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US Policy On China Will Fail, Germany’s Policy Failed Long Ago

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China’s Cosco Stake in Hamburg Port Unleashes Protest

On October 26, Reuters reported China’s Cosco Stake in Hamburg Port Unleashes Protest

The German cabinet allowed China’s Cosco to buy a stake in a terminal in the country’s largest port on Wednesday in a decision pushed through by Chancellor Olaf Scholz that triggered unprecedented protest within the governing coalition.

With the support of Scholz’s Social Democrat-led ministries, the cabinet approved a 24.9% stake investment by Cosco in one of logistics firm HHLA’s (HHFGn.DE) three terminals in the Hamburg port.

But the painful experience of being too dependent on Russian gas has changed many politicians’ attitude towards strategic foreign investment. The foreign ministry was so upset over the approval that it drew up a note on the cabinet meeting documenting its rejection.

The investment “disproportionately expands China’s strategic influence on German and European transport infrastructure as well as Germany’s dependence on China”, the document, seen by Reuters, says. It points to “considerable risks that arise when elements of the European transport infrastructure are influenced and controlled by China – while China itself does not allow Germany to participate in Chinese ports”.

How Not to Live With China

Eurointelligence has an interesting foreign policy article on How to Live With China, I added the word “not”.

Today the German cabinet is due to vote on the Cosco purchase of a stake in the Hamburg port. Bild made a last-minute appeal to the government to stop this, but reported that the Green and FDP ministers all folded, except for Annalena Baerbock, the foreign minister. 

Olaf Scholz has learned nothing from the Nord Stream 2 disaster, but in the country there is now some fledgling recognition of the national security implications of trade.

US policy towards China is also mistaken in our view. It is based on the futile attempt to stop China from getting access to the latest generation of semiconductors, and catching up with US defence technologies. It is naive to think that we can keep any technology private for any length of time, and secure our leading position through export restrictions. The Chinese will find a way. They always have.

Yesterday, we noted a comment by John Kerry, President Joe Biden’s climate envoy. Kerry noted that China constitutes 30% of all greenhouse gas emissions. There can be no effective global climate change agenda without the active co-operation of China, he said. Kerry is calling on both the US and China to start a dialogue. Obviously, this is not going to happen for as long as the US imposes sanctions on China.

The problem with western foreign policy is that it is overloaded with conflicting objectives: supporting Ukraine, climate change, human rights, and technological Mercantilism. On China, neither Germany, nor the US have it right. The EU is probably better placed to agree a more nuanced stance, a policy more assertive than Germany’s but more constructive than that of the Biden administration’s, if only because the EU does not itself have a need to protect technological leadership that it does not possess.

Kerry made an astute reference to the rather naïve US idea of keeping the climate change agenda in a separate bubble from geopolitical concerns, as he put it. This is not working. What happened is that China and the US have essentially broken off any meaningful dialogue on climate change. US policy towards China will fail. The German policy has failed a long time ago, but they still keep doubling down. Something new is needed.

Evolving Strategy

Germany’s new strategy is to cozy up to China instead of Russia. 

The US does not have much of a strategy at all other than to escalate Trump’s trade wars. 

Now Kerry wants to separate climate change from the rest of the issues while blocking access to China and meddling in its internal affairs, co-opting Canada in the process.

Biden Launches a Full-Blown Economic War on China, It Will Backfire

I discussed US-China mess on October 28 in Biden Launches a Full-Blown Economic War on China, It Will Backfire

The US thinks it can block microchip technology from China. It won’t and blowbacks are everywhere.

Now Kerry wants to get China more involved on climate change while marching on a meaningless path without it. 

The US can make no meaningful progress without China and is not remotely prepared for the path President Biden and the State of California has us on.

UN Seeks $4 to 6 Trillion Per Year to Address Climate

Finance Flows from UN Report

Meanwhile, the UN Seeks $4 to 6 Trillion Per Year to Address Climate.

What Would It Cost?

Hooray! Only $4 trillion to 6 trillion per year.

A global transformation from a heavily fossil fuel- and unsustainable land use-dependent economy to a low-carbon economy is expected to require investments of at least US$4–6 trillion a year,” stated the UN report (page 26 of 132).

Q: US$4–6 trillion a year for how many years?
A: Based on figure ES.6 (lead chart) least eight years.

Q: What Percent of GDP?
A: 4 to 9 percent for developing countries, and 2 to 4 percent for developed countries.

And developing countries will gladly fork over up to 9 percent of GDP every year for eight years.

Yeah, right. 

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KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Cosco owning part of a port and Russia supplying gas are a false equivalency. China’s owning of a port in no way allows them to stop supplying needed goods to Europe. They could do it just as easily if they didn’t own the port by not shipping the needed goods from China.
I think the key to keeping China from not making high end chips is they don’t have the machines needed to do it. ASML in the Netherlands makes the equipment needed for cutting edge manufacturing. Without them, no company, including TSMC could make the chips. And it would likely take China a decade or more to figure out how to do it.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
The US doesn’t have a coherent policy on China. The US doesn’t have a coherent policy on ANYTHING.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Lol! No country has coherent and consistent policy on anything. Because the world is in a constant state of change, and policy has to change on a dime, once change happens elsewhere in the world.
These days I don’t even carry change. Not even a dime.
Interesting that Xi seems to want to make nice with the US now that he has solidified his control. Just a wild guess, but I suspect he sees that western sanctions are turning Russia into another N Korea and he wants to avoid that. Couple that with recent sanctions by Biden on the Chinese high tech industry and suddenly Xi seems willing to talk.
Which means that Biden’s policy on China might actually be successful. Though I could easily be completely wrong. Time will tell.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Wrong, the U.S. has a coherent trickle down tax policy that creates wealth for wealthy people.
quattroluvr
quattroluvr
3 years ago
I have a fundamental patent in deep submicron IC manufacturing software tech and have a good bit of knowledge about both the ASML built EUV tech and the exotic mfg-prep software required for single-digit nanometer. The statment that “The Chinese will find a way. They always have.” is technologically ignorant of the gigantic moat that Western tech countries have – including the Dutch ASML company’s exotic lithography machines especially the extreme UV litho machines (the most complex machines ever made) – and the ‘rocket science’ USA-based IC Manufacturing software that I helped found and ran the product line for years. Plus the incredible depth of expertise required at all levels of technical staff and technical management for advanced chips manufacture. Both that ASML hardware and the advanced mfg prep software is embargoed and would I think be impossible for the Chinese to make themselves. Quite recently China fabs’ many U.S. citizens employees virtually all had to quit or lose their passports/citizenships so that vital expertise is GONE. China is DONE with anything but low-end chips. China’s billions sunk into homegrown tech has been riddled with corruption, such as the vaunted 7nm domestic chip that was actually a Western chip with the Western logo removed and a Chinese logo put on it! Peter Zeihan has more on this topic as another commenter noted, but I have first-hand knowledge of the essential tech and that tech moat is freaking gigantic.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  quattroluvr
Good analysis of the present realities of the chip manufacturing market.
quantzic
quantzic
3 years ago
Reply to  quattroluvr
I’m a software guy.
The Chinese chipmakers are currently shopping for someone to make the validation / verification software out there usable (and paying ~$150/hr+). It’s currently too slow. When I say too slow, I mean that it takes 10 servers running 40 days to verify an SoC design for AMD and others. That means that there can only be very few design iterations. This is the software that determines if there are hot spots on the chip, which would necessitate the chip running at a lower frequency.
Be careful what you wish for. They need fast backbones for AI and for 5G / 6G. Without the chips, those industries become chaos, and the country loses all kinds of investment in industry. Chaos would mean the people rise up and protest. The Chinese CCP might militarize and invade Vancouver before losing power in the mainland, or invade Taiwan and end TSMC just to keep the West from gaining advantage..
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  quantzic
Which is why the USA Is trying to bring chi manufacturing back to the USA. Saw an article where TSMC says we can’t do it. We shall see.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Peter Zeihan has an interesting counter opinion based on industry analysis – and believes that the American move to limit technology exports will harm China tremendously.
Here is link to his podcast.
Peter’s team is uncannily correct to distill current events out the future.
Augustthegreat
Augustthegreat
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack
Good luck to you if you take Zeihan as a serious China expert. Do a little DD by searching Zeihan and Nathan Rich on youtube and you will find what a charlatan that guy is!
GodfreeRoberts
GodfreeRoberts
3 years ago
The world’s first photonic chip fab opens in Beijing next year. As electricity displaces internal combustion in cars, photonic chips are displacing electronic chips in circuits. The switchover will accelerate when Sintone, a Beijing startup, opens the world’s first photonic chip foundry next year, neatly filling the high end chip gap created by US embargoes.

In an electronic integrated circuit, electron flux passes through electrical components like resistors, inductors, transistors, and capacitors. In a photonic integrated circuit, PIC, photons of light pass through optical components like waveguides, lasers, polarizers, and phase shifters.

PICs are far superior to electronic chips in speed, integration, heat generation, miniaturization, compatibility with existing mass manufacturing processes and cost, being produced entirely with Chinese equipment and IP.

MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  GodfreeRoberts
I need to learn more about this, but where IC’s are now being etched with transistors at molecular sizes, I’m hard pressed to understand how a mechanism that requires projection, channeling (fiber?) and reception of light could get it smaller, unless it makes up for it in speed.
IMO, the next direction for physical chips is increasing speed by liquid cooling, transistors cannot get smaller than the molecules they’re made of.
quattroluvr
quattroluvr
3 years ago
Reply to  GodfreeRoberts
this is utterly wrong. Photonic chips are good for things like manipulating fiber optic networks, but are ridiculously uncompetitive with silicon cips for functional density.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  quattroluvr
Thank you, I was about to ask you on your above response…I mentioned size in my own question to GodfreeRoberts above.
Please stay active here, you’re very informative.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  GodfreeRoberts

Photonic chips are being developed by many companies in many countries. It is still early times in this area, and it holds future potential, but you are over estimating what China will be accomplishing here.

In almost every high tech area that China is working on, they are often far behind what others are already accomplishing. They still don’t have highly effective Covid vaccines, and continue to struggle with mRNA tech. They are better at copying and stealing as opposed to developing.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Dave, where current etched chips have transistor at near molecular size, I don’t see how it’s possible to make photonic circtuits/gates any smaller, they require transmission, guidance and reception mechanisms to work.
See “quattroluvr”s response, he’s in the industry.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
I know very little in this area. Good thing there is an expert who can give us more details. My understanding is simply that photonics chips use light signals (photons) rather than the traditional electrical signals to send data through the chip. And they hold some promise in furthering the future development of more powerful chips. But it is still early days and I suspect China will lag the west in the development of these chips, particularly since all the western tech workers are now leaving China.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Where light requires a source, path and a receiver, that right there tells me the technology can’t surpass etched IC’s with transistors almost as small as molecules.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
You’re comparing apples and oranges.
Difference Between Photon and Electron
November 11, 2011
Posted by Madhu
The key difference between photon and electron is that photon is a packet of energy while the electron is a mass.
An electron is a subatomic particle that plays a vital role in almost everything. The photon is a conceptual packet of energy, which is very important in quantum mechanics. Electron and photon are two concepts that developed greatly with the development of quantum mechanics. It is vital to have a proper understanding of these concepts, to understand the field of quantum mechanics, classical mechanics and related fields properly.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
I fully know the difference between photon/electron, particle vs wave. (With exceptions in the double slit/Quantum theory)
My point being the photon needs a mechanism to send, contain/channel, and then receive, all I can find is fiber optics are used for containment.
Where a transistor is now near molecular size, I don’t see how it’s possible for the photonic mechanism to be any smaller.
One commentor here,, “quattroluvr”, works in the field, he states my point, photonics is not for microchips, it can’t compete.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
CATL is a leader in EV batteries.
China is innovating in solar panels & windmills.
China is ahead of us in SMR deployment.
China is ahead of us on hypersonic weapons.
China is ahead of us in facial recognition.
China is catching up with us rapidly in all sorts of military technology.
China may be at least on par with us in terms of AI.
China’s chip technology will catch up with us faster than most people think.
My guess is the biotech is the one area they’re behind on by a good measure.
I don’t think they’re as far behind on the whole as you suggest.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
The only point I’d agree with is CATL with 34% of global market share in EV batteries, but even then, the technology they use isn’t proprietary, their secret sauce is cheap labor, and, it’s getting less cheap as China emerges from “emerging” status.
As for hypersonic tech, unlike Russia or China, we tend not to announce our newest military tech, I suspect the military is behind the recent “impossibly high speed” UFO sightings off the West coast.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
China did make some great strides in the last few decades. A lot of China’s best innovations came when they temporarily embraced what you might call the Chinese form of free market capitalism. Now they are suppressing that innovation.
In addition, they opened their country to attract foreign high tech workers and foreign companies. And now those workers and companies are leaving or re-evaluating their commitments to China.
Xi now has a choice; let China’s growth and innovation lag; or try to make nice with the west in order to keep the growth and innovation going.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
GR is likely a Chinese agent. He pops up regularly in other places across the net whenever anything negative is written about China.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Chinese trolls in addition to Russian trolls! The misinformation continues.
William Janes
William Janes
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Amen. Old Godfrey is the last of Mao’s little red book followers. He is a committed Marxist/Leninist.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  GodfreeRoberts
Quantum chips. That’s the future!
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White House cyber official: U.S. beating China in race to quantum supremacy
Written by Suzanne Smalley
May 16, 2022 | CYBERSCOOP
A senior White House official overseeing cybersecurity said Monday that the U.S. is ahead of China in the dash to achieve quantum supremacy thanks to the “huge competitive advantage” conferred by the collaborative nature of American science and industry.
Quantum computing is a topic of discussion in the annals of power because quantum computers might be able to break encryption, including that protecting highly sensitive government data. The first country to produce functional quantum computers will claim a major strategic advantage in a variety of fields and especially in defense and cybersecurity, experts say.
The United States is in a “generally favorable position vis-à-vis China” in the race to win on quantum computing, according to the National Security Council’s Director for Cyber and Emerging Tech Policy Jonah Force Hill, who made the remarks at an event hosted by the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
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JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Anything coming out of this White House should be taken with a grain of salt!!!!
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
I get it. JRM is also a Chinese troll. Just like GFR. So many trolls. Anyone here from N Korea?
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Quantum computers, like fusion energy, are pipe dreams that are decades away.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
A factor being overlooked, exemplified here – https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUSR0000SEEE01
As suppliers increase, so does supply, and so does production efficiency and technology, and then price.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Developing countries cannot afford to use 9% of GNP for green crap. If they do, they won’t develop, and may go backwards. The only way this works is for developed countries to pay more, and slow their economies.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The goal is not to make green energy. Rather the goal is to reduce greenhouse emissions by reducing population.
denker
denker
3 years ago
Part of the rationale for approving the Cosco investment is that Hamburg would lose out to Rotterdam and other competing ports. Another consideration is Scholz’s trip to China with a business delegation.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Putin’s invasion permanently weakened Russian oil and gas
10/30/2022
Data: International Energy Agency; Chart: Axios Visuals
The Russian oil and gas sector will never fully recover from the fallout of the invasion of Ukraine, according to a report from a top global energy agency, weakening a vital part of the country’s economy for decades to come.
….
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Within six months the U.S. traded places with Russia as the number one global exporter of natural gas.
Putin just “Pearl harbored” Russia by picking a fight that was nowhere as easy as he thought, now European and U.S. infrastructure has been permanently modified to where he’d have to successfully invade Europe and force them to buy his gas.
At best, if Putin’s Oligarchy falls and the West is convinced the replacement government is benign, the E.U. would only buy a fraction what it once did.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
A simple undersea explosion and “the U.S. traded places with Russia as the number one global exporter of natural gas.”
Cui bono?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
The US was already exporting more gas than Russia before the explosion. Anyway the pipeline was closed down and not sending any more gas to Europe. The explosion just made it impossible to reopen it.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Currently it looks like Russia’s shifted from accusing the U.S. to the U.K., Britain has said Russian vessels were spotted there at the time of explosion, Russia is now accusing Britain of aiding Ukraine in the black sea drone attack that took out another major Russian warship yesterday.
Russia may now reciprocate by bombing Ukrainian schools and apartment buildings, or, as Ukraine now calls it “an ordinary day”.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
libera mundi
quattroluvr
quattroluvr
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
it’s entirely just as plausible that Russia sabotaged the pipes in order to blame the U.S. and drive a wedge between the US and Europe. A plausible motivation/false flag op.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  quattroluvr
Instead of driving a wedge it forged a weld between the US and Europe.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
The US will never be able to offer gas at a price anywhere near what Russia can. Europe can’t afford to buy US LNG long term.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
True, LNG is roughly 30% more expensive than CNG, the days of $2 gas may be over, but the U.S. can now play a significant role in keeping supply high to maintain lower price, we have limitless NG reserves.
Since August, price has fallen from $9 to $5 with increased supply as just one U.S. producer comes back online this month, the U.S. has three more set to complete construction this year.
This has turned into a major economic gain for the U.S., and as long as we can keep boosting output, prices will drop.
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Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Low priced energy will dominate, regardless of where it comes from.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Been my point all along, solar, wind, any renewable.
quattroluvr
quattroluvr
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
solar and wind can’t do the job. too intermittent and in Europe is one of the worst geographies/climate of all developed regions! A solar panel in Arizona produces 10X the energy of the same panel in Germany. Nuclear power is the only solution to replace nat gas and coal. Germany just took down a couple wind turbines to make way for expanding a lignite mine! (the worst possible type of coal!)
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  quattroluvr
True, but it can do “some” of the job, China currently derives 15% of it’s electricity from solar wind and it’s adding more.
We’re at 10%.
The “intermittent” point doesn’t mean we can’t shave a large sum off demand, which then shaves price and lessens dependency on despots.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  quattroluvr
In Europe there will have to be a good part of nuclear and they are slowly coming around to the idea.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
China Is Beginning to Pay The Price For Xi Jinping’s Soviet-Style Leadership
10/22/22
China isn’t returning to a Soviet-style economy. But President Xi Jinping is engaged in a zero-sum game, similar to Soviet leaders.
That’s according to Juscelino Colares, an international law and business professor at Case Western Reserve University.
“For long, Xi’s zero-sum instincts and his entourage, no different than that of Communist leaders from the Soviet era, were successful in navigating the Western liberal rules-based system of trade and international institutions,” he told International Business Times in an email. “Recent events (e.g., the opaqueness regarding the pandemic’s origins, the war in Ukraine, and China’s non-commitment to greenhouse commitments) and repeated threats to Taiwan appear to have spooked even the most dovish U.S. administration in recent memory.”
Moreover, Professor Colares thinks Xi Jinping’s Soviet-style leadership has not helped China overcome the middle-income trap. In this situation, an emerging market economy slows down, failing to transition to a high-income and become a developed economy.
The reasons behind this situation are rising labor costs and declining competitiveness due to the depletion of the excess labor trapped in agriculture. They push wages higher, eroding the country’s advantage in labor-intensive industries. For instance, China’s labor costs of $6.50 are more than double those of Vietnam, making it harder for its manufacturers to compete effectively in global markets.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Ticker “VNM” has been on my radar for a decade.
I suspect now’s a good time to buy in this dip, there are several emerging Asian economies on my radar, but China’s big GDP days are numbered, labor is now cheaper elsewhere.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
China is experiencing a historical moment in the sun courtesy of factors beyond their control.
The powers of the future will be countries like Malaysia, Argentina, Poland, Turkey, and Mexico.
Need to follow capability, geographical location, and demographics.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack
The advent of the internet and microelectronics (cell phones) makes it impossible to know which cultures can arise above totalitarian governance, which would be the primary obstacle of progress.
Iran’s a great example, in progress.
Watched a show last year where the host went on expedition to investigate a supposedly secluded tribe in south America, he arrived and several of them had smart phones with internet….half-nude wearing tribal head gear.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Affordable high-speed internet by satellite accessible all over the world is going to change everything.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
I had to laugh when I saw this: “…the most dovish U.S. administration in recent memory.” Most incompetent, YES!
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Bad Policy Everywhere
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
“US policy towards China is also mistaken in our view. It is based on the futile attempt to stop China from getting access to the latest generation of semiconductors, and catching up with US defence technologies. It is naive to think that we can keep any technology private for any length of time, and secure our leading position through export restrictions. The Chinese will find a way. They always have.”
No reason we have to make it easier for them though.
Esclaro
Esclaro
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
We need to adopt the position that we are at war with China. We should embargo anything from China. If other nations want to be their vassals fine.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
…and freeze ALL their fckn assets ! After all WE are the world’s exceptional, fantasy democracy , nation , are we not ? ….you should ve added …You probably don t know WHY you should interfere with other countries policy but it is YOUR godgiven right innit ?
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
The Fed is fighting inflation, but TY is showing signs of weakness. There might be chips glut, but there will be no oil glut, perhaps in China but not in Europe and US. In the seventies we lost ARAMCO, for free, but there was an oil glut and petrodollar. This year we lost our Russians assets, for free, in the #2 oil market and there is a strong Anti dollar trend coming from China & Russia. TY support line was breached for the first time since Jan 2000. // if TY plunge China might depose us.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
What is TY?
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack
Treasury yields?
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Germany’s only problem is being a vasal state of the Empire of Lies and member of a clueless EU circus willing to harm its own economic interests probably depending too much on the so called , debt supported, reserve currency which the Empire of Lies exploits big time, menacing to close the $ counter and confiscating assets when it suits the Empire’s criminal policy ….Say it ain t so
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Germany didn’t see itself as a vassal of Russia although Russia for some strange reason thought that it could tell Germany what to do but in the end Germany told Russia where they can put its oil and gas and Russia is left standing there holding its dick and wondering what happened.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
….and destroying its industry in the process…..Wow Doug …’dick’ ? I think you are becoming too much of a foul mouthed fella , must be the times that are a changing ….
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
It is an accurate description of Russia today.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Russia has simply shown to the world that it is a paper state and will not exist in it current form within 10 years.
A low point in Russian history occurred last month when Putin had to cow-tow to Xi in Uzbekistan last month and received nothing in return.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack
Drinking West MSM too much!!!
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Hey Brussels or JRM or whatever name you are using today
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
If you prefer I could say that Russia is in a vertical stature while enveloping its sexual organ with its digits
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Cant believe me fckn eyes ….is that really you ….make sure yer lady nor the rest of yer family reads this gutter language !
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Short term tactics or a long term strategy? There is no way of knowing from media reports.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Germany single-handedly almost destroyed Russia in the last two world wars. Third time’s a charm?
Augustthegreat
Augustthegreat
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Do you live in a fantasy land?
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Augustthegreat
You apparently live in alternative facts land.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
“Olaf Scholz has learned nothing from the Nord Stream 2 disaster,”
There are only two tings to learn from the Nordstream 2 “disaster”:
1) Trade freely and quit having braindead opinions about others.
And 2) Big, critical infrastructure projects need to be built where they can be defended.
All the rest is just about the disaster of letting silly political posturing and grandstanding get in the way of mutually beneficial free trade.
Similarly “The problem with western foreign policy”, is that it exists. Self promoting hacks running around having opinions about what others, Americans as well as foreigners, should and should not “be allowed” to do; is never, ever, in any universe; anything other than, not only a- but in fact the-, problem.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
I dunno, maybe add a 3rd – Don’t depend on trading necessary resources with unstable despots.
I hate that feeling, wondering what percent of the gasoline I just bought has been diverted to funding terrorism, murders, or funding a military invasion that results in rape/torture/killing of unarmed civilians.
Inside America, we boycott companies for far, far less.
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StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Every gallon of gas you bought; were then (I assume….) NOT used for the purpose of murdering people. While conversely, a fraction of every gallon you did not buy, was used for such purposes…..
A valuable resource will not be left in ground. Any drop of reduced demand from “good” guys, only serve to lower aggregate demand, hence prices. Hence making more of it available for the guerillas of the world.
While necessarily true; the above may not be all that practically significant.
But what is significant: Is that the kind of concentrated power required to have anything resembling an effective veto on who gets to buy what from whom, is necessarily already so out-of-control oversized; that it itself will long since have become far and away the greatest terror and evil of them all.
Wasting limited time and brainwaves on something so trivially silly as speculating about exactly where each and every droplet and component of everything you buy, happen to originally hail from; serves only one purpose: Taking away time and energy you could otherwise deploy to discern between competent, efficient producers of a good; and those less so.
IOW; instead of having to do the hard work of beating their competitors; the lowbrows of the world who babble about “my competitor is a bad guy” instead gets to simply deploy lobbyists feeding childish media stories aimed at shaping the indoctrinatis mis- (always mis-) understanding about which supposed “origins” are supposed to be good, goood, good (always the ones they benefit from…); and which ones are baad, baad, baaad (always the ones belonging to more competent; hence lower cost, higher quality suppliers which would otherwise outcompete them…)
Quagmire46
Quagmire46
3 years ago
Just because US policy on China will fail does not mean that the policy will in any way be modified or changed. Bank on it.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Fareed Zacharia did a short piece on Xi this morning.
If we look at raw data, resources, population and pure buying power, yes, China looks good, on paper.
Not so fast though, Xi is old school Communist trying to incorporate that mentality into a real competitive Capitalist environment.
Fareed mentioned that XI is giving preferential loans and regulations to state owned companies, in turn suppressing innovation and disincentivizes competition.
Xi is micromanaging China’s capitalist environment, making the basic Communist mistake that completely ignores the benefit of true free market capitalist Darwinism.
You cannot effectively compete in a Capitalist market using Communist rules, same applies to Fascist Oligarchies.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
….Sure pa…oh it s Markra now ….
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
I don’t know what you’re talking about, neither do you, Moscow citizen.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
sure Zardoz
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Hello, I sell you potato. You eat potato good taste.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
I completely agree with that analysis. And I have mentioned the same thing before. Xi has stifled creativity and entrepreneurship by cracking down on the very successful tech giants that were leading a revolution in China. As soon as these tech billionaires opened their mouths to criticize the Chinese govt, it was over. Now, all the bright young folks who had ideas of following Jack Ma and others into tech are looking elsewhere. The Chinese tech revolution is done. And when Biden put sanctions on chip tech going to China, that was another blow that will keep this sector mired in quicksand for some time. Xi is more concerned about keeping control, and a vibrant tech sector that creates billionaires who might criticize him no longer stands a chance of growing the way it used to.
Esclaro
Esclaro
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Whenever China is given a choice, they have chosen the wrong path. Instead of making Hong Kong like the rest of China, they should have made the rest of China like Hong Kong! A nation run by a senile old man cannot succeed in the modern age.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Yep. But once people gain power, they don’t like to give it up or share it. That takes precedence over doing what is best for the country. Happens everywhere. China. Russia. Even in the USA.
As always, I can’t change the way things work. Just recognize how things work. And then try to invest accordingly.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
“Instead of making Hong Kong like the rest of China, they should have made the rest of China like Hong Kong!”
Let ’em, it’s our gain.
China has a long history of failed attempts at global competitiveness and capitalism, this time was their best result, and XI is reversing it.
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MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Your coo-coo for coa-coa puffs buddy is having an identity crisis about us, and Zardoz, PapaDave.
That said, Xi doesn’t seem to realize favoring government/state owned entities completely annihilates private competition, also encourages state owned worker stagnance & complacency…Chip designers become municipal workers instead of driven pioneers.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Which buddy is that? I have hit the ignore button on so many idiots here that I probably miss out on 1/3 or 1/2 the comments. And I certainly can’t be bothered to sign out of my account to see what the idiots are saying. This site is so much better because you can block the crazies.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Brussels, the village idiot here, even the most politically adverse commenters here sometimes have decent insights, not him.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Brussels. He’s still here? I’m surprised he hasn’t been banned for all his anti-American, drunken profanity. I certainly don’t miss reading his Putin loving garbage. Why don’t you just hit Ignore on him?
Augustthegreat
Augustthegreat
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Since when has Fareed become a China expert?
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Augustthegreat
he is the same war monger that said trump was finally a great president when he dropped the mother of all bombs…………….fareed is to be feared. he’s MIC
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
“The US has too many conflicting goals,”
Name a large country that doesn’t.
“Germany is too beholden to exports.”
They made a lot of money by exporting for a few decades now so it was a winning strategy. I would expect that they will want to continue by adapting to the new energy reality. Can anyone blame them?
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“The US has too many conflicting goals,”
Name a large country that doesn’t.
Three, Russia, N Korea and China, they will falter in varying degrees for this reason over the long haul.
Democratic countries have their pitfalls over party conflicts, but at the end those conflicts keep those parties in check, totalitarianism inevitably fails, dictators are human – one man, or minority, making the critical decisions.
“You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing after they have tried everything else.” – Churchill
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
You are right in that democracies conflict is the norm and it is through conflict and elections that resolution of problems occurs.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Let’s describe an imaginary Biden agenda so far.
1. Pull out of Afghanistan in the middle of the night.
2. Declare both Russia and China as geopolitical adversaries and work to box them in (The rest of the world already assumed under the boot).
3. Trade war with China, fully sanction Russia.
4. Shame both for not jetting a 300-member delegation to climate conference.
5. Declare climate change goals and ask your adversaries to cooperate.
6. Sun Tzu: WTF?
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
We got Bin Ladin, decimated Al Qaeda, we should have left long ago…. our only need now is intelligence to gauge future threats.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
What are you doing in Europe’s corrupt basket case Ukraine ? Defending democracy ?? Hahahahahahhaha ! Hey get your fat asses out of our backyard , criminal hegemonic idiots , take care of YOUR 50 million and ticking poverty stricken people and face the fact that the world is NO LONGER yours !!
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
If I put a dollar’s worth of ruble’s in your cup, will you stop talking and promise not to use it on booze?
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
I want potatoes to prepare pierogi ruskie….. but you already knew that, didn t you Zardoz, realist, Papadave , Jack ….
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Putin and his team sold you a fairy tale and you being gullible swallowed it entirely.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
We were quite happy with Putin UNTIL the fckn US of A decided to mess up our beneficial situation because Russia -EU was far too strong a bond for your fckn warmonging hegemonic criminals to cope with …..AND if you don t back down soon on your deranged policy YOU (your fckn Deep Staters rather ) will be responsible for the destruction of the planet ….Y O U !
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
You mean you are not longer happy with Putin? That I can understand.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
….I DO like Putin ….not ONE of our so called ‘democratic’ utterly clueless, deluded fckn idiots comes close to him !! NONE !
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
Then like him all the way to the firing squad.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I wouldn t mind ….dying with honour it would be called … dying is our destiny anyway , having a ideological conviction definitely makes it more bearable ….. and before you say so, Russian and even Ukrainian cannon fodder probably won t agree …. BUT, once again, the US and only the US is to blame for the current situation !
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
You don’t seem to be on the front so you dying “with honor” is an empty phrase while you sit nice and warm in Moscow.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Well, there is the increased difficulties with the major source of US opium to consider.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Those poppy seeds are for baked goods, let’s get that straight.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
In the lame duck period between Carter & Reagan, in Dec 1979, Paul Volcker raised the EFFR to 21%, before new oil fields from Alaska, the Gulf of Mexico, the N. Sea and Russia created an oil glut. Today there is no oil & natgas glut. Europe and US might be facing cold winter, R/R strike and diesel spike.
TY, US 10y futures monthly, plunged from 130 to 108 between Oct 2021 and Oct 2022, down 16%, the steepest drop since 1788, 230 years ago.
But there is still hope : a line coming from Oct 1987 low and Jan 2000 low stopped the plunge, at least for now. The bond markets and the blue
zone casino are safe.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Climate Change. Though the New York Times headlines proclaimed rising sea levels would put New York under water by 2012, and they insist still that they are rising, the Florida Keys are still just 3 feet above sea level as they have been since their existence. Though they now suck as all the billionaires have bought it up and built it up. Silly billionaires.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
“Though the New York Times headlines proclaimed rising sea levels would put New York under water by 2012”
NYC was under water in 2012.
Quagmire46
Quagmire46
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
I wonder if the Florida Keys will be under water due to rising sea levels or will sink due to the weight of over development?
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Quagmire46
Yeah, the entire state of Florida is just one giant sinkhole. Eventually, the whole shebang will go back to the bottom of the sea. Keys were awesome some 50 years ago, but I wouldn’t go there now for anything. Let it sink how it may!
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Florida is not a giant sinkhole nor will the Keys go back to the bottom of the sea. Nor when the Big One hits California will it tip into the sea like we see in the movies.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Florida is mostly limestone. It’s constantly collapsing. In fact, every time you see a hill in Florida, it’s really you looking up from an ancient sinkhole. The keys will eventually wind up back below the waves. And I don’t care about California and your ignorant comparison. Maybe you should take a course in geology, cuz you sure don’t know much about it now.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
But I do have knowledge of geology. Limestone dissolves but it takes a long time and coral grows towards the surface which is why coral atolls still exist. We moved there in 1969 and my parents are still there. I know Florida like the back of my hand. There are many more people but it is still good. You can get nostalgic about how it used to be but I remember oily and trash-filled beaches back then. It has been cleaned up really well since. I love Florida now and how it was. The world changes but some places just get better.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
take some geology classes and find out where seas used to be on planet. over millions of years
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
I see no reason to ask China for cooperation on climate change and the energy transition that the world is attempting. China already leads the world in developing renewables and nuclear out of self-interest and security reasons.
They do not want to be dependent on foreign energy supplies. And they are building renewable energy and nuclear as fast as they can.
But like most countries, their energy demand is growing faster than they can build out renewables and nuclear. As a result, they are still building coal, oil and gas generation to meet current needs.
In addition their hydro electric renewable facilities are currently suffering from drought and low water levels, resulting in reduced generation. Much like many other countries, including the US.
On the good news side, China is entering a period of population decline, and much slower economic growth, which will reduce the rate of energy demand growth. So it is estimated that their build out of renewables and nuclear will begin to exceed energy demand growth in 2 or 3 years. At that point they can begin to decommission some of their coal generation. Still, it will be a multi-decade transition before coal is no longer used. Their oil demand should begin to drop by around 2030 or so.
One thing about China, is that they don’t have to worry about elections very often, and can focus on getting things done without much opposition. I am not saying I would want to live there. And I am not praising their autocracy. I’m just saying they will end up transitioning away from fossil fuels before we will. But it is still a multi decade process.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Not having to worry about elections means that you can lock down the country as long as you want for reasons that escape everyone but the Leader. It’s a great way to keep to a consistent policy that makes no sense.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Since 2020 it became obvious that the US of A doesn t ‘have to worry about elections’ either….
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
On the outside looking in, it seems XI is pulling a “Trump”, using his personal discretion rather than professional advisers.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
I wouldn’t say that. Too many differences.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
They’re politically opposite extremes, but both make the same mistakes based on dated philosophies.
Xi is trying to control Capitalist Darwinism by picking winners and it’s backfiring, Capitalism has to be free for all to participate, China’s made huge strides there, until now.
Trump attempted to control the media (“fake news”) and vote outcomes (“I need you to find 11,780 votes”, “Dominion machines are rigged”), it backfired.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
The Democrat strategy and tactics backfired in my book and we will see the results in the midterms.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
“I see no reason to ask China for cooperation on climate change and the energy transition that the world is attempting. China already leads the world in developing renewables and nuclear out of self-interest and security reasons.”
I laugh every time I hear oil shills say clean energy is a disadvantage. (And, smoking was healthy, according to tobacco lobbyists)
Cheaper energy is a competitive advantage, China has doubled it’s % of renewable energy in the last ten years, but so have we, the race is on, they have approximately 5% more than we do.
EV’ sale have exploded over the past five years, most of them are sold in China….that is now obviously a huge disadvantage for us.
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PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Its a race to see who can become more energy competitive and self-sufficient. But its a 2 or 3 decade marathon, not a sprint. At the end of the race, everyone who completes it is a winner. And hopefully, we will begin to reverse some of the global warming we have all caused. Though that is a multi-generational, multi-century journey.
hmk
hmk
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
It will be interesting to see if they can navigate political and economic policy correctly in the long run. As a rule a centrally planned economy has not worked out. It goes back to the saying the best form of government is a benevolent dictatorship but that has never happened because power corrupts.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  hmk
I suspect that China will do well in renewables and nuclear. Because they already have the technical know how in those areas and just need to devote the resources to build it out.
The high tech area and semiconductor space is something different. I believe that they will struggle in this area for reasons I mention elsewhere in this comment section.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Yep building 350 Coal Power plants, shows GREEN is WORKING!!!
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Yep. To repeat what I said above:
I see no reason to ask China for cooperation on climate change and the energy transition that the world is attempting. China already leads the world in developing renewables and nuclear out of self-interest and security reasons.
They do not want to be dependent on foreign energy supplies. And they are building renewable energy and nuclear as fast as they can.
But like most countries, their energy demand is growing faster than they can build out renewables and nuclear. As a result, they are still building coal, oil and gas generation to meet current needs.
In addition their hydro electric renewable facilities are currently suffering from drought and low water levels, resulting in reduced generation. Much like many other countries, including the US.
On the good news side, China is entering a period of population decline, and much slower economic growth, which will reduce the rate of energy demand growth. So it is estimated that their build out of renewables and nuclear will begin to exceed energy demand growth in 2 or 3 years. At that point they can begin to decommission some of their coal generation. Still, it will be a multi-decade transition before coal is no longer used. Their oil demand should begin to drop by around 2030 or so.
One thing about China, is that they don’t have to worry about elections very often, and can focus on getting things done without much opposition. I am not saying I would want to live there. And I am not praising their autocracy. I’m just saying they will end up transitioning away from fossil fuels before we will. But it is still a multi decade process.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Lol! I guess you didn’t read my first comment above.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  hmk
“As a rule a centrally planned economy has not worked out.”
DARPA, for example, allocates funds to private entities based on success, there’s no denying their track record.
Xi, instead, is prioritizing state owned enterprise regardless, the result is complacent state owned research and discouraged private researchers.
Imagine owning a tech research business there having to invest terrifying amounts of time/money for development, knowing you’re in competition with state owned & funded entities…perhaps worried that any breakthrough could be covered up and taken from you anyway.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
darpa model huge success.

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