What’s Good for GM is No Longer Good for America

China’s BYD “Build Your Dream” EV sales, image from Tweet below

China’s EV Juggernaut Is a Warning for the West

Wall Street Journal writer Greg Ip warns China’s EV Juggernaut Is a Warning for the West

China rocked the auto world twice this year. First, its electric vehicles stunned Western rivals at the Shanghai auto show with their quality, features and price. Then came reports that in the first quarter of 2023 it dethroned Japan as the world’s largest auto exporter.

When Western auto executives flew in for April’s Shanghai auto show, “they saw a sea of green plates, a sea of Chinese brands,” said Le, referring to the green license plates assigned to clean-energy vehicles in China. “They hear the sounds of the door closing, sit inside and look at the quality of the materials, the fabric or the plastic on the console, that’s the other holy s— moment—they’ve caught up to us.”

Manufacturers of gasoline cars are product-oriented, whereas EV manufacturers, like tech companies, are user-oriented, Le said. Chinese EVs feature at least two, often three, display screens, one suitable for watching movies from the back seat, multiple lidars (laser-based sensors) for driver assistance, and even a microphone for karaoke (quickly copied by Tesla). Meanwhile, Chinese suppliers such as CATL have gone from laggard to leader.

The threat to Western auto market share posed by Chinese EVs is one for which Western policy makers have no obvious answer. “You can shut off your own market and to a certain extent that will shield production for your domestic needs,” said Sebastian. “The question really is, what are you going to do for the global south, countries that are still very happily trading with China?” 

Meet the World’s Largest Car Exporter

Eurointelligellence founder Wolfgang Münchau comments on IP’s article with his synopsis in Meet the World’s Largest Car Exporter

This is a watershed moment for industry. China has surpassed Japan and Germany to become the world’s largest exporter of cars. But as Greg Ip writes in the Wall Street Journal, what really shocked China’s western competitors is not the sales numbers, but the sheer quality of Chinese cars. 

Chinese EVs have entertainment systems inside the car, even microphones for karaoke, and several screens. It is the highest-end digital device, with wheels on it. The Europeans are absolutely hopeless at digital consumer products. They are up against something they don’t understand. 

The very likely response, in Europe at least, will be to protect domestic car makers through tariffs. Ultimately, the prices will fall, and this is when the crunch for the European car industry will happen.

Tesla was the first car company to change its reliance on neodymium iron boron, a rare earth magnet, whose exports China is now starting to restrict. This is also why we think the industrial policy, promoted by Jake Sullivan, the US national security adviser, is confused. It commingles legitimate concerns over national security and supply chain security with pork-barrel industrial interests. We are heading back to the old adage of what’s good for GM is good for America. Except that this is no longer true.

Construction Spending

Numerous people have commented on Twitter about a surge in US manufacturing construction. 

Chips, IRA

Everything Fine? 

A Bit of Perspective

What’s Going On?

Subsidies are driving up industrial construction. None of these subsidies will lower inflation.

Indeed, the hasty and unwarranted push for EVs, all of which needs to happen in the USD is guaranteed to increase inflation.

If the Chinese government says “your next car will be an EV”, then your next car will be an EV. It’s not so simple in the US where neither the infrastructure nor the materials are in place.

China has a monopoly or near monopoly on needed rare earth elements. In the US, there are pushbacks from Greens on mines and pushbacks from Republicans on the clean energy idea itself. 

China generates 56% of its is electricity need from coal and is still building more coal-fire plants. What’s the US going to do? 

Destroying the Desert Releases Stored Carbon

Please note that Biden’s Solar Push Is Destroying the Desert and Releasing Stored Carbon

Meanwhile, any benefit from the massive push to EVs is totally undermined by Wildfires in Canada and the US.

If carbon dioxide suppression is the goal, better forest management would do much more than anything gained from EVs.

Subsidies may be good for GM, but subsidies without supply chain improvements, infrastructure, fast chargers, and genuine consumer demand will do little but create bottlenecks, frustration, and more inflation.

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Bhakta
Bhakta
10 months ago
Hi Mish. i live in Thailand for the past 39 years. China is of course a neighbor. Chinese immigrants came to Thailand and took over the world of business here long ago. Thailand has been an exporter of motor vehicles for a long time. But, right not I am seeing more Chinese made EVs on the roads every day, The cars are really good looking, and the must be priced right to attract the Thai customer. Most are BYD, but there are others too. So far, I have seen only one Tesla. I talked to the owner and he told me the cost was over $100,000.

Personally, I have no interest in the EVs. I bought a new Toyota 4 wheel drive double cab pick-up last year, and believe it is the last vehicle I will ever own. I am 74, and how many more years i will be driving is in God’s hands.

Evs
mike7
mike7
10 months ago
Everyone makes great arguments- Rechargeable lawnmowers have been on the market for longer than EVs and most people have relatively small yards, but less than 40% of the people own them. Less than 6% of the US market owns an EV. It seems to me that if they can bring an EV’s to the market for less than $17,000 and have at least 150 miles of travel with quick recharge time Americans might buy them. Currently, the Chinese government is pushing consumers to buy them, but in a truly free market, the product drives the market. By the way, I’ve had a rechargeable lawnmower for over 10 years and I would never go back to gas, but to get me in an EV the price has to be lower and charge time will need to improve.
RonJ
RonJ
10 months ago
“What’s Good for GM is No Longer Good for America”
Where is Lee Iacocca and his EV K car, when you need him?
MrGrumpy
MrGrumpy
10 months ago
BYD autos burst into flame frequently. The CCP does not want the public to know this. See the video.
KidHorn
KidHorn
10 months ago
Reply to  MrGrumpy
EVs catch fire at a far lower rate than ICE cars.
Doug78
Doug78
10 months ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Apparently hybrids catch fire more than ICE and EV combined on a per car basis. They suffer from the drawbacks of both systems when it comes to fires. EVs have powerful sparks and ICEs have lots of gas. Together they go boom.
KidHorn
KidHorn
10 months ago
Reply to  Doug78
Hybrids are a really stupid idea. Not only do you have all the problems mentioned. Most never charge them. So people are essentially driving a much heavier gas car. And if you do charge them, you’re driving a heavy EV.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
10 months ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Pure EV are a stupid idea. You can’t drive them as far as you need to without a lot of rest stops and they take too long to charge up. A battery-heavy EV T-boning a lightweight ICE will probably kill everyone. Then again the hybrid’s E assist saves gas starting from a dead stop and the regenerative braking puts juice back in the batteries. Hybrid also keeps your toes toasty in the northern winters. Left-wing city dwellers pay no heed.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
10 months ago
Reply to  KidHorn
At the moment the bigger problem for EV’s is that after even minor accidents they are being written off because any damage to the battery means insurance companies must write it off because it’s not repairable and it’s a huge liability if it subsequently bursts into flames. That’s the next problem that has to be solved (along with excessive tire wear because the vehicles are so heavy).
KidHorn
KidHorn
10 months ago
There’s a lot of anti EV propaganda in the US. Mostly coming from the oil and gas industry. Their business will be wiped out once over 90% of new cars are EV. And like it or not, it’s going to happen. Probably a lot sooner than most think. And not because it’s green. Because the vehicles will cost less to produce, will cost less to own and operate, and have better performance. Tesla and BYD have proven this to be true.
Tesla makes the best cars in the world, they don’t cost a lot, and they have the biggest profit margin per vehicle among all major manufacturers. Not only that, their self driving is way ahead of everyone else and they’ll own all the charging stations. They can buy electricity overnight when rates are low, charge batteries, and then sell it back during the day for a higher price. They can also use their solar panels to get free electricity. They’ll likely license their self driving to Ford and GM like Ford and GM are going to switch to their charging stations. No company is positioned to dominate the future of automobiles like they are. At least in North America.
There’s no shortage of rare earth metals needed for EVs. Total propaganda. The grid will not be overwhelmed. EV sales are growing quickly and there’s no evidence of any strain on the grid. Most can charge overnight when rates are lower and the load on the grid is lower. Many will put solar panels on their homes. With federal and state rebates, they typically pay for themselves in about 9 years. And the payback period will get shorter every year as prices continue to drop.
Long term, Japan is dead. There will be fewer European automakers. I think Ford and GM will eventually be bought by Tesla. Most car companies are going to lose sales to china and will have no way of servicing their current debts.
The car makers can see this. It’s clear as day to them. And they can’t make competitive EVs. They’re screwed.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
10 months ago
Reply to  KidHorn
“They can buy electricity overnight when rates are low, charge batteries,”
Buy solar power at night when the rates are low? That will be a trick. The wind also stops just after sundown.
There are plenty of rare earths, you are correct about that. The problem there is anti-mining environmentalists who want to preserve high quality vacations for themselves and other members of the urban elite.
KidHorn
KidHorn
10 months ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
Where did I write they would buy solar power at night?
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
10 months ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Tesla cars DO cost a lot. At least for the average consumer in the US. It’s still selling in the luxury car segment.
Now if they can get a sub 20K car that changes things for sure. But China’s EVs will probably get there first and unless there are tariffs that prevent them from selling cheaply they may dominate in the US market.
Tesla’s single most important thing remains their charging network. Ford already signed an agreement to be able to use it. I read GM is doing so too. That means their charging network and more importantly, their charger will become the defacto standard which gives them a monopoly even if their cars ultimately get passed by others.
KidHorn
KidHorn
10 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
It’s true they cost more to insure. Mainly because of what you wrote. I think it’s because the battery packs are a structural part of the car, so if they get damaged, they have to be replaced. I have tesla insurance, which costs less than my minivan cost to insure. They monitor my driving and set rates every month based on my driving habits. I think I’m paying around $50/month. Plus it encourages me to drive safer. I think part of the reason it’s cheaper is if I need a repair, they’ll do it. No markup from a mechanic.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
10 months ago
Reply to  KidHorn
50 a month? So 600 a year? I dream of insurance like yours. In Florida mine is closer to 150 a month and I’ve never had an accident, DUI in my life and my last ticket was over 10 years ago.
Now, I have good coverage (300K liability, collision, replacement value up to 100K on mine and other car etc) which explains a lot of it. So I could probably get it down to 100 a month if I dropped some coverage but I doubt I could get it under 100.
KidHorn
KidHorn
10 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
You can buy a model 3 for around 37k. And then you get a 7.5k credit. The average new car price is around 48k.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
10 months ago
Reply to  KidHorn
New car prices vastly inflated from Covid. Was 32K prior when companies had supplies to make all their vehicles. Now they only make the most expensive models to maximize profits.
Whomever is paying 48K (I read it was 43K) for an entry level car is nuts. That’s more than the median income (32K) so its clear consumers won’t be able to buy 48K cars going forward. It will only be the high earners that will be able to buy new vehicles. Entry level cars need to get back to the 20K range.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
10 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Sub-$20K.
With rubber floor mats and crank-up windows.
And just a simple radio/CD player.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
10 months ago
Reply to  KidHorn
“There’s no shortage of rare earth metals needed for EVs. Total propaganda. The grid will not be overwhelmed.”
Interesting rebuttal to the above starting specifically at around the 15 minute mark of this youtube video.
Peak Oil Chat: Simon Michaux, EU panel pt1 – YouTube
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
10 months ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
“”There’s no shortage of rare earth metals needed for EVs. Total propaganda. The grid will not be overwhelmed.””
A much different perspective can be found from the following research report. On page 362 it refers to increased US requirements.
There Are Bottlenecks in Raw Materials Supply Chain – A Glimpse of the Systemic Overview Is Here, Discussion and the Development of the Solutions Have Started | GTK
KidHorn
KidHorn
10 months ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Which cars have production holdups due to insufficient supplies of rare earths?
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
10 months ago
Reply to  KidHorn
“Which cars have production holdups due to insufficient supplies of rare earths?”
If you looked at the links provided, you will notice that it does not focus on which cars have production holdups but rather the insufficient supplies of rare earths.
Further links to insufficient supplies of rare earths.
Column: When science gets mugged for the media – a case study | BOE Report

“The International Energy Agency, an organization that has shed much credibility on the altar of political correctness, last year issued on just how short the world is of critical minerals (from the report: “a concerted effort to reach the goals of the Paris Agreement (climate stabilization at “well below 2°C global temperature rise”) would mean a quadrupling of mineral requirements for clean energy technologies by 2040. An even faster transition, to hit net-zero globally by 2050, would require six times more mineral inputs in 2040 than today.”). [Emphasis theirs]

Another more credible group came to an even starker conclusion – the Geological Survey of Finland concluded that there of critical minerals and metals in the world to enable the transition that is deemed to be inevitable.”

Executive summary – The Role of Critical Minerals in Clean Energy Transitions – Analysis – IEA
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
10 months ago
Reply to  KidHorn
The electric ones with 3 or 4 wheels.
rogoclub1
rogoclub1
10 months ago
Mish,
EV is all CHINA!..
TSLA is 80% owned by CHINA, GM major stake holder is also CHINA!😆
Nothing to see here business as usual both DEMs & REPs😉 in bed with CHINA!..
Your readers always the one taking it in the ASSets!..😗
We need leaders not Pedo Swallowers!..
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
10 months ago
When it is determined that GM is no longer a net positive investment then the government will cut it free and let it collapse. People think the government saves banks and corporations because of some desire to keep the elite alive, etc. That is not the case at all. When the utility of a thing runs out, so will support. Liberals always end up eating their own.
dtj
dtj
10 months ago
Speaking of subsidies for GM…
Last year GM had several midwest cities bidding against each other with tax incentives to get GM to build a battery factory there. The “winner” was somewhere in Indiana.
These relocation incentives should be outlawed. Apparently everyone’s forgotten what Pfizer did to New London, CT.
Pfizer got all sorts of incentives but packed up and left in less than 10 years, leaving a smoldering wreck in their wake and the damaging Supreme Court decision “Kelo vs. City of New London”.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
10 months ago
Reply to  dtj
Speaking of incentives don’t forget the wonderful Foxconn plants in Wisconsin and the one Motorola built in Harvard, IL.
Mike 2112
Mike 2112
10 months ago
EVs are not the future. At least not for quite some time. The infrastructure alone, especially in cities where ppl live in apt bldgs and park their cars on the street, will cost far more $$$ than these cities have.
Then there’s the electricity itself: we can barely keep the lights on now and we’re going to add millions of EVs to the draw on the grid? How much coal is India and China going to have to burn to go “green?”
Then there’s the rare earth minerals: How long will that supply last us?
Yes, oil will run out, so we need a replacement. My guess is the combination of nuclear and hydrogen fuel cells. The nukes make the power needed for creating the hydrogen supply which makes cars and trucks drive down the hwy.
Doug78
Doug78
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike 2112
If you can put parking meters on the street you can put individual charging as well. It could be part of the price for parking and slow charging for example. The electricity lines run under the street so after upgrading the wires you are good to go. The electricity grid will have to be expanded but that is not a problem. Stores and malls could even offer free parking and charging to get people to shop there. A mall not to far from does that already and I am in France. Battery technology is in it’s infancy like the internal combustion engines were around 1920. There is a long way to go. Same thing for electric motors. Rare earths are not rare and many are being replaced with more common materials. Charge time will drop and capacity will increase in the coming years. Hydrogen is interesting and may have a place in specialized needs but generally, in the end, one technology ends up dominating all the others until something even better appears.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
10 months ago
Reply to  Doug78
Problem with putting chargers on the street is that is less reputable neighborhoods you’ll simply have people walking up and unplugging the charger from your vehicle and plugging it into theirs so that you pay for their charging.
Also here in America, only a very small percentage of the grid is underground. A vast majority is still on poles.
Doug78
Doug78
10 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
People in good neighborhoods will unplug you also. Ok, let’s think this through. If each parking space has a meter/charger the charging cord is only long enough to put in the car parked there. Or if it’s unplugged before you give your ok and pay (by phone) it will stop working. If the neighborhood is really bad then you wouldn’t want to park there anyway because it won’t be there in the morning. In that case you might have to pay a monthly fee to the local mafia for “protection”.
Underground wiring is becoming more and more common and will eventually take over because it is better and cheaper in the long run. The problem with overhead electric cables would occur only in dense cities where you have to park on the street, don’t have a garage and generally these cities put a lot of money doing things like repairing sewers and laying fiber cable and so forth so laying an extra wire that can handle recharging EVs should not be too much extra cost. These cities also have large parking garages too that can be wired easily and many already are. The problem in the slums is something else.
KidHorn
KidHorn
10 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
With my Tesla, you can’t unplug it unless my phone is a few feet from the car. I assume other vehicles lock the charger in place too.
KidHorn
KidHorn
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike 2112
Hydrogen is dead. Don’t listen to the Japanese companies. Their sales are about to crater.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
10 months ago
In retrospect, the US “won” the cold war against the former USSR because the US outspent the USSR on military equipment. I’m getting the feeling the US/West has been baited into a “green race” that it will lose because green technology costs more than fossil fuel.
PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
So many issues here. Hard to know where to begin. Don’t have much time, so I will just pick one.
“If the Chinese government says “your next car will be an EV”, then your next car will be an EV. It’s not so simple in the US where neither the infrastructure nor the materials are in place.”
Based on your statement, there must be some advantage to government control of the economy. Because of government mandates, China is leading the world in renewable energy, EVs, infrastructure, electric rail, and rare earth materials; to name a few.
How will the US compete? Will the private sector be able to deal with all these issues on its own? Or will it need government to participate as well?
How does this all reconcile with the mantra that I read here so often: More Free Enterprise, Less Government.
Mish
Mish
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave
China policy has led to a property bubble they still do not know how to fix.
And I already commented on the key issue, there is no sound money anywhere. That has created a different set of problems in different areas.
And what about the coal china needs for these EVs?
I seriously think the only reason you are here is to nitpick over everything even in cases like this where I have previously answered the points you make.
Doug78
Doug78
10 months ago
Reply to  Mish
But, but the Chinese government is hyper-efficient and with long-term planning they can literally see the future decades in advance. They keep telling us that so it must be true.
PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Mish

Wow! That is an interesting and rather surprising way of looking at it Mish. My primary reason to come here is for the useful info that you provide and for some of the people who make useful comments here. Which is why I often compliment you for the excellent blog.

However, if thats the way you feel, I will stop commenting. But I will keep reading your blog. Thanks. And keep up the good work.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
10 months ago
Reply to  Mish
Mish, take it easy on Papa.
At least he didn’t go on and on about all the non-investing complainers.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
10 months ago
So when Western companies dominated the market, it’s business as usual, but when Chinese do so it’s a threat? Am I suffering from cognitive dissonance?
China even beat us in property bubbles, and that’s something to marvel.

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