As Hitler showed, his Brown Shirts were enough to shut up opposing voices. He was elected with a minority of some 30% of the votes, but he had amassed personal power in prior years disproportional to the vote count, thanks to the terror campaign by the SA, in the party and at large. The rest is history, rhyming yet again.
Sorry, but Hitler was first APPOINTED, not “elected”….
The GOP is dead. It has been taken over by the MAGA trailer park crowd. We now have to create a real conservative party. This will give the Democrats a strong advantage for a few election cycles, but it must be done if the nation is to ever have a long-term future. The goal will have to be to split the Democrats too. Bring in reasonable, moderate Democrats. As the rest of the Democratic party moves further to the left, the more moderate ones will join with conservatives. It can be done, we just need a well-known, respected (by both parties) conservative to lead the effort.
As a Democrat, the last thing I want to do is elect corporate do nothings to appease former Trump voters. I’m done voting for “, moderates”.
I respect other folk’s views as long as they are intelligently presented, which yours usually are. I’m happy to respectfully agree to disagree as we may not share some values.
F**k the Uniparty
In an ideal scenario this ushers in one or more relevant “third parties” but let’s not hold our breath now.
We need to review our party process. We only allow two which is the problem… We need to reverse this so pretty much anybody who wants to form a political party can.
Now you say that because right now I don’t think a lot of people want the Democrats in office either. They don’t have a plan. Nobody has a plan. We are rudderless
Our two party system is a result of how our voting system works. Only one person can win a vote and ends up representing an entire district. This style of voting always leads to a two-party system. Here’s an idea: Take 3 adjacent voting districts and make them one. But send the top 3 vote getters from the district to Congress. Changes everything.
I wonder what the average new yorker is thinking now that mamdani has had a few weeks to show the voters what he wants to do.
Has anyone mentioned whether or not the nurse had a round in the chamber.
I haven’t found anything.
The ignorance of most non-veteran Americans regarding firearms is amazing.
Just say’in.
Irrelevant, he never attempted to pull the gun out.
A lot of people carry concealed, many with a round chambered.
Holstered, so how does it really matter? It’s not more or less justified if the chamber is full or empty. I guess if you are saying if it was empty that’s even more proof of their cold-blooded intent to murder. But again, proof is already there without this.
The pigs clearly did.
The police carry a round in the chamber. Almost all firearm training teaches to carry a round in the chamber. I have a CCW license in California (where it is relatively more difficult to obtain than in most other states) and all the classroom training and the range training supported a round in the chamber. In fact if you didn’t have a round in the chamber one would find it difficult to pass the range test where you were timed with a holstered handgun to hit within the target a certain number of rounds at different distances.
After they disarmed him, they didn’t check before pumping 10 rounds into him. Should they have? How would a veteran have decided to kill a fellow American?
Why would it matter?
Does the existence of a round in the chamber determines whether or not you’re a domestic terrorist or one of the maga terrorists?
Carrying cocked and locked is a bit more aggressive than an empty chamber requiring you to rack the slide. And it saves a second or two when those seconds just might be very valuable.
The advantage of double-action revolvers.
It’s a valid question.
I am sure the answer will be disclosed after a FULL investigation /s
There are also DA/SA 9mm automatics.
Americans will not be safe until all the plebs have been disarmed and made completely and totally vulnerable. /sarc
Funny how some folks can’t live without absolutist views.
Absolutely positively!
The craziest thing here is that if this guy had NOT been armed with a loaded pistol, the Republicans outraged at the 2A implications would not be speaking out.
they’d be perfectly ok with it if they shot an unarmed man, but not an armed man.
A Washington Post video analysis clearly shows that agents secured Pretti’s legally-owned firearm before executing him. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2026/01/25/minneapolis-shooting-video-gun/
Note also that at no time during the interaction did Pratti threaten the agents with his firearm (or even display it), despite what DHS Barbie or others from the administration may claim.
They know most people who support Trump and hate brown people are too stupid, lazy, or both to bother fact checking Noem.
Ideology is taking over the law and constitution. Both parties are the same. Nowadays leading Republicans and many GOP voters are happy to spit on law and constitution blaming Alex Pretti. What about DEI and BLM and sending an innocent white policeman to prison for life? That was blatant desregard for law by Democrats. Common sense is evaporating, commonly shared values are getting extinct.
pro tip. this very evil empire has been crumbling for decades. just near the end, now. we have been bombing the poorest parts of the world for a few shekels for C suites of wall street and MIC. the currency is going to junk. like italian lira or zimbabwe. the uniparty of violent twats are going to reap their desires. a civil war and a world war at the same time. have a nice day.
Trump’s admin creates a paramilitary force now executing protestors
You : Both sides are the same 🙁
lol, you said nothing when obama used the same people to deport. hypocrisy is hilarious when folks like you don’t even pretend to hide it.
Um, the Democrats used the American judicial system and due process to go after a policeman who killed a non-violent American. The Republicans used the police to summarily execute multiple non-violent Americans and went after their reputations. Both parties are exactly the opposite.
Bullshit, exactly one side is to blame for this. That both sides are the same shit is either Russian psy op or sad attempts at face saving by disgruntled Republicans.
Who’s the innocent white policeman that went to prison for life? I must have missed that.
If your European and kept your citizenship I would be packing up and getting the hell out of the US, I thank my stars that I declined an opportunity to live and work Stateside.
Get out while you still can.
i concur
ciao! Enjoy London!
I’m confident the rabble here will enjoy this post:
I generally find arguments about “hypocrisy” lame. Can’t we just say this was a totally unjustified shooting and prosecute the shooter without delving into the mindset and hypocrisy of other people? This “gotcha” (caught you committing hypocrisy) argumentation is juvenile.
Well, they do keep carrying on about it…
Disagree. Hypocrisy tells us more about people than just about any action they might take. Hypocrisy shows us who people really are, so we know how to judge their comments in the future. The second someone shows hypocrisy on an issue, you can know they are either a liar or an idiot, and treat them accordingly.
Fair enough. Politicians and political actors who stand on principle are as rare as hen’s teeth. They are curiosities. Let’s not waste a lot of time issuing accusations of hypocrisy. It detracts from succinct analysis. That’s my opinion anyway. With that and $5 you can get a cup of coffee.
In the realm of American politics regarding Democrats and Republicans, I agree that hypocrisy arguments are usually ridiculous. When the parties switch sides on an issue, which happens often, they always point the finger at the other side and scream hypocrisy. The part they never mention is their own party’s hypocrisy on the exact same issue. Happens over and over again.
Principled people don’t change their views because ‘the other side’ suddenly uses that view to support their position.
I wasn’t a huge fan of the Libertarian presidential candidate last cycle, but I voted for him anyway since I was at the polls already. My conscience is clean as always.
I voted for the least crazy: Kanye.
bully bully. i have done the same for decades. libertarians and sometimes greens for the federal offices, always. voted ralph nader in 2020. in SC. too bad it wasn’t FL. scotus stopping the vote count was the rubicon. 9.11.01 was the barbarians in the gates. the rest is eyewash. trump is nero. for the nerds among us. we have had presidents seated when some states could not get their acts together to send the slate of electors to NYC, Philadelphia or DC in past 250 years. a fact most ignored in 2020. we did NOT need Florida to get their act together to seat a potus.
I agree, you can never go wrong voting for someone who is principled and has integrity. The myth that voting for someone who is neither D or R is ‘throwing away your vote’ is silly. Your vote only makes a difference in a Presidential election if it changes the vote in your state AND if the change in your state’s electoral votes (resulting from your vote) changes the national vote. The odds are similar to winning the lottery AND getting struck by lightning simultaneously. Just vote for who you believe in.
I’m sorry to say but we are locked into a two-party system and until that is changed, by the two parties, we’re not going to get better
Good piece. And it raises a question whether there is any traditional Republican value favoring individual rights that this administration’s lickspittles won’t toss aside.
If Trump can put trigger-happy goon squads on the street without any GOP complaints, what will the communist Dems feel they’re licensed to do?
Well John, Americans are brainwashed to think that this method of dividing their country into winner-takes-all regions (and the resulting two-party system) is “democracy”. And then there is this belief that the two parties are soooo different… They’re two wings of the same vulture and if you don’t see that, you’re bound to keep voting on either, and… maybe you’re part of the problem?
bingo. winner.
Well said, Democritus!
So Americans in general are “brainwashed” but you’re not, and a classical liberal is “part of the problem.” Jesus wept. Clearly there’s no IQ test for Mish’s posters.
I’ll answer that for you… First step will be to deport all maga to Greenland.
You’re thinking outside the box, and I appreciate that. The keto bros should love the cuisine.
Wouldn’t it be better if we just deposited them in the Marianas trench? 😂😂
The new icy, cold gulag? Maybe that’s why Taco wants it.
get off social media and have a conversation with an actual human.
I wonder if people can agree on some simple basic things ?
So it seems to me more or less a matter of fact & law that all 6 statements are true.
Can people keep all 6 in their thoughts without becoming agitated and defensive?
I’m not sure “abetting” is illegal. If I give food to a church expecting it to be made available to illegal immigrants is that abetting?
It is.
The reality is abetting is whatever the regime says it is. Provide aid at your own risk.
I can. Good thoughts!
loop holes abound on all your points. laws are ignored for thousands of years by mankind.
well. let’s talk reality. what is written down as laws have always been ignored. ever jay walk. or drink a beer under age. your points are smart. but reality of world is not so clean. geopolitics and economics are soft science. this ain’t chemistry or physics.
I agree with your points, although there is some nuance to consider when it comes to 5 & 6 since in some instances individuals were just demonstrating (or just video documenting), not necessarily “interfering” with law enforcement.
No 4 isn’t true. They aren’t defying federal jurisdiction. they are simply not affirmatively aiding operations, as is the right of states under our system of federalism. the legit argument is local law enforcement wants illegal aliens to talk to them, to be witnesses and report crimes without worrying that they’ll be deported. if a migrant gets robbed, if a migrant’s wife gets beaten up, local law enforcement wants them to report the crimes.
And 5 is true, but in practice there is vagueness as to what “interference” means. ICE, and law enforcement usually, thinks things like videotaping them, or protesting as they are carrying out raids is “interfering”. it’s not.
and 2 is true, but not a good idea. it’s not a good idea to bring a loaded gun to a volatile protest. it’s pointless. One guy can’t defend himself against dozens of ICE agents with bullet proof vests, many of them with rifles. so if you can’t use it for self defense, why bring it? it wasn’t a good idea for Kyle Rittenhouse either.
I will agree to those 6, if you will agree to a 7th:
The police are only responsible for enforcing the law, and all Americans have a right to due process.
You lost me as soon as you used the term, “allowed to carry”.
It is legal for him to carry and he does not have to obtain permission based on where he’s going or what he’s doing. This is where your entire argument starts to unravel.
If I am legally carrying a gun down the street and six ice vehicles stop in front of me and they all jump out brandishing their weapons…
Am I obstructing Justice?
Am I at a protest?
Am I interfering with the police?
Mind you, I was there first and all I was doing was walking down the street.
Based on the rhetoric from the administration, I believe the answer is that, if I were to be shot it would be obviously in self-defense because I am a radical domestic terrorist who’s walking home from the corner store.
Well said Tom, there is a difference between rights and privileges.
Let’s say 10% of people can keep all of these points in play at once. The majority cannot, and it’s much easier to weaponize people who don’t want to think for themselves than it is to grow that 10% to 20% through rational discussion.
As for 5 , exactly what crime was being committed by an arrestee? Seems to be afact no one’s talking about. He came to the rescue of a woman being maced. Have you other evidence of a crime. In fact, what happened to that woman?
This isn’t protesting, they are rioting and impeding the police at best. At worst, they are assaulting law enforcement officers and resisting arrest. This guy was blocking roads and refusing lawful commands, then escalated from there to resisting arrest.
His gun went off and then he got ventilated, oh well.
I notice the very mature and introspective supporters of illegal immigration, violence against law enforcement, and rewriting of the English language to change the meanings of words are now relying on cajoling and song lyrics. So impressive. Don’t forget to reread The Communist Manifesto and Rules for Radicals as a primer for your beliefs and actions.
When you left wing anarchist arses find your brain again, try being quiet for a while and studying how our system of governance is intended to work. Even read the Constitution if it helps you understand.
First, we have sovereignty, which means a border and the right to decide who can enter our country. So do all the other countries on this planet.
Second, any act of violence against law enforcement can get you shot through and through. Stop crying about it, and f off. If you don’t want to get shot, start defending the law instead of breaking it.
Thank you for your attention to this matter. God bless America.
pro tip. the borders have been wide open for centuries. with a few small exceptions like operation wetback and the past year. of course this will not hold. most borders on planet are wide open. millions cross borders every year with no papers. the russian cities in eastern russia have been settled in by chinese for past few decades. those cities built under stalin were abondoned after 1991.
sigh. Another one. To your points, noone here argues that you cannot control the border. People do argue against shooting innocent people. Film shows clearly this guy’s gun was take off him (he hadn’t drawn it, was only legally carrying it), before he was shot while layin on the ground.
So your first point is not relevant here, and your second point based on a lie.
Cry more.
Open your throat wider piggie, it’s a big boot
please… no more of your projection fantasies
bootlicker alert. use extreme caution when approaching. do not try and pet or feed them.
You could lose a boot!
no, they’re protesting. telling people to stop protesting aren’t lawful commands, and in any event it’s not a reason to shoot people.
Tin soldiers and Trump coming
We’re finally on our own
This winter I hear the drumming
Two dead in Minnesota
Gotta get down to it, ICE is cutting us down
Should have been gone long ago
What if you knew him and found him dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?
One thing I am pretty sure about during these dark days in America is that Stephen Miller and Kristi Noem would have called Jesus a domestic terrorist. After all, he cared about people in need and wasn’t afraid of lies.
I have heard this thing you said so many times it is a cliche, coming across like Democrat talking points parrotted by ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, Gannett, etc.
But what do you know about Jesus Christ? Have you read the bible at all? The truth is all in there, including the words that Jesus spoke.
If you don’t know him, then I would suggest you not talk about him.
By the way, the Jews formed a nexus with the Roman empire and conspired to kill Jesus. This was unusual, considering how much the Jews hated the Romans. But the Jews hated Jesus even more because he exposed their hypocrisy and he threatened their fraudulent hold on power. (study the Pharasees of the era that Jesus lived in).
I am happy to say they failed. 3 days after they cruficied Jesus, he was up walking around again. He proved to the world who he really was.
Last sentence, do you REALLY believe this BS? Honestly?? Grow up man!
no doubt he does. just like all 3 branches of abrahamic religions believe their stories. like so many religions in history of human primates. many humans need this crutch to get through the nights. i mock my pals who believe, but leave strangers to their fairy tales. study anthropology for a few years or weeks and you shall understand the reasons for people having to believe. mostly indocrination as children. FFS i like millions of others was put on my knees praying to a man being tortured to death nailed to a cross, and told it was my fault. original sin. for being born. getting out of the roman catholic cult alive with my marbles half in tact is a feat. many of us did that. but most no. i think the fastest growing belief, is non believers in the world the past few decades.
I know Jesus didn’t shoot people in the head.
Well being shot in the head is the easy way out. Jesus gives you eternal torture in Hell. I’d take MAGA any day…
Only if you’re a bad little piggy….
It does make you wonder why someone would bring a gun to this protest. And plenty of ammo. I could see packing a pistol with a mag full. For all the reasons I applied, trained and got licensed. And if I believe in the 2nd, I must support his right to carry….even to the protests. I don’t think I’d have done the same, but I don’t agree with the motives and I’m not there.
Did the man “pull’ or in any way threaten the agents? If so, why? What next?
If he did NOT pull the weapon, how did the agents discover he had it.
All this must be determined.
But bringing kerosene to a fire is not a smart or logical thing to do. I await more input.
Kyle Rittenhouse brought a gun to a protest, killed two people and walked free
well, we can wonder but we KNOW that he never brandished it, or attempted to use it. it’s on tape.
agents discovered he had it because they saw it in his waistband when they grabbed him.
He did it because it made him feel safer. guns make people FEEL safer, whether justified or not. it made him braver to have a gun at this protest.
I always carry in the woods. I have an irrational fear of mountain lions, and the gun helps a lot with that. I doubt I’d get it drawn before one got me from behind, but it helps my anxiety.
A gun is just a tool, an inanimate object. He probably carried it all the time for self-defense, every day, never pulling it out, and he clearly didn’t pull it out here. Someone found it when they frisked him after he was immobilized. There were no doubt others in the crowd who had pocket knives. Those were also a danger to no one. Probably some had cans of gasoline in their cars they recently filled for their snowblowers. Also not a danger.
I’m sure every single ICE agent was carrying a gun or two, which get pulled out all the time and pointed at people as we have seen on the news. That is dangerous, and certainly a threat. Kristy Noem, the ICE Queen, gave away the game when she said Sunday there was an uptick on agent assaults and then said that it was “verbal assaults” that are up so dramatically. Someone makes an unkind or mean comment to an ICE agent and they report that up the chain so ICE can claim there is a massive increase in “assaults on agents”. I don’t believe anything the administration says.
They used his 2nd amendment rights as a reason to execute him in the street.
I also wonder, if he didn’t have a gun, would he still have been executed. Just for interfering…
This is ridiculous. As a citizen of the United State if a law enforcement officer approached you what are your responsibilities?
Run?
Spit in their face
Ignore them completely ?
Yell at them?
Shove anything in their face!
Threaten them in any way?
Etc…,
If you do any of the above you are not a citizen no matter water credentials you hold! You have no respect for what this country stands for and you feel that your views are above all others!
bite their finger off ?
This country was founded with an understanding of the behavior of tyrannical governments and how important it was for citizens to freely be heard, their voice to be unimpeded by the whims of tyrants. So yes, a citizen can yell at ICE. And thank god no one needs to bow to you, or ICE, or Donald J Trump as judge re: who is or is not a citizen based on exercise of their rights. BTW, all those other things you mention re: “responsibilities” don’t appear to match any of the things Pretti did on Saturday before he was murdered.
Exactly right on all counts
Boot licker.
An actual American would never make that argument. Whatever people like you are, you’re not Americans.
Time to start a petition to ban guns at all protests including 2nd amendment protests. Watch them all line up to sign it.
#
Trump’s plan was always to take the guns. You can hear the master plan from Trump himself….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du4xz6Lndxk
MAGA morons are going to be in for a rude awakening when their guns, gold, and god are taken away and they are shipped off to alligator Auschwitz.
Got exit strategy? <snark>
the only true god for a maga retard is pederast donald, himself. it’s a really fascinating cult to behold. so similar to benito and adolph. with tinges of charlie manson acid head hippy chics
Who did you think I was referring to when I said their god would be taken away? Trump is their god and he’s too old to last much longer.
This would be my favorite I told you so, if I wasn’t worried, they were gonna come for my guns.
Nope, Greenland gulag ..
Yes, Mish, this was on my bingo card – as I remarked yesterday. If this does not blow up MAGA, nothing will.
But more importantly for MAGA believers, remember that your current silence will be the beginning of your own worst future. Even the current Republican/MAGA offices for FBI, DHS and DOJ now say you can’t bring your guns with magazines wherever you thought was previously legal.
That will be THE beginning talking point for the next Democratic administration. And remember how it was recently secretly memo’ed that ICE does not have to have warrants to search homes for ‘violators’. Uh, oh, MAGA gun owners. It won’t be long until ‘they’ are knocking on your door for being ‘domestic terrorists’.
And AI can currently make a deepfake nude of anyone on the Internet. So if you think a new Democratic DOGE-like office won’t use AI to look up Internet photos of MAGA gun owners (even beneath masks) with time/date/location stamps to locate and de-gun them, you’re living in a fantasy land.
The time to speak up against this reversal of constitutional and human rights is quickly disappearing. And remember, if you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem – at least to the next other-party administration.
those cowering bootlickers are our brave patriots. and you wonder why amerika hasn’t won a war since 1945
But Biden is going to take away your guns!! Be sure to vote for the Orange Stain.
Administration-wide talking point — that carrying a firearm inherently proves the carrier must’ve had sinister, criminal intent ? So ICE agents carrying guns also possibly proves likewise that some ICE agents have sinister criminal intent ? A large number of citizens have seen enough video to feel ICE is now also getting out of control.
Sorry, no, the government agents are empowered to carry weapons. It’s the terrorists intent on a bloodbath bringing assault weapons and an arsenal of ammunition to confront government agents just trying to do their jobs who need to be dealt with and they will be.
People who resist the new world order will be killed. OK.
So the second amendment doesn’t empower you to carry a firearm?
no where in the Trump Constitution or Trump Bible is that right bestowed on anyone in Trumplandia.
You are right the only power ICE understands is the use of weapons. Be it non lethal or lethal.
They certainly are quite empowered by the up arming of them. And that is a problem.
By your logic capital police would of been justified to set up a mounted machine gun and just mow down all the j6ers. Unless you agree with that then you are a liar and a hypocrite
It’s a dark, dark time. American citizens get killed by their own government for being … courageous American citizens.
This is completely on message, as the old saying states “If Republicans didn’t have double standards they’d have no standards at all!”
They call all sorts of people they don’t like groomers and peods yet they go out of their way to protect their own pedos.
How to detect a Nazi?
When their commitment to the cult allows them to do mental gymnastic around facts, videos and the Bill of Rights itself, you know that you are dealing with a Nazi.
On that case, there is nothing that you can do or show that will change their view. They have already fully enlisted in the cause and are in it until the end.
after 1945 you could not find a nazi in germany or italy
At a basic personal (not political or ideological level), it is characteristic of the Nazi to admire force and power but to loathe weakness. Bullies have a 6th sense for weakness but submit easily when forced. Heroes rescue the weak and fight with courage even when winning is not a foregone conclusion. Bullies tend to brown nose to those above them but to tread on those below.
correct. agree. as my old landlord, said just 2 years to me, who had to hide in venice italy as a child, run out of milan, since his mother was a jew and they killed off the father and older siblings, after 1945 there was not a fascist or nazi to be found in europe.