Wisconsin Judge Amazingly Rules 7 Health Care Workers Cannot Switch Jobs

Wisconsin Circuit Court Judge Mark McGinnis Tells 7 Workers They Cannot Switch Jobs.

The Appleton, Wisconsin Post-Crescent reports Fox Valley Health Care Workers Now Playing Out in Court.

The seven workers quit ThedaCare, applied for positions at Ascension, and received job offers.

The seven did not have contracts or obligations at ThedaCare nor did Ascension recruit those workers. 

Nonetheless, ThedaCare filed a lawsuit seeking to block the move. 

Outagamie County Circuit Court Judge Mark McGinnis granted ThedaCare’s request and until at least Monday. 

In the complaint, lawyers for ThedaCare wrote that Ascension had “shockingly” chosen to “poach” the employees during a stressful time for health care. More COVID-19 patients are hospitalized in the Fox Valley now than at any other time during the pandemic, according to Wisconsin Hospital Association data, and ThedaCare has canceled non-emergency surgeries to make space. 

ThedaCare-Neenah is a Level II Trauma Center, part of which means they have specialists like interventional radiologists available regularly to treat patients. Ascension St. Elizabeth Hospital, a Level III Trauma Center, can provide initial support to trauma patients and is able to transfer them to ThedaCare-Neenah for more care, according to definitions from the Wisconsin Department of Health Services.  

Ascension says it did not recruit the workers and that ThedaCare had an opportunity to make counter-offers but didn’t.

Timothy Breister, one of applicants in the dispute said the pay, the benefits, and the life-style options offered by Ascension were better.

Its “not just in pay but also a better work/life balance,” said Breister. 

After approaching ThedaCare with the chance to match the offers they’d been given, Breister wrote that they were told “the long term expense to ThedaCare was not worth the short term cost,” and no counter-offer would be made. 

You Can’t Quit

Effectively the judge ruled the workers cannot quit. Wow. 

This is an open and shut case if the facts are even close to those presented.

If I was Breister, I would consider showing up at Ascension as well as filing a recall petition for Judge Mark McGinnis. 

Wisconsin judges may be removed in one of four ways: By the Wisconsin Supreme Court, by recall, by legislative impeachment and by an obscure mechanism called address, which is similar to impeachment.

Irony

The irony in this ridiculous ruling by judge McGinnis is that the seven workers will not be at work for either ThedaCare or Ascension next week unless the workers ignore the restraining order.

McGinnis wants the parties to work it out. But there is nothing to work out.

Telling people they cannot quit for a better opportunity is blatantly unconstitutional.  

This post originally appeared at MishTalk.Com.  

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dbannist
dbannist
2 years ago
Mish:  Here’s the latest on this:

link to wpr.org

My sister, who is a nurse, is completely outraged at the judge who forced the issue to begin with.

prumbly
prumbly
2 years ago
I thought that judges are supposed to interpret and enforce the country’s laws. Exactly what law were these workers supposed to have broken?
Chidsuey
Chidsuey
2 years ago
Crazy. But you should note for the sake of fairness, according to that link, as of today, the order was lifted and the people can work at Ascension. 
Since2008
Since2008
2 years ago
Another example of government people in power telling everybody else when and where they can and cannot work at their jobs which are not illegal activities.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Irony
Irony would be if Tedacare fired unCovaxxed workers and is now trying to prevent Covaxxed workers from quitting.
More COVID-19 patients are hospitalized in the Fox Valley now than at
any other time during the pandemic, according to Wisconsin Hospital
Association data, and ThedaCare has canceled non-emergency surgeries to
make space.”
Obstruction of early treatment was never a good idea. It still isn’t.
Christoball
Christoball
2 years ago
A labor hornets nest has been opened by the judge. This could turn into a Curt Flood moment.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Big corporations have been screwing workers, even minimum-wage workers, with non-compete laws for years.   The only thing new here is that a court screwed the workers, instead of a corporation.   If a corporation did it, then it’s OK, eh?!   
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
BINGO.   a winner.   i remember when john roberts codified Obamacare by calling it a tax.   i was absolutely not surprised.   john roberts life long career was just one of corporate advocacy.   i’m still amazed at the unweaned whelps in this country who are still so confused where they reside.   i vote in usa and italia.   the level of understanding of “democracy” between the 2 places is night and day.   amerika is not even adolescent yet.    she has not had her cherry popped.   
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
“i vote in usa and italia.   the level of understanding of “democracy” between the 2 places is night and day.”
Being that the U.S. is a republic, the term democracy gets thrown recklessly around.
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
FYI, Italy is a republic too.  And so are Germany and France.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
really?   you don’t say.    
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Yes they are. They are not democracies.
I have never been allowed to vote on any federal law.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
a republic is a form of democracy.    for fuc** sake.    what scold.   
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
“a republic is a form of democracy.”
How so? The public didn’t get to vote on whether to bail out the bankers in 2008.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
I know what it is.  LOL.   What I said was that it seems to be A-OK if it is the corporations that are screwing the workers.   
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
The details are important, which I am confident that you do not know.  Thus the link to help you along.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
2 years ago
Regardless of non-compete clause, the judge cannot make a ruling that amounts to slavery.
threeblindmice
threeblindmice
2 years ago
Completely outrageous and unacceptable.  We have come a long way from “in order to protect these liberties” and the Tenth Amendment.  The abuse of the commerce clause that allowed government into every nook and cranny of society has paved the road for this outcome.  We have rolled over and accepted “anti-discrimination” and minimum wage laws that force employers’ hands.  Are we to be surprised that government would seek, someday, to force employees’ hands?
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
Reply to  threeblindmice
surprised????   where ya been past 50 years.  
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
welcome to the financialization of pax dumbfuc*istan.     the ruling class,  the bankers have bought or controlled every industry including doctoring and healthcare.    over 30 years ago i had to sign a “forgivable loan” with a wall street investment bank.    serfdom 101.    also the tw*ts in nyc make the securities licenses just like above example.   you cannot change jobs unless your existing employer doesn’t screw up your “social score record”.      those poor middlebrow proles are learning what happens when financiers take over an empire.    most boomers my age are too self centered to see the big picture.   maybe 5% of us on a good day.  probably 90% of mish readers.    
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
2 years ago
“Was there any Non-Competition clauses in their contracts?”
Even if there were, giving arbitrarily dreamed up drivel, which de facto bans people from deciding what to do with their own time, as much as the time of day, is still no legitimate business of any legitimate government.
There is simply no way of forcing people to work somewhere, and that includes the special case of forcing them to only work nowhere, which does not trivially violate any conceivable slavery ban. By banning people from taking other jobs, you are effectively enforcing them being stuck picking cotton for the grand salary of a whipping a week. There’s no way of getting around that, no matter how much you pay some hack to write up silly “clauses.” Nor how many less-than-bright dupes can be suckered into mindlessly regurgitating “He Signed on the dotted line! It’s the law!!!”
Legitimate government simply does not barr free individuals from choosing what, where and with/for whom during their day. Indenture contracts, while trivially simple to write and sign, are simply not legitimately enforceable.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Was there any Non-Competition clauses in their contracts? The article didn’t mention any but if there is  one in their work contracts then the judge could make that ruling. Non-competative clauses vary from state to state and their legality is questionable in my opinion but if Wisconson allows them then the employees might have a hard time getting free. COVID may qualify as a reason to get out of a non-competition clause and  avoid a breach of contract claim by the employer so maybe that is involved also. If any of you had a contract with a non-competative clause you know what a bitch they are. Since these contracts can contain a geographical content that may be the reason they can’t work in  a clinic nearby.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Most of them are really hard to enforce unless you have some VERY specific company secrets (I know from working in software).
The easy way is for the employees to just not show for work or commit a fireable offense. Then they can freely move to the company they want to work for. A non-compete clause can’t make someone move to another city or starve to death because they can’t get a job.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Key people can have those clauses in their contracts but I have no idea if medical personnel would have them in Wisconsin. I just wondered if that clause was why the judge made that ruling. He would be then upholding the law, even if is a bad one, and not making the law up.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
relatively very, very few people have work contracts.  Generally, it is only C-suite executives and key people who can get contracts (I’m not counting standard consulting contracts here).  And if there is a non-compete clause, then you should be paid for the time you can’t use your existing knowledge and contacts in the pursuit of your livelihood.  
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
2 years ago
What jurisdiction does the judge have over the matter? But we do live in a world where town councils seem to have jurisdiction over what kind of bags grocery stores use.
Also, one can’t help but wonder whether patient lives are being used as cover for greased palms.
A few more stories like this and we’ll see more flash unions amidst nurses and techs.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Barring martial law (and I am not sure about that), an employee w/o a contract cannot be forced to remain working at a company simply because the business (and healthcare IS a business) happens to be in a busy time.
Ascension had “shockingly” chosen to “poach” the employees during a stressful time for health care. More COVID-19 patients are hospitalized in the Fox Valley now than at any other time during the pandemic, according to link to whainfocenter.com, and ThedaCare has link to postcrescent.com to make space. 
If these employees were key to the operation of the hospital or the unit, then they should have been under a contract.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Or maybe paid better?  
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Oh no, not that. Anything but that.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
ohno
ohno
2 years ago
I hope Jeff Bezos doesn’t get wind of this.  What’s next? Huts and chains?
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Hard to believe…just almost impossible. Sounds like something from The Onion. No way that can stand on appeal and I agree the judge should be subject to some kind of appropriate discipline or removal. Completely against  everything this country stands for.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
These folks probably make less than 30 an hour. I doubt they can afford to defend themselves.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
This was called serfdom in the Middle Ages.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Or indentured servitude. 
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
2 years ago
A century of central banking, has effectively reversed all legal ad humanistic gains which were made between the Middle Ages and the end of the US Civil War.
Such that, by now, we’re bak to idiots cheering for indenture contracts, sharecropping and water boarding. And all while believing wearing an Adam Smith tie somehow makes it all diiiiferent, and a-ok, thiiiis time….
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
all students of history know that the most profitable way to run a society,  from the ruling class perspective,  is serfdom.   better than slavery.   no need to feed or doctor or breed or house them.    the peasants will live on streets and tents.    this is ancient wisdom of power and money.  
Jcbl
Jcbl
2 years ago
The proletariat must be kept in their places. 
Count Rumford
Count Rumford
2 years ago
Say isn’t that Joe McCarthy country?
I assume it is a temporary restraint order not a permanent injunction, short hearing and they can work for the new employer and enjoy those beaucoup bucks.
goldguy
goldguy
2 years ago
Welcome to communism. 
Jackula
Jackula
2 years ago
Reply to  goldguy
Communism? This is a judge forcing someone to work at a private company. Crony capitalism at its worst! Either extreme left or extreme right end up at the same place anyway…authoritarianism.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
2 years ago
Reply to  Jackula
“Crony capitalism” is exactly communism.
In any communism(*), the commune inevitably “has to” have “leaders.” Who then decides what “the people” should do. Including which one of the “leaders’” enterprises and/or collectives they are allowed to work at.
Those “leaders” will inevitably be those who consider themselves the “pillars of the community.”
Exactly no different at all, IOW, from those whom The Fed has robbed the rest in order to enrich. Aka “The Capitalists” in our particular version of communism.
——
(*) Aside from genuinely anarchic ones. But those aren’t communisms in anything but name. Just anarchisms. And hence, very far from _crony_ anything. But, lo and behold, the indoctrinati; in both nominally “communist” communisms, as well as in nominally “crony capitalist” ones; have been told anarchisms, with their scary freedom to choose where to work and stuff, are scayi hobgoblins that they need Dear Leader and his Cronies to pjotect them from…
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
B.S.  
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
What is B.S?
That Communistic “communes” have leaders? 
That Soviet “Leaders” could, and did, ban people from freely changing work?
That the “leaders” on occasion preened around strutting their status and privilege? Bought with wealth worked for by others?
Or just that “like, mommy, but, like, communists say, like, the pooooooor and, like, stuff!!”
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  goldguy
Spill your beer: Communism!
Stub your toe: Communism!
Miss your plane:  Communism!
Didn’t like your meal; Communism!
It’s so handy to have one word to describe everything bad that ever happened.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
the serfs have been abused for so long they just bleat out whatever their rulers tell them to.   communism blah blah blah………….baaaaahhhhhhhh,  baaaaaahhhhhhh. 

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