Trump Orders Pentagon to Buy Coal. It’s an Energy Emergency

When everything is an emergency, nothing is.

Coal Emergency

Please note the New Emergency Forcing Pentagon to Buy Coal.

President Donald Trump ordered the Pentagon to purchase more coal-based electricity, drawing the U.S. military into his campaign to subsidize a heavily polluting fossil fuel that is struggling to compete in the marketplace.

Trump announced the move at a White House event Wednesday where he also said his administration would spend taxpayer money to upgrade coal plants in four states.

The executive order Trump signed Wednesday, which does not specify how much the Pentagon will spend, directs defense officials to preference coal in long-term energy contracts. It states that “coal is essential to our national and economic security” and that it is “imperative” for the Pentagon to “prioritize the preservation and strategic utilization of coal-based energy assets.”

The order invokes the energy “emergency” declared by the White House early last year, as well as an executive order from April directed at strengthening the U.S. power grid. White House officials have argued that the national power crunch — driven in large part by the proliferation of data centers — has created a national security emergency.

In addition to the Pentagon directive, Trump also said Wednesday that his administration will use funds from the Department of Energy to pay for upgrades at coal plants in Kentucky, North Carolina, Ohio and West Virginia “to keep them online and keep those plants open.”

The administration’s unprecedented actions to force power companies and consumers to subsidize coal plants that were otherwise headed toward retirement have unleashed a fierce backlash from state attorneys general, utility industry officials and ratepayer advocates in several states.

Energy Secretary Chris Wright has repeatedly invoked little-used emergency powers to cancel the planned retirement of five large coal facilities. The orders, which are being challenged in court by at least 15 states, effectively command power companies to scrap closure plans and invest whatever is required to keep the plants operating. Those costs are generally passed along to utility ratepayers through higher bills.

The result, according to Ari Peskoe, an energy scholar at Harvard University, has been to “raise energy bills while providing negligible benefits to consumers.”

“Each of the five plants were slated to retire because they are expensive to operate and there are cheaper sources of power available to meet consumers’ needs,” Peskoe said. “Plant owners aren’t just flipping a switch to turn the plants back on — they are spending millions on maintenance, renewing expired coal contracts and rehiring workers.”

The owners of a Colorado coal plant the administration has ordered to remain open have argued that the Trump administration is illegally forcing them to keep operating. Two Colorado utilities, Tri-State Generation and Transmission Association and Platte River Power Authority, said in a federal regulatory filing last month that the directive amounts to an unconstitutional taking of private property. “The costs of compliance fall directly on their members and customers, who must now pay,” said the filing, which disputes the Energy Department’s finding that the plant is crucial to avert an energy shortage in the Western U.S.

Fifteen states are seeking to block the Trump administration’s orders to keep coal plants open by suing to overturn its declaration early last year of an “energy emergency,” which the Energy Department is using to justify the directives.

The cost to ratepayers of keeping the plants open is considerable. The owner of the J.H. Campbell complex, a western Michigan coal power generating plant ordered to remain open by the administration, has said it is costing $615,000 per day. An analysis by the research group Grid Strategies found that if the administration were to expand its directive to the dozens of coal plants scheduled for retirement by the end of 2028, the cost would exceed $3 billion annually.

The cost of the White House directive to the Pentagon to buy coal is unclear, as the administration did not immediately offer data on the Defense Department’s existing energy contracts and how much more it would be authorized to spend to increase its coal electricity use. But it will come at a price, said Rob Gramlich, president of Grid Strategies.

“Taxpayers will have to pay for whatever DOD is buying,” he said.

Political Miscalculation

A little more than two decades ago, coal generated most of the country’s electricity. Today it contributes 15 percent. Competition from cheaper sources of energy, especially natural gas, made that happen — not government. Non-carbon energy sources such as solar and wind, which together already eclipse coal’s output, have also cut into the business.

The political calculus here is also off. In 2024, the entire coal mining industry employed fewer than 43,000 people in a country with a 172 million person labor force. Is subsidizing those jobs worth the anger that Americans will feel as their utility bills tick upward?

It’s an Emergency

To protect coal, Trump is willing to drive up utility bills for everyone.

Coal is considered the dirtiest and most carbon-intensive fossil fuel. It releases significantly more greenhouse gases, air pollution (sulfur dioxide, mercury), and solid waste (coal ash) per unit of energy compared to oil or natural gas.

Paying money to keep open pollution-producing plants that the free market wants to close is downright idiotic.

To repeat … Two Colorado utilities, Tri-State Generation and Transmission Association and Platte River Power Authority, said in a federal regulatory filing last month that the directive amounts to an unconstitutional taking of private property. “The costs of compliance fall directly on their members and customers, who must now pay,” said the filing, which disputes the Energy Department’s finding that the plant is crucial to avert an energy shortage in the Western U.S.

Somehow it’s an emergency to do this.

A more realistic emergency would be to shut the coal plants down sooner. The free market approach is to let them go naturally.

On the Energy Front

January 5, 2026: How Long Will it Take to Ramp Up Production of Venezuelan Oil?

Here are responses from AI, the WSJ, and an energy investor who posts on my blog.

January 5, 2026: Trump Is “Probably Inclined to Keep Exxon Out” of Venezuela

Trump has a hissy fit because Exxon called Venezuela uninvestable.

January 25, 2026: US Will Not Offer Security to Oil Firms in Venezuela, So Why Go?

Is the US going to run Venezuela or not? Maybe it runs itself.

February 2, 2025: Trump Claims “We Have All the Oil We Need” True or False?

By volume, we are reasonably close. But by grades of oil US refiners need, we aren’t. Here are the details.

Instead of promoting more energy from Canada, Trump marched into Venezuela to steal its oil.

Click on the preceding link for a discussion of Canadian oil.

US energy policy is now best described as reckless.

Addendum

My opening statement was “When everything is an emergency, nothing is.”

I like this phrase better.

“Turning everything into an emergency creates real emergencies.”

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Derecho
Derecho
1 month ago

Shout out to the combined cycle gas turbine technology for pushing out the inefficient coal plants. Of course the shale boom helped as well.

Frosty
Frosty
1 month ago

In 2024 China installed 277 gigawatts of solar power.
in 2025 China installed 315 gigawatts of solar power.

At the end of 2025 China produced over 1,300 Gigawatts of solar power (this is more than 50% of global nuclear power generation).

In 2026 China will install over 500 gigawatts of solar power.

By 2028 they have plans on installing 1,000 gigawatts of solar power every year for an undefined period of time.

Chinese solar power production will allow their modern and largely new grid to provide remarkably inexpensive power to their people and corporations. Power generation will eclipse the wests paltry attempt to supply coal, natural gas and nuclear power to their AI power guzzling monstrosities.

Trump is a barbarian, straight from the Dark Ages.

Derecho
Derecho
1 month ago
Reply to  Frosty

True yet even China built 1 new coal plant each week of 2025 (95 GW). A further 161 GW are proposed in 2026.

PreCambrian
PreCambrian
1 month ago
Reply to  Frosty

You are confusing a few units. Watts (giga, tera, kilo, etc.) are a rate while production is in watt hours (rate x time). China will produce about 1,170,000 GWh from solar in 2025 while total nuclear generation in 2025 is about 2,900,000 GWh. Remember nuclear will run basically 100% of the time while solar won’t even average 50% of rated capacity.

I am not anti-solar it just needs to be designed into the electrical system by engineers (I happen to be an electrical engineer) not by politicians. China is also installing a lot of nuclear power and is leading the world in thorium modular system reactor research taking over where the United States left off several decades ago. China has over 32 nuclear power plants under construction with a capacity of 34 GW.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  PreCambrian

He is not confusing his units.

GW are used measure installed capacity. How much continuous power the facility can produce at any instant. Most nuclear plants today are rated at 1 GW capacity.

GWH are used to measure actual output from that installed capacity per hour. Any generator can be throttled back to produce less than max capacity.

A 1 GW plant operating at max capacity for 24 hr will produce 24 GWH. Operating at 50% it will produce 12 GWH.

GW are the best way to represent installed capacity.

Frosty’s numbers for China’s installed capacity look about right to me.

If you want to compare China’s actual electricity output in 2025 (in GWH or TWH) and then break it down into percentages for easy comparison, it looks like this:

Coal: 55%
Hydro: 14%
Wind: 11%
Solar: 11%
Nuclear: 5%
Gas: 3%
Biofuels: 2%

Numbers are rounded, so it adds to 101%.

As you can see, nuclear is far less than both wind and solar. And while China will add 30 GW of nuclear over the next 5 years, they will also add over 1000 GW of solar and wind.

Why? Because they are much cheaper.

Frosty
Frosty
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

And China is building the Medog hydroelectric power station which will produce 3,000 GW annually from its 60,000 Megawatt installed capacity..

The aforementioned solar power generation will be exceptionally stable as it is being fed into giant battery banks for even distribution.

Recall that China is not run by a corrupt pervert and bully. They have thoughtful leadership that is interested in nation building, not chaos…

Frosty
Frosty
1 month ago

Who Does Trump Work For?

PreCambrian
PreCambrian
1 month ago

The new Trump Class Battleships will burn coal.

SleemoG
SleemoG
1 month ago

Friedman’s idea of burying $100 bills and paying people to dig them up, with the added bonus of environmental destruction.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 month ago

If we are going back 100 years, can we at least put the Bolivian marching powder back in Coca-Cola?

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
1 month ago

100% I would be putting laudanum in my coffee at work.

ASFG
ASFG
1 month ago

I want to see Mar a Lago with glowing coal stoves and fires in the kitchen to inspire the Great Replacement. Umm… maybe that wasn’t the best choice of words?

Last edited 1 month ago by ASFG
CJW
CJW
1 month ago

Didn’t he shut down a solar energy project last year? Where was the energy emergency then? Shutting down solar to buy more coal? He is a human wrecking ball.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  CJW

Trump shut down 6 Gw of offshore wind projects last year, one of which was 85% complete. A judge reinstated the projects. He shut them again for a different reason. Radar interference and national security.

strongGnu
strongGnu
1 month ago

You need twenty tons of coal to make one one ton of steel.

The real issue is national defence. Do you realize that US does not produce sheet steel in the US? We could not build a ship if we had to without imports. During the time people are complaining about coal, China get 60% of their electricty from coal. Should we put a coal tariff on chinese goods to reduce coal emmissions? We know how much the left likes tariffs. All the while China is importing over one million extra barrels of oil per day. Sometimes you have to think and read between the lines.

We are not listening to the Chinese who are plainly stating they are going to start a war. The best way to prevent one is to signal to your advesary that we are prepared and willing. We are signalling to the Chinese we are preparing. The real irony is Trump will probably have to save California with the coal, just like Germany had to start burning lignite (brown coal) when their fuel disappeared.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
1 month ago
Reply to  strongGnu

What would we go to war with China over that actually matters to our national security? And please don’t say Taiwan.

strongGnu
strongGnu
1 month ago
Reply to  Tenacious D

Unless you want to go to 1970’s with points and carburetors, Semiconductors. The most advanced ones are made in Taiwan. Without them modern life stops. The problem is you think China thinks like the west. Ask Putin how his 3-day military operation is going in Ukraine with over one million Russian casualties. Dictators (Xi) do not care about their people. This is why – the sacking of their top military leaders, who are most likely trying to stop XI, is so important. 
One current war scenario has the US getting rid of a few dams and 30% of their industry would flood and 10 million would die in 10 days. Another 50% would die in a year from starvation with the Malaysian straight closed and the US would bomb the Taiwanese semi-conductor plants. All of this over some silicon. 

gwp
gwp
1 month ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Putin didn’t say 3 days that was US General Miley

Mondo
Mondo
1 month ago
Reply to  strongGnu

“The problem is you think China thinks like the west” (China doesn’t)

This is the path that President Trump and the United States has embarked upon…It is a path we have walked together before and hope to walk together againits soldiers pouring out from its shores to cross oceans, settle new continents, build vast empires extending out across the globe. 
Secretary of State Marco Rubio, February 14, 2026
“One current war scenario has the US getting rid of a few dams…would flood and 10 million would die in 10 days. Another 50% would die in a year from starvation.”
-Gnu

We are the barbarians. God damn Uncle Sam!

Jackula
Jackula
1 month ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Queue Twilight zone music

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Trump is demanding that the Pentagon buy Thermal coal which is used for electricity generation. The US uses roughly 370 MMSt of thermal coal per year.

You are talking about Metallurgical Coal or Coking coal, which is used to make steel.

A different type of coal. We use about 40 MMst per year of Coking Coal.

They are not interchangeable.

Trump is not talking about Coking coal.

strongGnu
strongGnu
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

It all comes from a coal mine. If you don’t have operating mines you dont have thermal or coking coal.

Last edited 1 month ago by strongGnu
Creamer
Creamer
1 month ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Imagine being proven you don’t know what you’re talking about and still talking regardless.

strongGnu
strongGnu
1 month ago
Reply to  Creamer

Bitumonous coal is used for both thermal and metallurical coal. There is no such thing as metallurical coal that is not processed first. The raw material is the same, bitumounous coal. The difference is one is turned into a powder and sprayed into a furnace and the other is treated in the abscense of air to burn off impurities to get to the correct sulfer and ash content. Not all coal is the same but bitumous coal from the Eastern United States is used in both applications.

Last edited 1 month ago by strongGnu
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Nope. The coal is different. Even if it happens to come from the same mine, it comes from different veins.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 month ago
Reply to  Creamer

Sometimes it’s better to be thought a fool than open one’s mouth and remove all doubt

strongGnu
strongGnu
1 month ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Bitumonous coal is used for both thermal and metallurical coal. There is no such thing as metallurical coal that is not processed first. The raw material is the same, bitumounous coal. The difference is one is turned into a powder and sprayed into a furnace and the other is treated in the abscense of air to burn off impurities to get to the correct sulfer and ash content. Not all coal is the same but bitumous coal from the Eastern United States is used in both applications.

Rogerroger
Rogerroger
1 month ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Trade and finical ties are prob the best way not to go to war.

Neil
Neil
1 month ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Wait, it’s the left that likes tariffs now? We can just ignore all the Trump Tariff Madness and blame the left for them?

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 month ago
Reply to  Neil

He may have bankrupted a failed sarcasm venture

Jon
Jon
1 month ago
Reply to  strongGnu

China has absolutely no intentions of starting a war with the USA. It doesn’t even have the means to put troops on US soil. China is also working quickly to replace coal with nuclear, solar and wind. The “war” with China is over investment in intellectual property and industrial production. The Trump administration is doing its best to lose both.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 month ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Arguing for utilizing coal when nuclear is clearly the better option is just 100 years behind our time.

Flavia
Flavia
1 month ago
Reply to  strongGnu

So your buddy Trump is a leftist? LOL

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
1 month ago
Reply to  Flavia

This is a common talking point from rats on a sinking ship. They’ve squeaked it at me here before.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
1 month ago

Off topic but did anyone else see this video of NY PD ripping the mask off of ICE and putting them in cuffs. lol!

https://www.reddit.com/r/AllConspiracyTheories/comments/1r5cjrz/ice_melts_in_new_york/

Man I love NYC.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Those cops are badass!

Mondo
Mondo
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Nowadays, truth is in the eye of the beholder.
Are you able to corroborate that footage?

All that I can find is this:
Video of NYPD arresting ICE agents is AI-generated

  • Published on November 24, 2025 at 12:54

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.84RL9G3

and this:
AI-generated videos showing NYPD officers confronting federal immigration authorities have been circulating on social media for weeks, confusing some people who assumed that they were real.
https://gothamist.com/news/ai-videos-of-fake-nypdice-clashes-spread-in-a-perfect-storm-for-propaganda

Mondo
Mondo
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Nowadays truth is in the eye of the beholder
Are you able to corroborate this clip?

All I was able to find were two stories claiming it is an old AI production.

ksu82
ksu82
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Why did you waste our time. That was all AI. The mans jacket says PICE before the take of the mask. Also, the subway stop is Sotree Steet and 42eet.

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  ksu82

HA HA HA. I LOVE BEING HAD.

Flavia
Flavia
1 month ago
Reply to  ksu82

It was entertaining anyway.

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

that is spectacular. love to see the black shirts aka mussolini, in my home town giving the black shirts aka hitler, a dose of their own medicine.

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  bmcc

LOVE TO BE FOOLED AND HAD.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Why are you posting AI garbage video here?

Flavia
Flavia
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Thanks for this…..looked like they were gonna throw the one guy on the tracks!

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago

… and trump coin is up 12%.

Hmmm…

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
1 month ago

It seems to me that Trump administration could get much more accomplished if it stood back and let the free market via many relatively small decisions make the grand decisions on our energy supply and distribution. The best thing he could do is remove punitive permitting roadblocks that add to costs and uncertainty. Creating artificial demand for coal will ultimately work out like creating artificial demand for EV’s, misallocated capital and costly overcapacity when the incentives are removed. One thing all the government involvement creates is opportunity for graft and corruption.

A perfect example of government messing things up is the 850,000 bpd Alberta to US Keystone pipeline fiasco. Trump stepped in during his first administration by removing permitting roadblocks, only to have Biden rescind the permits well after construction had commenced. Trump tried to get it reestablished in his second term but too late as construction did not restart and Canada twinned a pipeline from the Alberta fields to the west coast for crude export to more dependable Asian markets. It will take a long time, be more expensive and less environmentally friendly to replace the Canadian crude source with Venezuelan oil, if ever.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
1 month ago
Reply to  Dave Smith

But how would he get that sweet, sweet bribe money that way?

He doesn’t govern, he grifts, and like any pig, he never has enough.

Webej
Webej
1 month ago

Emergencies are the surest way to arrogate power.

In any organization, invoking security or safety is a sure-fire way to bypass any discussion or weighing various considerations.

War is an emergency, allowing you to silence traitors and skip normal judicial process.

Remember the Homeland Security Act; the ongoing state of emergency. Abrogation of Habeas Corpus. “Terror” as an exception to normal rules of policing and justice. Why do you think all dictators invoke foreign enemies to rally the population, just as Goebbels outlined.

Emergencies justify tyranny.

BigBob
BigBob
1 month ago

Trump is a demented senile old asshole who lives in the past. He thinks it is 1970 again. Half the country has an IQ less than 100. Guess where Trump gets his support?

Naphtali
Naphtali
1 month ago
Reply to  BigBob

Stable geniuses?

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
1 month ago
Reply to  BigBob

Stu, LOL

Webej
Webej
1 month ago

This business with mandating coal use has also been effected in various States the past decade.

Maybe a mandate to generate electricity from oil instead of gas?

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  Webej

Gas generation is roughly half the price of coal generation. Oil is roughly twice as expensive as coal. That’s why we don’t use oil for electricity. Too expensive.

Webej
Webej
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Yes. I forgot the </s> tag

Cuba does it, but not because they have money to burn.
They do it because it’s too warm to use the fuel oil in your tank to heat the house — just kidding

Last edited 1 month ago by Webej
Greenhawks
Greenhawks
1 month ago

Coal companies will overcharge the Pentagon department of defense and give the regime hacks their kickback

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
1 month ago
Reply to  Greenhawks

Exactly, the only question is how are YOU going to profit from this scheme? That’s why I come to Mishtalk, get ideas to make my own little profits from the big graft schemes.

It’s also why I come here to read the comments, even the dumb ones from MAGA because while these people are fools, their screams and bellyaching usually tell me where the profits are in a cycle.

Remember all the idiots screaming about vaccines? Oh boy, lots of profits on big pharma that year. I know screams will be coming about electricity soon enough but I’m already positioned from profit.

Next up likely are energy prices, getting positioned for profits as we speak.

Greenhawks
Greenhawks
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Well information is power and I am not an investor but I do not like mafiosa crooks running our government

MMcHenry
MMcHenry
1 month ago

Like the skit on Comedy Central whatever the question is the answer is “a bribe”.

Like the Ambassador Bridge Billionaire the answer for something nonsensical no less is very likely “a bribe”.

Neil
Neil
1 month ago

People voted for more corruption, higher inflation and more pollution. Trump’s actions are in line with what he said he’d do. People got what they voted for, because at least now we ‘own the libs’.

Greenhawks
Greenhawks
1 month ago

Why?

Greenhawks
Greenhawks
1 month ago
Reply to  Greenhawks

Why is this being done? Because the regime can skim and scam money out of coal deal

Greenhawks
Greenhawks
1 month ago
Reply to  Greenhawks

Or coal industry told their puppet to do it obvious trump is serving coal natural gas and oil industries etcetera and making money off of it and the coal companies will overcharge and trump gets a cut

MMcHenry
MMcHenry
1 month ago
Reply to  Greenhawks

A bribe no doubt

Greenhawks
Greenhawks
1 month ago
Reply to  MMcHenry

Every move by the regime gets compensated monetarily which is a bribe

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago

COMRADE PEDERAST, and his diddling command of the economy. a bit off topic but might help some fellow mish fans………….https://www.longtermtrends.com/real-estate-gold-ratio/

Albert
Albert
1 month ago

Trump is just doing what the Communists used to do. If there was lack of demand for something unwanted that was produced by the planned economy (and there was lots of that kind of stuff), somebody was ordered by decree to buy the unwanted stuff. The Republican party as the vanguard of a new form of 21st century Communism?

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
1 month ago
Reply to  Albert

Trump is the most communist president in the history of America. Telling or forcing every company to change their business models, where to manufacture, how to manufacture, who to hire, and worst of all is taking equity in firms! Total insanity but that’s expected from someone suffering from dementia and an empire in decline.

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

get a history book and read about lincoln and grant………..and many more of our POTUS

Avery2
Avery2
1 month ago

Need a Black Start from grid or nat gas.

sNarayana
sNarayana
1 month ago

We have to find new ways retrofit those tanks to use coal. May be bombers are next.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
1 month ago

“To protect coal, Trump is willing to drive up utility bills for everyone.”

Well then the executive order should include a mandate that all coal be mined with spoons. That should create a ton of jobs!

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

And transported by mules.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Mules stealing jobs? no way! Each sack of coal must be carried by a white supremacist to make America great again!

And when the white man makes love to his white wife but ends up with a black baby she can blame it on the coal dust!

bmcc
bmcc
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

ha haha

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

If by “carried by a white supremacist” you mean he finds a darker skinned person to carry it for him while he rains insults on them, then I understand your point a lot more clearly.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 month ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Paul Krugman, how did you slither in here?

SleemoG
SleemoG
1 month ago

Milton Friedman actually.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago

I am in favor of all forms of energy; even coal; provided there are no better and cheaper alternatives available.

We have been shuttering coal plants for decades as they are no longer competitive with alternatives like natural gas, solar and onshore wind.

During Trump’s first term, when he promoted beautiful clean coal, 48GW of coal generation was shut down. A record amount for any 4 year period in US history. And more than shut down in 8 years under Obama.

Also during Trumps first term, 5300 coal miners lost their jobs.

Mining was one of the two industries with the highest concentration of mega‑bankruptcies.

• Murray Energy (2019) – largest private coal miner in the U.S.
• Westmoreland Coal (2018)
• Cloud Peak Energy (2019)
• Blackjewel LLC (2019)

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

And they will go bankrupt again as soon as the next President comes in and removes all these stupid EO’s. The mining companies will ramp up thinking this is how it’s going to be from now on and then get the rug pulled from under.

Got LEAP PUTS on coal miners?

Last edited 1 month ago by MPO45v2
Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

You have to make sure the intended replacements are ready before shutting down the old sources. Germany closed its nukes and now it’s importing lignite.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  Sentient

Correct. It is stupid to do otherwise. In almost all cases where us coal generation was shut down, it was replaced at the same time with natural gas or renewables.

Crispin
Crispin
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

The idea that renewables “replace coal” is flawed. They cannot possibly replace baseload generators no matter what they do. There is a theory that renewables connected to massive power storage hardware can act as if they are despatchable baseload, but that comes at a massive cost.

The coal fired generators closed “during Trump’s time” were long scheduled – years before – and as such were only maintained to make it to closure day. When politicians interfere with the grid, calamities inevitably follow because plant construction, maintenance and retirement are not political matters.

Someone, somewhere, wants the US to commit energy suicide the way Germany did, dragging down those around it with them. It is amazing to watch from the sidelines. Limiting technologies because the input is coal is anti-progress.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  Crispin

It doesn’t matter what you want to believe. I really don’t care.

And it isn’t me you need to convince. I’m not the one installing the generation. You need to convince all the countries and companies that are installing that generation.

The numbers are the numbers.

Each year, the world keeps adding more electricity generation, and renewables make up more than 80% of that new generation every year.

Perhaps you should contact all the countries and companies that are installing that renewable generation and tell them what a big mistake they are making. I’m sure you will be able to change their minds.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  Sentient

The US has shut 41 nuclear reactors since 1980. And built 4. We replaced them with natural gas mostly.

Last edited 1 month ago by PapaDave
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Soon we will pay for those mistakes, China will open 40+ and dump that power in the AI race – aka the military and security superiority race

radar
radar
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Papa are you still bullish on Canadian oil and gas?

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  radar

Yes. It is a long term play. Though I myself trade the stocks daily as well.

Canada is a stable country with the 4th largest oil reserves in the world at a time.

radar
radar
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Thank you. May I ask what you think is the best platform for trading those stocks. I own some but they are OTC which don’t have much volume. I don’t have a foreign brokerage account since that would play havoc with my job but I’m thinking about retiring soon.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  radar

Any of these are suitable:

Interactive Brokers
Charles Shwab
Fidelity
TD Ameritrade

I have used both Interactive and TD.

radar
radar
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Thanks Papa!

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  radar

You’re welcome!

Sentient
Sentient
1 month ago

Coal contains thorium. If Trump had anyone smart around him, he should support liquid salt thorium reactors.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  Sentient

Too bad thorium reactors are so expensive and unreliable.

The only successful thorium reactor in use today is a small 2MW experimental reactor in China. Meanwhile China is building 30 conventional 1 GW reactors right now because the technology is proven. But because nuclear is still so expensive, China focuses more on inexpensive renewables.They added 370 GW of renewables in 2024 and 452 GW of renewables in 2025. More than 10x what we are adding.

Stu
Stu
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

What concrete reasoning, can be used to warrant this thought? I’m out of possibilities…

Stu
Stu
1 month ago
Reply to  Stu

Using Coal again.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 month ago
Reply to  Stu

The grift. What explains everything that Trump does? Hint, go back to the start of this post.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  Stu

What’s so hard to understand? I am simply explaining that Sentient is promoting a technology that is both expensive, unstable and unlikely to be used. Which is why we are using other technologies to generate electricity instead.

Stu
Stu
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

I get what you’re saying and I agree with you. I have not seen a reason, from the administration, explaining why we would need to do so. I thought that your expertise in this arena would have some valuable insight on WTF they are doing, and why. I spent a few hours trying to find a plausible reasonable explanation, but came up dry…

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
1 month ago
Reply to  Stu

I spent a few hours trying to find a plausible reasonable explanation, but came up dry

LOL

Crispin
Crispin
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Many of the wind generators in China are in the west of the populated regions. During winter when the wind is strongest they are turned off. Coal fired plants are run in winter because the rejected heat is used in large district heating systems for homes and factories. The system efficiency is very high. There is no way wind-electricity can be used to heat cities. It would be wildly expensive to do that. The idea that renewables are “inexpensive” is not supported by any macro perspective. The cost of installing additional capacity has little to do with the cost of a reliably delivered KWH. Humans, it turns out, cannot occasionally freeze to death a few times a year to satisfy the ideological goals of people who are bad at math.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  Crispin

Correct. China uses wind, solar, hydro electric and nuclear primarily for electricity generation. Not for heating. No one said otherwise.

They are rapidly expanding their electricity generation because they are transforming into an electro-state. And they are using the least expensive forms.

The LCOE for various types of electricity generation: all unsubsidized. Ranges are wide depending on the difficulty of each project.

Solar: $29-$60 per Mwh
Onshore wind: $27-$73
Offshore wind: $72-$159
Geothermal: $82-$$152
Hydropower: $61-$204
Gas: $39-$101
Coal: $72-$166
Nuclear: $141-$221
Gas Peaker: $151-$198

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