Trump Signs Order Cutting Off All Federal Benefits for Illegal Immigrants

Trump’s executive order is definitely legal. But what does it mean in practice?

Trump Ends Federal Subsidies for Illegal Immigrants

Please consider this White House Fact Sheet on Taxpayer Subsidization of Open Borders.

PRESERVING FEDERAL BENEFITS FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order to ensure taxpayer resources are not used to incentivize or support illegal immigration.

  • The Order directs Federal departments and agencies to identify all federally funded programs currently providing financial benefits to illegal aliens and take corrective action.
  • It ensures that Federal funds to states and localities will not be used to support “sanctuary” policies or assist illegal immigration.
  • It mandates improvements in eligibility verification to prevent benefits from going to individuals unlawfully present in the United States.
  • President Trump is committed to safeguarding Federal public benefits for American citizens who are truly in need, including individuals with disabilities and veterans.

Executive Order Claims

  • The surge in illegal immigration, enabled by the previous Administration, is siphoning dollars and essential services from American citizens while state and local budgets grow increasingly strained.
  • Under current welfare laws, specifically the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA), illegal aliens are generally barred from welfare programs. But if they’re granted parole, they are classified as “qualified aliens” and become eligible for various welfare programs on a sliding scale, with full eligibility granted within five years.
  • According to the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), providing welfare to one million illegal aliens could cost American taxpayers an additional $3 billion annually.
  • The U.S. House Homeland Security Committee estimated that taxpayers could pay as much as $451 billion to care for illegal aliens and gotaways that have entered the United States unlawfully since January 2021.
  • The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) calculated that American taxpayers spend at least $182 billion annually to cover the costs incurred by the presence of 20 million illegal aliens and their children, which includes $66.5 billion in Federal expenses plus an additional $115.6 billion in state and local expenses.
  • The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated that the Biden Administration’s open borders agenda, which sought to provide Medicaid-funded emergency services to illegal aliens, has cost Federal and state taxpayers more than $16.2 billion.
  • The Biden Administration gave billions in taxpayer dollars to left-wing groups that facilitated mass illegal migration and provided legal services to challenge deportation orders.
  • In addition, since 2021, more than $1 billion has been allocated through the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to illegal aliens.

Already the Law Since 1996

Please consider H.R.3734 – Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996

Title IV: Restricting Welfare and Public Benefits for Aliens – Declares that: (1) it is a compelling government interest to enact new rules for eligibility and sponsorship agreements in order to assure that aliens be self-reliant in accordance with national immigration policy; and (2) it is a compelling government interest to remove the incentive for illegal immigration provided by the availability of public benefits.

Subtitle A: Eligibility for Federal Benefits – Prohibits Federal public benefits (as defined by this Act) to aliens who are not qualified aliens (as defined by this Act). Stipulates that such prohibition shall not apply to: (1) emergency medical services; (2) certain emergency disaster relief; (3) public health immunizations and treatment of communicable diseases; (4) housing assistance; (5) certain in-kind community services; and (6) Social Security Act benefits under specified circumstances.

(Sec. 402) Makes qualified aliens ineligible (with limited exceptions for refugees, asylees, certain permanent residents, veterans and active duty personnel, aliens whose deportation is withheld, and aliens currently receiving benefits) for: (1) supplemental security income (SSI); (2) food stamps; (3) temporary assistance for needy families; (4) social services block grants; and (5) Medicaid.

(Sec. 403) Makes qualified aliens ineligible (with limited exceptions for refugees, asylees, and veterans and active duty personnel) for Federal means-tested public benefits (as defined by this Act) for the first five years after U.S. entry. Provides a special rule for certain Cuban and Haitian entrant assistance.

(Sec. 404) Requires each Federal agency administering a program covered by this title to post information and provide general notification to the public and program recipients, either directly or through the States, of the requirements concerning alien eligibility for any such program pursuant to this title.

Amends the Social Security Act and the United States Housing Act of 1937 to provide for State reporting of certain illegal alien information to the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS).

Subtitle B: Eligibility for State and Local Public Benefits Programs – Makes an alien who is not a qualified alien, a nonimmigrant, or a parolee ineligible for State or local benefits (as defined by this Act). Stipulates that such prohibition shall not apply to: (1) emergency medical services; (2) certain emergency disaster relief; (3) public health immunizations and treatment of communicable diseases; and (4) certain in-kind community services.

(Sec. 412) Authorizes States to determine eligibility for State public benefits for qualified aliens, nonimmigrants, or parolees. States that refugees, asylees, certain permanent residents, and veterans and active duty personnel shall be eligible for all State public benefits. Sets forth transition provisions for aliens currently receiving assistance.

What Does the Executive Order Do?

The EO pertains to federal but not state assistance.

Note the FEMA claim is only $1 billion: “Since 2021, more than $1 billion has been allocated through the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to illegal aliens.”

I certainly object to disaster relief from hurricanes and fires going to house illegal immigrants. And Trump will surely put an end to it. But for all the fuming, there’s not much to see.

What to Know About Trump’s Order Targeting Federal Benefits for Migrants

The New York Times discusses the setup in What to Know About Trump’s Order Targeting Federal Benefits for Migrants

The directive is short on specifics, but it says that Mr. Trump wants all federal agencies to find out what government funds are being given out improperly. The Office of Management and Budget and the so-called Department of Government Efficiency have 30 days to find other streams of federal funding to people who are in the country illegally.

What federal benefits are undocumented immigrants eligible for now?

Not many. There are some exceptions for emergency medical care and public schooling for children. But in general, people who are in the country illegally cannot receive federal benefits. This is enshrined in the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996. Changes to eligibility would have to go through Congress.

The lack of federal benefits for undocumented immigrants is one reason some cities across the country have been struggling to support an influx of people who crossed the border illegally in recent years.

The NYT says “There is no current federal assessment for how much the federal government spends on undocumented immigrants.”

Trump does make claims, but most do not appear to be strictly Federal claims other than FEMA.

The CBO says “Medicaid-funded emergency services to illegal aliens, has cost Federal and state taxpayers more than $16.2 billion.”

The CBO dis not state what portion of Medicaid is Federal. AI says ~80 percent is Federal. So, 80 percent of $16.2 billion = $13 billion.

The claims by FAIR are on the wild side to say the least. A realistic direct funding estimate is $15 to $20 billion.

Three EO Realities

  • Unless there is a state crackdown, the benefits may not amount to much.
  • DOGE will investigate but expect exaggerated claims.
  • This EO will increase fear in the migrant communities.

Perhaps the third bullet point is the primary purpose of the order.

Just because something is the law does not mean it is enforced. FEMA alone shows that it wasn’t.

I have no problem with enforcing the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996.

DOGE investigating the issue is a good idea.

Apprehensions Down 85 Percent

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection CBP Report shows that from Jan. 21 through Jan. 31, 2025, the number apprehensions along the southwest border dropped 85% from the same period in 2024.

Congrats to Team Trump.

Recessionary Items

  • Illegal immigration has plunged.
  • Trump will shut down whatever illegal aid is still happening.
  • Tariffs and tariff uncertainties are up.
  • Housing starts dropped 9.8 percent.
  • Retail sales plunged.

All of the above items are recessionary at the margin. But we do not know what fiscal stimulus will be when Congress addresses the budget.

Importantly, we do not have any idea when budget progress might happen. If it’s two bills and not one, with border issues first, stimulus will be delayed.

There’s crazy stuff potentially on deck such as an “iron dome” defense shield for the US. How much would that cost?

The budget items are definitely inflationary but the above list is recessionary.

if Trump quickly resolves Russia, we may see a big disinflationary impact due to falling oil prices.

And the sudden halt to illegal immigration is very disinflationary for rent prices as well as recessionary.

It is very difficult to sort out the net impacts when we do not even know what the budget looks like.

Related Items

February 4, 2025: Job Openings Drop by 556,000 in December, Quits Show Job Finding Stress

Job openings have collapsed. And the number of quits confirms people are staying put.

February 5, 2025: ADP Payrolls Better than Expected But Two-Thirds of the Economy Has Stalled

ADP reported a better than expected 183,000 jobs in January, but small business trends are unsettling.

February 19, 2025: Housing Starts Drop 9.8 Percent, Unable to Retain Any Traction

Housing starts have mostly been rangebound since late 2022 as high prices and high mortgage rates dampen demand.

February 20, 2025: How Will 77,000 DOGE Terminations Impact Unemployment and Jobs?

As of Feb. 13, 77,000 employees accepted the offer, according to White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt.

On February 14, I noted Retail Sales Crash – Did the Consumer Finally Throw in the Towel?

The Census Department shows huge across-the-board declines in multiple categories, down 0.9 percent overall.

One aspect I did not discuss above is the net impact on retail sales due to the plunge in illegal immigration.

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James
James
9 months ago

Some of the big three results of the EO ‘fear will increase in the migrant community’, close but only for ILLEGALS, legal migrants have nothing to fear. And, why should criminals be free from fear of being treated like criminals? Again, I wouldn’t want to but, I couldn’t go just about anywhere else in the world, uninvited, and expect freebies.

eckbach
eckbach
9 months ago

An asinine assessment. The vast money is in the cost to get them here in defiance of US law 1324. All the purported empty FEMA camps couldn’t hold all the felons in this vast architecture of treason.

Cocoa
Cocoa
9 months ago

Why the complaining about these actions. You turn over rocks, find a billion here and there. Fire some useless feds. Stop the flow of money to fake NGOs and you get a trillion. A billion bucks is a BILLION people! That can build hundreds of high schools

Ed@yahoo.com
Ed@yahoo.com
9 months ago

Can we please claw back all the illegal spending on illegals by Joe and his team?

Patrick
Patrick
9 months ago

Britain is an imploding empire. We don’t need that.

Corvinus
Corvinus
9 months ago

Common sense policy that should not be controversial in the slightest. Leftists however will say its amounts to crimes against humanity. I went from live and let live type Libertarianism to hard core conservative over time because of leftist excess. And I am a first generation euro-american immigrant. My folks came to this country and scraped without any welfare at all. To blazes with these largely Hispanic open handed illegals.

Patrick
Patrick
9 months ago
Reply to  Corvinus

Do they still cook a nice goulash?

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
9 months ago

Ilan will check if Fort Knox gold was distributed and if the Fort is empty.

Last edited 9 months ago by Michael Engel
JeffD
JeffD
9 months ago

A lot of recent spending has been new “household formation” money related to illegal immigrants. This includes incremental new outlays on shelter, transportation, furnishings, appliances, food and services such as utilities, including communication. This is new spending that each and every new illegal immigrant was bringing with them as they crossed the border. I agree that a total shutdown at the border is disinflationary, and quite frankly the country needs it to “catch its breath”. Like Canada, the USA was not prepared for this insane rate of influx.

Tim
Tim
9 months ago

Imagine the waste fraud and abuse that could be exposed if all government disbursements were available to the public to view online?

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
9 months ago

I expect 4,600/4,800 SPX, sometimes this year, before moving higher.

Jim
Jim
9 months ago

Great move! I heartedly approve!!!

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago

It is very difficult to sort out the net impacts when we do not even know what the budget looks like.”

Have you tried asking an AI?

Bayleaf
Bayleaf
9 months ago

“According to the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), providing welfare to one million illegal aliens could cost American taxpayers an additional $3 billion annually.”

LOL! What complete BS! Time for DOGE to visit CIS.

It cost the American taxpayers almost $1.5 trillion annually to feed, house and provide medical care and education for illegal aliens. That’s for an estimated 20 million illegal aliens, which is on the low end.

Last edited 9 months ago by Bayleaf
Laura
Laura
9 months ago

Now Trump needs to financially AND criminally punish the employers that hire the illegals. Let’s start with $100,000 fine and 1 year in Rikers island prison in NY per illegal hired.

whirlaway
whirlaway
9 months ago
Reply to  Laura

But what if they have already made multiple $100,000 donations and now have Trump, Vance, Newsom or other politicians dancing to their tune for 2/4/6 years?

Laura
Laura
9 months ago
Reply to  whirlaway

No FREE passes. You hire an illegal you pay the fine to the government and go to prison.

Patrick
Patrick
9 months ago
Reply to  Laura

Didn’t Biden sue Musk because SpaceX was not hiring illegals to continue putting 85% of all payload into orbit, catch a rocket descending back to earth in giant arms … etc. ?

President Musk
President Musk
9 months ago
Reply to  Laura

He will do NO such thing.

Flavia
Flavia
9 months ago
Reply to  President Musk

There you are! Where was you this morning, when we were protesting you at the Tesla dealership??

Walt
Walt
9 months ago
Reply to  Laura

Bwahahaha!

We could have done that anytime in the last 50 years. I’ll let you ponder why we never did and perhaps you’ll figure out why we won’t this time either.

LM2020
LM2020
9 months ago

This is just a trial run. Trump and Ellen’s real plan is to gut social security and Medicare and give that money to billionaires. Useful idiots cheer it on.

President Musk
President Musk
9 months ago
Reply to  LM2020

Shhh! You’re scaring the fish!

Laura
Laura
9 months ago
Reply to  LM2020

Social Security is never going away for those currently collecting. Benefits may get cut, but they’re not going away. Anyone under 50 may never collect.

Bayleaf
Bayleaf
9 months ago
Reply to  LM2020

Moron

Patrick
Patrick
9 months ago
Reply to  LM2020

MOAR MSNBC!

Ed@yahoo.com
Ed@yahoo.com
9 months ago
Reply to  LM2020

Who are you madam savant?
Stick to predicting the stock market.

Wisdom Seeker
Wisdom Seeker
9 months ago
Reply to  LM2020

The political math says no major cuts to SS benefits to legitimate beneficiaries.

Medicare must and will be reformed to deliver better outcomes at lower costs.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
9 months ago

Trump launched an Anti corruption campaign targeting senior Biden’s leaders to restore confidence. The media is shocked by his speed and ferocity. They protected Biden who destroyed this country. They support leaders and bureaucrats who defy Trump’s EO. The majority of the people elected Trump to do what he is doing. They don’t care about the media theater.

Last edited 9 months ago by Michael Engel
Ed@yahoo.com
Ed@yahoo.com
9 months ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

He needs to pass a law for term limits.
The 40 year term politicians have gutted the American people’s purchasing power and living standard.
Prime politician Biden who enriched himself and his family.
Secondary Pelosi who enriched herself and family.
The people want justice.
Prosecute them on RICO act.

Gerhard
Gerhard
9 months ago

There’s a remarkable number of people who like to talk about the immigration problem who don’t want anything serious done about the immigration problem.

That’s the real purpose of talking about it.

Every and any step that stops this problem is needed. After 50 years, don’t tell me that ‘fear in the migrant community’ is some problem. Its perfectly justifiable. There’s beem a lot of fear in American communities for decades. That gets forgotten in mere seconds after the virtue signalling ends. There’s been 50 years of this.

The duplicity is telling, and repulsive

Ed@yahoo.com
Ed@yahoo.com
9 months ago
Reply to  Gerhard

“but who is going to pick the tomatoes in California?”
it’s done by machines.

HBGuy
HBGuy
9 months ago

I hope POTUS and a DOGE team led by Elon Musk examine California’s allowing illegals to access MediCAL. Where are the funds for this coming from? The only thing illegals should be getting is a one way trip out of the country, ASAP!!

Joey Jones
Joey Jones
9 months ago

Mish, always saying things are recessionary, but it never happens. Broken clock is correct twice a day, I guess

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
9 months ago
Reply to  Joey Jones

There has been a lot of stimulus (government waste) preventing a recession.

Brutus Admirer
Brutus Admirer
9 months ago
Reply to  Joey Jones

An economy levitated by 7.3% of GDP deficit spending shouldn’t be judged as vulnerable? The timing of any reckoning for this or years of artificially depressed interest rates is complicated by many variables. Especially whether the Fed decides to print like drunken sailors again or not. Or whether DOGE has any significant success in trimming Leviathan’s corruption–which would create a triggering air pocket.

Timing is the most difficult part of prediction.

Last edited 9 months ago by Brutus Admirer
JeffD
JeffD
9 months ago
Reply to  Joey Jones

Cutting off the immigrant flow cold turkey will definitely slow spending dramatically. Deportations at the rate Trump wants will be a wash for up to one year, but then we will start to feel the loss of spending due to those deportations.

Last edited 9 months ago by JeffD
President Musk
President Musk
9 months ago

Just warming up for taking them from granny. Better get that extra room and self standing commode ready. Life is about to change.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
9 months ago
Reply to  President Musk

If there is one thing you can do for me Mr. President it is to gut social security and medicare. People here are complaining about $60 to $180b in government spend on illegals but that’s a drop in the bucket for the SS/Medicare scam that costs $2+ trillion per year and growing exponentially.

I know it’s hard but we gotta do the right thing to save America and I’m willing to sacrifice all the boomers if that’s what needs to be done.

Last edited 9 months ago by MPO45v2
President Musk
President Musk
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

So your granny is already dead? Thank you for your service.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
9 months ago
Reply to  President Musk

The middle class voted to gut their bennies so you rich folk can get your hard earned “even more riches.” We thank you for keeping us in our place with our votes.

whirlaway
whirlaway
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Any politician/party that guts SS and/or Medicare will find themselves gutted for a couple of generations at least.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
9 months ago
Reply to  whirlaway

I don’t think so, there are more millennials now than boomers and it was clear that Trump won amongst young converts and he even thanked TikTok for that so if you’re a boomer reliant on SS/Medicare, consider yourself on notice.

Wisdom Seeker
Wisdom Seeker
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Your math is wrong. The fraction of population either collecting or about to collect … or whose parents are collecting … is higher than ever.

Ed@yahoo.com
Ed@yahoo.com
9 months ago
Reply to  President Musk

Go practice your pitch!
You have no knowledge of the circumstances.
Better yet get treatment for your TDS>

Tony Frank
Tony Frank
9 months ago

Difficult to argue with this one…………

KGB
KGB
9 months ago
Reply to  Tony Frank

Fifty years too late is not too soon.

Blurtman
Blurtman
9 months ago

The Biden clown show gamed the refugee status granting program, and being described as a “refugee” is a means to receive Supplemental Security Income.

Ed@yahoo.com
Ed@yahoo.com
9 months ago
Reply to  Blurtman

You should see all the Ukrainian refugees lapping up the federal money in Florida.

JayW
JayW
9 months ago

$182B – That ain’t shabby. Let’s hope Trump can eliminate all of that spending in the next 12 months. MAGA!

President Musk
President Musk
9 months ago
Reply to  JayW

You just don’t get it, do you? No matter… you’ll be forced to when the 2025 deficit is reported.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
9 months ago
Reply to  President Musk

Keep running the same play until they stop it. It’s pretty easy to see what’s going on here.

robbyrob Im back!
robbyrob Im back!
9 months ago

“The more you can increase fear of drugs, crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.”
― Noam Chomsky

President Musk
President Musk
9 months ago

The stupid people, but there are enough of those to swing any election.

Ed@yahoo.com
Ed@yahoo.com
9 months ago

Control, you say!
Hope you had to take the Covid shot.
Let me know if still alive in 3 years.

robbyrob Im back!
robbyrob Im back!
9 months ago

Trump deported 37,660 people during his first month in office, far less than the monthly average of 57,000 removals and returns in the last full year of Biden administration.

fish
fish
9 months ago

Why do you want them here robbyrob? The cheap lawn care, the crime, the human trafficking?

It wasn’t great before but there was enough diffusion in both directions that we were at an equilibrium. Shotgun Joey screwed that up forever when he let his addled old grifter brain get talked into importing another 15 million all at once to “establish a permanent voting bloc” to maintain democratic control in perpetuity.

The days of making robbyrob feel morally superior on the taxpayers dime are over.

President Musk
President Musk
9 months ago
Reply to  fish

He doesn’t… but Reek can’t seem to keep up with Sleepy Joes deportation numbers, despite spending billions more.

Flavia
Flavia
9 months ago
Reply to  President Musk

I ‘spect Biden just put people on buses (unshackled). Efficient & inexpensive.

Wisdom Seeker
Wisdom Seeker
9 months ago

It’s the net influx that matters, not merely number of deportations. Under Biden the deportees would all be coming right back. Now, 85% fewer are even trying. And I doubt Biden’s “last month” is even representative of his 48 months.

SCP
SCP
9 months ago

Trump, is a lot smarter than Biden. He cuts off their freebies a lot will self-deport themselves. Out lawing remittances will et a lot more out. We have a vast work untapped workforce in this country. The people who would rather draw benefits than work. We now have families, in this country, where no one in the family has held a job for generations. This is ridiculous and obscene.

Nonplused
Nonplused
9 months ago

You can’t view moral issues solely based on whether they are short term recessionary. A false boom based on immorality always ends in an even bigger bust later. The economy has to be based on propriety if growth is to be sustainable.

To argue in the extreme that moral issues are to be decided based on short term economic results would lead one to conclude that the illegal drug trade is a good thing. “Look at all the spending that results in the health care and policing sectors, as well as all the broken window affects on the economy! And then what about all the spending on luxury goods by dealers and the cartels! All of this is at risk! It’s recessionary!”

Gain in the short term is almost always achieved at the cost of ruin in the long term. It doesn’t apply to just stocks and Bitcoin.

Avery2
Avery2
9 months ago

Check if they are still serving avocado toast at the weekend brunches in Wicker Park. What about strawberry smoothies? This portends a huge recession / depression.

Last edited 9 months ago by Avery2
Jon
Jon
9 months ago

“The U.S. Customs and Border Protection CBP Report shows that from Jan. 21 through Jan. 31, 2025, the number apprehensions along the southwest border dropped 85% from the same period in 2024.”

Does that mean fewer people are crossing the border, they’re crossing somewhere other than the southern border, or the border patrol just isn’t catching as many?

Doug78
Doug78
9 months ago
Reply to  Jon

The money dried up, the coyotes are wary now and why come if you are caught and sent right back? Better wait for the Democrats to come back into power.

Wisdom Seeker
Wisdom Seeker
9 months ago
Reply to  Jon

Use some common sense, Jon. The border patrol could not instantly become 85% more ineffective. The majority of immigrants were coming from the south, and could not immediately find other ways in.

It is a longer term question whether the border patrol can do well enough against any potential redirection of influx, including all ports of entry and all coastlines as well as both northern and southern borders.

Doug78
Doug78
9 months ago

If they have lived here for a few years we could call them Resident Aliens. If they are Hybrids I suppose they are citizens because born here.

Laura
Laura
9 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

If you’re here illegally, you are in illegal regardless of how long you’ve been here.

Doug78
Doug78
9 months ago
Reply to  Laura

But what if you are a Grey-Human hybrid? The conception took place in orbit probably but you were raised in the US. What would their status be?

Stu
Stu
9 months ago

Good! Why were there “Taxpayer Paid” benefits for “Illegal People” in Our Country to begin with?

Do we give “Free Everything” to people in Zimbabwe, or do we “Have to Wait Until They Arrive Here First? Asking for a few Million Illegals wondering themselves…

Augustine
Augustine
9 months ago

The sudden halt to illegal immigration is very inflationary to labor cost.

Sentient
Sentient
9 months ago
Reply to  Augustine

Nobody ever said it was going to be easy.

Augustine
Augustine
9 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

The Donald did.

fish
fish
9 months ago
Reply to  Augustine

So?

SleemoG
SleemoG
9 months ago
Reply to  Augustine

It’s as if they’re re-imposing the gold standard, where in this case the “gold standard” is “what pay is an American citizen willing to take for work?” and “how much is an American citizen willing to pay for goods and services.”

We’ll soon find out just how good we’ve had it these last decades.

Stu
Stu
9 months ago
Reply to  SleemoG

You may be correct, because the initial answer is as much as it takes. After that however, there may not be much left for lunches, and dinners out. A lot will have to be missed out on for awhile.

Wisdom Seeker
Wisdom Seeker
9 months ago
Reply to  Augustine

Only if the loss of labor exceeds the loss of demand for goods and services. Much depends on the fraction of welfare recipients vs workers.

President Musk
President Musk
9 months ago
Reply to  Augustine

Fear not… minimum wage is still at 90s levels.

Jack
Jack
9 months ago

Thank God we are finally attacking the illegal problem. After Trump cuts off their
funds directly and indirectly maybe we can get rid of them. They are at the bottom level of society and are a drag on our economy

Nasty Edwin
Nasty Edwin
9 months ago
Reply to  Jack

We are going to find out if they are a drag on our economy or not

fish
fish
9 months ago
Reply to  Nasty Edwin

They don’t get to cheapen my citizenship so multinational corporations get a captive market fueled by EBT dollars and cheap labor!

SleemoG
SleemoG
9 months ago
Reply to  Jack

Likely the exact same drag on our economy as affordable Chinese imports.

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
9 months ago

It’s past time the country controls its border and part of that is to do away with all incentives to come here illegally. There is a lot of chin music about having enough unskilled workers and then there will be a news article that students can’t perform basic math, read or basically do anything but play video games; seems like a source of unskilled labor although welfare will need a work requirement.

Another consideration concerning the need for illegal migrant labor is that at the end of the last Trump term illegal border crossings were coming down and on the verge of being controlled, yet there were no news articles of fruits and vegetables not being harvested, buildings being roofed or concrete being poured. Now by some estimates there are some 20 million new illegals, and we spend $182 billion annually on them. I seriously doubt they contribute anywhere near that sum to the economy especially considering the amount spent probably does not consider issues like crime and drug malfeasance.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
9 months ago
Reply to  Dave Smith

“yet there were no news articles of fruits and vegetables not being harvested, buildings being roofed or concrete being poured.”

So why was everyone here whining about “Biden inflation” and “Joe Biden did that” then if there was no effect on inflation? Can you put 2+2 together and understand that a reason the costs of everything went up beyond supply chain disruptions was the lack of labor.

The truth is, Trump’s deportation rate is lower than Biden’s was, Trump is merely doing a better “performance” for the dimwitted.

ryan lynn
ryan lynn
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Interesting that you would describe legitimate displeasure at nearly 10% inflation as “whining”

If you believe Democrat Larry Summers the proximate cause for runaway inflation was the massive and unnecessary stimmy money bomb Biden dropped upon entering office.

Too many dollars chasing too few goods is a prescription for price inflation. There were plenty of employees in 2022, but not if we were going to dump a gazillion printed dollars on the economy.

JayW
JayW
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

A lot of the costs increase over the past 4 years have simply been the result of inflation expectations. When everyone expects inflation to rise and not fall down to 2% or less, CEOs & small business owners have cart blanch to raise prices.

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

While I did not make any reference to inflation in my post, I believe growing the federal debt faster than the economy grew has much more to do with the inflation issue.

Biden’s net deportations when considering all the charter flights for illegals would be negative. Trump shut down the flights.

Ed@yahoo.com
Ed@yahoo.com
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Dude!
Where you getting your information?
The View!

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
9 months ago

I am so tired of this.
How about illegal residents?

Augustine
Augustine
9 months ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker

How about outlaws?

Kevin
Kevin
9 months ago

The advocates for illegals claim they were never getting federal benefits. So there should be no outcry, right?

Walt
Walt
9 months ago

I’d guess the fica money coming in from immigrants working on fake ssns that never get checked is considerably more than any benefits going out.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
9 months ago
Reply to  Walt

the first couple of weeks there was a great show of news clips showing immigration raids, roundups, planes flying to Colombia, blah, blah, blah….then we find out Trump’s deportations are lower than Biden was doing…..

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-set-broaden-arrests-deportation-routes-expand-immigration-crackdown-2025-02-21/

It’s all a dog and pony show. To quote Gladiator, “Are You Not Entertained? Are You Not Entertained? Is This Not Why You Are Here?”
Within a month or two, it’ll be time to move on to the next manufactured “crisis” then rinse and repeat.

Bill
Bill
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Now include the facts on how many have actually entered, how closed the border actually is now. Shoish. I’m convinced it’s a sickness. Not allowing in, only later to deport is MASSIVELY cheaper than allowing in and then working double-time to round up and deport, right? Just hold onto your hat pal, they’re gonna be a lot going back. The focus initially seems to be hardened criminals and finding the place to put them, where Gitmo came into play. Once they get to deporting illegal immigrants in general, that infrastructure won’t be required, only a landing spot. It’s massively popular, across both parties, to ship illegal immigrants back out of this country. Cutting off all benefits and criminalizing that will more quickly lead to a desired outcome. Exposing the criminal enablers in law-violating sanctuary states or cities will be a cocomitant problem/benefit.

I mean seriously, you see how actually using the resources to close the border is infinitely more efficient. But go ahead and count the deportations in absolute terms while ignoring the lack-of-inflow in the number. Next you’ll be a Fed banker ignoring home price appreciation in inflation numbers.

Big picture, it’s clearer when you look past your constant social security retiree drivel or the disgust for the current president. Give it a try. No one I speak to, from both parties, thinks the border/illegal immigant problem was better under Biden. No one! That’s not perception…they KNOW the border is closed. It was wide open under the last guy and that’s the primary job for the President–to secure the country from enemies foreign and domestic. But after a month, yep, it’s 1 actual month, you cherry pick a deportation number while ignoring the much-larger and much more important number. Goodness gracious.

Manufactured crisis? Gave away your inability to reason. The influx of millions illegally over the last 4 years was indeed manufactured–that is allowed by Biden’s Administration. But the need to address it is not a manufactured crisis by the current regime but instead by the negligence of the Democrats. The election was a real one, the mandate by most Americans urgent, and the need to rectify it most assuredly needed. This is no manufactured crisis by the conservatives, no sir. Purely created by the liberals.

Flavia
Flavia
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Good reference!

Kevin
Kevin
9 months ago
Reply to  Walt

I’ve seen a study that it is supposedly about $60 billion a year.

If there are 5 million illegals of public school age and annual costs average about $15,000 per student per year, that’s $75 billion right there.

Health care costs? California alone spends $9.5 billion annually. Let’s assume that its high number of illegals and high costs it accounts for 1/3 of the national cost. So there is another $30 billion.

Then there are LEGAL benefits for anchor babies which of course are distributed to the parents who are illegal such as WIC, Head Start etc.

Why is DOGE having access to the SS data a big threat but illegals stealing a SS number are a public benefit?

Ed@yahoo.com
Ed@yahoo.com
9 months ago
Reply to  Kevin

Over $22,000/student in public high school in Atlantic County, NJ.
They should fire all the administrators for not getting anything in return for the taxpayers footing the bill.
Educational Fraud!

Sunriver
Sunriver
9 months ago

The rich must, and will be served at the lowest possible cost.

That is why illegal immigration has been encouraged and allowed.

The lower middle class citizens, which make up about 60% of us now, have forever been disenfranchised.

Which is why a Populist President won.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
9 months ago
Reply to  Sunriver

So to summarize, “billionaires are turning us into slaves so lets elect a billionaire that appoints billionaires to lead all cabinets and job cutting and that will solve our problems…”

Lol. With logic like that it’s no wonder the billionaires keep winning.

Sentient
Sentient
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Name a single billionaire cabinet Secretary.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
9 months ago
Reply to  Sentient
President Musk
President Musk
9 months ago
Reply to  Sentient
Flavia
Flavia
9 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

Howard Lutnick, Sec. of Commerce

fish
fish
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

….and your solution to the problem?

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
9 months ago
Reply to  fish

I have many solutions but they are all for me, not for you. Every person needs to deal with their own problems and find their own solutions.

fish
fish
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Then why are you here bloviating about an issue that by your own admission you’ve already solved for “yourself”?

Fedupwithgovt
Fedupwithgovt
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Let’s see what he does first.

Patrick
Patrick
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

The Federal Government should be run by a small minority of kulaks! Viva la revolucion!

Ed@yahoo.com
Ed@yahoo.com
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

This Billionaire is educated and used his brain for his money.
No salary as president.
Tell me any president in your lifetime than ran on policies that they enacted?
Go get help for TDS.

Joe Poncakia
Joe Poncakia
9 months ago

Human beings, legal or not will do anything to feed themselves or their children. When the free stuff ends and they’re afraid to go to work for fear of their jobsite being raided by ICE, one of two things or maybe both are going to happen. They will steal food to live until they self deport or they will get caught stealing food and be deported as criminals. Some will take their chances and continue working as roofers, concrete guys, carpenters, cooks, housekeepers and landscapers to feed their families and pray they don’t get busted. Many of these men and women have been working here for years, paying taxes, their children in school. I feel for them.

Joe Poncakia
Joe Poncakia
9 months ago
Reply to  Joe Poncakia

On the other hand, I understand that Trump has to talk zero tolerance tough to discourage others from trying to enter illegally. But I hope that in reality they show some compassion for those that can prove that they are contributing to our society and just want a better future for their family. I wouldn’t mind spending money on caseworkers to vet these people. I don’t think it would be hard.

Don C.
Don C.
9 months ago
Reply to  Joe Poncakia

Joe, you say “I wouldn’t mind spending … money on…” If what goes into the blank spot means “your” money, then you are always free to spend your own money on whomever you want to support. If what goes into the blank spot means “MY” money, then no, I have different places to spend my own money than to help illegal aliens.

That’s why we have legal ways to come into the U.S., to see if the folks wanting to be here have a chance at improving our country. If you come here to work and not get free stuff, that sounds good. Anything else – send the illegals back right away.

Joe Poncakia
Joe Poncakia
9 months ago
Reply to  Don C.

I had illegals working for me for 20 years in residential construction, 14 at my peak. I worked them so hard, and me too, that I was surprised they showed up the next morning only to do it over and over again. They gave me a SS # and I paid the FICA. They filed tax returns every year and got refunds but they never got to collect the money paid into FICA on their behalf like I do now. They didn’t get free stuff and been working their butts off for years in NJ. Most were family men with kids in school and wives that cleaned houses. There are not nearly enough young Americans to replace them. Hard work has been bred out of them. Besides who can wait 10 years to come legally? The current system is a joke.

Ed@yahoo.com
Ed@yahoo.com
9 months ago
Reply to  Joe Poncakia

I hope you are charged and convicted for breaking the law and taking advantage of suffering humans.
You helped your self from cheap labor and how big time to the American Taxpayers.
Jail for u!

David Heartland
David Heartland
9 months ago

Next up: news that Local City officials all over California suddenly became “immigrants” and were taking in huge sums.

THAT is how it WORKS!

President Musk
President Musk
9 months ago

You sir have a magnificent ability to spin bullshit out of thin air. Please contact my people so we can give you a job.

Last edited 9 months ago by President Musk
Ed@yahoo.com
Ed@yahoo.com
9 months ago

Yup!
Legal immigrations came to a holt in order to process the illegals.
Our world was turned upside down, financial ruin and heading to war and the idiots with TDS are her complaining that our nation and world is righting itself up.
Go take your meds or seek help.

Bosun
Bosun
9 months ago

Common sense is both more rare and more desirable in leaders than mere intelligence.
Voltaire

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