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Tulsi Gabbard Resigns, Her Political Career Ruined by Allegiance to Trump

Tulsi became everything she railed against, then she quit.

Gabbard Resigns

The Wall Street Journal reports Tulsi Gabbard Resigns as U.S. Intelligence Chief

Tulsi Gabbard resigned Friday as director of national intelligence, capping a tumultuous tenure in which she was largely sidelined from President Trump’s national-security operations, including in Venezuela and Iran.

In a letter Friday to Trump later posted on social media, Gabbard says she is resigning because her husband, Abraham Williams, “has recently been diagnosed with an extremely rare form of bone cancer.”

“I must step away from public service to be by his side and fully support him through this battle,” Gabbard wrote. Gabbard said her last day would be June 30, staying on temporarily to help ensure “no disruption in leadership or momentum.”

Trump, in a social-media post, said, “Tulsi has done an incredible job, and we will miss her.” He noted that Aaron Lukas, Gabbard’s deputy, would serve as the acting director.

Gabbard’s departure comes as Trump is considering fresh strikes on Iran if mediators don’t reach a deal to end Tehran’s nuclear work, or at least extend the cease-fire to hold more discussions. Trump’s national security team has faced upheaval as he has relied on a small circle of aides to prosecute the unpopular war.

The deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Michael Ellis, is a front-runner for the job to permanently replace Gabbard, two people familiar with the matter said. Others are still being considered, one of the people said, noting Trump will make the final pick. Becoming director of national intelligence requires Senate confirmation. Among the other names Trump allies publicly floated for the post was Rep. Elise Stefanik (R., N.Y.).

Gabbard wasn’t a significant part of conversations about the Iran war before it began in February, officials previously told The Wall Street Journal. She often diverged from administration talking points about the war, saying the U.S. and Israel had differing objectives and that Tehran made no efforts to rebuild its nuclear program since American attacks on three nuclear sites last year.

In recent months, Gabbard has spent time pursuing theories of voter fraud in the 2020 election at Trump’s behest, according to administration officials; she showed up at a Fulton County, Ga., election center where Federal Bureau of Investigation agents seized voting machines earlier this year. (Audits and recounts commissioned by state and local officials in the aftermath of the 2020 contest found no evidence of widespread tampering or fraud.)

She has fallen in and out of favor with Trump, who instead has relied on CIA Director John Ratcliffe for important intelligence consultations.

One of her close allies, Joe Kent, stepped down in March from his post as the top U.S. counterterrorism official, over his concerns with the war in Iran.

Falling Out of Favor

It’s easy to fall out of favor with Trump. All you have to do is disagree with him on anything.

It was sickening to watch Tulsi preach against war then make excuses to support it.

She should have resigned on the spot.

Then she got involved in absurd, and many times debunked voter fraud ideas, the equivalent of rat vomit.

Now, after going against everything she once stood for, she resigns.

Looking Back at What Should Have Been

Tulsi did Trump a favor by supporting him. Trump found a way to ruin her. But Blame Tulsi, not Trump.

She did not have the moral integrity to resign, nor did she look ahead to what working with Trump would mean. Instead, she sold her soul.

Looking back, but I also said so at the time, Tulsi should have asked for support for a Senate seat instead of the job Trump gave her. It’s too bad she was confirmed.

This is so sad, I was once a huge Tulsi fan.

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+888
+888
6 days ago

She never had been. Unconditionnaly supporting Israel was always an exception to her anti war agenda.

Flavia
Flavia
9 days ago

More time to surf now.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
9 days ago

Adam Schiff says her decision to resign is “the only positive contribution” she made to US intelligence. 😂

top gone
top gone
10 days ago

I was a fan too anti war pretty sound ideas Hillary hated her so she ad a lot going for her but she was done the minute she took a deal with the pedo pres

Green
Green
10 days ago

More idiocy.

Had she remained a Democrat, she wouldn’t have advanced to a prominent cabinet position in any presidential administration. Dems already cast her aside.

She wouldn’t have had a position, would have been largely forgotten for an entire election cycle, and would still have a husband with cancer to contend with. THAT would have been the end of her political aspirations because the Dems decided they didn’t want her a long time ago.

But somehow being on the side that won the election handily, after being ostracized by the Dems, holding a prominent cabinet position, and resigning that post only to care for an ailing spouse is “ruining” her career.

Mish used to write smart things. Now he doesn’t.

LM2020
LM2020
10 days ago
Reply to  Green

Today’s Kool Aid is grape flavored! Sour Grape.

Last edited 10 days ago by LM2020
El Capitan
El Capitan
10 days ago

Is there any politician or political party that is vociferously advocating for world peace?

Peppe
Peppe
10 days ago
Reply to  El Capitan

With peace there is little to No Profettering, No Fraud as there is no money pit and slush flunds for politicians to grab while we watch—

El Capitan
El Capitan
10 days ago
Reply to  Peppe

You are probably right, but, I think the populace needs to rise up and demand it. I hear no politician, no media, no pundits, ever discuss the topic at all. Yet, I think the overwhelming masses would be perfectly happy in such a state. But, they are always programmed with Machiavellian intrigue and strategizing again supposed enemies “out there”. Beware the “other”.

Sentient
Sentient
10 days ago
Reply to  El Capitan

Not in the United States. Or Western Europe. Maybe in East Timor or someplace.

Augustine
Augustine
10 days ago
Reply to  El Capitan

“All wars are bankers’ wars. War is a racket!” (Gen. Smedley Butler)

Last edited 10 days ago by Augustine
LM2020
LM2020
10 days ago

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Anyone that works for Trump eventually gets his or her life ruined. I look forward to all of these goons (Pete Hegseth and Todd Blanche especially) getting frog marched to jail when their usefulness is over.

Ginko Biloba
Ginko Biloba
10 days ago

Tulsi was only there as a backup conduit to the Kremlin. Trump has proved to be such a reliable Russian agent that Putin has decided Tulsi is not necessary and can be reassigned to another role after a suitable cooling off period.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
10 days ago

She was always a creep, but she fooled people.

CJW
CJW
10 days ago

Anyone who aligns with Trump deserves what they get and it should be no surprise.

David Heartland
David Heartland
10 days ago
Reply to  CJW

“Anyone who aligns with Trump and continues to be so and then breaks ranks….”

njbr
njbr
10 days ago

Notice the reference to Russian Roulette where a 1/4 of Russian oil facilities are now closed due to Ukranian strikes

BREAKING: A source close to Iran’s Ghalibaf says Iran’s “third struggle” plan announced by the IRGC will close Bab el-Mandeb Strait “by fire” and disable the seven submarine internet cables under the Strait of Hormuz, in immediate response to upcoming US strikes that Iran has assessed as “inevitable,” for this weekend.
The source adds that Iran will also respond with “next-generation missiles and drones” firing hundreds daily at the Gulf energy infrastructure, and that the US and Israel are playing “Russian roulette” with the outcome being the “collapse of the global economy and unprecedented gas prices.”

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
10 days ago
Reply to  njbr

Ukraine is hanging drones off little weather balloons and floating them 100km or more into Russia, where they launch with a fresh battery and use ai to get to their target. Russia can’t do that because the wind blows the wrong way.

I’m a little ashamed to say how hilarious I find that.

Thetenyear
Thetenyear
10 days ago

Her political career has not been ruined. She can easily fill a high level cabinet position with the next administration.

John Overington
John Overington
10 days ago

Her career was ruined by her bad decision(s). Do not blame others for her decisions. However, bad decisions don’t keep you out of politics – just look at the others.

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
10 days ago

Why wait until June 30? The bench is deep. Waiting more than another day or week to spend time with a sick family member seems negligent. When I got hurt growing up, one parent would leave work early to take me to the doctor within the hour.

Jon
Jon
10 days ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

Agreed. There’s more to this story.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
10 days ago

There are others like her walking on 14th street in DC. In fact, DC is filled with the amoral, it’s our democracy.

Joe Penny
Joe Penny
10 days ago

She didn’t quit, she was fired

David Heartland
David Heartland
10 days ago
Reply to  Joe Penny

True and then Trump, in his usual Gentle & Considerate Manner, fucked her with someone else’s Dick cuz he is continually limp and limping. This Admin is a rolling out of control deck fire.

Last edited 10 days ago by David Heartland
Augustine
Augustine
10 days ago
Reply to  Joe Penny

She was “resigned”.

J. Traveler
J. Traveler
10 days ago

Don’t write off Tulsi Gabbard just yet …
A potential 2028 vice president candidate …

K.V.Sadasivan
K.V.Sadasivan
10 days ago

Cuba takeover imminent!

dtj
dtj
10 days ago

I was fooled by Tulsi for longer than I care to admit. By the time the Iran War started, she had long passed her expiration date.

I’m not surprised she turned out to be a grifter and charlatan. Her membership in the WEF as a “young global leader” was the clue that she had sold her soul to the devil from the get go.

Jon
Jon
10 days ago
Reply to  dtj

I was fan back in the double oughts. Later, she began spewing some real nonsense. I believe she was closer to Trump’s way of thinking than most think.

pokercat
pokercat
10 days ago
Reply to  dtj

Read her history as a child and young adult. She was reportedly a cult member in HI. When I first saw her in politics I thought she would be great, now not so much. I hope to never see her in politics in any substance again.

Neil
Neil
10 days ago

Noone with even a single working brain cell can expect to ally with Trump and come out better for it. How people keep falling for it is incredible. Tulsi sold out her principles and has nothing to show for it.

And imagine how well she would be positioned had she stayed true to herself and opposed Trump whereever he crossed a line.

pokercat
pokercat
10 days ago
Reply to  Neil

It’s ALWAYS “it will be different this time” about EVERYTHING. You can see it in most human endeavors where history of failure is easily obtained but usually ignored.

‘Lil Mr.
‘Lil Mr.
10 days ago

Tulsi should have known better as an intelligence specialist. Taco is a one way street and he will use you for his own gains. You will either compromise your morals, unless you have none, or he will break you if you do. Anyone could have seen that in his first term with the revolving cabinet door.

Brutus Admirer
Brutus Admirer
10 days ago

You are being unfair to Gabbard. She believed Trump’s campaign promises like a mass of us did. Once in office, you want to try do what good you can, to make the best of a bad situation; that is a reasonable explanation of why she didn’t resign in protest. She exposed some of the rot in the Swamp. I think her heart is in the right place.

Creamer
Creamer
10 days ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

Hi Tulsi, how was the flight home?

Jon
Jon
10 days ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

Anyone who believed Trump after Jan 6 and the stolen election nonsense doesn’t have the intellect nor moral integrity to work in any governing position. I wouldn’t vote for her for my HOA.

David Heartland
David Heartland
10 days ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

If you are older than Puberty age, then it is naive to believe ANYONE’S promises.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
10 days ago
Reply to  Brutus Admirer

Lol how can someone who believed Trump’s campaign promises ever be qualified to work in “intelligence?”

peter
peter
10 days ago

I was a great Tulsi fan, but now she is soiled by association with Trump. No amount of rationalisation will help….she is now just one more dirty political hack. I am gravely sorry about this….should could have been a candidate for the highest office

‘Lil Mr.
‘Lil Mr.
10 days ago
Reply to  peter

Perhaps it is for the best. Now we see she was either blind or willing to compromise her integrity just to be close to power.

njbr
njbr
10 days ago

Our “independent” Fed chair today,

Kevin Warsh: “As you demonstrate, Mr. President, every day, energy and purpose are how big obstacles are overcome. Your greatest ambitions are for America.”

obligatory obeisance

Webej
Webej
10 days ago
Reply to  njbr

The public displays of outright abject servility and prostrate submission stagger the mind.

Reminiscent of N-Koreans’ frantic frenzied exhibits of devotion.

Last edited 10 days ago by Webej
El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
10 days ago
Reply to  njbr

Ah, the freshly browned nose, the American version of knighthood.

Rogerroger
Rogerroger
10 days ago

Everyone in trumps orbit gets crushed sooner or later. Trump cares about trump. Thats why i am worried about the slush fund. Besides all the illegal ness etc. Know one has put it together trump still has some use for the masses. Around election time is my guess. He talked them into treason pardoned them and now wants to pay them. That will emboldened them when he calls them out again.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
10 days ago
Reply to  Rogerroger

“For my friends, everything. For my enemies, the law.”

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
10 days ago
Reply to  Rogerroger

He’s telling thugs they will get paid for attacking his enemies.

FDR
FDR
10 days ago

Her positions on West Asia and North Africa regarding US Imperialism were spot on.

Washington DC like any other political capitol is a cesspool. Those with integrity quit, get fired or are forced to resign, eventually. The General George Marshalls, Fighting Bob La Follettes need not apply.

No one escapes the Trumpian Blackhole once you get sucked into it.

She has lost my respect too, particularly when she went to Atlanta over the election “fraud” engineered by Trump.

Maybe she can recover her reputation in a 3rd party candidacy because the Democrats Party as currently constructed is almost as bad as the GOP.

I hope the best for her husband’s recovery and her professional career whatever she chooses to do next.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
10 days ago
Reply to  FDR

Trump will forever be an albatross around Gabbard’s neck.

Sentient
Sentient
10 days ago

Her performance before the House Intel committee was super cringe, refusing to give her opinion on attacking Iran. Still, it’s not obvious whether she should have immediately resigned when Trump started this illegal, immoral and deeply stupid war. Should she have hung in there and tried to use whatever minimal influence she had to counter Susie Wiles, Lindsey Graham and the other lunatics surrounding Trump – or resign and let the lunatics and Zionazis be the only ones singing in demented Trump’s ear? I’m sure she already knew her political career was over. Sure, she would have been a little less tainted if she’d resigned earlier, but I assume whoever replaces her will be worse. In the end, her absence won’t make much difference, since she’d been sidelined long ago. Maybe a few years in Hawaii will wash the stench of DC off of her.

Webej
Webej
10 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

Everyone around Trump is turned to shi¡t.
He’s got the Midas touch.

RFKjr, Tulsi, Vance.

He’s even won over people that initially despised him, only to leave them hanging out to dry. Once contaminated, you become a vector. Only quarantine helps.

One rotten apple spoils the whole barrel.

Some things cannot be managed. They need to be extirpated like a malignant tumor.

Any sympathy with Israel, be it out of traditional loyalties, political reflexes, or evangelical/Christian background, makes it all the harder find the bottom under your feet and to wade out.

Last edited 10 days ago by Webej
El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
10 days ago
Reply to  Webej

He’s a human shit blizzard. Figuratively and in his pants.

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
10 days ago

I don’t think Tulsi’s career is totally ruined. She may be getting out at a very credible time. If she plays her cards right, I think she may be able to join America First as a “survivor”.

njbr
njbr
10 days ago

The money is on Stefanik

A little spelling hint from Trump

Trump: “He’s a dumb person! D-U-M. Not the B. Most people don’t know it has a B.”

njbr
njbr
10 days ago
Reply to  njbr

Stefanik is all in with Trump on Iran, so expect no tempering of his impulses this weekend

Sentient
Sentient
10 days ago
Reply to  njbr

He won’t need Stefanik to stay in the House to maintain a slight majority, since the dems will have a big majority next term.

Woodsie Guy
Woodsie Guy
10 days ago

I have said this before, Tulsi has literally been on both sides of just about every major political topic. A quick Google search will easily yield the receipts. The notion that she was ever a principled person is laughable. She’s easy on the eyes and is a skilled speaker. That’s often all it takes to overlook political inconsistencies.

She is and always has been an unscrupulous politician. It finally caught up with her. I never cared for her sleezy behavior. Good riddance.

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
10 days ago
Reply to  Woodsie Guy

True, but she might be able to wiggle her way into being a force for good in the America First movement if she markets herself as a “deep state” survivor.

Woodsie Guy
Woodsie Guy
10 days ago
Reply to  CaptainCaveman

Lol….ok….she is the fucking deep state.

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
10 days ago
Reply to  Woodsie Guy

If she is, then she won’t last long in America First. I’m assuming that’s where she’ll go because neither of the uniparty wings want her now, of that I’m sure.

Neil
Neil
10 days ago
Reply to  CaptainCaveman

America First is where the deep State lives. If the current administration with its unprecedented corruption and disregard for the law has made anything clear then it is that.

CaptainCaveman
CaptainCaveman
10 days ago
Reply to  Neil

People like Fuentes and Balzerian may be psyops, but the America First movement is real and very deep, much deeper now after this week’s election atrocity. That means utter decimation for Republicans at the polls moving forward, even though no one is actually becoming “more liberal”.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
10 days ago
Reply to  Woodsie Guy

Yeah, I recall she was a supporter of Sanders in her socialist incarnation.

Augustine
Augustine
10 days ago
Reply to  Woodsie Guy

That’s true. However, the one issue that she hadn’t wavered on was perpetual war. I was glad when she joined the 🍊 team, as one of the few good ones. That is, until she met her moral peer, the 🎃. Guess that that’s what happens when one doesn’t the chops, just the hips. Trash bin, meet Tulsi.

Last edited 10 days ago by Augustine
I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
10 days ago

meanwhile:
Has Mike Johnson Dumped Trump?
Gosh, what could have caused a rift between them?
House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) skipped a White House meeting Thursday — and sources say it wasn’t an accident.
Two aides familiar with the cancellation told reporter Pablo Manríquez that Johnson flatly refused to attend, marking what may be the first time the Speaker has said no to Donald Trump.

Sentient
Sentient
10 days ago

Whoopty-do. That guy will be out of leadership come January.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
10 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

Perhaps then he can fulfill his dream of becoming a real live boy.

strongGnu
strongGnu
10 days ago

Do you guys really know how you sound? Her husband has CANCER. Tulsi is so offended she is going to stay on another 35 days in the administration and Trump gave her husband cancer. (Sarcasm) Your blatant lack of humanity is appalling but not surprising. There are other things in life like cancer that affect people and families that are not political. Tulsi is a courageous American and America would be a better place if we had more people like her serving.

edmondo
edmondo
10 days ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Why Did Tulsi Gabbard Resign? Report Points to White House Pressure,

She was given until June 30th to depart at the request of “anonymous White House officials.”

Joe Penny
Joe Penny
10 days ago
Reply to  edmondo

she was fired…Exactly

FDR
FDR
10 days ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Her #1 aide Joe Kent resigned as did RFK Jr.’s sister-in-law from the DNI’s office. IMHO she had no allies within the viper nest of congress, this Administration nor the intelligence community.

Neil
Neil
10 days ago
Reply to  strongGnu

If you believe that that is why she quit, sure.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
10 days ago
Reply to  strongGnu

Oh fuck off with the pearl clutching, you ghoul.

Pedro
Pedro
10 days ago

Power is a drug few humans can handle

CJW
CJW
10 days ago
Reply to  Pedro

Yup, Trump has overdosed on it and has lost his mind think he’s Jesus come again and is so addicted he’ll do anything for more.

pokercat
pokercat
10 days ago
Reply to  Pedro

Her husband has an extremely rare form of cancer. It’s the kind that doesn’t show up on an Xray, MRI or CT scan or any other medical test. It’s the kind that’s only detectable in resignation letters.

TheBird
TheBird
10 days ago

She is/was a Russian asset,probably knowingly but perhaps not. Not sad in the slightest to see her go.

realityczech
realityczech
10 days ago
Reply to  TheBird

hillary? you can do better than this. or is this kamala? not much difference between the two.

Jojo
Jojo
10 days ago

Ruined like Trump ruined Kamala Harris political career?

Buh-bye Gabbard! Hope to never hear from you again!

Tony Frank
Tony Frank
10 days ago

One has to really wonder why anyone would be associated with a POS like taco as he will throw you to the wolves whenever it is convenient for him. Have never seen a public official treat his or her associates so poorly. It is truly disgusting and unjustified.

MMchenry
MMchenry
10 days ago

If I recall correctly Scaramouchi (sp?) often says anyone who gets to know Trump hates him. Add Tulsi to that list. In every day in every way for Trump it’s ALL about Trump. What a pond scum excuse for a human being. When he passes hell will have to turn up the afterburners to warm that pig.

John H
John H
11 days ago

Too bad. She went from having the potential to becoming the first female president to becoming a footnote.

Sentient
Sentient
10 days ago
Reply to  John H

To become president, you have to acquiesce to the deep state (including Mossad, which has free rein in the Pentagon, CIA and halls of power). Obama did. Trump TOTALLY did. Vance is already signaling his willingness to go to the dark side. Also, the Intelligence Community has to be OK with you – which they would never have been with Gabbard. They have six ways from Sunday to get you, after all. Yay democracy! The illusion of choice. No matter who you vote for, you get John McCain (piss be upon him).

Mike
Mike
10 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

They could easily give someone cancer…

Augustine
Augustine
10 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

Vance proved his graduation to the dark side at the moment that he joined the 🎃 ticket.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
11 days ago

Cool it, Mish. I couldn’t help but admire Tulsi Gabbard, too. I don’t see that she disgraced herself by working for Trump. I think you are being much too much of a purist about politics. It is inherently a dirty game. It was a dirty game 500 years ago when Machiavelli was writing, and it hasn’t changed.

I don’t know, of course, whether her husband’s cancer was her real reason for resigning. Women are funny that way. I knew a lady here in Australia who made a name for herself by campaigning against perverted sex education in schools, then suddenly quit to, she said, take care of her father. (This was in the 1970s.)

I think you are much too confident that you understand the real workings of the Trump Administration. I appreciate your inside comments on statistics, because I can believe that you understand them, even though I don’t. But I don’t think you should assume that you know what is going on inside a political group. It looks to me as if you are just relying on news reporters’ speculation in saying that Trump stopped listening to Tulsi and started listening to Ratcliffe.

And I don’t know why you are so confident that there is nothing in Trump’s claim that the election that he lost was rigged. As I recollect it, both Newt Gingrich and Rand Paul made comments to the effect that election-rigging had happened many times in the United States. I would trust them more than I would trust any court of law. In my opinion the law is so corrupt now that anyone who has anything to do with it must be absolutely worthless. It isn’t like being a politician and trying to do good on balance, according to your own ideas, which may of course be mistaken – I’m thinking of Bernie What’s-His-Name. It’s more being part of a system of sycophancy that is dedicated to maintaining orderly corruption and pretending that it is justice.

Governments are always made up essentially of soldiers, who live by force, and priests, who live by deception – teachers, journalists and judges in our present society. Politicians are brokers who stand between the government and its prey, but they have become too much beholden to the priests: many of them actually see themselves as priests. It’s time for the soldiers to have another turn in charge.

realityczech
realityczech
10 days ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

mike can’t help it. this is what animates much of the political part of the site. irrational hatred.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
10 days ago
Reply to  realityczech

Whereas with people like you, it’s willfull stupidity.

Run Forest! Run!

CJW
CJW
10 days ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

Trump has made politics so dirty the stink cannot be borne. It is very difficult to rig an election when you are not in power. How many times did Trump lose in court on this question? Give it a rest, it was 6 years ago and he lost.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
10 days ago
Reply to  CJW

I’ve already told you what I think about courts of law. I hate it that we are helpless in the hands of such treacherous, impudent and generally worthless people, the worst that our evil system of education can recruit.

On elections, I get the impression that rigging has to be pretty blatant before the courts or the media will feel themselves obliged to take notice. I am something of a compulsive writer of letters to newspapers, and I have noticed that questions about the fairness of an election almost never get published. The plan seems to be to sweep any funny business under the carpet as far as possible, once the election is over.

That sometimes doesn’t apply when a conservative politician has made a minor mistake. In that sort of case, the “full weight of the law” is apt to come down on him. A lot of election officials seem to like to steal a few votes here and there for the major leftist party, I think.

Joe Penny
Joe Penny
10 days ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

Great post

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
10 days ago
Reply to  Joe Penny

Thank you. I don’t have many fans, and I appreciate those I have.

‘Lil Mr.
‘Lil Mr.
10 days ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

Newt Gingrich is as swampy as it gets. There has been some rigging in the past. The 2000 race in Florida was a massive clusterfuck and the republican administration, run by the candidate’s brother, was going to make sure they delivered. But since that debacle elections have been pretty tight. Most states use paper ballots read by machines. Hand counting is often used when triggered by a tight margin or a recount is requested. 2020 itself was an anomaly due to the Covid pandemic. But it wasn’t a free pass when counting the electoral votes. Republican congressmen still had their say during oral arguments on whether the voting process was fair. There was no reason for the riot, as the rioters’ concerns, though mislead, were still being addressed in accordance with the rules of the counting process. The fake elector’s scheme should tell you who was actually trying to cheat.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
10 days ago
Reply to  ‘Lil Mr.

I had the impression that the whole plan in the “January 6th riots” was to allow those not terribly bright people to rampage around, and then use the ensuing fuss to make sure that there were no proper hearings about whether the election had been properly conducted. It looks to me to be another example of perfect coordination between the Democratic Party and the media.

I think the way those poor souls were treated afterwards is a pretty good indication of the morality of the people in charge under Joe Biden.

In the late 1930s in the state of Australia where I live (named “Queensland” after Queen Victoria, believe it or not, because another state, “Victoria,” had already got her actual first name), some earnest young farming types including two of my father’s cousins, led apparently by a silly clergyman who took the classic English story of King John and the Magna Carta (the barons of England forcing the king to sign a paper which forever afterwards was a basic part of their constitution) far too seriously, broke into the parliament building in our state, and tried to get the Premier (the equivalent of a “governor” in your states) to sign a paper making them the government. They were going to straighten everything out. Instead they were taken away to jail and eventually put on trial. The jury threw the charges out. People then didn’t like politicians any more than they do now. Even the judge apparently told the jury something to the effect that “studying these questions” (as the boys had been doing) might be considered laudable.

The way your media continues to treat that riot as if it were some sort of serious affront to your “democracy” suggests to me that you are still being led by the nose, by the class of people who live by deception.

Abe
Abe
9 days ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

This is all very suspicious. In first term, say all sorts of things and make all sorts of promises and see who is on-board. In second term destroy them because they are enemies of the real Agenda?

Everyone has very naive ideas about the real motivations of those high in society. Their goals are not to make families stronger, not to make small business more profitable, not to make neighborhoods safer, not to enlighten schoolchildren with truth.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
9 days ago
Reply to  Abe

Let’s hope it isn’t as deep as that. I lean to the idea that you should assume stupidity rather than conspiracy where there is room for doubt. I hope we’re not living in a hall of mirrors where NOTHING is true.

Mike T
Mike T
11 days ago

None of us is privy to the inner sanctum of the current administration, but I fear that any political force whose leadership’s primary demand is “Loyalty to its leader above all” HAS to test every member’s integrity, OFTEN, and in the extreme.
In the movie “Hemingway & Gellhorn,” After the democratically-elected government of Spain fell to the Franco dictatorship, Mrs. H proclaimed, “We are forever bitched.” Yea, Martha, I think I’m beginning to understand how you feel.
“With integrity, nothing else matters; without integrity, nothing else matters.”

Jackula
Jackula
11 days ago

I agree with most of Mish’s assessment. Sad to see someone completely torch what was a promising career. Bit depressing as I contributed to her political campaigns. Not resigning at the first attack on Iran was fatal to any future career for her in politics…I think we are getting close to critical mass with the large number of Independents that a new party will arise focused on solving America’s urgent problems.

Sentient
Sentient
10 days ago
Reply to  Jackula

Unfortunately, her career was never really promising because they would never let her get close to actual power.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
10 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

Bewbies are a potent disqualifier.

Daniel Holzer
Daniel Holzer
11 days ago

It is hard to recall a member of his administration that he has not ruined. Especially his first term, everyone with any credibility was used up and then discarded. I suppose there is hardly anyone with credibility willing to work for him this term (just Rubio and Tulsi?).

Oleg Grozny
Oleg Grozny
11 days ago

I suspect Vance and Rubio have likewise ruined their political careers by their allegiance to Trump.

Jojo
Jojo
10 days ago
Reply to  Oleg Grozny

Rubio is actually getting good publicly and showing he has the chops to be taken seriously as a Presidential candidate. Vance, not so much.

Mick
Mick
10 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

I like your sense of humor, Jojo. Keep it up!

Augustine
Augustine
10 days ago
Reply to  Mick

Please, never, ever encourage MAGA.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
10 days ago
Reply to  Augustine

But they look so sad…

Sentient
Sentient
10 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Rubio is transparently phony. Vance is opaquely phony.

Webej
Webej
10 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

American voters often go for candidates that are promoted as sincere, genuine, or authentic.

Like Bush jr, Reagan, Obama.

Remember when Windows was promoting NT as robust, secure, scalable, enterprise-ready? Things are often promoted by emphasizing their drawbacks as strong points.

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realityczech
realityczech
10 days ago
Reply to  Oleg Grozny

lol, this level of delusion is hilarious.

Creamer
Creamer
11 days ago

I certainly hope everyone who’s voted Republican in the last decade is happy with what they’ve voted for. The children? Molested, but at least not “trans’d” or whatever (less than 2% of the population by the way)! Government overreach is on a level never before seen in this nation’s history, hope you like having a fat Mexican pointing a gun at you in traffic! He’s with the government now. Graft is openly practiced with a smile, market manipulation too. Oh, and there’s a golden statue of dear leader now.

It is America’s 250th birthday and we are on the verge of collapsing. Traditional values indeed.

Mike T
Mike T
11 days ago
Reply to  Creamer

Well said, Creamer. I ardently agree. Somewhat. It’s a passionate stance – Red vs Blue, but I’ve seen little evidence of doing what’s best for this formerly great nation and its constituents from either party. Harris? Biden? Barrack Hussein? Dubya? Clinton? Elder Bush? In the event of your early demise, who among them would you trust to raise your children, let alone the helmsmanship of this nation?

FDR
FDR
10 days ago
Reply to  Mike T

You forgot the mind addled St, Ronnie Raygun that put on steroids the neoliberal and neoconservative policies of divide and conquer, jingoism, nationalism, Star Wars, crony capitalism, the S&L, HUD scandals and the coup de grace- Iran- Contra.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
10 days ago
Reply to  FDR

Ah, yes, dear old Ronald Reagan, who was ridiculed by your kind of people throughout his presidency, but still managed to force the Soviet Empire into collapse, and remove the threat of nuclear war for a generation or so. That was such a little achievement in comparison with, say, getting your loyal CIA agent Muammar (?) Gaddafi murdered, or bungling a war in Afghanistan, or starting an unnecessary war against Iraq and disgracing your military by the way you treated prisoners, or collapsing your dollar (which was of course an achievement that all your administrations and congresses participated in). And what about the attack on the “twin towers”? I don’t suggest that your George Bush II actually knew about it in advance (he was too stupid to have been in the loop), but I think it has the marks of your government all over it. Any explanations yet of why the third building collapsed? Was the aircraft that crashed outside of town supposed to fly into it?

Creamer
Creamer
10 days ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

Forcing the Soviet Empire into collapse? Despite it doing that well before he entered office? Very smart Arthur! I bet he made the sun rise and fall every day of his presidency too.

Oops, wait. I read further down. You’re just a fucking retard.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
10 days ago
Reply to  Creamer

Thanks for that. You haven’t attempted to answer any of my questions. Is there some secret, known only to Americans, about that “third building” story?

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
10 days ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

PS. The Soviet empire didn’t collapse “well before” Reagan entered office. It began to thrash around after Reagan and his Defense Secretary, Caspar Weinberger, started making noises about “Star Wars,” the weaponization of space. The Soviets knew they couldn’t afford to keep up, and decided they would have to do something about it, which meant freeing up their sclerotic economic system. That meant allowing an element of free speech, which killed their system. You may be too young to know, but I’m not: I watched it.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
10 days ago
Reply to  Creamer

Russia has been collapsing for 300 years.

Phil
Phil
9 days ago
Reply to  Creamer

The collapse of the Soviet Empire was a complete surprise to the CIA, NSA, and President Bush.

FDR
FDR
10 days ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

Raygun didn’t win the Cold War. Pickup a history book as to when it started. The American taxpayer, every president, congress and those that served in the armed services during the Cold War won it.

The Soviet empire’s version of state capitalism was failing in the 70s. Gorbachev could read a balance sheet.

Raygun just happened to be president when the USSR house of cards fell.

Arthur Orwell
Arthur Orwell
9 days ago
Reply to  FDR

I think that to understand twentieth century history, including some of the very bad things that were done by President Franklin Roosevelt, you always need to keep in mind that the Communist Party took over Russia in 1917. The ‘Origin of Species’ had been published some time in the 19th century, and most people knew that Christianity was not true. There was a genuine belief among a lot of people who didn’t understand economics that some sort of socialism was the way forward.

Everything that was done by Roosevelt and the British socialists may be seen, I think, as a way of warding off the destruction of private property and order by a Communist revolution. It doesn’t really matter whether you call what we have now fascism or social democracy: it is much the same compromise between individual liberty and the power of force and fraud that existed in Europe during the age between the end of the Roman Empire and the advance of science that began in perhaps the eighteenth century.

Strangely enough, science still seems to advance in the West in spite of the corruption of politics. It suggests to me that there is some sort of inherent virtue in Western people. (That’s for you racial-equality fanatics. I should acknowledge Jewish intellectuals like Albert Einstein and Ludwig von Mises.)

I wouldn’t be too interested in what modern history books say about the end of Communism. No doubt they have rationalized it and fitted it into their spurious ideas by now. Communism still looked pretty threatening in 1976-78, when I was a student activist against it. All the no-good university types who are all-in for racial equality and women’s lib now were all-in for Communism then. Maybe the American rulers always knew enough economics to know that Communism couldn’t work very well, but the ordinary public didn’t. We saw atomic bombs, and planes that could dump them on our heads. Reagan gave Communism a push after he became President at the end of year 1980, and it fell to pieces. Previous presidents, while wasting huge amounts of money and the lives of conscripted soldiers on “fighting Communism” in Viet Nam, hadn’t done anything effective about it.

FDR
FDR
8 days ago
Reply to  Arthur Orwell

Respond to the retort then I’ll read the entirety of the response assuming that you did address that Raygun just happened to be president when the Cold War ended.

To be sure, conflating FDR with post WW II foreign policy is a straw man. I ended my reading there due to your bs argument.

Provide a response that is germane. Get it?

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Creamer
Creamer
10 days ago
Reply to  Mike T

Elder bush was a steady hand with great track record, I’m not even a Republican and I can see that. Obama is widely regarded as a good president, though I think he’s best described as “okay”. Bernie was a good egg, but the DNC wouldn’t have him and pushed him out. If I could pick, I think Mamdani could raise my kids just fine. Shame he can’t run for pres, but there’ll be more like him from that generation.

And how can singular people do what’s best in a system that’s this deeply broken? I see a SCOTUS that is out of control and openly corrupt, gerrymandering that is choking off our elections, and a complete lack of enforcement of our laws. Trump is openly settling a case with himself and paying himself. In any other working nation, that would have him led off in handcuffs.

Also, any of the people you just listed would have more scruples than this. Of both parties. I would trust any single one of them more than DJT because not a single one of them screwed up this bad. That is all we are asking.

Last edited 10 days ago by Creamer
Jojo
Jojo
10 days ago
Reply to  Creamer

The future savior is going to be an AI. Expect the people to elect an AI to high office, possibility President, in the next 10 years of so.

Mick
Mick
10 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

I’ll vote for a Luddite.

Creamer
Creamer
10 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

How’s that Iran war going Jojo?

Webej
Webej
10 days ago
Reply to  Creamer

People acting on gender dysphoria was traditionally about 2‰, not 2%, and virtually exclusively male.

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