Florida’s illegal immigration crackdown started on July 1. An exodus of workers is underway. A Florida produce packing company owner asks “How are we going to run the farms?”
Tweets of the Day on Food and Immigration
The new law requires makes it a third-degree felony to knowingly transport into Florida a person who is undocumented and illegally entered the U.S. Companies will be very reluctant top hire.
Construction Workers Headed for Indiana
“Outside one construction site, a worker said that he had lost about half his crew. They went to Indiana, he said, where jobs are paying $38 an hour instead of $25, and where they won’t have to look over their shoulders.“
Migrant Workers Flee Florida as New Immigration Law Takes Effect
The Wall Street Journal reports Migrant Workers Flee Florida as New Immigration Law Takes Effect
Florida’s agricultural and construction industries say they are experiencing a labor shortage because a new immigration law that took effect July 1 is leading migrant workers to leave the state.
The law, signed in May by Florida Gov. and GOP presidential candidate Ron DeSantis seeks to further criminalize undocumented immigration in the state. It makes it a third-degree felony for unauthorized people to knowingly use a false identification to obtain employment. Businesses that knowingly employ unauthorized workers could have their licenses suspended, and those with 25 or more employees that repeatedly fail to use the E-Verify system to check their immigration status can face daily fines.
In addition to increasing penalties on employers and workers, the new law requires hospitals that accept Medicaid to question a patient’s immigration status, and invalidates out-of-state driver’s licenses issued to people unauthorized to be in the U.S. It makes it a third-degree felony to knowingly transport into Florida a person who is undocumented and illegally entered the U.S. The law also adds $12 million to the amount of money the state has earmarked for its migrant-relocation program, bringing the total to $22 million this year.
“It’s kind of extreme that Florida passed a law like this,” said Daniela Barshel, an immigration lawyer based in Miami. “You don’t want to be fined by the government, and you also don’t want to be sued by someone because they were authorized to work and you didn’t hire them,” she said.
Mahendra Raolji, who runs Jalaram Produce, a large farming and packaging facility, said more than half his workers have gone. His wife and business partner, Prafula Raolji, worried about enforcement of the law. “I pray it won’t happen. Because then who is going to work?” she said.
What’s the Impact?
Florida’s immigration may impact food prices at the national level. The DeSantis crackdown will be a negative to Florida construction costs and perhaps a benefit elsewhere.
Everyone wants cheaper food prices, lower rent, and cheaper shelter costs. But many states do not want the illegal immigration. In Florida’s case, the DeSantis-sponsored bill will impact productive persons who are gainfully employed.
This is going to cause some big issues for Florida, and perhaps nationally.
Four Measures of Inflation
Chart Notes
- CPI: Consumer Price Index
- PCE: Personal Consumption Expenditures, the Fed’s preferred measure of inflation.
- Core excludes food and energy
The CPI only counts items directly paid by consumers. The PCE includes prices paid on behalf of consumers such as company health plans and Medicare. The former overweighs housing, the latter overweighs health care.
Core Inflation is Much Stickier Than the Fed Expected, Now What?
On June 19, I commented Core Inflation is Much Stickier Than the Fed Expected, Now What?
It’s now even stickier. CPI data comes up much sooner than PCE data. The above chart now shows May PCE. Core PCE only dropped from 4.7 percent to 4.6 percent.
The Fed has made policy error after policy error, creating a big class of winners (those who owned a home and refinanced near three percent), and a big class of losers (Zoomers and Millennials) looking to buy their first home. Importantly, The Starter Home Is No More, Even in Second Tier Markets
Meanwhile, the stock market bubble continues on in an extremely unbalanced economy.
The problem with this analysis is it fails to take into account all the externalities. How much of the increase in local taxes and medical costs and many other social ills are caused by illegal immigrants? I’d rather pay more for my oranges and have reasonable healthcare costs.
The examples cited are reasons why I support an immigration amnesty for those who are already here. Immigrants were previously lured here through an unholy alliance of Republicans that wanted cheaper labor and Democrats that felt it would help them with Latino voters in elections. The burden of the law fell on the illegal immigrant and nothing fell on the employer. The fact that eVerify is not required in this age of ubiquitous smart phones is an example of this.
So what to do? 1) Have an immigration policy which allows immigration for people with desired skills. 2) Require employers to use eVerify and have substantial fines for those who routinely hire illegal immigrants. 3) Implement effective border policy. 4) Have a path to permanent residency and/or citizenship for those who can maintain productive employment for multiple years. 5) Deport those who cannot support themselves or their families (with a six to twelve month grace period).
We already tried amnesty in 1986 when there were only 3 million illegals. It was unsuccessful because there were no sanctions on employers. Now we have over 12 million illegals suppressing wages for hard working Americans, and driving up costs for essential spending like housing and transportation. DeSantis is doing the right thing by coming after those who aid and abet.
Thank you for bringing up the 1986 issue. Democraps lied then, and they lie now. Sadly, the Republicans in Congress are mostly eunuchs.
Thank you for bringing up the 1986 issue. Democraps lied then, just as they lie now. The failure, btw, was not because employers did not use the verification system. I know employers who did, but the Federal database was useless, and created even more problems.
Sadly, the Republicans in Congress are mostly eunuchs. Illegal immigration will continue, the strain on US resources will grow, more immigrants will come to take advantage of social benefits. The end result, the deficit will eventually bring down the economy and living standard.
What about requiring TAXES to be paid on income to cover the cost of their kids’ education, health, food stanps,…?
Failure to use E-verify and accepting false IDs is already illegal.
Medical pricing is contrary to racketeering law.
There is not problem with new laws, but failure to apply existing statutes.
As with drug dealers, the people most willing to defy existing law have discovered that crime pays big time; the law abiding are the suckers.
Heavy immigration depresses wages no matter how you look at it and is well documented. Either you accept it to get up your population numbers or you don’t and see your population stagnate because the post-Boomer generations don’t really like having kids or rather do not want to sacrifice in order to do so.
Florida is a special case because it has heavy immigration from other states of people of all trades and professions. Making illegal immigration very illegal won’t hurt the economy much and maybe even enhance it as workers in Florida get higher wages.
They want kids… they can’t afford them, and are being responsible about it.
That’s the standard answer except that our parents were raised in tiny houses and where food took up 40% of a family’s income. Shoes and clothes had to last because they were expensive and you tell me you can’t afford them? Everyone I know had kids when they couldn’t afford to and were then motivated to work to be able to afford them. That is how it has always been. It takes balls to have kids because the little monsters will eat you alive but they are a lot of fun.
Except for the kids that repeatedly break your heart over and over until they’re in prison or dead. And then they still break your heart.
It is a lottery somewhat. You could also end up with a kid that become the richest person on Earth by building electric cars and rockets and who takes you everywhere he goes. And then there is the grandchildren that you can spoil and then give back to the parents to discipline.
“Heavy immigration depresses wages no matter how you look at it and is well documented.”
By that logic, states that have little to no immigration should have the highest wages…let me check
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_median_wage_and_mean_wage
Don’t get it, not adding up. California has the most immigrants and it has the highest median wage. Texas is also high on the median wage list and also gets lots of immigrants, so much so that it is sharing them with other states like New York which also has high wages.
Oops…another boomer opinion not based on fact or reality nor any links or data provided to back up claim.
How Millennial! As proof you give me a Wikipedia page probably pulled from your phone instead of some actual research and think you proved something. Try some in depth research if you are capable which I doubt. Perhaps look at studies comparing over a couple of centuries immigration rates vs wage growth or declines. Stuff like that are what you should be doing.
Show me the links Doug…show me anything but your unsubstantiated opinions. Just one link Doug. You are posting comments here so you must have an internet connection. Just one link as a rebuttal.
Show me where all your vast and deep research is located or is it all proprietary? Lol.
How about a book MPO? Try Peter Turchin’s “Ages of Discord” or “End Times”. He goes in detail about it with a historian’s rigor and statistical analysis.
Disney brought in H1B’s, had their IT people train them, then laid those IT people off, as they were more expensive payroll than the imports.
So you are saying that immigrants are superior workers because they are willing and able to do the same job for much less pay which means better corporate profits and more money for shareholders which is why states with the highest immigration rates also have the highest median wages. Eureka, you’re getting it.
Well now we know why no one actually does anything about immigration, even people who say they are going to build a wall 30 feet high and charge it to Mexico, because immigration it benefits everyone.
It’s simply supply and demand. Why do you think this doesn’t exist for labor markets? It’s not like there is anything near a shortage of labor in the technology space either, we see this with the tech sector layoffs.
Bottom line – who in America strives for these jobs. NO ONE! Enforce the new law and lets see how it plays out. Migrants are not stupid. They know where the jobs are and so are again on the move. Maybe it is us locals who are not so bright.
“NO ONE!”
If this is their only choice to avoid starvation, they will accept these jobs.
That will never be their only choice unless they are imprisoned.
You mean like they will have to surrender their passports?
When I was in high school I strived and landed one of those jobs.
What is happening in France might happen in NYC, LA and SF : The illegal,
dominated by the Mexican cartel, – not Antifa and BLM, – will riot and takeover.
It’s not a hardship for a business to use e-verify and follow the law. There are already laws against illegal immigration and against hiring illegal immigrants.
Which laws should businesses by able to disregard to keep costs down?
Overtime laws? Minimum wages? Child labor? Workers’ Comp requirements? Payroll taxes?
DeSantis seems quite skilled at shooting himself in the foot, and Florida in the head.
Scare away the workers in the agricultural industry (or ship them to Martha’s vineyard), and piss off Disney, central Florida’s biggest tax payer. And now Osceola and Orange counties may end up assuming a billion dollars worth of Reedy Creek Improvement District debt.
Ron DeSantis: fighting “woke” to the last drop of Floridians’ blood.
Disney had an extra-territoriality deal so sweet that it resembled Hong Kong when it was British. Then DiSantis came in and ended its freedom to do as they please. Now they will have to follow the same rules and laws as every other employer in Florida has to do.
If Disney had just minded it’s own business, which is entertainment.
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The next few years we will get to watch Florida sink like a rock in the midst of a labor crisis.
A state predominated by retiring baby boomers, Governor cuts off its nose to spite its face.
DeSantis for president!!
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What a strange character, that DeSantis… having the gall to think that a rule of law is paramount.
A Florida produce packing company owner asks “How are we going to run the farms?”
Robots and AI of course! Nothing to worry about.
This past weekend I went to a family gathering and spoke to someone who works for a big university. They confirmed the 2025 enrollment cliff I’ve been reading about and it’s already impacting California.
There simply aren’t enough high school kids for all the university slots which also means that there won’t be enough people to replace the millions of boomers that will retire by 2025 and beyond.
There won’t be enough engineers, doctors, nurses, pilots, construction workers, you name it, etc. Asia (Japan, Thailand, S. Korea) and most of Europe are desperate to attract skilled labor because they are all in the same demographic Titanic. It’s like these economies built a sub made out of carbon fiber and decided to plunge 13,000 feet into the abyss.
Things will start to get very interesting soon for everybody. I expect to see meat, dairy and fruit/veggies shortages and any other food product that is labor intensive to produce. Very long wait times at doctors offices, long lead times for flights, more pothole roads, more collapsing bridges and just an overall lower quality of life.
Throw in younger generations quiet quitting, doing the bare minimum, and choosing not to have kids and you have a recipe for dystopia deluxe but there will be plenty of profits to be made for the prudent investor and business person charging more, more and more!
And the next hurricane that barrels through Florida will need to wait weeks for power to be restored, months for houses to be repaired, and years for recovery.
“And the next hurricane that barrels through Florida will need to wait weeks for power to be restored, months for houses to be repaired, and years for recovery.”
This is already what happens for any Hurricane of Cat 3 or greater. Ft Meyers still hasn’t fully recovered yet from Ian and won’t for a while yet.
A Florida produce packing company owner asks “How are we going to run the farms?”
“Robots and AI of course! Nothing to worry about.”
Well, they are the next Big Thing, according to the current stock market mania. Considering how fast technology is changing, the reduction of available working age people may not be as much of a problem it currently seems to be.
Here are a list of buzzwords I’ve heard over the past few years and not much has come of it:
1. Quantum computing
2. Blockchain
3. Bitcoin & other digital currencies
4. Metaverse, Augmented Reality, Virtual Reality, Hololens, Google glasses, etc.
5. Hyperautomation, Robotic Process Automation (RPA)
6. ESG systems, Sustainability systems, etc.
7. Internet of Things – everything is supposed to be connected, yeah right.
There are more but I figure I’d stop here because these are buzzwords from the last few years, they go back for decades. All of the things above promised orders of magnitude in efficiency and cost savings and I’ve yet to see anything really scale. Most of the things listed are tinker toys but I can tell you the companies I’ve worked for have spent millions on this stuff only to see it flushed down the toilet.
I just read that Apple is scaling down manufacturing for their $3000 glasses. Duh.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-scaling-back-targets-on-vision-pro-headsets-report-d3a7c4d7
In most areas, companies need to do the basics right before getting value from these “next gen” technologies. Only if you get the basics right your people focus in any optimization tech.
They are the next big thing in agriculture. The machines coming to replace agricultural workers are just amazing when you see them work.
Yeah, but I caught two of them just talking to each other and not working.
You ran into the old models. The new models receive powerful electric shocks if caught talking. Singing while working is however encouraged.
In my area experienced trade workers are making six figures, meanwhile they’re seeing friends swamped in tuition debt.
All the while, every other OECD nation offers college, at this rate we’ll be manufacturing trinkets for China in a decade.
Why wait.
Get in on the trinket ground floor.
Mish,
I enjoy your writing on most things. But I have to call you out on your biased writing on bitcoin. You take great pleasure in writing very witty and lengthy posts when bitcoin is going down but we have not heard a peep from you over the last few months while bitcoin is nearly doubled and is the best performing asset on the planet this year and over the last 12 years. This omission and bias really calls to question your views and writing on all the other topics you write about. I am assuming you will only reply to this comment when bitcoin is having its next correction.
That is pitiful performance. If you want performance you should look at the Zimbabwean stock market that has gone up 800% this year.
Immigration is inflationary. It drives up asset prices, making housing unaffordable for the lowest wage earners. It lowers wages for those not working for government or some licensed occupation.
A new Reno Nevada sized city would have to be built every year just to accommodate immigrants, and another one to accommodate their offspring.
Uncontrolled immigration is an environmental and social disaster.
Of course progressives are content with them living 8 people to a one bedroom apartment and displacing those who become homeless.
“Immigration is inflationary. It drives up asset prices”
Could you provide a link to the source of this?
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Who needs a link when reality stares you in the face. Everyone of them lives somewhere creating more demand for housing and higher prices.
Total nonsense. You need to spend time on a few websites instead of right wing propaganda radio and tv:
1. AirDNA.com – This will give you views into how many homes have been purchased in any given city for short term rentals (AirBNB or VRBO).
2. AllTheRooms.com – This will give you different slices of rentals.
3. Reventure.app – will provide you with comprehensive demographics and real estate data with many filters.
There is shadow inventory of millions of homes bought by investment firms and wealthy people then there are millions of other homes bought by mom & pop investors that want to live the FIRE lifestyle.
And after you do your research, you can watch Joe & Nic’s roadtrip on youtube that will illustrate all the abandoned homes, business buildings in cities all across America. These areas alone are enough to house all the immigrants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDd_wn2B2js
Data driven information with links for you to do your own research and think for yourself rather than listing to hate radio all day.
Addressing MPO45v2…
There are certainly plenty of run down houses and areas that nobody wants to live at or has no economy to support a household. As far as short term rentals I agree they are a problem, but lets get Americans into home ownership before we worry about housing the third world in America.
Why do you favor immigrants over Americans? Why do you want to flood the country with immigrants and overpopulate this continent. Wasn’t it you who wanted to leave the country and become an expat somewhere else….. after your ideas messed it all up. Have you been to a crowded bumper to bumper National Park lately. You probably never saw a better America like I have.
Most people with kids do not want them competing with exploited labor for a living. You can certainly tell commenters who have no posterity to leave America to. Those with kids and grand kids think differently. Why is it called hate to be concerned about the place you call home.
If people love the third world so much why don’t they go down there and show them how it is done and rescue them down there. For everyone of them coming into America they leave 500 suffering soles behind. What kind of plan for their civilization is that. Do they send their best and brightest to our advantage and their detriment???? Or do they send the people they are glad to get rid of to their advantage and our detriment. It is more humane to help the third world where they are at rather than help a sparse few escaping to America.
I don’t think you get the core issue, America isn’t YOUR continent unless you are a native to this continent…so give us a run down on your DNA and I’ll shut up if you have ancestry that goes back 8000+ years or so.
If not, you are an immigrant, the same kind you are complaining about, the fact that you may be one, two, or three generations removed is irrelevant.
And let me tell you what’s going to happen no matter what anyone says or does. Central and South America have a population of 750+ million and growing faster than North America, it is logical to conclude that the western hemisphere will eventually become mostly “Latino” the way India is mostly Indian and Africa is mostly African and Asia is mostly Asian. By 2040 there won’t be any majority in America, it will be all minorities then the “Latino” group will eventually become the largest group no matter whether you like it or not, it is a mathematical foregone conclusion.
And yeah, I’ll be leaving to avoid people like you the next few election cycles. I fully expect more Tim McVeighs and January 6’s to lash out like fools trying to stop a 300 ft tidal wave at the beach with an AR15.
But rest assured, my properties will be collecting rents from Americans, Latinos, Indians, or Africans or anyone else that can pay because in America it’s always been about money first, that’s the true priority in America. Haven’t you figured that out yet?
South America has already entered into below replacement level of their population so they are going to top off soon in emigration so your projection is out of date by at least 100 million to 630 million. By 2100 South America’s population will have declined to 425 million so they aren’t going to demographically overwhelm anybody. By that time the US will have millions upon millions of vat-grown humans chock full of electronic and physical enhancements that will make all others look like Homo Erectus.
MPO45v2
“But rest assured, my properties will be collecting rents from Americans, Latinos, Indians, or Africans or anyone else that can pay because in America it’s always been about money first, that’s the true priority in America. Haven’t you figured that out yet?”
What????????
Everything you say is all about the money. You don’t care about these people…. they are just your customers. Your business model would fail without uncontrolled immigration. Many business model would fail without uncontrolled immigration.
Their are certain commenters on this site who think immigrants are great and everyone ought to own one. They want them on this side of the border so they can be their new oppressor.
You’re arguing that people have no say in civilizational matters. Turning the US into a one party state doesn’t help anyone except entrenched elites. The US will either turn into a Northern Argentina, formerly wealthy, dysfunctional state or dissolve like the USSR. The human capital in the US has been declining precipitously, we’re not all equal and eventually there will be massive capital flight and emigration if current trends persist.
There are more “We Buy Homes” commercials and signs posted than ever.
Maybe you should check the Hispanic population growth rates.
here you go….all you have to do is sort by female age, young to old and YOU tell me what you see.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_median_age
Obviously Americans need to import some Dutch experts to teach squatting in other people’s real estate.
“Data driven information with links for you to do your own research and think for yourself rather than listing to hate radio all day.”
The latest homeless survey data for Los Angeles and L.A. County, showed increases of 9 and 10%, over the previous year. Around 75,000 for the county. Obviously these people don’t have access to the abandoned buildings you think they should be able to have access to.
Fruit and vegetable farming, along with other food processing tasks, will be done by Mexicans, Central Americans, and South Americans. It’s just a matter of whether it is done on American farms or elsewhere. See American manufacturing for reference.
The same can be said for software engineering as well, but replace with India and China.
Frankly, I am appalled that anyone could think illegal immigration is a good thing. When the prospective immigrant’s first act is to break your laws for personal gain, it does not bode well for any future positive contribution,
There are many people around the world who would love to immigrate to the US. They stand in line in US embassies and consulates, pay their fees, and wait for years because they respect your laws. However, most of them probably won’t pick fruit for peanuts. Many of them are your doctors, engineers, professors…
BTW, I write this as an immigrant who came to the US for graduate study, fell in love and married, raised two kids, contributed in numerous and significant ways, and paid taxes amounting to a very large amount of money.
I’m reminded of Crichton’s “Congo”, he did research for the book and learned that apes who learn sign language seem to forget they’re apes and treat other simian’s as lesser.
So did you become a naturalized US citizen?
Asking for a friend.
No, I did not become a US citizen. However, I support your Constitution more than most citizens.
Thank you.
I am very, very happy to hear that.
Don’t you know, that unless we export all our jobs to low wage countries, and let in peasants to take what remains of low skill jobs, then the economy will suffer. It’s free trade ideology and Mish is an adherent. And Mish doesn’t think he can be replaced by an AI repeating such prattle…
Sorry Mish, it’s called tough love!
Also interesting, will the roads in FL become radioactive? Will cars sold in FL require geiger counters on the dashboard?
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Florida moves forward on radioactive road paving plan as Gov. DeSantis signs new law
Updated June 30, 2023
Bill Chappell
Florida is another step closer to paving its roads with phosphogypsum — a radioactive waste material from the fertilizer industry — after Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a controversial bill into law Thursday.
Conservation groups had urged DeSantis to veto the bill, saying phosphogypsum would hurt water quality and put road construction crews at a higher risk of cancer.
“By signing off on this reckless handout to the fertilizer industry, Gov. DeSantis is paving the way to a toxic legacy generations of Floridians will have to grapple with,” said Elise Bennett, Florida and Caribbean director at the Center for Biological Diversity, in a statement sent to NPR.
The Environmental Protection Agency also has a say: The agency regulates phosphogypsum, and any plan to use it in roads would require a review.
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https://www.npr.org/2023/06/30/1185280180/florida-roads-radioactive-desantis-signs-law
The EPA aught to regulate immigration. Every immigration policy that increases population in the United States aught to require an Environmental Impact Report as standard procedure.
On hot sunny days, you can smell the asphalt on any highway.
I can only imagine the long term residual cancer lawsuits for this idiocy.
We could go back to horse-drawn wagons on dirt roads but I wonder what years of close proximity to horse, cattle and chicken manure would do for bacterial, viral and parasitic infections. It could be the choice of plodding along behind a plow or barreling along at 70 miles per hour down a highway to Vegas. Tough choice.
I think you missed my point.
What was your point? Asphalt causes cancer?
On the bight side the roads glow at night so you don’t need headlights.
Radioactive roads will melt the snow in the winters.
I mean it is Florida.
I always wondered why there was no snow on the roads in Florida. Now I know.
OJ is already at an all time high. Those rich farmers could try actually buying some pickers/machines that wont ask for pay increases, wont sleep, wont get injured and wont talk back. Matter of fact, I thought by now we were supposed to have self-driving semis, self-driving cabs, self-driving tractors and fully automated banks. Why Republicans accept whatever Trump dictates as reality/the horrible illegal aliens is our generation’s greatest mystery.
Poetic justice about the law of unintended consequences. Business owners hate regulations that prevent them from dumping junk in the water or using harmful fertilizers, but then they get bitten by anti immigrants laws. Now get those anti-immigrants to start doing something useful and start picking up some vegetables.
The answer is to build a wall and manage the business needs of low-skilled labor through legal immigration.
Anything else is an invasion and will eventually be a big part of America having the exact same issues France is having.
Strange; I thought temporary workers’ permits were granted for agricultural workers. Oh wait, these are illegal immigrants who try to force their way into the US to have babies and qualify themselves.
There are. But mostly in border states like Texas. Temporary workers aren’t likely to want to enter in someplace like Texas and go all the way to Florida to work.
Perhaps busing LEGAL temporary immigrants from entry points to work places is something the states could organize among themselves.
“Perhaps busing LEGAL temporary immigrants from entry points to work places is something the states could organize among themselves.”
What a great idea!!!! Perhaps busing them to Northern Areas that are so much in support of illegals. New York, D.C. Oregon, Boston, Martha’s Vineyard
A legal immigrant has the right to choose where to live. My proposal was to assist them to move to places needing assistance for fruit picking etc, even subsidize their relocation.
Someone seeking political asylum is required to apply at the US consulate/embassy in the first ‘safe’ country they come to.
Those seeking economic benefits are required to apply at the US embassy/consulate in their home country.
I don’t see what is so hard to understand, unless you’re a progressive flea brain.
I know a farmer in Vermont who grows apples of all varieties and he imports workers from Jamaica on seasonal contracts.
By the way, never ask a farmer who grows apples for a living which variety he likes the most to eat.
*…who grows a variety of apples
I hope there are some “heirloom” varieties in there, not just the new, overly sweet kinds that are popular these days.
I don’t think that there would be concern of Jamaicans staying past the growing season in Vermont. I vaguely recall John Candy making a documentary about their dislike of snow and ice.
Yeah, the “born in the USA to non-citizens, get automatic citizenship” rule ought to be canceled.
Why? ‘Anchor Babies’ is mostly a myth.
The child does indeed gain citizenship but the parents don’t and can’t qualify until the child is 21 years old and can sponsor them. That’s a LONG time to wait for citizenship and I doubt anyone is seriously going that route. If the parents want to remain here, they are already doing so (legally by other means or illegally) LONG before the kid reaches 21.
Let’s get the IRS on them. Anchor babies who claim US citizenship and then return to China or wherever owe income tax on income no matter where they earn it.
“Why? ‘Anchor Babies’ is mostly a myth.”
What you say makes no sense. Kids and parents are a package deal. So what is the solution, kick the parents out and put the illegal kid in a US foster care situation until they turn 18. With your logic the only solution is to make every womb, birth canal, placenta and umbelical cord a duty free zone, thereby only kids born to Americans are US citizens. The Statue of Liberty never said to “Give Me Your Sneaky” and neither does the Constitution.
The founding fathers wouldn’t have expected 10M+ illegals streaming across the border in four short years. That’s for sure.
ANYONE who thinks Joe Biden’s open borders are good for this country is crazy. America is being invaded. It’s that simple. The long-term consequences will be extremely dire.
All shortages is labor have to be solved by getting people off welfare, providing mean for legal citizens & immigrants to move where jobs are and through controlled, legal immigration.
I believe everything will turn out fine in Florida and the citizens will be better off. Mish can cherry pick reporting to make it seem like the sky is falling. Time will tell.
Send the parents home with the kid. Just because the kid is a US citizen doesn’t mean they have to live here. They can grow up someplace else.
I met for two hours with a US CBP agent a few months ago. Reports from the southern border regarding pregnant women rushing to cross to the US prior to delivery are both true and numerous; however, data are not made available for obvious reasons. The Bidum administration is clearly and consistently violating immigration law.
“If not Florida, who? And if not now, when?”
Productive illegals should be given fast path status to legality. You do have to be careful not to let in too many of one kind or, like any invading species, it can take over. Example, you have a happy Muslim community and then begin letting in too many Christians and soon enough you have Muslims converting to Christianity causing all kinds of societal issues.
Agreed. Anyone who came to work and is working should be fast tracked to legal status on the path to citizenship if they want that (believe it or not, many just come to work and then like to go home to their families flush with US cash).
Anyone who isn’t working or who was working and then stops should be promptly shipped back. This including piggybacking over your family (older non-workers or kids too young to work).
The problem with ‘economic’ migration is that it continues until the conditions in the host country become the same as the originating country. Mostly, economic migration takes advantage of government provided benefits/services far in excess of the immigrant’s contribution.
The solution is temporary work permits (EAD),
The filing fee is $410
The biometrics fee is $85
Your alternative, unfettered illegal immigration with a fast track to citizenship, sucks.
Can you cite some examples of economic migration reducing the host country to that of the originating country?
I honestly can’t think of any or maybe none have reached equilibrium yet where conditions in both countries are the same (could easily take centuries).
“Can you cite some examples of economic migration reducing the host country to that of the originating country?”
My Irish ancestors, 150 years ago, were accused of this, and well, look at how much damage the Irish have done to America since!
I grew up on stories of “NINA” “No Irish Need Apply” signs on every store front from my grandparents, told to them by their parents.
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When I was in grade school in the 70’s we used to watch films about what life was like in Canada in the 20’s. As kids we’d all laugh when we saw the ‘No Micks Allowed’ signs on store fronts.
But Irish immigration to Canada and the US did not drag down Canada and the US to the level of the Irish economy at the time. Those years were boom times for North America and millions of immigrants arrived from all over Europe, not just Ireland.
“Can you cite some examples of economic migration reducing the host country to that of the originating country?”
Pretty much every homeless camp is influenced by economic migration, and has become like the originating country. Housing works on supply and demand and not enough housing has been built to accommodate illegals pouring across the border. Those who can live 8 to a one bedroom apartment push out those who can’t. It is like a waterfall of declining humanity down to most the easily exploited.
Even if we blame drugs, mental illness and any other excuses people like to use to denigrate others, our fellow man deserves a place to call home. Let us use the example of rent being only a dollar. Now lets say me: a compassionate redneck type, gives everyone in my town a dollar so they can afford a place to rent. There are not enough units existing to provide housing for everyone in town, much less America for that matter. Even if they could afford the rent, there is nothing available. The more progressive a town the more that town objects to further housing development.
Immigration advocates have somehow escaped the crab bucket or have crawled to the top and think they are safe. So they say… Lets throw a few more crabs in the bucket and watch it all happen from above. These progressive dreamers and immigrant exploiters are elevating themselves and achieving self preservation at others expense.
America has gone from 230 million in the early 1980’s to 330 million today, much of it through immigration. It shows on our roads, in our schools, in destruction of wildlife and habitat, in quality of life , and in overcrowded National Parks. All in the name of GDP quota’s and ponzi retirement ambitions.
I think we should give the Statue of Liberty back to France or let some other country else carry the torch for awhile.One thing that needs to be acknowledged is that those originating countries have got to stop regarding their own people as “wretched refuse on their teeming shores”, and start seeing them as valuable people. America really does give despotic nations a safety valve that enables their horrible treatment of others.
FRANCE, DUH!
The southern border of US. Only federal aid and benefits and law enforcement keep US side superior to Mexican side.
You are missing the boat. America’s advantage was wast empty land and resources. As more pour in, those advantages are stressed and gone. At the same time, the population in the source country doesn’t decline because of their reproduction rate.
It’s not your grandparents America.
Look at the street gangs in democrap cities. Any number of examples on a local level, However, the reason why few countries, if any, achieve the equilibrium, is commonsense mediates before that happens. Italy, for example has such concerns with African migrants…
Good points captain.
As I say, there is a reason why third worlds is what it is.
It has not progressed, but fallen behind.
The exception are some East Asian countries.
According to Peter Zeihan, net migration between the US and Mexico has been towards Mexico for about seven of the last eight years….
Peter Zeihan, ugh!
That may be, but over the past few years the migrant surge along the southern U.S. border has featured citizens of other countries that happen to cross into the U.S. from Mexico. Net migration between the two nations isn’t germane to the migration crisis that led AOC to stage a photo op ‘down there’.
It’s OK to kill an apostate Muslim, the book says so.
Four wives and as many concubines as you want!
“Productive illegals should be given fast path status to legality.”
And childbrained apparatchiks and 5 year planers will, as always, be 100% reliable at deeming and finding and holding and determining and judging who is “productive” and who is “not;” no doubt…….