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Good News for Democrats: Throw the Polls Out, Start All Over

Today, Biden dropped out of the race under intense pressure. Yet, it’s still an uphill battle for the Democrats. How does it change the odds?

Recap of Biden Dropping Out

I discuss Trump-Uncertain Democrat odds below. First let’s go over what we know about Biden Dropping out,

What We Know

  1. Biden unexpectedly dropped out today with an official letter that did not endorse Kamala Harris.
  2. In a subsequent Tweet, Biden did endorse Harris.
  3. The New York Times commented that we do not know who wrote Biden’s letter.
  4. Democrats are headed for an open convention but Harris is the presumed favorite.
  5. Biden (or whoever is calling the shots for him) finally realized that Biden staying in the race would be a disaster. Bide was trailing in nearly every major poll.
  6. Billionaire donors pulled the plug on contributions until Biden stepped out.

I discussed the above six points “what we know” points in detail in my previous post:

Biden Is Dropping Out, Endorses Kamala Harris

Click on above link for expanded details including the official announcement and the Tweet endorsement.

Several people suggest that dropping out and endorsement are two different things. Point taken, but how does it look?

Appearances matter. It appears to be an afterthought.

How Does This Change the Odds?

Actually, no one knows. The reason we do not know is things change when they morph from hypothetical to reality.

Based on polls, Biden was headed for outright disaster in November if he stayed on. Biden finally became convinced of that.

It is likely that Trump is ahead of Harris, but given the open convention, it is not guaranteed that Kamala will be the nominee.

Nate Silver commented in his Silver ForecastWe went ahead and updated the numbers for today and I suppose we’ll continue to do so for another day or two for posterity’s sake if more Biden polling trickles in. But we’ll mostly turn our attention to preparing the model to handle Kamala Harris and/or other prospective Democratic nominees.

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Does Kamala Harris Improve Democrats’ Odds?

Vox, which normally sounds like a pack of MSNBC cheerleaders has a surprising good take.

There’s the obvious stuff: Harris is younger, can actually string sentences together, and has already been campaigning against Trump this year. These points were once again demonstrated this week — while Biden was forced to recover from Covid at his home in Delaware during the week of the Republican National Convention, Harris was on the trail with North Carolina Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper.

What the data says: First, a caveat: comparing polling of reality to a hypothetical match-up is always a bit treacherous. [Cheers to Vox for making this point]

What we can say from head-to-head polling of Harris is that the general trend has gotten a lot better for her. A year ago she was underperforming Biden in head-to-head polling against Trump in a variety of surveys. Closer to the debate and right after, she began to perform about evenly. And more recently, in July, a few polls comparing Biden and Harris against Trump in battleground states and nationally have shown Harris even with Biden or slightly ahead of him.

Harris backers can find an additional data point in their column: 69 percent of respondents think Biden is too old; Harris doesn’t face that concern. And Biden is more unpopular than Harris, something that is consistently true: As of July 18, Biden has a net -17.7 approval rating in the FiveThirtyEight aggregate. Harris’s disapproval is at 11.8. And in RealClearPolitics’ average of favorability ratings, Biden (-16.3) is also more unpopular than Harris (-14.9)

The risks of swapping in Harris

Harris’s favorability numbers are not that different from Biden’s, and could still get worse. In recent polls, she performs worse than Biden in battleground states like MichiganArizona, and Nevada — losing those states would likely doom a Democratic candidate.

And she doesn’t necessarily do significantly better than Biden when looking at how subgroups of voters feel: She wins the same share of Black voters as Biden in head-to-head matchups with Trump in battleground states, per Split-Ticket.org’s polling, and does slightly worse than Biden among white voters, who still make up the majority of voters in swing states and nationally.

Taking the Kamala-critical position on the data as is — that there’s essentially no difference according to polls in how Harris performs against Trump than Biden — you are justified in being worried about what the campaign trail might look like.

And then come the memes. While the genre of Kamala Harris memes has been exploding in popularity recently because of the chaos over Biden’s own candidacy, those jokes start from a kernel of truth: Harris is an awkward communicator. She’s prone to gaffes, to awkward jokes, to tortured analogies or stories, and is generally perceived as easy to mock.

That’s as balanced a take as you will find anywhere. It’s outright shocking from my experience reading Vox.

Kamala Harris Polling

Politico comments So You Wanted Some Harris Polling?

The question, of course, is simple: Can she win?

According to CNN’s JEFF ZELENY, the president himself has been asking about that. And a new survey conducted this week by a Democratic polling firm and shared first with West Wing Playbook provides an answer.

The data from Public Policy Polling found that Harris — with the right running mate — likely can defeat the Republican ticket of former President DONALD TRUMP and Ohio Sen. JD VANCE in two of the three “Blue Wall” states the Biden campaign now sees as critical: Pennsylvania and Michigan.

And, just as critically, the research shows that Biden’s prospects, as former Speaker NANCY PELOSI and many others have conveyed to him directly, are grim.

Public Policy Polling has long been a prolific firm in Democratic politics — it has only a 1.4-star rating out of 3 in FiveThirtyEight’s pollster ratings — but given the intense debate around Biden’s embattled candidacy, it’s the existence of the polling that’s more important than its accuracy.

In a general election that also includes third-party candidates, Trump is leading Biden by one point in Michigan (45 percent to 44 percent) and four points in Pennsylvania (46 percent to 42 percent). Interestingly, Harris replacing Biden atop the ticket makes the Democrats’ chances worse in Michigan, with Trump leading her by five points (46 percent to 41 percent), and better in Pennsylvania, where she cuts Trump’s lead in half (45 percent to 43 percent percent).

But if Harris were to pick one of those state’s governors as her running mate, her chances would improve considerably.

In Michigan, Harris with Gov. GRETCHEN WHITMER as her vice presidential nominee are dead even with Trump and Vance, tied at 46 percent according to the poll.

And in Pennsylvania, a hypothetical ticket with Harris running alongside Gov. JOSH SHAPIRO would run one point ahead of Trump and Vance.

Perhaps the clearest proof of Biden’s personal weakness is that, in both states, Democratic Senate candidates are running far ahead of him and holding leads outside the margin of error.

In Pennsylvania, Democratic Sen. BOB CASEY leads Republican DAVE McCORMICK, 50 percent to 39 percent. And in Michigan, Rep. ELISSA SLOTKIN leads former GOP Rep. MIKE ROGERS, 46 percent to 38 percent.

Let’s Be Honest!

Nate Silver discussed the Harris odds on July 12 in The Case for, and Against, Kamala Harris

Let’s be honest: she’d probably be an underdog. But she’s still a better option than Biden.

Harris-Gretchen Whitmer / Harris-Josh Shapiro

What are the odds if the Democrat ticket is Kamala Harris and Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer?

How about Kamala Harris and Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro?

You don’t know and I don’t know. But we do know that it cannot possibly be any worse than the Biden-Harris odds.

Wonder Who

https://twitter.com/focusfronting/status/1815110713494721006

A She?

Shhh… Keep it a secret.

Now does that refer to Harris or is it a demand for Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer?

Peak Trump?

Trump’s polling odds have peaked or soon will.

That statement by no means implies anything other than a belief that Harris-Anyone has a better shot than Biden-Harris.

Laffin’ Kamala Taunt

A Warning to Trump

Don’t be stupid! And that taunt was stupid. Such silliness contributed massively to Trump’s loss in 2020. Trump would have won easily if he just acted presidential.

Yet, here we are with taunts immediately after a pledge to tone things down.

Trump could get away with this as long as it was Trump-Biden because Biden proved to be every bit as arrogant as Trump.

This Race Will Tighten

How much? We will not know for sure until about 10 days after the Democrat convention.

Meanwhile, Trump needs to start acting presidential immediately because the full impact of Biden dropping out is unknown, and will remain unknown perhaps until September.

There may be very little room for typical Trumpian mistakes.

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D W
D W
1 year ago

Nothing Trump said in that tweet is a lie. What’s the problem? The Democrats boxed themselves into this and everything they do back-fires… miserably, but hilariously.
They did everything they could…and did all of it illegally…to destroys Trump…but ended up making him a living martyr.
I just don’t see too many ways Trump can lose, at this point.

N C
N C
1 year ago

She is a far left San Francisco Democrat. I don’t see that playing out well for her in the swing States. And now that the spotlight is on her, her unlikeable personality will be on display for all to see.

Jane
Jane
1 year ago

Wonder if the author wishes to make an even odds bet on the laughing hyena? To make the dream ticket she needs AOC. Harris is so accomplished. I wish I had her autographed Willie Brown knee pads.

Kevin
Kevin
1 year ago

What happens if, in the middle of the campaign, Israel ignores lame-duck Biden and steps up its wars with Gaza, Lebanon, Yemen and Iran? It’s a Kobayashi Maru scenario for the democrat candidate.

CzarChasm Reigns
CzarChasm Reigns
1 year ago

Trump needs to start acting presidential immediately”

If 4 years of On The Job Training can’t do it, nothing will.

Jane
Jane
1 year ago

Ten additional IQ points will qualify you as a Pet Rock.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago

Yesterday regime change rd #1/16 results : Kamala vs Obama.

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Thetenyear
Thetenyear
1 year ago

Dear Spell Check,

Kamala is the leading candidate in the democrat party. Please stop suggesting that I should spell her name Kampala,Kamal, or Kamila.

Thetenyear
Thetenyear
1 year ago

Don’t forget that this is the same Kamala that was awarded ZERO delegates in the 2020 primary. She will get a boost because she is being compared to Joe Biden. But that will fade quickly once they realize that this is the same Kamala they didn’t vote for in 2020.

Thetenyear
Thetenyear
1 year ago

Trump’s presidency was built on nick names. He would not have won without them. Although I much prefer Kacklin’ Kamala.

Mark
Mark
1 year ago

Follow the money. I would not be surprised to eventually learn that the three of them (Joe, Jill and Hunter) used the threat of not dropping out of the race to extort the something of value from the party. It is speculation but not unreasonable given known family history.

Patrick
Patrick
1 year ago

-Mr. President, the donors are in revolt. You have to reject the nomination!
-That’s malarkey! Come on man, I’m Joe Biden. I will never drop out.
-Brrrrrrng, brrrrrrrrng.
-Who was that on the phone?
-Mr. President, it was President Obama. He says that if you don’t drop out you get no more ice cream.
-Ok, I’m out. I’ll take two scoops of chocolate chocolate chip!

Blurtman
Blurtman
1 year ago

Joe Manchin – an austerity candidate emerges?

John Tucker
John Tucker
1 year ago

The Democrats recent insurrection has been pretty amusing. Now, I am looking forward to the bloodletting at the next debate.,……already got the popcorn on the stove……

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago

Biden didn’t quit bc of Lowy Body Dementia. He quit after the failed Trump assassination.

KGB
KGB
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

You don’t suppose Kamala threatened to finger him?

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago
Reply to  KGB

I didn’t say : “His” failed assassination attempt !!

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago

Gamala is a daughter of an Indian mom and a Jamaican pop. She is married to a Jew. Harris is part of CA Indian/Jewish mafia, shaped by wall street. She can pull blacks, Latinos and suburban women away from Trump. The flyover scorn her. She
might overcome this hurdle with Roy Cooper or Andy Beshear as vp, Whitmer, Shapiro, the usual cheating and Biden, who poured billions in. The lame duck Biden
will clean his table for a fresh start. Biden might pardon the Jan 6 patriots and Trump,if jailed, to unite the country.

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Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

is I fix it more than once I get spam.

Jane
Jane
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

Wow, she is a mutt and her circle of friends reveals why she has autographed Willie Brown kneepads. Maybe this is why you think suburban women, Latinos, and blacks will cheer her on. Think of the wonders she worked as border czar. But at lleast she was stealing luggage at airports or decided that she was entitled to wear am admiral’s altered uniform or get her own “march.” So many accomplishments, just like that Kenyan.

Kimo
Kimo
1 year ago

Trump wins in a landslide, world economy crashes during his lame duck term and ushers in eight years of democrat progressive agendas.

You read it here first?

DAVID CASTELLI
DAVID CASTELLI
1 year ago
Reply to  Kimo

hasn’t that already happened years ago?
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Frederick
Frederick
1 year ago

The US has truly gone to the dogs SO happy that I got the heck outta Dodge in 2015 This won’t end well for the dollar or ordinary Americans

Frederick
Frederick
1 year ago

president Kamala lol good one

Rjohnson
Rjohnson
1 year ago

The left is officially more focused on cheating than who’s running.

Felix
Felix
1 year ago

What if these 3 governors (Whitmer, Shapiro, Cooper) each look like better presidents than Harris? Pick one for Harris VP. That would be one strange, inverted ticket.

Rjohnson
Rjohnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Felix

The communist choice

Jane
Jane
1 year ago
Reply to  Felix

Why pick Harris when you could pick AOC?

Alex
Alex
1 year ago

A warning to Trump, don’t be stupid. Let that up to the experts, like Kamala. There is no way you can compete with Kamala on stupid.

Rjohnson
Rjohnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Alex

Unfort he’ll think he has to

Michael 28
Michael 28
1 year ago

It was known inside Washington that Biden would drop out today. Ask around if you have any D.C. contacts. The insiders knew and it was never unexpected. As for Kamala Harris the words that come to mind are lazy and vapid. Her explanation regarding the Ukraine/Russia conflict is something you’d give to little children not during a press conference. You’ll certainly see it in Trump ads this fall. She was known as a poor study in Sacramento when she was AG. The Democrats will likely draft Shapiro since the public is tiring of Democratic Party wokeness. Two women on the ticket are unwise.

I’ve wondered why the Secret Service allowed Trump to go on stage if they had serious concerns about the assassin. It was a known issue for over an hour and they had the shooter in their sights for minutes but couldn’t get the order to shoot. What is the reason the Secret Service command has given? Even gross incompetence doesn’t really explain it. Who would allow a loved one to go on a stage under these circumstances?

Corvinus
Corvinus
1 year ago

It seems to me that Obama’s hand is all over this. Could Joe’s endorsement of Kamala be a FU to Obama for orchestrating the coup?

Avery2
Avery2
1 year ago
Reply to  Corvinus

On X today- from @realBlagojevich:

“I’ve known Obama since2995. We both come out of Chicago politics. I know how it works. He’s behind the campaign to dump 15 million Dem primary voters & replace Biden with his choice. Classic Chicago machine politics.”

Fun Fact: the guy who was on the other end of Blago’s infamous phone call (bugged by FBI and US attorney Patrick Fitzgerald) to make a deal to appoint successor to Obama Senate seat was current Governor Fat@ss.

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Casual Observer
Casual Observer
1 year ago

It is a reset but the democrats don’t have a message that rings with most voters. They would be better off throwing away the dnc playbook and let Harris rewrite it. There is plenty of room to remake the party in a manner similar to Bill Clinton. We know Trump and Biden economics were both failures for different reasons. Neither party has been able to do anything that radically addresses the elephant in the room — the US Debt. This issue is going to come to a head for whomever the next president is and not allow them to do much. A reality based approach and treating Americans like adults would be the way to go but it probably won’t happen.

Corvinus
Corvinus
1 year ago

Frankly, most average people probably don’t give a crap about the US debt. It’s too abstract and intangible. They care about how much a loaf of bread costs and whether they can pay their mortgage/rent.

DaveFromDenver
DaveFromDenver
1 year ago
Reply to  Corvinus

I agree completly. But that view would change if the MM (Majority Media) would educate the public rather than keeping them in the dark.
What if every Boomer and their kids knew that the Debt (that we can’t afford pay back) includes trillions of dollars that are supposed to be the Social Security and Medicare Trust Fund balances?
We have to barrow cash every month (and have been for more than ten years) so we can pay SS benefits. Yet the MM tells us that SS benefits come from a Reserve, that is invisable but real.

Corvinus
Corvinus
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

‘Good Lord, a post from C O that I agree with.’

Trump’s near assassination, the Crowdstrike Crash, Biden quitting the race and now a rational post from Casual Oserver.

With wonders like these, it’s either time to buy a lottery ticket or head down to the bunker.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Harris is too short to be president.

Corvinus
Corvinus
1 year ago
Reply to  Sentient

Is this a joke about her being on her knees all the time?

Michael 28
Michael 28
1 year ago
Reply to  Sentient

My brother voted for her in California because she had a nice rack. I’ll never forget that bonehead comment.

rinky stingpiece
rinky stingpiece
1 year ago

The problem with the Democrats is that they try to play the underdog, when everyone knows they are the establishment. They are in power, yet don’t have any clear positive vision for the future, or any clear plans, only excuses and vitriolic criticism: they’re not a credible option.

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Corvinus
Corvinus
1 year ago

I tend to agree. The trouble is that half the country at this point has latched onto victimhood for one reason or another. For some it is for direct financial gain, for others it is perceived credibility or prestige. Victimhood grifting is the clearest sign of the feminization of society. Playing the victim is a woman tactic to get what she wants. As a society we are worse off when female tendencies dominate. Too much Yin, we need to get the Yang back.

Corvinus
Corvinus
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

It’s surprising to me that people think this would be a barrier of any kind. The democrats would find a way even if it was completely illegal to do and there would be no repercussions. Are there ever any for the establishment?

Michael 28
Michael 28
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Harris will be the nominee. There are some legal issues pulling her at this late date and the Democrats have enough on their plate right now. Gretchen is a better pick but two whites on the ticket won’t sell black women on that change. Too risky in the states that the Dems must take.

MikeC711
MikeC711
1 year ago

I definitely wish Trump would stop the name calling and other middle-school behavior. He was a far better president than 46 and will likely give us a 4 year speed bump from the move to socialism … but I was a DeSantis and/or Vivek man because Trump’s calling of names and making other juvenile statements will lose him those who are not glued to him … and those that are glued to him will be fine if he fails to speak middle-school-ish for a week or ten.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago
Reply to  MikeC711

So you don’t think Trump calling Harris a filthy whore is a good idea? You might be right, but it would be funny.

Corvinus
Corvinus
1 year ago
Reply to  Sentient

Oh man there’s a part of me that would love to see that.

Neal
Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Sentient

Ideally Trump will act as a statesman/ gentleman and leave the kneepad cackler to be savaged by others.
Can’t wait for the next debate to see how badly the whore laughs when grilled over her border failure.
Perhaps Trump needs to start announcing a few of his intended cabinet nominations and let someone like Tulsi rip into Cameltoe Harris

Michael 28
Michael 28
1 year ago
Reply to  MikeC711

I like DeSantis a lot. He’s an outstanding administrator and would have loved a DeSantis/Vance ticket. Someone had better tell Trump that this election is about staying out of court and maybe jail after the election. He needs to win the independent voters. To do that he should be gracious and if it’s a dig then BE FUNNY. Let the Ted Cruz types do the nasty stuff. The Soviet media of the U.S. wants to bury Trump so he’d be wise to listen to the people advising him to run his tweets and his speeches by them first.

Bob Dorn
Bob Dorn
1 year ago

War chest was in Biden-Harris name and legally could only go to Harris. If they have a brokered convention, Harris will have to come out on top (pun intended) or that money goes bye-bye and the candidate has to start over from scratch. Historical sidenote – any party coming out of a brokered convention has always lost. Hard to know, but it’s hard to bet against Mish on these things.

Michael 28
Michael 28
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

I’m not sure that can legally be done but I am sure that such a move would end up in front of a court.

Mike2112
Mike2112
1 year ago

Trump isn’t losing any voters from 2020.

The democrats have absolutely lost voters over the economy and their insane gender ideology. The dems have lost male voters and Kamala doesn’t do a thing to reverse that trend.

Finally the whole Israel Palestine issue has the party taking sides and I don’t see any reconciliation that is possible.

MiTurn
MiTurn
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike2112

Agree Mike. I think that the Independent vote will prefer Trump over Harris. And the Dems are divided.

Corvinus
Corvinus
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike2112

Plus I think that this Joe debacle has to impact their credibility right? Gaslighting people about Joe’s competency for years only to.turn on a dime at the eleventh hour proving all the ‘right wing conspiracy theories’ were actually correct? Please tell me there are people that can see it.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Trump should accuse her of supporting everything Gavin Vampire supports. She can’t because she does.

Corvinus
Corvinus
1 year ago

Kamala is the posterchild for DEI promotion of incompetetence for the sake of checkbox virtual signaling. She has shown herself to be utterly incompetent as a public speaker. The majority of the media will again attempt to brainwash the public into disbelieving their lying eyes and ears. A debate between her word salad nonsense style and Trump’s Flatbush street talk will be interesting. I’ve got my fingers crossed that her incompetetence gets the best of her.

Silvermitt
Silvermitt
1 year ago
Reply to  Corvinus

I always figured she just checked off some boxes to get Biden in office. Though attempts were made to have her publicly active, she was so badly received that they withdrew her publicity for the most of her office term. She really has no serious redeeming merit to back her up, and that is why she’s failing to garner much D support. This country needs to overhaul the determinents for office qualifications, aka merit based and history of solid decisions and healthy ethics. For some reason, DC can’t fathom this and still wonders why Americans not living on a West or East coast loathes the majority of politicians.

Anarcho libertarian
Anarcho libertarian
1 year ago

Trump has dementia. That’s why he acts like he does.

BobC
BobC
1 year ago

Actually, he seems pretty vibrant, unlike President Crash Test Dummy

Corvinus
Corvinus
1 year ago

That’s a foolish interpretation. Trump’s shtick is to talk in ‘common man’ terms. He will pounce and get nasty only to turn around and offer the olive branch and be ingratiating to his former opponents once he had defeated them. He did it with most of his primary opponents for 2016. That’s why he discombobulates many college educated people – he takes a dump on all their high minded sensibilities. The main thing I want to see is if he can pivot when necessary and not keep using the same tactics even though the strategy might remain the same. I’m hoping he leverages Vance properly as an attack (devil) dog.

Corvinus
Corvinus
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Well I’m not sure we can really smugly say it was an unmitigated failure either. It was a mixed bag. Trump had to deal with an unprecedented amout of negative propaganda from most major media outlets, social media and so forth for four years. His failing is not that he does it but that he’s too repetitive and can push it too far. If he could only temper it a little bit he’d hit the sweet spot.

Stu
Stu
1 year ago

> What I think I know… but Who knows?

– Biden unexpectedly dropped out today with an official letter that did not endorse Kamala Harris.
> That’s because Biden Inc. can’t stand K and the thought of… you know.
– In a subsequent Tweet, Biden did endorse Harris.
> The Doc, with some ice cream, makes Brandon swerve all over the place. Does He really and truly know whom K is and what she Wants?
– The NYT commented that we do not know who wrote Biden’s letter.
> Hmm.. Biden. You know, the most obvious, realistic, Pick!
– Democrats are headed for an open convention but Harris is the presumed favorite.
> No Way they talked Old Joe into K or Bust!! No Way. Most definitely somebody (newer face?) other than Her, will be the Nominee.

>> I strongly sense some other older Democrats, will now be asked to also step aside as well. The can always use the “be careful what you wish/ask for” against one another.

Richard F
Richard F
1 year ago

The true scope of ideological lunacy of Dems is yet to be realized.
Instead of this being a chance to rethink their approach they will be plowing ahead and am expecting even greater exhibitions.
They are all sighing with relief that although Joe Biden was unable to bring them to their promised land of Socialism a new recruit will pick up that rainbow flag and march forward.

As the saying goes, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
Keep in mind Gavin Newsom, just managed to drive SpaceX and X out of California. Is anyone there upset? No.

Why change course when you can live in denial and not have to confront what you have become?

MiTurn
MiTurn
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard F

“Why change course when you can live in denial and not have to confront what you have become?”

Concur, as there are actually people who think Harris is a truly viable candidate. All she has to do is talk and she makes even Trump sound like Churchill. I predict a landslide even with the inevitable ballot stuffing.

HMK
HMK
1 year ago

Meanwhile Trump has to act presidential. Unfortunately that will never happen. Like I said I fear he is going to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. By not controlling his narcissistic bloviating and bullying he will damage America by losing to the far left bent on destruction of our country.

Stu
Stu
1 year ago
Reply to  HMK

Trump is making choices with controlling his behavior in mind. Vance is a huge part of this Agenda, and aimed at the younger generations is regards to Trump himself.
He knows he is one and done this time, and wanted Vance in there to perhaps have a shot at 8 more “America First” years.

BobC
BobC
1 year ago
Reply to  HMK

You’re thinking of this as a national election in which the popular vote matters. It doesn’t. First one to 270 electoral votes wins. If Trump carries the majority of the swing states, he wins fairly easily.

Hmk
Hmk
1 year ago
Reply to  BobC

Another concern is will the left be able to do their illegal ballot harvesting. This is unprovable. All the furor over a rigged election couldn’t be verified because of this.

rinky stingpiece
rinky stingpiece
1 year ago
Reply to  HMK

Trump’s mouth is a problem, but it also his asset – he can go off unscripted much more comfortably than the very carefully controlled, contrived, choreographed Democrats. All the Democrats had to do was get on top of the economy: they failed.

Corvinus
Corvinus
1 year ago
Reply to  HMK

Trump is a back alley boaster…. curiously hes rather like Muhammad Ali in that regard. It’s a shtick that many stuffy college educated people find distasteful because it sh!ts all over their starchy elitist sensibilities. That’s why there’s a blue collar shift in the Republican party. It’s not the country club party any more. By contrast the Democrats became the party of silicon Valley, Hollywood and coastal elites that want to lecture to the common man and show him the error of his ways while calling him deplorable. I agree though that it needs to be done in a calculated way and tempered when necessary.

strataland
strataland
1 year ago

Kamala went from debating Vance to debating Trump (if she’s nominated). This is going to be interesting.

MiTurn
MiTurn
1 year ago
Reply to  strataland

Equally interesting will be her VP choice. Undoubtedly a DEI pick.

Corvinus
Corvinus
1 year ago
Reply to  MiTurn

I’m sort of hoping for Warren though I have no idea what her polling is. I can’t imaging people rushing to join the shrill shrieking shrew patrol that ticket would be.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago

The last eight days were extremely volatile and dramatic. They ended up in a coupe. Fifty percent of the voters are independent. Many of them feel relief. Biden, under no pressure, will campaign with her. He has six months to establish an agenda for Harris to surf on, if elected. Biden agenda is Trump agenda. Biden divorced the radical left and moved to the middle. He no longer fears them.

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Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

Harris and Roy Cooper NC, not Shapiro or Whitmer.

Richard F
Richard F
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

What makes you believe the Dems have abandoned the Left?
Rent Control was Bidens latest. Is that off the Table now?

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

Biden will absolutely not campaign with her. Believe me, now that he is not running the rest of the party will distance themselves from him as fast as possible. When he offers to help, he will be politely declined.

Wisdom Seeker
Wisdom Seeker
1 year ago

It’s fun to play the prediction game, but I have no confidence that anyone really knows what will happen.

There are 107 days until the election, and consider how much has happened (or nearly happened) in the past 107 days.

This is a very nonlinear situation – chaos theory reigns. And the pace is accelerating.

Not since at least 1968 have there been so many wildcards in the deck … maybe not since the 1800s.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Wisdom Seeker

1968 is an apt analogy.

Biden stepping down from re-election basically makes him the modern day LBJ, another guy unwanted and unloved by his party and the country that he was unable to seek reelection.

MiTurn
MiTurn
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Sort of. LBJ still had his mind. Biden has moderate dementia and seemingly quickly getting worse. Thank goodness Dr. Jill is there, hand on the tiller. /s

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  MiTurn

His presidency will ultimately be remembered for the way it ended (a disaster and mentally unfit to continue). So he’ll rank essentially the same as LBJ in terms of presidential legacy / how great a president he was.

Last edited 1 year ago by TexasTim65
Woodsie Guy
Woodsie Guy
1 year ago

I just don’t see how Harris is going to do any better than Biden against Trump. Like Hillary, Harris is not likable. She’s also pretty dumb to boot.

Corvinus
Corvinus
1 year ago
Reply to  Woodsie Guy

That’s a great take…Harris is a stupider DEI version of Hillary.

Terry
Terry
1 year ago

Mike your opinion sometimes just plain Suck on what Trump says.

BobC
BobC
1 year ago
Reply to  Terry

Got an example of what you don’t like?

David Smith
David Smith
1 year ago

Harris never got a single vote for the presidential nomination 4 years ago and the changes since then have been her failure on the border, demonstrating she talk for several minutes spewing nonsense and the democrat’s bench is nearly nonexistent, a positive for KH but a negative for the democratic ticket no matter the names. I doubt the democrats win the house, senate or presidency with either identity politics or with their positions on issues. They are basically in salvage mode for the party at this point.

Rando Comment Guy
Rando Comment Guy
1 year ago
Reply to  David Smith

They are also the party of forced mRNA injections, martial law, endless proxy wars, genital mutilations madness….basically an evil party devoted wholly to unforgivable human rights violations.

Bill Meyer
Bill Meyer
1 year ago

How does this play out in the end? “The polls will tighten”…which translates as “The Democrat Cheat Machine in the Battleground States needs tightening polls to cover for planned election ‘hinkey’.” If the managed polls are close enough they’ll get away with it?

Last edited 1 year ago by Bill Meyer
Michael 28
Michael 28
1 year ago
Reply to  Bill Meyer

The Democrats have tried everything against Trump and I mean EVERYTHING. This bullet in the ear was no accident. He’s had very loose protection for years and this assassination attempt was timed too perfectly and the Secret Service “protection” was too incompetent for it to be a complete accident. The only thing left in the tool box is to steal votes. This Democratic Party is Bolshevik in ruthlessness in their drive for power. I’d put nothing past them. They have control of the state and control of the media which is why I’d bet Trump will lose no matter how many people vote for him.

Thetenyear
Thetenyear
1 year ago
Reply to  Bill Meyer

The polls will tighten. They will get a Kamala boost followed by a convention boost. Then reality will set in and she will drop like a rock like she did in 2020. Don’t forget that Kamala garnered ZERO delegates in 2020. Dems can’t stand her.

corvinus
corvinus
1 year ago
Reply to  Thetenyear

from your lips to….

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago

We are not in recession. Both Trump and Harris are pro wall street. In the next six months, until Jan 20, Biden will force Israel to sign a ceasefire with Hamas and close the southern border.

Last edited 1 year ago by Michael Engel
Rando Comment Guy
Rando Comment Guy
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

You talk like Biden is actually in charge. He clearly isn’t.

Neal
Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

Even if Biden or his handlers close the Southern border today the damage has happened. There are 10 million plus illegals clogging the streets of cities like NY and angering the locals and they will remain a festering sore unless something is done. You think the Dems will start mass deportations? With only 100 days or so to the vote it would need a thousand bus loads every day sent over the border to get the numbers down by less than half.
That is possible if the Dems all agreed to such a drastic action and you know the woke part of the party will fight that.

JakeJ
JakeJ
1 year ago

No change. Trump’s baseline is about 6.5% ahead, and will likely grow after Labor Day. The liberal media will promote the hell out of Kamalatoe because they put her there, but it will cut no ice with anyone other than the stalwarts. As I have consistently and repeatedly said here since March, the election will be about the economy unless the NYC judge sends Trump to prison.

The economy has been weakening all year, and unemployment is rising. That is what will determine the winner, as it has in 18 of the 19 post-WW2 elections. The campaigns will determine the margin, but not the result. Unless the judge imprisons him and tears the country apart, Trump will be elected.

Hounddog Vigilante
Hounddog Vigilante
1 year ago
Reply to  JakeJ

Correct.

I refuse to treat this election like a horserace… there is no contest here.

It’s over – Dems lose in a landslide in every scenario.

Flavia
Flavia
1 year ago

You don’t know who the candidate is yet.

Hounddog Vigilante
Hounddog Vigilante
1 year ago
Reply to  Flavia

name a viable Dem candidate… i’ll wait…

all potential Dem candidates lose this election badly.

MiTurn
MiTurn
1 year ago

Fingers crossed and no ballot stuffing.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago
Reply to  MiTurn

That’s racist.

JakeJ
JakeJ
1 year ago

Landslide will be determined by the campaigns. The only sure bet on that one would have been if they passed over Kamalatoe, which they will not do. Not even the Dems are THAT stupid.

BobC
BobC
1 year ago
Reply to  JakeJ

After the Supreme Court’s backing of Trump’s official actions, I seriously doubt any judge would have the guts to lock up Trump. Besides, he’d be out on appeal before sentencing day was over!

vboring
vboring
1 year ago

Polling for Trump might improve as people learn who Harris is and what she’s done. Wasn’t she in charge of border security?

Are we sure a coherent liberal is more electable than an incoherent one?

https://apnews.com/general-news-3400f56255e000547d1ca3ce1aa6b8e9

JakeJ
JakeJ
1 year ago
Reply to  vboring

If the Trump campaign is smart (big “if” considering Trump’s stupid, unhinged comments today) they would focus on illegal immigration and nothing else with her.

onetwothree
onetwothree
1 year ago
Reply to  vboring

A “border Czar” (Kamala’s title) isn’t a real thing. Mayorkas is in charge of border security and his mission was successful: To open it as wide as possible to all comers. What else can the “Department of Homeland Security” do, anyway? It’s right there in the name.

No one voted for him either.

If they stick Kamala in Joe’s basement and make sure the Philadelphia Fixers are in place, they can win just like 2020. Let her loose on a microphone and they’ve got a problem.

By the way, I am convinced they dunked Biden on that debate–he wasn’t on uppers for the first time in a major appearance. His doctor said “No mas”. And Hunter’s connection couldn’t get past security. They won’t do that twice.

Patrick
Patrick
1 year ago

The minute Kamala opens her mouth nationally as the presidential contender, the polls will start dropping. If she could keep quiet and not cackle, maybe she would be better off but still lose.

Sunriver
Sunriver
1 year ago

The Border Czar versus Orange Julius. Funny.

Anyway, Harris is certain to pick a female, if that is allowed to be said in 2024, as V.P.

2024 will bte the girls versus the boys.

Meanwhile, China and Russia press on.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunriver

Nope. Josh Shapiro. That’s why he endorsed her today.

Avery2
Avery2
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunriver

Never underestimate the veejayjay vote!

Michael 28
Michael 28
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunriver

I agree that Josh Shapiro is the logical pick. He’s from Pennsylvania and is tied in with the Jewish neo-con movement. That’s a powerful group with lots of money and the support of the American media. He’d be my pick.

Neal
Neal
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael 28

But would that pick turn off the pro Hamas section of the Dem base? Many will stay away from the polls in places with either a large woke campus or from places like Dearborn which will cost them Michigan.

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
1 year ago

Trump seemed disinterested in 2016 when he debated Hillary. I think Trump comes out full force, but presidential, against Harris in the debates.

MiTurn
MiTurn
1 year ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

Concur. I think his demeanor has changed. Maybe a brush with death has sobered him up a bit.

pete3397
pete3397
1 year ago

On the one hand, “Harris is younger, can actually string sentences together,” and on the other, “Harris is an awkward communicator. She’s prone to gaffes, to awkward jokes, to tortured analogies or stories, and is generally perceived as easy to mock.”

The problem with stringing sentences together is that they should actually convey meaning. Joe can’t do either and the only improvement Kamala brings to the table is the ability to join words together without mumbling. But meaning? She’s almost as addled as Joe. The fact that she is an “awkward communicator” is more indicative of her inability to process complex ideas and foment and articulate clear policy prescriptions. What we get from that article is the rousing campaign slogan of , “Vote for Kamala! You can understand the words she’s saying when she’s speaking nonsense!”

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