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Trump Doubles Down on His Call to Nationalize (Steal) Elections

Republicans are going to get smashed in November, and Trump knows it.

Please note Trump Doubles Down on Calls for Republicans to Nationalize Elections

President Trump doubled-down on his view that Republicans should “nationalize” voting in the U.S., questioning whether certain states should continue running their own elections as spelled out in the Constitution.

“I want to see elections be honest, and if a state can’t run an election, I think the people behind me should do something about it,” the president said Tuesday in the Oval Office, flanked by congressional Republicans during a bill signing ceremony to reopen the federal government.

“Take a look at Detroit…take a look at Philadelphia, take a look at Atlanta,” Trump said, referring to the cities in presidential battleground states as places of alleged corruption, without citing specific evidence. “The federal government should not allow that. The federal government should get involved. These are agents of the federal government to count the vote. If they can’t count the vote legally and honestly, then somebody else should take over.” 

Trump’s comments echoed what he said in a podcast interview released Monday with Dan Bongino, his former deputy Federal Bureau of Investigation director, in which he urged Republican officials to “take over” voting procedures in 15 states, which he didn’t name.

Unconstitutional Idea Headed Nowhere

Senate Majority leader John Thune and Speaker of the House Mike Johnson both disagree.

So, this plea will fall on MAGA ears only.

Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R., S.D.) told reporters that while he was in favor of requiring voters to show identification to prove citizenship in voting, “I’m not in favor of federalizing elections, no. I think that’s a constitutional issue.

House Speaker Mike Johnson (R., La.) told reporters Tuesday that the president was “expressing his frustration” about alleged problems in certain Democratic-leaning states enforcing election laws. Asked if Republicans should take over elections, Johnson repeatedly said, “no.”

Fulton County Georgia Election Raid

Brain Dead Idiots Still Spreading Debunked Lies

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger Makes Right Call

Dear Tulsi, What the Hell Happened to You?

I discussed the Fulton County election raid in Dear Tulsi, What the Hell Happened to You?

Start the Steal

Trump has never given a damn about the Constitution, so why should he start now?

This is start-the-steal prelude. Trump wants to steal the midterms. And now Tulsi is part of it.

Sickening in multiple ways. But Trump will fail.

Please note Trump’s Immigration Approval Drops to Record Low -34 With Latinos

Only 39 percent approve Trump’s handling of immigration. That’s 39 percentage points too many.

But given MAGA support alone would be in that vicinity, the rest of the country has had enough.

Nearly half (49 percent) of non-MAGA GOP thinks ICE is too aggressive. I am increasingly confident Republicans will lose the House.

Odds of a National “Blue Wave” in Midterm Elections are now 69 percent

In case you missed it, please note Odds of a National “Blue Wave” in Midterm Elections are now 69 percent

Three weeks ago blue wave odds were only 41%.

The more desperate Trump gets the more likely Republicans lose the House and the Senate.

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Green
Green
2 months ago

Ask for nationalization, knowing it will make heads explode, and you won’t get it.

Settle at no nationalization, but a requirement for voter ID.

Which is what they actually wanted all along.

Its almost like this administration is making a “big ask”. It sort of seems that making a “deal” requires some sort of “artistry”.

I’ve seen this strategy articulated somewhere, just can’t place it…..

Mike
Mike
2 months ago

Democrats Just Gave Away The Real Reason They’re Fighting Immigration Enforcement

Authored by Matt Margolis via PJ Media,

Democrats have spent years insisting illegal immigrants do not vote, yet Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries just gave the whole game away.

In a letter to GOP leadership, they demanded a slate of “reforms” to immigration enforcement as the price for funding the Department of Homeland Security, including targeted enforcement, no masks, mandatory use of body cameras, and other demands, several of which I suspect are nonstarters.

I don’t see Democrats getting anywhere with these, but the big thing is that buried in that list is a rather revealing demand:

  Protect Sensitive Locations – Prohibit funds from being used to conduct enforcement near sensitive locations, including medical facilities, schools, child-care facilities, churches, polling places, courts, etc.

Polling places?

They went out of their way to include polling places right alongside hospitals, courts, and churches. There is only one thing that happens at polling places that would matter to illegal immigrants, and it is not the bake sale.

Quatloo
Quatloo
2 months ago
Reply to  Mike

Maybe they don’t want citizens whose skin isn’t white to be hassled at polling stations, thrown into detention in order to “verify citizenship”, and released after the polls close? ICE presence would also get many citizens to turn around when they see ICE and give up on trying to vote.

If you think Trump, Miller, and Noem wouldn’t do that, you are very naive.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
2 months ago

Conservatives don’t need evidence to bless Trump hijacking democracy. If they had any issue with it, conservatives would be out in the street marching with liberals to defend and preserve democracy. Or any GOPer can come in here and prove me wrong by providing one shred of real evidence of the crimes Trump hyperbolically claims were committed.

Quatloo
Quatloo
2 months ago

In what way is Trump a conservative? Traditionally, the main things conservatives believed in were the Constitution, limited government, Rule of Law, and balancing the budget. Ron Paul is a conservative. Trump is a Republican.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
2 months ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Nice, we’ve reached the “he was never our guy” point of face-saving.

Not gonna work.

Every conservative group jumped in bed with Trump just like the whores they are!

We all saw it. Half-assed attempts to rewrite history will fail.

Last edited 2 months ago by Phil in CT
Tollsforthee
Tollsforthee
2 months ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Trump isn’t a Republican.

Trump is like one of those wasps that injects an egg that takes over its host and zombifies it.

The Republicans Party is just a mindless host at this point.

Quatloo
Quatloo
2 months ago
Reply to  Tollsforthee

Exactly. Because third parties are shut out of the American system, if a group wants to implement their agenda, it must take over one of the two parties. Ron Paul unsuccessfully tried to do that in 2012. Bernie Sanders unsuccessfully tried to do it in 2016 and 2020. Trump was successful in 2016.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
2 months ago

Probably a good idea to keep a local copy of this somewhere, in case these chucklefucks actually manage to pull it off.

https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf

Albert
Albert
2 months ago

What (most) Americans don’t understand is that politicians like Trump can only get to power by turning one half of the country against the other half. And that’s simply incompatible with the rules of democracy.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
2 months ago
Reply to  Albert

What you described is democracy. It always reverts to some variation of the spoils system; winners are rewarded at the expense of the losers. When the dems get power, I’ll pay for social initiatives and the rest of the existing social agenda. Albert, you must be very young and quite naive.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
2 months ago
Reply to  MelvinRich

The fundamental underlying principle of democracy is force: the idea is that if there are more of us than there are a view, we would just kill you all anyway, so let’s just vote and avoid all that nastiness.

That was before a lot of technology and weaponry came out that greatly changed who could kill who and how many.

RonJ
RonJ
2 months ago
Reply to  Albert

The rule of democracy is majority rule. A larger half beats a smaller half in every election. Elections are always divisive.

Quatloo
Quatloo
2 months ago
Reply to  RonJ

That’s the rule of American democracy. In many European democracies minority candidates get seats in parliament and have a voice. It is not digital like first-past-the-post democracies where if your side loses by one vote you get NO representation.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
2 months ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Some people prefer their elections to be decided by 100,000 ignoramuses rather than all eligible voters in a nation of 340MM+ people

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
2 months ago
Reply to  RonJ

Not in the popular vote. More people voting for someone does not equal that person being elected. Your claim is highly disingenuous.

Trump lost the national vote, he got fewer votes, and yet he became president in 2016.

But go ahead and defend why Wyoming gets 34 times the votes per capita of California. You’ve already dug your own grave.

pokercat
pokercat
2 months ago
Reply to  RonJ

That is exactly why our fore fathers chose a republic. Once the election is over the elected could take over and do what is morally right compared to a majority that can be manipulated. How ever it doesn’t always work like that.

Quatloo
Quatloo
2 months ago
Reply to  pokercat

The Bill of Rights is what, at least in theory, protects individuals from being controlled by the majority. Individuals, even unpopular ones, have the right to Civil Liberties like free speech, due process, etc.

You name it
You name it
2 months ago
Reply to  Albert

> turning one half of the country against the other half..

Divide and rule – the ancient game. Meanwhile, the billionaire oligarchs, under DJTs deliberate chaos smokescreen, systematically implementing digital enslavement program under AI control, gradually heating the pot with the frogs. That’s us, guys.

You name it
You name it
2 months ago
Reply to  You name it

To illustrate my point:

“Human AI fusion is inevitable” – Elon Musk

Complete BS. Of course we can stop it. We can stop anything. But we certainly must be aware of what’s going on. The great wake-up call..
And that’s what they are most afraid of..

A good read on oligarchs in ancient times and today:
“West under OligarchsWestern society has been hostage to the same pathology for over 2,000 years. Today, we are in a better position than ever to end this curse and emancipate humanity”https://alexkrainer.substack.com/p/west-under-oligarchs?

Jon L
Jon L
2 months ago
Reply to  Albert

Albert – responses to your totally reasonable comment show that Americans see democracy as a way of winning a competition and so being seen to be better than the other team. What is should be is about getting the best governance for your country.

I think this is all baked into American psychology (e.g. all the praising the flag stuff that you don’t get in other countries). It works well at creating tech companies that beat everybody else…it doesn’t do so well at creating a nice society.

steve
steve
2 months ago

Unwavering SCRUTINY, 24/7 of the voting and especially the COUNTING, by the public AND the police is utterly necessary to have a fair election just like in 2024 and from here on out.

Quatloo
Quatloo
2 months ago
Reply to  steve

Maybe international election observers needed?!

Flavia
Flavia
2 months ago
Reply to  steve

LOL

si vis pacem, para bellum
si vis pacem, para bellum
2 months ago

Nonsense, elections in the USA have been stolen for a while.
The American electoral system is intentionally ludicrous, it’s the only country I know of where even to suggest that you need a voter ID is controversial, while in the rest of the world is mandatory.
Banana republic would be a compliment.

Anthony
Anthony
2 months ago

that’s because people rightfully don’t trust Republicans to process ID applications in good faith and in time for the elections. All the places Trump says he wants to nationalize? if they impose ID requirements you’ll see slow walking of applications, denianls, delays. Stuff that wouldn’t happen in Switzerland.

si vis pacem, para bellum
si vis pacem, para bellum
2 months ago
Reply to  Anthony

The very fact that you (and so many others) think that what you just wrote makes sense and it’s a rational and valid giustification for not having a national voter ID law shows how far removed from reality you all are.
The United States of America is an idiocracy.

Anthony
Anthony
2 months ago

why does it NOT make sense? I gave you logical reasons of how ID requirements can easily be abused. if you want to argue with them, do so, but just saying that because i think this it means I am removed from reality it is i not actually a counter argument.

the fact is many in charge of voting distrits have been MAGA-fied in direct response to that what happened with Raffenberger and others who stood up to Trump in 2020 wouldn’t happen again. formerly apoltical posts have become openly political with candidate overtly saying they would not have allowed what was allowed in 2020.

And we’ve already seen this in Texas where concealed carry license are ok for voter ID but student ID is not, even though neither have photos. We’ve seen majority or large black district s with 1 voting site for huge populations that then have to stand in line while white districts or white parts of districts with multiple sites where people don’t have to stand in line for an hour to vote.

So no, there is zero reason to expect that MAGA secretary of states, DMVs or whoever is in charge of issuing or accepting the IDs will do so fairly in light of what they believe (that Dem cheat at elections, while they do not) despite zero evidence. And saying this makes no sense doesn’t mean it makes no sense.

si vis pacem, para bellum
si vis pacem, para bellum
2 months ago
Reply to  Anthony

I wonder how you guys did manage to mandate at least Driver’s Licenses to be able to drive in the country since due to the extreme political partisanship (which we all know exists ONLY in America and it’s absolutely unknown in the rest of the world…) such requirements are so easily exploited for political purposes…

Then again, you live in a Banana Republic where invaders from the 3rd world regularly get Driver’s Licenses while living in the country ILLEGALLY, in some cases even COMMERCIAL Driver’s Licenses, so you haven’t actually managed to implement even a functioning Driver’s License system like the rest of the world more or less has and you may have a point after all…

As I said, yours is an Idiocracy.

Jon
Jon
2 months ago

In those states that don’t require an id at the voting booth, you are still required to show an id when you register to vote. If you show up to vote without an id, you generally have to sign an affidavit stating who you are. You are then given a ballot and marked has having voted. In the worst case scenario, if someone knows you aren’t going to vote, they can show up and vote as you, with a roughly 50/50 chance that their vote would be different than yours would have been. While it almost certainly happens, the numbers are so low that they have statistically no effect on electoral outcomes. They know they are statistically insignificant because, over the years, they have followed up on the affidavits to see if those folks actually signed them and voted. In almost all cases, it was them.

Some folks unfortunately believe that states that don’t require ids are letting people vote as many times as they want, because without an id, how would you know? That is not how it works at all.

si vis pacem, para bellum
si vis pacem, para bellum
2 months ago
Reply to  Jon

I have been an ex-expat for over 15 years, I have lived and worked all over the world including 5.5 years in the US, I know how the system “works” over there. When it gets explained to them, Europeans have a hard time believing that the “leaders of the free world” use such a ludicrous, crazy system for the most fundamental function of a democratic country.

Here is how it works in a normal country (in this case Italy but it’s basically the same all over Europe): the city you reside in issues to you an “electoral card” which attests that you have the right to vote and says where exactly you are registered to vote (the electoral district, the address of your electoral section and the number of the sub-section). You can vote ONLY there and ONLY with a valid electoral card and a valid ID. The electoral commission in the sub-section checks those documents, checks that your name is on their list, gives you the PAPER ballot(s) and marks you as having voted.

We get as leaders the same globalist pieces of shit that you get, the same dystopian, satanic, suicidal liberal policies and half of the electorate has given up on voting here too but at least the one thing that’s missing here in the usual political circus and in the public discourse are accusations of and doubts about electoral fraud [*].

[*] Since we introduced mail-in ballots that’s not really true anymore and proofs of voter frauds get increasingly found at each elections but the damage is somewhat limited by the fact that mail-in ballots are at the moment reserved to those living abroad.

Sentient
Sentient
2 months ago
Reply to  Jon

Jon, I’m sure you believe that. The lack of voter ID allows corrupt election officials to stuff the ballot box and – at the end of the night- scrawl enough signatures on the voter roll to match the number of stuffed ballots. The lack of an ID requirement allows plausible deniability: in the unlikely event it’s ever reviewed, they can claim “well somebody signed it – And we don’t check ID’s”. This can only happen in densely populated precincts overwhelmingly controlled by one party. There are no such precincts anywhere in the country controlled by republicans. Democrats have a structural advantage in that regard – which is why republicans focus on vote “suppression”. Neither party is more honest, but the “reddest” areas in the country are only 65% republican, while there are many urban precincts that are 95% democrat. There is no republican equivalent of Philadelphia or North Minneapolis.

Jon L
Jon L
2 months ago

As a non-American it is bizarre reading the comments on Mish, and listening to America friends. There is so much nonsense about “the other side” and how evil they are.

When are you lot going to figure out that there are good and bad people on both sides and it is perfectly OK to pick the side which is better in the moment?

At the moment GOP is under cult-capture so it is the Democrats turn to offer to fix the system (in the same way that Trump was all about emptying the swamp first time round). I just do not get why the Democratic leadership can’t step up to saying we will run on ending Gerrymandering, stopping insider trading, stopping SuperPACs etc.

Anyway I think the American frog is well and truly boiled so probably too late. Just hope that your billionaires get stopped in exporting their nonsense to us.

Peace
Peace
2 months ago
Reply to  Jon L

Democratic / Republican – what is common.
Whoever in power or two party or many more party system, nothing will change
without getting rid of Corrupt Culture.
President, MPs, MICC, etc all are enriching themselves by bribing, lobbying, etc.
Rich and Powerful are above the law.
Nothing will get better by merely changing parties.

bmcc
bmcc
2 months ago
Reply to  Peace

the root disease and cause, in amerika, has been nihilism has infected vast majority of amerikans for the past 3 generations. all the other stuff are the symptoms. this has occurred in world history before. bismark did it to germany for 2 generations. the only antidote will be the geezers dying off and the empire collapsing financially, and militarily. all the rest is malarkey and happy horse shit thinking by people either scared or too dumb…….the future will be brighter as this evil empire collapses. whichever of the 50 states will be much more important in one’s life going forward, than it has been in over a century and half …..

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
2 months ago
Reply to  Jon L

There’s a side that protects pedophiles, and hates anyone that isn’t them.

Fuck them.

Last edited 2 months ago by El Trumpedo
FDR
FDR
2 months ago

If Thune and Johnson are not on board to nationalize elections, another nail in the Trump presidential coffin.

GOP sharks sense Trump is splashing and flailing. Soon a Massie Mako may bite and draw blood then a feeding frenzy results.

Trump has split his base, lost Hispanics, the working class the country club and moderate GOP.

This is reminiscent of Nixon after the Watergate hearings discovered through Butterfield’s testimony that Nixon bugged the Oval Office and the taping was voice activated. In Trump’s case the release of the Epstein videos of the Donald by Democratic House subpoena in 2027 will be Trump’s Butterfield.

jackula
jackula
2 months ago
Reply to  FDR

Not a matter of if, they are dead set against…

bmcc
bmcc
2 months ago
Reply to  jackula

yes, those 2 fellas are so honest, you can take their words as good as gold. obviously this is sarcasm

Flavia
Flavia
2 months ago
Reply to  FDR

Trump’s base split in January. Not due to anything Trump said, but one of his henchmen.
The line was crossed, and the worm turned.
Americans don’t talk about these things – they just vote differently.

FDR
FDR
2 months ago
Reply to  Flavia

Endless military threats by the Donald, over the top immigration raids, ICE and border patrol murderers, etc., has split Trump’s base among other reasons herein not mentioned that he campaigned on ending or has lied about the tactics employed or has turned a blind eye to and countenances.

Trump’s approval rating in the mid 30s to high 30s depending upon the pollster.

strongGnu
strongGnu
2 months ago

The Democratic party is the modern-day mafia. They were taking a cut from Mexican cartels that taxes anyone that goes across the border, shovel ready jobs (trains), the homeless industrial complex, government unions, countless government programs and NGO’s, using media influence(bribery) to coerce companies to support organization from climate change to BLM. All while getting their cut to feed the machine that does not care about anything but getting reelected and staying in power. A perfect example is the democratic party should have had Bernie Sanders running instead of Hilary. If you vote for the democratic party, ask yourself if you are an enabler or lack the vison to see through the lies told by apparatchik.
Every fake vote nullifies a real vote. Anyone who does not want sensible and reasonable voter verification wants the country to have a revolution. We have rules and enforce them, so people do not take matters into their own hands. The key to democracy is both sides can be assured of some form of fairness. We have all seen voter registrations done to abandon lots, people in nursing homes that are mentally incapacitated voting, signatures that don’t match on ballots, election districts that go from 50% voter participation to 98%, ballet harvesting and election officials that do not follow the laws, policies and procedures. I think we should be able to cast our ballot, take a picture and be able to compare it with a unique number on every ballot viewable to all. We live in a digital world, and this is not hard. Let’s not talk about Act Blue, Sam Bankman-Freid and the crypto scamming into the democratic coffers and the countless democratic organizations that come and gone to evade the law.  

bmcc
bmcc
2 months ago
Reply to  strongGnu

it is a UNIPARTY blue and red, group of grifters. democracy works great. the amerikan people, blue and red, are grifters from bottom to top.

Anthony
Anthony
2 months ago
Reply to  strongGnu

election districts that go from 50% voter participation to 98%” oh, and which one was this. please be specific.

what laws and procedures do you mean? the SCOTUS has ruled that voting is a fundamantal right so judges apply these with common sense. I remember in 2020 Republicans were trying to nullify votes because the signature was below a line instead of above it or because half of it was off the line. judges rejected thhose challenges as they should have

strongGnu
strongGnu
2 months ago
Reply to  Anthony

Milwaukee Wisconsin District during pandemic – and at one point the count was above 100% but they corrected it.

Tollsforthee
Tollsforthee
2 months ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Wrong. I live in close proximity to Milwaukee. I have monitored the vote totals.

Average split in the county is 70% Dems, 30% Republicans.

Rarely varies, just depends on how enthusiastic the voter base is during that particular cycle.

People here would be ecstatic to turn out even 75% of voters—it just never happens.

Tollsforthee
Tollsforthee
2 months ago
Reply to  Tollsforthee

Anyway, in Wisconsin it’s now part of the state constitution, passed 4/1/25.

Voter ID requirement.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
2 months ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Cope harder weirdo

strongGnu
strongGnu
2 months ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

There is a river in Eygpt that runs through your mind and most leftist. “It is De Nile”. So are you blind beleiving in the apparachtchik or are you part of the machine?

Last edited 2 months ago by strongGnu
Phil in CT
Phil in CT
2 months ago
Reply to  strongGnu

OK Soviet boomer, LOL
The nile joke is from what, the 1800’s? Jesus that’s lame. And who the fuck uses “apparachtchik”, LOL Mish attracts the weirdest of the weird

Last edited 2 months ago by Phil in CT
I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
2 months ago

where is my DOGE ck and my tariff benefit ck???

strongGnu
strongGnu
2 months ago

I guess you like inflation?

Mike
Mike
2 months ago

Wants ID which is required for pretty much everything else in a large modern society without registration issuance by DMV or other similarly, paper ballots for a physical record (audits), ink (minimize voting more than once), limits on voting organization couriers & major overhaul of easily abused mail in voting.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
2 months ago
Reply to  Mike

I don’t understand what the big deal about ID is. If you can’t get your act together well enough to do that, you really don’t deserve to vote anyway.

Tollsforthee
Tollsforthee
2 months ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

It’s been a part of the Wisconsin state constitution now since 4/1/25.

Voters approved an ID requirement.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 months ago

Racist MAGA moron decided to pick a fight with high school kids. He regrets it instantly. I think this foreshadows the midterms better than anything else….

https://www.reddit.com/r/LetsDiscussThis/comments/1quudw2/footage_of_a_maga_supporter_attacking_high_school/

This is your everyday future MAGA, getting pummeled. MAGA dude got arrested too.

bmcc
bmcc
2 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

everyone has their limit of getting abused. seems like these young adults reached their limit. ever talk to anyone at length who lived through a civil war and how it slowly unfolded. i have. pals from yugoslavia…..quite enlightening. slow build up from shoving matches to both sides getting weapons……..

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
2 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

Kids should be madder than anyone, they have so much longer to spend in the shitshow PedoPig is making for them.

bmcc
bmcc
2 months ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

yes, el trumpedo

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
2 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

LOL I enjoyed this video.
Loser clutching his MAGA hat like a baby with a blanky

Last edited 2 months ago by Phil in CT
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
2 months ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

It reminds me of a video I saw of a wasp head into a bee hive. The wasp kills a bee for a meal then the bee swarm activates and envelopes the wasp and suffocates it in seconds.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
2 months ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the toddler party.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
2 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Out of all those kids, he attacked the little girl. Typical maga pussy, alligator mouth on a canary ass.

bmcc
bmcc
2 months ago

Trumpism is our modern equivalent of the “god-emperor” cults that have plagued so many civilizations – Rome, Babylon, India, Japan, China, etc

They want a “here and now” god who tells them what they want to hear, an infinitely powerful flawed man just like themselves

Call_Me_Al
Call_Me_Al
2 months ago
Sentient
Sentient
2 months ago

The midterms will be held in the normal manner. Dems will overwhelmingly win the House and could gain four seats in the Senate, although that will be hard. Trump will be impeached at least one more time. He might even be removed (as Nixon would have been). Divided government. Not the worst outcome.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
2 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

That’s a lovely bedtime story. I hope it comes true. Good night.

maya
maya
2 months ago

Wasting life and time over what the MSM says or reports on. The real action is always behind the scenes

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
2 months ago
Reply to  maya

Back to your cartoons then…

Mick
Mick
2 months ago

I try to have a balanced perspective re: elections/voting, but there’s so much FUD and propaganda from all sides that I’m only certain that there’s more f**kery afoot.

  1. Clear standards for electronic voting machines and verifiability, especially re: interfacing security and they must have open source code. Even if Dominion (now taken private) or other companies have produced machines that experts trust (and I do not assume that’s true), the fact that people regularly say they have or might be hacked is a problem. They should be like slot machines (oh god, not that they favor the house, but understood and regulated). But now that I think of it, why should there be voting machines be accepted from public/private companies at all, especially those now with foreign ownership?
  2. Limitations on mail-in ballots. The fact that it is controversial means most of it should go away. I don’t recall it being a thing when I was a kid – adults showed up at my school to vote. If you’re on a Navy ship, fine. If you’re bedridden in a hospice facility, fine.
  3. ID requirements. Make it easy, and free for those who do not already have an accepted id. For those who have mail in ballots, have a government official check id and stamp the mail in ballots.

This is not comprehensive, but the idea is to chase down every conspiracy and vector giving people reasons to whine for why elections are “stolen” and squash them. BTW, I don’t rule out all conspiracies for prior elections – I have no doubt some people in both parties would try to cheat the system at every opportunity (gerrymandering being another example). I’m fed up with the excuses. Fix it.

Sentient
Sentient
2 months ago
Reply to  Mick

The problem is that the constitution says the places, times and manner of elections are determined by the legislatures of the states. The most Congress could do would be to arm-twist the states by withholding, say, highway funding. Besides, democrats don’t want your proposed solutions.

Last edited 2 months ago by Sentient
Jon
Jon
2 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

Nor do Republicans. Florida has mail-in voting and is heavily Republican. Why? Because Republicans are often older and working. They see no need to take time off work and stand in line for hours to vote when it is completely unnecessary. The fact that a big chunk of the population is too stupid to figure out the safeguards built into the system shouldn’t have to cause massive inconvenience to fellow citizens.

Albert
Albert
2 months ago

Trump will never accept the rules of the game enshrined in the constitution. He tried a coup on J6, and he got away with being elected president. Given that experience, he will almost certainly try a second coup this year to avoid being held accountable for the corruption and other misdemeanors of his presidency.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
2 months ago
Reply to  Albert

I so want to see him dragged out of the Whitehouse, screeching and pooping himself.

Anthony
Anthony
2 months ago

Elections are rigged. Except the one that he won, right? Somehow the Biden admin rigged 2020 when it wasn’t in power, but couldn’t do it in 2024 when it was in power.

Trump and R’s can’t win anymore unless they cheat. I mean, how much more clearly and expressly can Trump say it?? He wants to rig the midterm elections. He has provided zero evidence of fraud. they’ve done audit after audit in Arizaona, Georgian Pa by auditors handpicked by Republicans and they still couldn’t show any wrongdoing. In fact in the last one in Arizona R’s selected an auditor that D’s didn’t want because the owner was a Trump fan and that one still showed no cheating and in fact found a few more votes for Biden.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
2 months ago
Reply to  Anthony

This is the one I like to use on the relatives I still talk to. Proof the 2020 election was not stolen, and you had a hissyfit over lies that were obvious before the proof arrived.

They get a sad look, and stfu.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
2 months ago
Reply to  Anthony

As I understand it, you have to have the support of the people counting the votes to rig an election. I understood Trump’s argument to be that in year 2016, the vote was rigged because the vote-counters, the media, and the universities all agreed that he had to be gotten rid of. The end justified the means. His administration had been frustrated for four years by conspiracy of all the great and good people against him, and this culminated in a fraudulent election. Not being an American, I can’t be sure this really happened, but I have the impression that Rand Paul and Newt Gingrich said it did happen. That’s enough for me.

In year 2000, Joe Biden had to pull out of the race because he was obviously too old, and the feminists insisted that he be replaced as Democratic Party candidate by an obviously unqualified candidate, on the basis of Affirmative Action. Even a lot of people who would be prepared to help steal an election to keep Trump from beating Biden, might not be willing to steal an election for Kamala Harris. Would anyone, even a crook, want to have his country left in the hands of an airhead for four years? She was such an OBVIOUS airhead. I was horrified enough (I’m an Australian) to see America elect such twits as Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama, but even such an electorate must have a boundary somewhere.

But anyway, I am suggesting that there wasn’t the consensus amongst the ethically flexible people to fix the election for Kamala. There had been a consensus for Joe, but it didn’t carry over.

To return to my original argument, I don’t think Trump could fix an election even if he tried. He wouldn’t have the support of a unified body of election officials to do it, just as Kamala didn’t have it. It’s like the old story about how Churchill was defeated at a general election while he was attending a peace conference with Stalin and the other Allied leaders, and Stalin couldn’t understand why he hadn’t “fixed” the election. He didn’t realize that in a country like England, it isn’t just a matter of paying people and issuing instructions. Being Prime Minister isn’t enough.

JeffD
JeffD
2 months ago

Voter ID is not stealing elections. I can’t even exchange two hundred dollar bills (cash!) for ten twenty dollar bills at a bank without showing my ID.

Anthony
Anthony
2 months ago
Reply to  JeffD

voter ID is not the topic of the article.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
2 months ago
Reply to  JeffD

Voter ID is a red herring for people who can’t understand the data. You have to show ID to register to vote everywhere. No proof of identity = not registered to vote.

US elections are fine, what we’re dealing with are infantile adults who can’t handle losing and are looking for an excuse.

JeffD
JeffD
2 months ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

Phil, the fact that you can vote as me here in California, when you don’t even live in this state, is a definite problem. It is illegal here to request IDs at the polling place.

Last edited 2 months ago by JeffD
SavyinDallas
SavyinDallas
2 months ago

It’s sad that the Democrats will win the mid-term elections. However, it’s also sad that a Republican party headed up by the treasonous Mike Johnson could also remain in power. Even sadder that someone like Thomas Massie could lose due to hundreds of millions put into the race by Adelson and her billionaire Trump supporting cronies. I don’t think Massie will lose-unless the election is rigged by Trump and warmongering billionaire donors. I can’t believe that America has fallen so much during my lifetime.

Sentient
Sentient
2 months ago
Reply to  SavyinDallas

MAGA
Miriam Adelson Governs America

bmcc
bmcc
2 months ago
Reply to  SavyinDallas

agree except zero surprise from me. i bet my pals 10 years ago we would be here by 2029. i was being conservative it seems.

Quatloo
Quatloo
2 months ago
Reply to  SavyinDallas

Whether Massie is able to win his primary election against the full might of Trump, AIPAC, and MIC will be the bellwether event of this election season.

jackula
jackula
2 months ago

This is just plain nutty coming from a standing president.

Vance has been kinda quiet lately…

25th Amendment Section 4. “Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department [sic][note 2][7] or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.”

bmcc
bmcc
2 months ago
Reply to  jackula

not a shot that occurs. it is a cult

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
2 months ago
Reply to  bmcc

They are running interference for his incontinence at news conferences ffs. There is nothing they won’t stoop to. They are thralls of the antichrist!

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
2 months ago
Reply to  jackula

Vance is quiet because he thinks if he just keeps his head down, he might end up president. He can’t go against Trump and keep that dream alive because without the MAGA base he’s a nobody. I mean, he’s a nobody anyway but that’s his dream.

Last edited 2 months ago by Phil in CT
Rogerroger
Rogerroger
2 months ago

I would not trust anything mike johnson says. Im sure some congressmen would be ok with it. The rest of the republican politicians are in a pinch.
Trump will ask them. If they refuse he will call them out and some lunatic will threaten them. And or he will turn some part of the government he control on them. Doj/ fbi etc just to drag them through the mud. . its easy to sue everybody when you get to use the tax payers dime.

Shelly
Shelly
2 months ago

this is it folks. If election integrity and the peaceful transfer of power go, then war will be inevitable. If Republicans don’t find their principles soon, then we’re entering a new era of conflict. The only question will be the intensity. Whether it’s paramilitary terrorism vs terrorism like The Troubles in Ireland, an outright modern civil war, or something in between. We’re dangerously close to a deadly unknown.

Avery2
Avery2
2 months ago
Reply to  Shelly

Known knowns
Known unknowns
Unknown unknowns
Unknown knowns

Anything can happen, and it probably will.

Sentient
Sentient
2 months ago
Reply to  Shelly

Did you fail to read the part where both the Senate majority leader and the Speaker of the House immediately shot down Trump’s lame brain, unconstitutional proposal? Get ahold of yourself.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
2 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

Did they stop him from kidnapping the leader of another country? Did they stop him from militarizing the national guard against US citizens? They’re useless. If they were concerned about breaking the constitution he would have been removed from office in his first term. They’re USELESS.

Last edited 2 months ago by Phil in CT
bmcc
bmcc
2 months ago
Reply to  Shelly

i disagree. i think many states will just effectively secede back to a pre 1860 confederation. i see it like the ussr crumble. some states with in state hate, like the ukraine had was a war for control of that state. in usa, who knows. maybe a place like FL with very diverse populations……places like SC and MS and AL.. and NY and CA and NH and VT……will have their state houses controlled by the same folks…….

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
2 months ago
Reply to  Shelly

Depends on where the various military and polices forces come down.

realityczech
realityczech
2 months ago

Jamie Raskin and Mark Warner, huh. Dumpster diving for Democratic party opinions. Disappointing.

Sentient
Sentient
2 months ago
Reply to  realityczech

Trump is an idiot for suggesting unconstitutional nationalization of elections. Mark Warner is a deep state conspirator. Both things are true.

Tony Frank
Tony Frank
2 months ago

King herod believes laws, constitutions and etc. don’t apply to him. After all, he is increasingly running roughshod over many decades, if not centuries, of the rule of law, decency and what it takes to be a human being.

bmcc
bmcc
2 months ago
Reply to  Tony Frank

yup. if i had a silver dollar for every amerikan i have been telling for decades that this empire will go the way of so many before us for thousands of years……..i’d be a billionaire. again. i keep my zimbabwe billion in my wallet

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