Trump was found guilty of a crime, but can anyone say what it is? Prosecutorial misconduct is dripping. It’s the judge, not Trump who belongs in prison.
Guilty on 34 Counts
The Wall Street Journal Editorial Boards discusses A Guilty Verdict for Trump and Its Consequences for the Country
Twelve New York jurors have found Donald Trump guilty of falsifying business records, a total of 34 felony counts, in history’s first criminal conviction of a former President.
What crime was that? Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg eventually settled on a New York election law, rarely enforced, that prohibits conspiracies to promote political candidates “by unlawful means.”
Yet what “unlawful means” did this alleged conspiracy use? The DA’s argument was that there were three: First, the hush money was effectively an illegally large donation to Mr. Trump’s campaign. Second, more business filings were falsified, including bank records for Mr. Cohen’s wire transfer to Ms. Daniels. Third, false statements were made to tax authorities, since Mr. Trump’s repayment of Mr. Cohen was structured as income and “grossed up” to cover the taxes he would need to pay on it.
Did Mr. Trump falsify business records in 2017 to cover up an illegal conspiracy to elect him in 2016, whose unlawful means included false information in Mr. Cohen’s tax return for 2017?
A help to Mr. Bragg’s prosecution is that the jurors were instructed that as long as they were unanimous that Mr. Trump was guilty of falsifying business records to aid or cover up an illegal conspiracy to get him elected, they didn’t all have to agree about which theory of the “unlawful means”. [Mish: Please read this paragraph over and over.]
The conviction sets a precedent of using legal cases, no matter how sketchy, to try to knock out political opponents, including former Presidents. Mr. Trump has already vowed to return the favor. If Democrats felt like cheering Thursday when the guilty verdict was read, they should think again. Mr. Bragg might have opened a new destabilizing era of American politics, and no one can say how it will end.
No Need to Be Unanimous
For some reason this Tweet wont expand here but please consider this Tweet on the judge’s instructions regarding unanimous opinion: https://x.com/Shreddick0/status/1795848967739089152
Appalling Courtroom Instructions
Also see Appalling Courtroom Instructions by the Presiding Judge to Help Convict Trump
Let’s tune into Jonathan Turley’s analysis of Judge Juan Merchan’s instructions to the jury in the New York Hush Money Trial of Trump.
Turley is a legal analyst and author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage“
Prosecutorial and Judicial Misconduct
This case was convoluted in theory and dripping with prosecutorial misconduct and should have been dismissed.
If they can do this to Trump, they can do whatever they want to anyone. And they will, for political purposes.
Ironically, people worried that Trump is dangerous and will abuse power. Think of what Hillary did both in offense and gross obstruction. Nothing.
The prosecutor was sent directly from the DOJ. A state case.
A misdemeanor, on which the Statute of Limitations had run out, was used to produced 34 felony counts on committing a Federal offense for which he was not charged.
This is the emerging face of the US judiciary and legal system. Better hope Democrats do not get the trifecta.
Sincerity
The WSJ opined “We don’t doubt the sincerity of the Manhattan jurors.”
I do. There were even two lawyers on that jury. I accuse them now.
What’s Next?
Obviously and appeal, and an appeals court, if not the Supreme Court, should take it immediately given the consequences.
Also expect Judicial pandering in the opposite direction, with the Hunter Biden case.
Did Biden Gain?
I think he lost. But the first round of polls may not show that. And if the case is tossed with prejudice, it might easily aid Trump.
I Am Outraged
I am outraged but not surprised. But the hypocrites will cheer hoping for a knockout.
They will say “No one is above the law”. Indeed. But no one should be beneath the law either.
Every effort has been made to put Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, and Hillary Clinton above the law. And every effort has been made to put Trump beneath the law, including judicial instructions.
I am outraged and I don’t even care for Trump. Everyone should be outraged. The trial was unfair because there should not have been a trial at all. The judge’s actions were outrageous.
It’s a travesty of justice not just for Trump, but for the United States of America.
I got five thumbs down since my post, which is fine. But I am disappointed that nobody told me what I got wrong. I always learn more talking with people who disagree with me.
Thanks,
J.
Your comment makes perfect sense. He was guilty and he got caught.
Any other person would have just pled guilty and paid the fines. Obviously Trump perceived an advantage in going to trial, so he took it. That is his right.
If 50% of people are prepared to vote for him even after his Jan 6 stunt (which was the REAL travesty), then you should not be surprised that 5 of them showed up here to give you a thumbs down. They’ve got lots of thumbs.
This trial and it’s outcome merely prove that the other 50% who would never vote for Trump are no longer going to rely solely on the legislature and the executive to protect their interests. The lower courts are available and they will use them.
Good point about the thumbs.
Here’s a thumbs up 👍
Mish,
I didn’t understand what you wrote about the jury instructions, so I went and read them. Here’s what the judge wrote about the need to be unanimous. It is the only thing he wrote and he wrote the same thing twice.
Note I am not a lawyer. But I can read and hope I am not too stupid.
“Although you must conclude unanimously that the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means, you need not be unanimous as to what those unlawful means were.” That’s all he says.
Mr. Trump was charged with “Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree.” 34 counts of the same crime.
The instructions explain that there are three statues under which somebody can be charged with Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree. If you believe he is guilty under one of those statues, then it is irrelevant whether or not you believe him guilty under either of the others. That’s all the judge says. Mr. Trump was charged with falsifying business records. He was not charged specifically with violating any of the three statues.
I am not claiming there was no political motivation in this whole thing, but I find the judge’s instructions reasonable given what the defendant was charged with. I recommend people read the instructions if you have not already.
Primary Sources, who’d a thought.
It’s the only way to figure out what’s really going on. Plus, it stops people from BSing around. They’d have to read the material themselves to decide what to say and that would be too much trouble.
Great sentiment, Mish. I would go a lot further than you, and say that we should put ALL the judges in jail and start again.
Exactly correct!
I have friends who are judges.
It’s an odd self selecting archetype – he who desires to judge others over capricious arbitrary frequently immoral rules.
10% of people on Death Row are proven innocent.
4% of executed people are innocent.
The government needs to be forced to provide DNA tests to Capital cases. They’d rather kill you than be proven wrong.
Think about that for a minute.
Or maybe just abolish capital punishment.
No sorry Mike. You’re good on stat’s.
The people have failed their government.
The government has not failed the people,
That’s what a democracy is. You have to educate people to think enough to see fallacy and then eradicate it.
We effef up and are getting everything we deserve. At this point the government is unrecoverable and TV zombies will never be able to rectify it.
Of course psychopaths will always ascend then exploit the kind for their own ends. It’s all aggregated societies have ever been. The exceptions are the benevolent dictators and strong men like Xi, Khadafi and Putin through whose efforts their people become more prosperous, hopeful and EDUCATED.
sarcasm?
It appears my comments were deleted.
Interesting, if we don’t like an opinion, just erase their words.
Anywho, back to celebrating Trump’s conviction, have a great weekend…everyone.
“Interesting, if we don’t like an opinion, just erase their words.”
the irony of this statement coming from someone who is celebrating subversion of justice & our constitutional republic is… revealing. yikes.
Oh pull the other one. Trump committed crimes and was convicted for some of them. End of story.
More to come. And you will sit and watch it happen, because you know I’m right.
Delusional… straight from the cable teevee news script.
See you Nov. 5th… bring your diapers.
“If they can do this to Trump, they can do whatever they want to anyone. And they will, for political purposes.”
Duh!
And still the gullible dupes will keep flaunting their brain death and indoctrination; by blindly and mindlessly regurgitating that “Our” Dear Leaders are; in any way whatsoever; somehow “better” than either Putin, Xi, Chavez or who have you.
As well as the even more obviously nonsensical drivel that “rule of law” by now differs in any way at all, from entirely arbitrary rule; enforced by trashy careerist idiot ambulance chasers on the make; which is what it actually refers to.
The Wall Street Journal editorial wrote “Mr. Bragg might have opened a new destabilizing era of American politics, and no one can say how it will end.”
I have thought of this and Democratic party tendencies for some time. I would move ‘destabilizing’ to another sentence. At first it will seem like a more stable period in America, where the Democrats always win, and police power is used to suppress any deplorables rising up against how the new one-party rule system rules us.
Unknown how long it will take before that one-party rule accumulates enough misrule to produce insurrection in its own voters. – Recent elections in South Africa tell us that it took 30 years to produce 30% unemployment, economic stagnation and rampant crime, which then led to the ANC failing to win a majority. But who needs a majority when you have constitutional one-party rule neighbors like Zimbabwe?
Democrats always win? I’m thinking Gorsech or Comey-Barret (Sorry about the spelling). Cavenaugh was a legit if unfortunate appointment. I’m thinking Dobbs. And yet, Democrats win when votes are cast and that’s what democracy is all about.
People seem to think that Peter Pan is set to vanquish Capt. Hook and set the world back to a crocodile free existence.
Me, I’ll stick with someone who thinks on their feet and in the courtroom sizes up his opposition.
He laid his plan all out in his latest add. While all the Lawfare was around him he did not waste time drawing doodles waiting for his fate to be decided by a host of morons.
Am really starting to Like this man a Lot.
My best part of the trial was the time Trump’s lawyer Susan Necheles tried to impugn Stormy’s profession by repeating her assertion that Don was an ORANGE TURD. My immediate question was: Which is the bigger whore?
The only good news coming out of all of this is that the US Olympic Committee has now nominated Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and JD Vance to compete in the Sycophancy competition at the Paris Olympics. The Chinese used to win this competition, but this year we are going to sweep the medals.
Not outraged! Was the country outraged that the only crime that Al Capone was convicted of was a tax law violation? Powerful and wealthy people can hire the best lawyers and financially exhaust accusers using legal delay tactics, appeals, etc. They can use NDAs to keep people quiet, and settlements to make legal problems disappear when they arise. Where is the outrage over Donald Trump’s lifetime of settlements and NDAs that have been used to shield him from being held legally accountable like every other ordinary person? This falsification of business records case is related to just another one of Donald Trump’s acts of sleaze, disloyalty, and dishonesty. The only difference this time is that his accusers were a government that he could not buy off or force to go away. The facts were presented, and twelve jurors sat in a room with no other influencing factors and found Donald Trump guilty of all charges brought against him.
funny guy.
the charges we bogus and stuck.
theae charges could be implemented on any American and would stick just the same. thereis no crime. there is no law and there is no order.
this will be the begining of the end…..
what will come next? change in our legal system? jail the insider traders? i bet , martha Stewart cannot wait to see Peloski serve her time….. or Bodens son, turn over his books. fair play….. or will this all be awept under the rug.
i suspect, the big revelation is just arpund the corner.
the real criminals will be jailed soon enough. civil war may result at first. and many career politicians from both sides will be jailed, soon.
Not funny at all! Twelver jurors independently reviewed the facts of the case, the presentation of both the defense and prosecution, and rendered a unanimous opinion of guilty on all counts. There was no one else in that deliberation room, and there was no conspiracy among those twelve jurors selected with the agreement from both sides. Donald Trump, as he has always done, violated the trust of his spouse, who he swore to be faithful to, ran for President, and two weeks before the election, had his equally sleazy friends and employees silence the woman who he was unfaithful with to help his election chances. He did not pay the woman who he had an affair with directly, although, on tape, he wanted her paid in cash. Instead, he had his attorney pay her with his money, and then he paid the attorney back as a retainer fee to cover up the true nature of the transaction. Is that sleazy? Yes, of course! Is that deceitful? Yes! Was he trying to hide the payment from his wife and family? Probably! Was he also trying to hide this disgraceful behavior from voters? Yes! Was all this done to benefit Donald Trump and Donald Trump alone? Absolutely! This man has been skirting being legally accountable for over 40 years for the unethical, immoral, and illegal actions that have defined his life. There is good reason why the people who knew him best, New Yorkers, nicknamed him “Don the Con.”
I didn’t care about Clinton lying about an affair in the White House, I don’t care about Trump hiding an affair during an election. Both of the attempts to gain political advantage through means other than elections are/were disgusting and worthy of condemnation.
Liberals have no claim on “the moral high ground” today. Just the opposite.
Both should have been fired the instant it was proven that they were lying.
Free speech needs a carve out for lying.
Trump is out there this morning insulting the judge. I hope the judge tacks on a few years to Trump’s sentence. Imagine the republicans destroying their own party for this crook, liar and conman.
Agreed. Merchan is a crook, liar and conman.
He’s trump’s daddy now, and he’s going to take him out behind the woodshed and paddle his poopy butt.
No, he’s probably going to fine him and put him on probation.
Sit on it
Now, Trump is a martyr and he is now more than likely going to win. Good job Democrats!
How is that going to happen? I thought the election was rigged.
Do you people even hear the nonsense that comes out of your mouths?
yer rite, Hillary said it was rigged, what say you?
if the election can be rigged. it will be quite obvious this time around. so obvious perhaps a civil war would result. things from both sides appear to be perfectly scripted. …..
trump willgo to jail.
trump will amass 60%+ of the votes. and somehow
Biden will win again!
the chemistry is all in front of us?
the corrupt govt will need to swept out. both sides.
lije in Argentina or at Twitter. 50 to 80% of the govt needs to be dissolved and or jailed…. books balanced. taxes reformed…..
a real reset.
It’s only rigged when Trump loses! Just like the justice system, it is only rigged when it renders judgment on Donald Trump. Had he been found innocent, Trump would have praised the justice system. Donald Trump will trash anyone and anything that tries to hold him accountable. He will praise anyone who praises him and helps further his goals. He is the most prolific con man we have seen in modern times. Madoff is high on the list, but Trump took his artistry of deceit and corruption beyond money when he entered politics, and that made him number one on the list of con men of modern times.
Agreed. Bidens next move should be to agree to pardon Trump either absolutely or perhaps on the condition that Trump owns up to his crime.
Ridiculous Trump committed no crime – in this case
Second – this is a state crime. Biden could not pardon it if he wanted to
thank you. yes. trump commited no crime, Mish. the charges layed could be applied to any one reading this forum. the outcome? the same.
the judge was rulling on a results driven agenda.
trump will go to jail?
win the elcetion. biden may steal the election,
this time the democrats will not be able to hide the theft.
causing civil war?
house cleaning couldnt be any more obvious.
lije in Argentina or at twotter 50 to 80% of the govt will need to look for work, elsewhere. balance the books. and many people will need to go to jail.
who will do this job? maybe Trump…. not likely anyone else….. so far.
Trump is bringing people together, just got invited to a “felony fajitas” party. The invite states that the fajitas will be grilled and seasoned with 34 herbs and spices. There will be 34 oz beer mugs and a 34 shot drinking game. Celebration starts at 12:34. Whoop!
I wrote back and asked if I could bring in my own felony filet mignon to be grilled and seasoned with my own 34 herbs and spices and it was a go!
Thanks Trump, bringing friends and family together for a better world.
Trump raised $35 million last night alone. Record haul. Anyone who thinks they know how things are going to play out over the next 5 months is crazy.
we can only guess….
and lijely Trump will have at least 60% support come November.
losing again? would easily show the world the massive corruption. civil war could result after november.
could this then lead to cleaning house like in Argentina or at twitter? layong of 50 to 80% of the govt?
readers should be remarking: “One down, one more to go.”
who is next? Biden? his son? Bill Clinton? Bush junior? Peloski? i suspect there os a massive bias here to which felons need to be jailed.
Apparently they did not specify what the supposed felony was.
replace Trump’s name with yours…. this verdict had nothing to do with Law, just order.
every American can be charged with the same charges…… there is no rule of law. and this is the statement made the other day.
I will not lose a minute of sleep worrying about justice being served upon me for paying off someone who I had an affair with to keep it out of the public eye and then covering up the payment by calling it a legal expense.
My only hope now is that trump gets the maximum sentence for this crime as he shows no remorse. Yesterday was the justice systems shining moment. A great day for America.
LOL
Our country has a political cancer that is now worse than before this trial. We’re a collapsing empire where rule of law is a theory not a fact.
This is clear. Russia and China just can’t wait to take over America. They need it more than Americans do.
He won’t get the maximum sentence. Get out of your media bubble and think for yourself.
so whats the sentence for a misdemeanor these days according to liberal asshole democrats like your self/ 50 years?
You would garner some respect if you would also call out the Biden crime family and the Clintons as well. Whom literally did what Trump did 6 times. But know you liberals cant look in the mirror can you.
Yours days coming.
This is how the system of checks and balances the Founding Fathers created is supposed to work. A branch tried to take over and become a dictatorship, and got slapped down for it.
The good thing about all this is that it tested a system we never had to use before. It was rickety and inefficient, but it got the job done. Now it’s in a stronger position to deal with the next wannabe dictator. We were lucky it was someone as stupid as trump this time… a virile, competent leader might have pulled it off.
simmer-down Chester the molester
dictatorship, funny. and the ones avoiding chatges and jail are the ones acusing trump….. odd
Can we get back to economics now? The Core PCE came out and it wasn’t good. I miss typing, “It’s turtles all the way down and inflation all the way up!”
https://www.bea.gov/news/2024/personal-income-and-outlays-april-2024
Well that’s kind of interesting Zerohedge says Trump and Kennedy are going to have a Town Hall meeting on X.
JB won’t attend.
They should continue the debate on other occasions and just skip dealing with JB.
He can go hide in his basement again. After all he is as sharp as a tack and does not need to lower himself to a live discussion.
Cancel JB. I like the sound of that strategy.
Trump and Kennedy can then discuss stewardship of the Nation without distraction.
Appears someone was doing some quite time thinking while DT was sitting in a courtroom past several weeks.
The ends justify the means crowd doesn’t care about truth or justice or anything else.
The mainstream media is literal dictionary definition propaganda and will convince millions that this was normal judicial proceedings and justice.
“I Am Outraged” – Mish
Where was your outrage when Michael Cohen went to prison for this same crime?
It wasn’t the same. That’s the point.
JEB! (please applaud) is still available. Does anybody ever stop to think that one thing Carter saved the country from was a fat, drunk, degenerate President Teddy Kennedy?
Historically, weaponizing the law (on this level) usually ends up in a good place. What has happened in the space between however….I would rather not discuss those details. If we do get our crates and crates of classified info like Napoleon did regarding persecution of people by the Church and their band of criminal police so to speak, it’s going to be a glorious event.
The sweet, sweet tears of Trump simps are so delicious in my morning coffee.
They’ll be having copium, again, decaf.
They will come for you next…I hope.
That would involve me committing crimes and making a public spectacle of myself, so, not likely. I’ll let you know if they do though.
Just what I expected from Trump supporters…
https://www.threads.net/@graham_beever
ROFL! Dey mad. That guy snapping his shirt… I’m dying!
Please don’t die now – wait for the Russian Hypersonic Fireworks show! Coming soon to a coastal theater near you.
Mish opposed Trump in 2020 and won’t vote for him in 2024.
When Trump announced he was running in 2024 I said I wouldn’t vote for him, period. I feel compelled to now.
oh please, you were going to vote for trump no matter what. All these clowns coming out of the woodwork saying they weren’t going to vote but now a felon is their hero and they are going to vote is just plain sad.
You aren’t fooling anyone. if I recall, Mish voted for trump in 2020 and he said he wasn’t sure what he would do this election.
I suspect when polls come out they will either have barely moved or gone negative for Trump. It’s the independents that matter and trump was hurt by this no matter what people here think or say. He’s a bonafide felon 34 times over now.
Until all of this gets overturned on appeal…
No. I was done with him and voted against him in the primaries. It might not make a difference nationally, but I’m likely switching from RFK back.
It might work out just the way you want it to, Biden re-elected and continuing on our current path. Or Biden might lose to a convicted felon. We’ll see what happens.
Indeed, these are strange times. One must take one’s giggles where one may.
Yes. Here are some from our (possible) next Great Leader:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OyyBQDNg77Y
God save us!
perhaps trump will get a tough sentence, maybe Biden will get one too? followed by Clinton, obama and bush?
Sky Wizard,
How very Grinchy of you.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oZXU6mPzl7g&pp=ygUPR3JpbmNoIGNvbmZ1c2Vk
Right out of the Republican spin manual
Say what you want about Joe Biden but he never raped his own wife or f*cked a porn star and then tried to cover up the hush money when he paid for her silence. That Republicans would defend a rapist and a felon for president says everything you need to know about them as people.
No. He just peddles his influence using his son as salesman. It generates lots of cash for the family.
I don’t like those things about Trump, either. But let’s face it, many succesful, high-power individuals have a huge sex drive. NDAs are probably way more common than you think. And what about Bill Clinton’s many sexual indiscretions? Those are okay?
Also, Biden, at a minimum, was fooling around with Jill the babysitter while she was still married to Bill Stevenson. The official story about how Joe & Jill met on a blind date is a load of bunk. Stephenson was an early Biden political supporter and they all four met when Joe’s first wife was still alive. Biden is no angel.
If Biden has been committing crimes all this time, it was on Trump to do something about it while he was in power, and had both branches of congress on his side.
If that election was rigged, it was on the president, President Trump, to prevent that from happening.
Instead he played golf, told people to drink disinfectant, and whined and whined and whined about how everyone was mean to him and how it was the most unfair thing that ever happened to anybody ever and how big men with tears in their eyes came up to him all the time saying “sir…”. Just play any speech of his. He covers it EVERY time. He has no ideas. He has grievances.
That’s my memory of his Presidency also – just airing of grievances……every day.
house cleaning can only begin when everyone in america sees how much house cleaning is needed. this is only the beginning. peloski, Biden, clinton, obama , bush junior are next…..
Maybe not. But Bill Clinton did. Timw to try that MFer NOW in a Texas or Florida court
You misunderstand: This is their definition of manliness. This is what they want for your daughter. They’ve submitted their entire identity to trump.
I’d settle for avoiding war with the most heavily nuke-armed country in the world. I guess I’m just old-fashioned.
An admirable goal, shared by Neville Chamberlain… but I don’t think it would work out this time either.
There’s going to be war. We can fight it with Europe in control of Europe, or we can appease and fight it with Russia in control of Europe, but there’s going to be war.
Yesterday Russia was a gas station, and all of a sudden it aims to control Europe. You neocon chickenhawks better remember what you said half an hour ago.
Not the ol’ Neville Chamberlain bit again! There’s more than one lesson to learn from history. Talk about carrying a hammer and seeing everything as a nail. I’m old enough to remember when we had actual diplomacy. Are you comfortable being in the same lunatic club as John McCain, Bill Kristol and Lindsay Graham? Most Russophobes simultaneously believe that Russia is have a tough time defeating Ukraine and that Russia is poised to invade Western Europe. That’s called cognitive dissonance. You really want to play nuclear chicken over a border dispute in the Ukraine? And they call Trump crazy…
You want to be a coward hiding in your hole and talking bad about my country, you go right ahead. Just know that we won’t forget.
Ironic. It’s Biden who is a coward that can only come out of hiding for scripted events.
Who’s “we” ? The CIA? Were you part of their PropOrNot project that sprung up the day after the election in 2016? Dude, you’re one of the bad guys.
ah, yes. aomething i can agree with. there will be war. the deep state need one to awing things around, again . law and order or disorder is just a distraction ….
You may want to go read about what happened when this style of lawfare took place in Europe over the centuries. If we end up in that situation everyone will be wishing it would have never started on both sides. Especially people that egged it on. Those people will suffer far worse than anyone else.
Tara Reade. You know, the moment the “me too” movement died. “Believe all women”, except Tara Reade. Biden sure does love grabbing them by the pussy. You have no high ground. You never did.
For financial firms, today is end of month. A lot of extra accounting, risk measures and so forth are required by law and/or creditors at end of month.
There are 30 calendar days until end of quarter, which involves even more reporting requirements, more risk measures, more counter-party exposure analysis. Thirty calendar days is not much time at all.
There are many insurance companies, REITs and regional banks with heavy exposure to NYC and NY state. Yesterday, the world learned the collateral these companies hold is worth only a fraction of what we thought. They are insolvent and everyone is going to want to know who has exposure.
We all expected the Trump Derangement crowd in NYC to rig this case, and Trump isn’t the most sympathetic person. But the brazen attack by NY courts upon the rule of law was way over the top. The ruling didn’t change my opinion of Trump, but it sure as hell made me rethink NY state.
Decades ago, Bloomberg terminal started reporting residential real estate exposures by state, and the other services followed closely afterward. Many investors and bank regulators explicitly stated and enforced caps on what percentage exposure to California mortgages was allowed. The same is now going to happen to CA and NY commercial property.
In addition to a mad scramble to assess CRE and CMBS exposure in NY state, many of us need to step back and ask if we want to continue to interact with commenters who are all too obviously here just to piss everyone off.
Mish needs to decide whether to add a much much stronger comment control mechanism … one controlled by readers not by Mish (who presumably doesn’t want to be responsible for bad apples).
Online advertisers everywhere need to think carefully about the types of blogs and media properties they choose to advertise on.
Plenty of us would not socialize with Trump outside of work, but we also know not to throw the baby out with the bath water. The folks with Trump Derangement Syndrome are insane. You don’t burn down all of New York City just to stick it to one man you don’t like, and who doesn’t live in NYC anymore
Associating with mental patients is bad for business and bad for our mental health. Period. But nothing. We all need to step away from California and New York for our own well being
I would like it if I didn’t need to keep blocking the same nutcases here. Mish’s posts are fine, but a lot of the comments are unhinged.
this is a great example how the deep state will play both sides. this is too easy for trump to NOT lose. and when he loses the election, LET the riots begin! (part of the higger plan?)
can this be any more obvious? Civil War then war againat other nations the collapse of finacical systems before 2030?
Will for the win!
It’s all fake
It’s the lefts turn to gloat
The right will mope
Rinse repeat
LOL The last time Mish Shedlock was right about anything was @2008. 😀 His economic advice has been so wrong for so long that he’s reduced to right wing trolling.
MAGAs should be ashamed for foisting this sh*tstain of a man on the presidency. Everything you need to know about the ethical quality of modern Republicans is reflected in their choice of candidates: a convicted felon and rapist.
insight is not measured by right or wrong….. neither take a pokitical stance right or left. many of us sit on the fence or are centred. Mish? i suspect he like many here, lean slightly right.
Mish has always been in the rare class of non interventionists –
It’s not a popular position in a bifurcated nation:
“one nation under propaganda for which they’ll never understand”
It’s all fake.
Think what insanity despotic countries have induced their people too?
Throw in the window into each and every mind and their control is absolute.
Absolute nonsense. Trump was not convicted of rape.
After all, it was Her turn.
Then why are you here?
I think this case shows that the American judicial system is now and always has been deeply flawed and biased. The random selection of juries obviously doesn’t work. Even billionaires can’t afford attorneys with the competence to weed out biased jurors. Nor afford attorneys who can persuade said flawed jurors as to the fundamental innocence of the defendant. And if jurors can’t be expected to see through the blatant abuse of state power, what is the point of our system? Every American convicted of a felony must immediately have their records expunged and be released from prison. This whole thing is eye opening and an outrage!
part of the bigger picture? Trump needed to lose. he needs to be “charged”. why? to expose the bias the xorruption and to allow the next person in charge in 2024 or after civil war, what to do with those who are okay with corruption.
i would like to think. this decision will make it very easy to have half Americans go after those who rip off Americans. Biden, Obama, Clintons, Bidens…. consider this just the beginning of the rally towards cleaning house. (drain the swamp)
note. Argentina cut half the govt jobs. and is still functioning! Twitter also ut 75+% of its labor force. still functioning.
covid demonatrated Amercia can keep 2/3 of the people home for nearly two years. and the 1/3 supported the entire country!
enough is enough. time to lay off the non essential services in gov’t…. and start from scratch. balance the books and riae up from the ashes
WtGF: “i would like to think. this decision will make it very easy to have half Americans go after those who rip off Americans. Biden, Obama, Clintons, Bidens…. consider this just the beginning of the rally towards cleaning house. (drain the swamp)
note. Argentina cut half the govt jobs. and is still functioning! Twitter also cut 75+% of its labor force. still functioning.
covid demonatrated Amercia can keep 2/3 of the people home for nearly two years. and the 1/3 supported the entire country!
enough is enough. time to lay off the non essential services in gov’t…. and start from scratch.”
+1000000000
The US government (federal, state and local) will be decimated in size and scope
100%
Fire everyone start over
We get to see hypocrisy on parage again – all those with Trump Derangement Syndrome, who ignorantly applaud this travesty of justice, are the same ones who complain about minorities getting railroaded by the courts. Ironically, it is the people that have gotten railroaded by corrupt courts that are likely to sympathize with Trump in Nov.
This is the same phenomena that occurs with immigrants that come to this country from Socialist hellholes. They understand the true consequences of Govt largess, while ignoramuses in this country would not recognize the truth if it hit them upside the head with a baseball bat, which is the consequence of ideological subversion (watch Yuri Bezmenov interview). There’s a reason these people are called “Useful Idiots”, and they will be the first to be discarded by the regime.
Hmm. Perhaps AI should be used in the judicial system to replace judges.
Great article and well stated. The Dem’s & media will focus on Trump. To your point, like or dislike Trump this is about the process which is at the very heart of America. Free & fair justice.
After perusing the comments here I decided to create a questionnaire to determine if you are a dumn f*ck. Here is a set of questions that will help determine if you are a dumb f*ck, sh*t for brains, cult conspiracy moron. If you answer yes to 5 or more of these questions, then you fit the bill. (I’m hoping to get more down votes than any previous post I have made). Enjoy!
You know you’re a dumb f*ck if:
1. You believe the earth is flat.
2. You are anti-science, anti-vax, anti-government, anti-establishment.
3. You believe the 2020 election was rigged and that Trump actually won.
4. Your eyes glaze over when someone mentions math or science.
5. You believe that man never landed on the moon.
6. You believe global warming is a hoax.
7. You think that government always screws things up, but you are desperate to vote in a new government, because this one will be different.
8. You believe the pandemic was a hoax.
9. You think that plants die when CO2 gets below 350 ppm.
10. You constantly whine, bitch and complain about government, yet you expect government to improve your personal life.
11. You believe smoking cigarettes is good for you because a handful of scientists said so.
12. You believe that “the powers that be” deliberately want to impoverish you.
13. You think that we need even more CO2 in the atmosphere, for the plants.
14. You would rather believe a handful of “scientists” who don’t actually work in a field, rather than thousands who do.
15. You believe a handful of people who promoted snake oil to prevent covid.
16. You believe that Trump is innocent.
17. You think that net-zero means no CO2 in the atmosphere.
18. You think that all governments, corporations, educational institutions, insurance companies, militaries, etc etc are in cahoots about global warming in order to impoverish and control you.
19. You believe that the covid vaccines were NOT safe and effective.
20. You believe that the main street media is rigged and prefer to get your into from tik-tok and cult conspiracy web sites.
21. You have been expecting a depression worse than the 1930s for the last 30-50 years.
22. You never bought a house because prices would come back down in the next depression.
23. You never invested in stocks because the next market crash is always imminent.
24. You think all government statistics are lies.
25. You think the energy transition is going well and that we will “soon”’reverse global warming.
You still think you are safe from confiscation by edict.
26 You think oil stocks are going up.
27 You think oil stocks are going down.
28 You think oil has something to do with gasoline but aren’t sure.
29 You think photosynthesis stops under 250 ppm of CO2.
30 You think renewables and EVs will make a significant difference in emissions “soon”.
31 You think that plastics can be made in quantity from something other than oil and gas.
32 You think nitrogen fertilizer can easily be made from something other than natural gas
33 You think that rockets can’t be reusable
34 You think that hybrids don’t burn much more than ICE or EVs
35 You think that nitrogen fertilizer from the Bosch process can’t be made using coal, peat, biomass or anything that contains large amounts of carbon
Ironic that you implicity consider yourself a science believer, yet don’t understand how science works
Papa, you say all the time that you don’t care about politics, and yet you keep commenting on Mish’s political posts. I’m beginning to see a contradiction in what you say and what you do. What gives?
Mish has a number of paid political agitators, including Papadave and Casual observer. For some reason he does not ban their comments, and on occasion he highlights their thoughts.
Of course, Mish has freedom of speech as do Soros’ paid employees. The have a right to speak (or comment). We have a right not to listen, not to read their comments, not to respond to them.
The rest of us have freedom of association. We will be viewed by the company we keep. If we keep company with and interact with Soros paid losers, that is how we will be known. Think about the reputation you want to have before engaging with these losers in the future.
You will be known by the commenters you choose to interact with, even if you don’t like it.
Mish has to decide whether to allow paid agitators to piss off and alienate his audience. He has to decide whether to add a feature where certain commenters do not appear at all, PERMANENTLY — hiding specific comments until you reboot your computer or restart your browser (aka reseting cookies of hidden commenters) is insufficient
Wow! You caught us.
Yes. Casual and myself are both highly paid by Mish to generate comments.
I have been so good at it that Mish has DOUBLED my commission rate every year.
33 You think that Mish is a puppet of Soros
34 You think that Mish IS Soros
35 You think that PapaDave and Casual are paid shills for Mish
Your 100% fake.
No one likes a blatant liar.
Your erudition belies your cognitive capacity – it’s impossible to spew lies that eloquently and not know their lies.
FAKE FAKE FAKE
It’s they’re, not their.
Yeah your correct about that.
Papa is Jewish you can tell by his syntax. He’s 100% fake. And the Soros angle yeah that’s spot on too.
Mish was a middle of the roader since before his wife passed away from ALS.
The issue is?
Are only the compromised allowed to surface from the noise on Zero like Mish?
I’d like to think SmoothieX? Mish and a few others are more than just honey traps.
Then again it may be all they are.
Everyone has a price.
You know you’re a dumb Fu@% if you’re Papa Dave!
You misspelled fuck.
Xx. You think a stockpile and stacks of cash will magically stop lead projectiles at 2300fps and you can save yourself because “all I need is profit baby!!!”
Given all that, what are your recommendations for day-trading options before the close?
Sorry. I was busy day-trading and hadn’t checked back.
Lets see. So far today:
Sold FANG, bought it back, just sold it again.
Bought some CHORD, then sold it.
Bought and sold some SU.
Bought and sold some SPGYF.
Did some of that while I was out for my run.
That’s it so far. Slow day.
Break’s over. Back to trading.
While you get some things right you have now proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that we can only conclude one of 3 things about you either
Your fake
Your an idiot
Your hopelessly brainwashed
With this post you’ve moved into the brainwashed category:
13. You think that we need even more CO2 in the atmosphere, for the plants.
We don’t need it but the plants appreciate it.
6. You believe global warming is a hoax.
Hoax implies a charade as opposed to malevolent forces fabricating an illusion for psychopathic reasons. It’s not a hoax.
9. You think that plants die when CO2 gets below 350 ppm.
They stop growing at 350 ppm and some plants wither – every % below that they wither more.
Why do they pump co2 into greenhouses well above 400 ppm – filled with plants, flowers, weed and food.
I’m a scientist BTW
Your pretty good with most things except you took the Poison Climate Pill.
I have brilliant friends also encumbered
Wow. Another great day trading the market. I made a bundle this afternoon. How did you do?
Now where were we. Oh yeah.
“I’m a scientist BTW”
Lol! You’re a dumb scientist.
You think that plants die when CO2 drops below 350 ppm. Yet CO2 levels were less than that (170 ppm to 300 ppm) for the last 3 million years. Why didn’t the plants all die?
And CO2 was a steady 280 ppm for the last 10,000 years when man learned to cultivate crops. The crops did just fine. In fact plants have evolved to thrive at that level.
C’mon “scientist”. Explain why the plants survived the last 3 million years when they should have all died according to you.
By the way, your writing is sub-par.
It should be you’re fake. You’re an idiot. The contraction for “you are”.
Meanwhile, the American heroes who raped and killed little girls in South Vietnam in front of their even younger sisters, and machine gunned babies, still haven’t done a day in prison. Judeo-Christian society is a joke.
100%
Vile and disgusting we live amongst moral rot,
“Judeo-Christian society is a joke.”
America was a joke by the late 60s. It’s only gotten worse since.
By the late 60s, America was no longer a neither Jewish, Christian nor Judeo-Christian society. Nor, honestly, even a society with any positive traits left anymore.
That’s not to say that places like The Vatican is necessarily all that, either. But blaming the complete and utter manureshow which is the current West on Moses and Jesus; is an awful lot more farfetched than blaming it on NOT(Moses or Jesus)
Well said Mish!
Your top 10 in this is your life, Mish. Your finest hour.
So well said, and I am not a big Trump supporter either
You’re next Joe Biden. This time you won’t be determined too frail, too weak, and too incompetent to stand trial.
The FBI spying on Trump, using a known bogus opposition research document to lie to the FISA court. Convicted of doing what every bank in this country is currently doing, what every startup seeking funding does, in spite of the alleged victims not complaining. Banana republic – sure. Or is a polonium Big Mac next?
FJB and NYC
I’ve been to Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland – even Flint and Gary, but nowhere have I seen rats scurrying around the streets as openly as in NYC.
Yup. I’ve made my last trip into the city. I travel through upstate NY several times per year. I don’t stop for gas, food or anything. I spend no money in New York.
Full faith and trust in the US is gone.
Seems to me there are very few people who comprehend implications of what happened.
Everything you have worked your whole Life for is now subject to seizure by a Corrupt Prosecutor backed up by a Corrupt Judge acting upon orders from some piece of SHIT politician behind the scenes.
Trump has now been awarded the Red Badge of Courage. He will wear it well and many there will be who will self identify with him having experienced their own form of gaining the Red Badge.
What interests me is what happens next. This is not a stand-alone event. It is a campagne. No one really expects that this will cause Trump supporters to drop him. The independents who would go against Trump now are probably balanced by those who would now vote for him after this ridiculous verdict so what is the next act? This has enraged Trump supporters and it was designed to do so. The next part would be to encourage some of them to commit violent acts which would give the DOJ reason to open investigations that would necessarily be much more serious than the January 6 one. If done properly, reasonable cause could be found to charge him with something truly serious that would remove him from the race and probably his liberty as well and serve as a warning to others. I now wait to see whether we have the “incidents” for the next phase to go forward.
– “This has enraged Trump supporters and it was designed to do so. The next part would be to encourage some of them to commit violent acts which would give the DOJ reason to open investigations that would necessarily be much more serious than the January 6 one”
> Hit that nail squarely on the head Doug! This is their only hope, if they are to pull off a win in this election. They must get the enemy (Republicans) to freak out like they (Democrats) do, and then have the DOJ do a massive investigation launch into Trump supporters and/or any opposition to their plans.
Unfortunately if any reason is given, even by them but phony (think Jesse S.) and done well enough to look like something, and they will run with that right up to the election. They hide the truth, so for them it’s just another way of pushing their Agenda!
Frank Bruni is an excellent writer. I think this column offers the POV that Trump supporters want to hear – that, as has been said numerous times in the past, Trump could literally shoot someone on 5th Ave. in NYC and his supporters would not care one way or the other.
really? Shoot someone. Good lord
As it was, very few people were reading the NYTimes. Its a way to get a crossword puzzle, sudoku puzzle and some fireplace kindling.
Today, the two people in my office who still subscribe to the NYTimes will cancel their subscriptions effective immediately, or they clean out their desks.
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NYC is dead, and this time even Rudy Guilianni can not save it
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YES SUR Boss! [rotflol]
Your problem as all Dems is that you are incapable of comprehending that Trump supporters are not Dems. Nor do they think like Dems. You are the lemmings running in mass off the cliff into oblivion.
We are not.
Unfortunately for you, your observations and reality are living in a world of delusion. This colors your analysis so that perception only comes out aligned with your beliefs.
It has become impossible for you to think for yourself.
The other side has a value system based upon judicial fairness and rule of Law where Justice is Blind rather then Justice is what the Dems say it is. This is beyond your abilities at this time.
I’m actually an Independent.
This may be the Black Swan Event. Time will tell.
Ridiculous case – but ridiculous to claim he is not guilty. Would be better to use the column inches to suggest how to stop the US judicial system from becoming so political. If the US doesnt get a grip of this it is going to become a real problem to society. That is the real issue, not whether some self serving adulterer has been caught out.
wasn’t that Mish whole point????????????????
Guilty of what???
NDA’s are not illegal. There is no law against “NDAing While Running for Office” (NWRO, you know, like DWI)
Donald Trump, Felon
May 30, 2024
By The Editorial Board – The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding values. It is separate from the newsroom.
In a humble courtroom in Lower Manhattan on Thursday, a former president and current Republican standard-bearer was convicted of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. The jury’s decision, and the facts presented at the trial, offer yet another reminder — perhaps the starkest to date — of the many reasons Donald Trump is unfit for office.
The guilty verdict in the former president’s hush-money case was reached by a unanimous jury of 12 randomly selected New Yorkers, who found that Mr. Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee for president, was guilty of falsifying business records to prevent voters from learning about a sexual encounter that he believed would have been politically damaging.
Americans may wonder about the significance of this moment. The Constitution does not prohibit those with a criminal conviction from being elected or serving as commander in chief, even if they are behind bars. The nation’s founders left that decision in the hands of voters. Many experts have also expressed skepticism about the significance of this case and its legal underpinnings, which employed an unusual legal theory to seek a felony charge for what is more commonly a misdemeanor, and Mr. Trump will undoubtedly seek an appeal.
Yet the greatest good to come out of this sordid case is the proof that the rule of law binds everyone, even former presidents. Under extraordinary circumstances, the trial was conducted much like any other criminal trial in the city. That 12 Americans could sit in judgment of the former and potentially future president is a remarkable display of the democratic principles that Americans prize at work.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/30/opinion/trump-trial-guilty-felony.html
The Times just told on themselves. Everyone can see that the justice system there does not hold everyone to the same standard.
I’m sure your parents told you many times when you were growing up that life was not fair?