Understanding House Speaker McCarthy’s “Limit Save Grow Act” on Free Government Aid

This chart from the Kaiser Family Foundation is just the increase from 2020.

Regarding the budget deficit, Yesterday I commented President Biden and the Need to Do Something, Just Not Now

McCarthy’s Key Demands

  1. Claw back unspent Covid-19 funds.
  2. Impose tougher work requirements for recipients of food stamps and other government aid.
  3. Halt Biden’s plans to forgive up to $20,000 in student loans.
  4. End many of the landmark renewable energy tax breaks Biden signed into law last year. It would tack on a sweeping Republican bill to boost oil, gas and coal production.

I stated “The first three points should not be the least bit controversial. Point 3 will happen via the Supreme Court, anyway. I have been arguing for tougher rules on government aid for a long time.”

This Tweet is in response.

Understanding McCarthy’s Proposal 

McCarthy’s proposal would require able-bodied adults without children to work, train or volunteer at least part time as a condition of receiving taxpayer support.  

Generous exclusions include people with dependent children, those under age 19, those over the age of 56, individuals enrolled in an educational program.

And the Medicaid recipients only have to work 80 hours per month. 

Apparently, this is too much for liberals to take. 

The CBO Estimate

The CBO estimates it would save $120 billion. Some believe the change would cost money.

Based on actual experience in Arkansas, I suggest that the CBO’s savings estimate is too low.

Work Requirements for Welfare Aren’t ‘Wacko’

Nick Stehle, vice president of communications at the Foundation for Government Accountability, says Work Requirements for Welfare Aren’t ‘Wacko’

Are work requirements for welfare recipients “wacko”? That’s what President Biden said on April 19 in reaction to House Republicans’ debt-ceiling proposal, which included this policy for Medicaid and food stamps. 

In 2018 Arkansas became the first state in America to implement a broad work requirement for Medicaid. It did so under a federal waiver, requiring that able-bodied, childless adults work at least part-time to keep receiving Medicaid benefits—very close to what’s contained in the bill passed by House Republicans.

The need for work requirements was obvious to anyone paying attention. In 2013, under Democratic Gov. Mike Beebe, Arkansas became the first Southern state to expand Medicaid. The number of new enrollees was 50% higher than predicted, costing taxpayers at least $1 billion more than expected, and by 2015 40% of state residents were on the program. The majority of new enrollees were able-bodied, childless adults, and half of them reported being out of the workforce entirely.

But the work requirement, which phased in starting in June 2018, turned things around. Medicaid rolls immediately began shrinking. Tens of thousands went back to work, and more than 14,000 boosted their incomes enough to leave Medicaid entirely. Moving people from dependence to independence as soon as possible should be the goal of safety-net programs.

Unfortunately, and as Stehle points out, Arkansas’s work-for-welfare experiment was cut short in April 2019 by an Obama-appointed federal judge, who paused Arkansas’s federal waiver on procedural grounds. 

The case then made its way all the way to the Supreme Court which dismissed the case as moot because the Biden administration had already withdrawn the waiver.

The result is that once again welfare fraud is free to run rampant.

Liberals Protest

Health Affairs complains 18,000 adults lost coverage in Arkansas. 

I wonder if the real problems are too few lost coverage, and SSDI benefits are too generous. 

How to Fix Disability Insurance

A National Affairs article from 2015 on How to Fix Disability Insurance is a bit stale but covers the key points. 

The article notes that demographics including the aging of baby boomers is responsible for some of the rise. But adjusting for demographic changes, there has been a roughly 50% increase in SSDI receipt since 1980 and a 60% to 70% increase since 1989.

Loosening standards for receiving disability is part of the problem: “In 2012, 58% of new beneficiaries qualified not on the basis of their medical condition alone, but because of additional consideration of their demographic characteristics and work experience.”

Factor in generous benefits: “The average monthly SSDI benefit today is almost exactly what a full-time worker making minimum wage earns before taxes. And that doesn’t include the value of Medicare benefits, which has grown as employer health coverage has declined and medical costs have risen.”

Importantly, “SSDI has thus gradually evolved into a long-term unemployment program, and it is particularly badly designed to play that role. Once awarded benefits, most enrollees remain on SSDI until death or retirement.”

Headed in the Wrong Direction

McCarthy proposes those who are able-bodied between the age of 19 and 56, who have no dependents, work 80 hours a month vs a normal 160 in a 4-week month. 

McCarthy has the right idea but it’s only a start.

Food Stamp Program

I suggest changes to the food stamp program, now called SNAP. 

Specifically, I would prohibit candy, potato chips, snacks, pizzas, ice cream, cakes, deserts, and soda. But I would allow soap, laundry detergent, cleaning supplies, and toothpaste. 

We have more than a bit of an obesity problem, and SNAP is a part of the problem. 

Those who want candy and snacks can get a job, at least part time. 

We need to reduce dependency on government handouts. Changes to the disability and food stamp programs would be a welcome start.

The US Appears to Be Over the Debt Limit Already. What’s Going On?

For the debt ceiling background on this post, please see The US Appears to Be Over the Debt Limit Already. What’s Going On?

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Addendum

My original lead chart from the BLS was not the correct chart. I replaced it with a chart from the Kaiser Family Foundation

Increases in enrollment may reflect changes in the economy, changes in policy (like recent adoption of the Medicaid expansion in the Affordable Care Act), and the temporary continuous enrollment provision created by the Families First Coronavirus Response Act (FFCRA).

There are about 42 million people on SNAP, about 92 million on Medicaid, and about 70,000 on SSDI.

Those on Medicaid jumped by about 21 million since February 2020. 

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Call_Me
Call_Me
11 months ago
“There are about 42 million people on SNAP, about 92 million on Medicaid, and about 70,000 on SSDI.”
The addendum needs to be amended. SSDI is more like 7.5 million workers, according to the March numbers in Table 2-
Call_Me_Al
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
11 months ago
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Roy
Roy
11 months ago
If you are able, just read the comments dispassionately and you will easily see why the country is in the shape it is.
Nearly all the comments are of the type “Fix this part, this way and it will work better.”
No… It won’t.
There is a reason why the framers of the Constitution did not include a provision for taking money and giving it to others in need. There is a reason that they didn’t include a provision for healthcare. (Did you think they had no healthcare costs back then?)
Government is incapable of doing so in anything close to an ethical method. That is because no such method exists. No matter how smart you are, some group of people will outsmart you to rob the system. Even if they don’t actually outsmart you, they’ll use lawfare to get what they want. If you’re handing out money to Joe Blow, then my client deserves some too! (Are we still graduating 7 lawyers for every engineer?)
There is always an excuse, such as “Directed Energy” below illustrates. (I’m not questioning his/her statement, by the way. It may be a valid point. It is however, an exception to the “rule,” assuming any actual rules exist.)
We used to have a Constitutional Republic. The Constitution has been ignored. Now we have something resembling a Democratic Republic. Democracies will always rob the treasury and exhaust themselves. Unless we scrap all of these giveaways and revert back to a Constitutional Republic, we are going broke. There is simply no primer that will get the gold to stick to this turd. I wish it weren’t so, but History says that it is.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
11 months ago
Reply to  Roy
Poor disillusioned Roy.
You are thinking back to a time when folks cared about each other.
Directed Energy
Directed Energy
11 months ago
Disability is also for generally functioning people that have mental health issues. You can be fine for weeks, but when you have an episode and can’t mentally make it out of bed, no one will keep you on staff. A lot of disabled people have this issue.
Keep Trying
Keep Trying
11 months ago
The best way to have a little something and provide for your family is to get educated (not necessarily college), be career long term minded, work hard, save, and invest over your lifetime. It was true decades ago and, I believe, it is true today. Take care of yourself and your family, first. Even socialists come out ahead this way. Look an Bernie Sanders. He works hard at promoting socialism. He’s saved and invested by buying real estate. It’s just like those in government promoting capitalism, but socialist will never admit it. As long as a substantial part of those people come out ok or ahead whether you are left or right, our society will probably continue to muddle along.
Our rewards systems are just so screwed up. Poor people are in tax like brackets that exceed many wealthier people’s tax brackets, but wealthier people are already paying almost all the income taxes. The middle class has to struggle with all kinds of expenses that the poor class doesn’t because other areas of the private and public sector use “adjusted gross income” to doll out the funds too. We have several tax systems inside the same tax system. We have tax systems outside the tax system that are not called taxes. Yet, somehow tptb seem to always need more taxes. It baffles me why some improvements can’t be made on the spending side! I do understand why it is difficult to make substantial improvements on the spending side. It’s because so many people’s jobs hinge upon that spending. Mostly those people are just trying to have a little something and provide for their family with their education, hard work, saving and investing. Most of us are just trying to get by as best we can and it’s for greater minds to be concerned with productivity and economic systems, etc. Those greater minds are letting us down.
My conclusion is it cannot be fixed, it will just kind of continue to rot over time until some event causes us all to “fail”. Oh well. Who knows?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
11 months ago
Reply to  Keep Trying
So what do you want?
More!
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Carl_R
Carl_R
11 months ago
Years ago I used to rent tuxes, and in those days, most people going to prom wore tuxedos. Prior to 1996 or so, the most common pant size for high school students, by far, was 28-30, followed by 31-33, with only a few people wearing sizes larger than that. By 2006, the change was incredible; the median size moved up to 34-36, with a substantial number at 37-39, and very few at 28-30. As people age, they usually gain weight, so I am not surprised that the situation is worse today. Is the problem junk food? No doubt that is part of it, but I don’t think that explains it all. Today’s children spend far more time indoors, playing computer games and browsing social media .
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
11 months ago
Reply to  Carl_R
That’s definitely a part for sure.
But I think the type of food we eat matters a lot too. Junk food aside (I ate tons as a kid but metabolism was high from sports so it didn’t matter), we are eating a LOT more MSG food and genetically modified food and processed food etc. All of those contribute mightily to obesity. After all, European kids are probably spending just as much time playing games and surfing the internet and Europe has no where near the obesity problem America has.
Carl_R
Carl_R
11 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
As I said, part of it is a food thing, but part of it is also an activity thing. Kids today eat far more processed food, such as frozen food, and far, far more fast food. Growing up, I ate at restaurants of one form or another perhaps 10-12 times a year, perhaps half of them “fast food”. Today kids may eat fast food >150 times a year, rather than 6. In addition, I never was exposed to things like potato chips, Cheetos, etc, perhaps getting a bit of Chex mix once or twice a year (in the aftermath of parties my parents hosted). Soda pop I was only allowed to drink when we ate out, so that would be 10-12 times a year, while today’s kids may drink 32 ounces a day. All this is bad, and when you factor in dramatically lower activity, it’s a disaster.
jiminy
jiminy
11 months ago
Reply to  Carl_R
it’s simply a lack of self-responsibility. This results in low self esteem. It’s an individual thing, not a group thing.
Carl_R
Carl_R
11 months ago
Reply to  jiminy
It’s far more than lack of self-responsibility. Are you going blame a 5 year old for lack of self-responsibility if his parents take him to McDonalds 5 days a week, and feed him sodas a couple times a day? That’s like blaming cows and pigs for gaining weight when we send them to the feed lot to fatten them up. If parents put children in positions where weight gain is inevitable, why are we surprised if they gain weight? Then, worse, when nearly all children are overweight, why would children see anything unusual if they are the same as all their friends. Why would they have “low self esteem”?
Now, once a person is grown, and on their own, then they can be held to a standard of self-responsibility, and yes, if they come to realize that being obese is not normal, and not healthy, then it could lead to low self-esteem, but the problem today is starting with children increasingly being obese, long before they are on their own.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
11 months ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Seldom saw obese kids when they were busy in the mills keeping those looms humming.
Billy
Billy
11 months ago
Mish 2024
Rbm
Rbm
11 months ago

those republicans aren’t mentioning reinstating all those tax cuts that mainly benefit corporations and the wealthy. You know the ones the bean counters in the basement said would add a trillion to the debt over ten years.

billybobjr
billybobjr
11 months ago
Reply to  Rbm
Good try Rbm ! Federal tax revenues have been growing in fact 2023 the projected revenues are 4.71 trillion that is more than double
what the 2010 revenues were at 2.16 trillion . Even after tax cuts the revenues increased although there were pauses due to covid and
the downturn in 2008 . Deficits are projected to explode and we won’t meet the one in 2023 and may be 1.5 trillion over the 4.71 trillion
in revenues with revenues going up and spending increasing even more . We have a spending problem . Heaven forbid anyone
or entity wanting to control spending but that is why we are were we are at . If you think raising taxes will help well they doubled the amount
of tax they got over 12 years and the deficit will be even worse going forward
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
11 months ago
My lead chart shows that from 2015 to 2020, those on disability stabilized. In the last 2.5 years, the number of people on disability skyrocketed by 4 million to 33 million.
I think you are looking at the wrong numbers. The Fed may categorize whoever they want as disabled but social security, which actually tracks PAID disability claims, shows the trend down and nowhere near the 30 million.
Here are the DOWNWARD trending numbers FROM SOCIAL SECURITY on disability:
Dec 2022 – 12007
Jan 2023 – 12006
Feb 2023 – 11968
Mar 2023 – 11917
Of course, I fully expect the number of disabled to go up as the population ages, that is logical and the reason I keep bringing up demographics. We have 40+ million that will reach age 65 in 2030 and they will only get older as time goes on. I fully expect strokes, heart attacks, diabetes, dementia, and cancer (to name a few) that will force people to become disabled. Everyone gets their fifteen minutes of fame and I’m sure everyone will get some type of disability at some point so I’d quit calling it fraud.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
11 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
re: “expect the number of disabled to go up as the population ages”
No, disability is converted into social security.
Jmurr
Jmurr
11 months ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Not if you don’t have 40 quarters of work.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
11 months ago
Reply to  Jmurr
“Typically, you will have needed to have worked 5 of the last 10 years to have enough work credits to quality for Social Security Disability Income (SSDI).”
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
11 months ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Average age of population ~ 39 years old (28 years late 1970s) per Census Bureau. MPO likely correct that disability will grow as there will be more older people (that haven’t hit 65) in the coming years.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
11 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
“I think you are looking at the wrong numbers.”
You are correct. Mish conflating 2 different animals. Mish citing people who SELF IDENTIFY a disability for Current Population Survey. This number reported in the monthly NFP. Your number is the correct one for budgetary purposes.
Nice homework!
“Social Security disability status is unrelated to the CPS measure of disability. Also, the CPS disability measure has no bearing on the determination of Social Security disability status. CPS data are confidential and are collected for statistical purposes only. The Social Security Administration uses a completely independent process to determine disability status and this status, including the determination of eligibility for benefits, is entirely unrelated to the CPS disability measure.”
Mish
Mish
11 months ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Yep I did. Should have posted a chart of Medicaid, only 92 million or so.
Corrected
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
11 months ago
Talking about work requirements, why not require something other than keyboard entries to purchase treasuries by the blood sucking parasitical private banking system who are the major benefactors of that guaranteed stream of income. There’s no real reason to create all new money ONLY AS DEBT when you’ve mathematically and macro-economically eliminated inflation forever with a 50% Discount/Rebate policy at retail sale. Then all you have to do is create most new money and intelligently distribute it. You want people to work? Create a job guarantee and then double the purchasing power of every dollar earned with the 50% Discount/Rebate policy which by the way doesn’t increase the costs of the employer by a single cent. Monetary Gifting, the new economic and financial paradigm. Too simple for the erudite and those terminally acculturated to the present paradigm of Debt Only, too world changing not to be a mega-paradigm change.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
11 months ago
re: “parasitical private banking system”

“A sworn fore of bureaucrats, Mr. Wriston often joked:
“Regulators sit by while snails go by like rockets.” He devoted much of his
career to diving through loopholes in bank holding-company legislation or
wriggling free of interest-rate restrictions. As Mr. Zweig shows, Mr. Wriston
presided over an encyclopedic range of innovations-among them negotiable CDs,
term loans, syndicated loans, floating-rate notes and currency swaps-that ended
forever the moribund bonking of the 1950s and ushered in our razzle-dazzle age
of finance. The old prudential banker’s ethic was eclipsed by the hedonistic
freedom of the consumer culture.”

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
11 months ago
If there were a 120% refund at point of sale folks would have a little extra to go shopping somewhere else.
There is no end to stupid ideas such as yours, and you can’t fix stupid.
More Money Today! What could possibly go wrong?
hmk
hmk
11 months ago
Didn’t Bill Clinton start the work requirement mandate for welfare, and then Obama repealed it? Did we not run a surpus under Clinton? No question there is rampant abuse of the system. One suggestion would be to have a single payer health insurance for all. That would bring back in a lot of the workforce. Obamacare was an abortion, it should have ben single payer instead. It works.
RonJ
RonJ
11 months ago
Reply to  hmk
Government meddling causes new problems. For each action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
hmk
hmk
11 months ago
Reply to  RonJ
Single payer isn’t perfect but its still leasted f’d up choice we have. I understand that Obama would have been successful in passing a single payer system but the hold out was Joe Lieberman whose state was heavy with health insureres.
RonJ
RonJ
11 months ago
Reply to  hmk
“Single payer isn’t perfect but its still leasted f’d up choice we have.”
I don’t know that to be true. Why do we even need a system in the first place?
Rbm
Rbm
11 months ago
Reply to  hmk
If i remember rt. Clinton was considering to pay off the debt. But so many relied on treasuries as part of the finical system he decided against it. I was pondering if the excess revenue was generated from the housing bubble and such.
dtj
dtj
11 months ago
It’s a strange quirk of human nature that people are more concerned about what people below them are “getting away with” rather than what people above them are.
99% of working class people have no idea what the “carried interest tax loophole” is nor do they care. But they’re all gung ho about going after food stamp recipients.
Zardoz
Zardoz
11 months ago
Reply to  dtj
If one is out drinking and decides to pick a fight, does one pick on the big guy or the little guy? It’s a matter of practicality, and cowardice.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
11 months ago
Reply to  dtj
That’s because you aren’t paying for the people above you, but you are paying for the people below you.
Much more importantly, there are tens of millions of those people which is ever growing compared to only a handful on the other side that is virtually static.
Zardoz
Zardoz
11 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
If the you aren’t paying the people above, and the people below you aren’t paying the people above, where does their money come from?
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
11 months ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Same place that yours and my money comes from. Working. Whether that’s a 9-5 job or whether its via ownership of a productive asset.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
11 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
My favorite asset is a keyboard at the Federal Reserve System.
billybobjr
billybobjr
11 months ago
Reply to  dtj
Yea but the top 1% pay nearly 50 percent of income tax more than the battom 90% do . the top 10% pay most all of the income tax .
Most people I know who have received SSDI probably 80% were not no more disabled than I am and I am not disabled . The fraud
of these programs is massive . People who neeed handicap stickers is a joke and would benefit from walking the extra 100 yds to
get to the store . People who are handicapped because of their own sorryness being paid and encouraged to not change anything .
It is very sad to see .
Christoball
Christoball
11 months ago
Section 8 housing is never meant to benefit the poor but to benefit the landlord who could never rent their dump at market prices. Food stamps are never meant to feed the poor but are meant to create additional demand for junk food and processed food that the poorly educated gravitate to.
There are really only two food groups, that which is poison and that which is medicine. Food stamps need to have limited choices to only Fresh, Frozen or canned vegetables and fruits with no added sugar, Fresh, frozen and canned meats without preservatives, unprocessed whole grain products with the exception of white rice; as rice goes easily rancid. Additionally no GMO. The quality of food would go up for everyone with these market forces.
Perhaps we need to start having work requirements for passive income types.
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
11 months ago
Reply to  Christoball
As time has gone by, you are finally starting to get wiser.
radar
radar
11 months ago
Reply to  Christoball
I worked in a grocery as a teen and almost everyone who paid with stamps would then pull out a wad of cash and buy cigs and beer. So taxpayers are really paying for their ‘luxury’ items that they’d be better off without. Free cigs and beer does buy votes though.
Christoball
Christoball
11 months ago
Reply to  radar
I am not a big fan of cash aid. Not a big fan of the Obama phone concept either. If you want a phone, cigs, beer or other luxury items you need to work for them. Every benefit should be healthy and delegated, and if you want choices, work for them.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
11 months ago
Reply to  radar
Perhaps a few scratch-off lottery tickets should be included on the SNAP list.
It’s for the children.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
11 months ago
There’s the problem with the lawyers who receive compensation from winning disability cases (funds that come from disability itself), and the judges who grant disability cases.
KidHorn
KidHorn
11 months ago
I’ve always felt grocery stores should be split in two parts. One part that has healthy foods and another that has junk food. To get into the junk food section, you would have pass between steel poles spaced about 16″ apart.
Zardoz
Zardoz
11 months ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Whole Foods has it gated by cost. If you buy produce, dairy and meat, it’s about the same as other stores, but the junk food is “healthy” junk food that costs 4x as much, and quite frankly, sucks.
KidHorn
KidHorn
11 months ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Put organic on the package and charge 2x as much. Replaces the old new and improved labels.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
11 months ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Most grocery stores deliver these days so there isn’t a need to pass between those poles to get the snacks.
The only way to quasi-limit it would be to not allow SNAP cards to purchase those items. I say quasi because many stores want the business so would label the snacks in a way to let the SNAP card still buy them.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
11 months ago
Oh yes, it’s all because of the nasty poor. And such trivial requirements. Unfortunately, many of those who are getting those food stamps are getting them because they can’t find work. And the volunteering only works when the organization accepting volunteers accepts them. Most don’t. Not that I have a problem with the candy. But, I see how quick you are to anger about your right to hate the poor. But I propose a different welfare class get hit. Not the one created, but the one that created it. Corporations.
Lobbyists should be illegal, but the people are stupid and cowardly, so we have them. Blank stares will greet you if you are foolish enough to bring them up. The welfare of the tech companies as they collect that sweet sweet pork for handling those Reagan phones. I know, all of you like to call them Obama phones, but Reagan started it. Funny how one party’s idea fits in so well for the other. How about all those sweet, sweet, deals the too big to fail banks make when they fail? How about fining large corporations real fines when they’re caught laundering drug money for cartels, caught having too few guards in their prisons, etc. Instead, the fines amount to nothing more than a tax. And never any jail. That’s for the poor. The list goes on. The biggest welfare class is the public corporation. But, let’s step on the poorest. The ones created by the state.
Johnson did more to bring back slavery than any other president. Stipulating the man not be in the picture if a woman was to receive aid. Great urban renewal tore down businesses and put up nothing. And what do you get out of that? The welfare class. A class that is responsible for its ignorance, but not for its birth. A birth that is far harder to survive than those that hate them. But go ahead and damn the poor, while letting the true welfare class go without a passing mention. How much money would we save if big old pork barrel institutions like the death merchants, technology corporations, big agra, etc., quit getting their bottom lines padded because they contributed to some sleazebag’s campaign? The whole system is corrupt, yet you focus in with your laser vision on a tiny portion of the problem. And a problem created by the biggest problem. A problem you don’t seem to have much of a problem with.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
11 months ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
It’s pretty clear from the Arkansas example that there in fact WAS lots of jobs and volunteering work.
Even if there isn’t there is always plenty of things that need to be done like pick up trash alongside the roads or in public parks etc. A couple hours of that per week isn’t too much to ask.
Incidentally, the welfare class is practically a ‘career choice’ at this point. You see multiple generations on welfare. That only happens because kids see their parents on it and that’s all they aspire to. In other words most people on welfare are there because their parents were on welfare rather than they fell on hard times (people who want to work, transition off welfare quickly).
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
11 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Gee, didn’t work that way in florida. And you can’t read. The reason for the multiple generations was addressed adequately for the literate. But you missed it. The government requirement that a man be out of the picture. A literate person would have understood that. Notice how Mish, who claims to be a libertarian but whined about a libertarian running in Georgia because of the vote split, only uses the GOP talking points. No one ever mentions having the ones on aid being encouraged to work by not taking away every penny they make as they try to get out of their shackles. Superficial response from a superficial mind. Now I remember why I had hit ignore on you before. Nothing of substance. But, the little gray box shows up and I just had to push it. Won’t happen again.
I also noticed how you don’t seem to be concerned about the corporate welfare either. A problem many times greater in magnitude and consequence. For the poor don’t write the laws.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
11 months ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
And I don’t like corporate welfare either. I don’t think we should be giving money to Government motors or Boeing etc. They should stand on their own or go out of business.
jiminy
jiminy
11 months ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
LBJ loved slavery. The draft was involuntary servitude. The left is all in on slavery when it fits their world view.
shamrock
shamrock
11 months ago
Improper payments in federal health programs are over $130B per year (link to cms.gov) Enforcement is so lax that if you only steal $1m a year nobody will bother you. Seems like a much riper area for investment than bugging people who sell their old crap on ebay for losses.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
11 months ago
Reply to  shamrock
During the last few years of the dotcom bubble, if you didn’t lose ten million, or were an old person or woman, there was no need to bother the SEC about it. The laxity of their enforcement divisions meant there was not enough people to handle the workload.
Avery
Avery
11 months ago
Do those data – maps with % obesity – color coding exist by county / region?
Arcola, Effingham and Tuscola are in same state as Chicago. Wooster and Hicksville are in the same state as Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati. French Lick and Jasper are in the same state as Indianapolis and Gary.
Zardoz
Zardoz
11 months ago
Reply to  Avery
Here’s one by county: link to maxmasnick.com
Overlays MAGAland perfectly.
Avery
Avery
11 months ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Thanks! I must be biased by patronizing the Mennonite / Amish diners I go to in the small towns I mentioned.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
11 months ago
Reply to  Zardoz
That’s over a decade out of date. At least in the PNW it’s not a great fit with MAGAland either.
Zardoz
Zardoz
11 months ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
There are a bunch of them up here. They mostly got ridiculed into hiding though.

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