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Trump Says Iran’s Response Is “Totally Unacceptable” OK, So What?

“I Don’t Like It,” Says Trump.

According to Iran’s proposed plan, the current phase of negotiations will be focused exclusively on the cessation of hostilities in the region, not nuclear weapons.

Iran gave no further details.

I have just read the response from Iran’s so-called “Representatives.” I don’t like it — TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE! Thank you for your attention to this matter. President DONALD J. TRUMP

That was a damn feeble response by Trump.

OK, Mr. President, what are you going to do about it besides whine on Truth Social.

Earlier today I noted With Clock Ticking, Iran Submits Its Response to the US. Pressure on Trump

Details are scarce, likely because there purposely aren’t any. That’s a brilliant response with no hype or irrational demands on the US.

It’s a simple proposal to stop the war and open up the strait. 90 percent of the world wants the strait open and hostilities to end.

Israel and the warmongers don’t like this starting point, but that’s about it. However, it would make Trump back down, making him look like the loser he is.

Pressure Points

  • Pressure Point One: Trump for whatever reason is beholden to Israel. He also listens to warmongers like Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham. Some believe it’s Epstein blackmail. Whatever, the reason it’s real.
  • Pressure Point Two: The second pressure point on Trump comes from rising oil prices, fertilizer prices, farmers, independents, and everyone who is sick of this stupid war. US allies are also applying pressure, even China.
  • Pressure Point Three: Himself. Trump cannot admit he made a mistake. He wants a better deal than Obama and Iran is unwilling to give it. Iran’s response today was simple and brilliant. Open up the strait for 30 days.

It’s clear Trump does not want to escalate because of inflation and depletion of missiles. He’s been making excuses for not retaliating.

Trump’s Three Losing Options

  1. War with unknown consequences
  2. A humiliating deal that lets oil pass through while negotiations continue
  3. Status quo and rising inflation, gasoline prices, fertilizer prices, diesel, etc.

So which is it?

It seems Trump is set to fume for a few days, perhaps just a few hours. Then depending on what mood he’s in, he may threaten to blast Iran back to the stone age or end their civilization.

Iran’s best counter move would be to accuse Trump of being unwilling to negotiate. And that would actually be the truth.

Trump has midterms to worry about, Iran doesn’t.

But fuming for a few hours or days changes nothing. Oil prices would head back up.

They are already up a few dollars as I type. WTIC is 98.22 with Brent at 104.42. The longer the delay, the more oil prices rise.

Trump Blames Obama

Truth Social: Iran has been playing games with the United States, and the rest of the World, for 47 years (DELAY, DELAY, DELAY!), and then finally hit “pay dirt” when Barack Hussein Obama became President. He was not only good to them, he was great, actually going to their side, jettisoning Israel, and all other Allies, and giving Iran a major and very powerful new lease on life. Hundreds of Billions of Dollars, and 1.7 Billion Dollars in green cash, flown into Tehran, was handed to them on a silver platter. Every Bank in D.C., Virginia, and Maryland was emptied out — It was so much money that when it arrived, the Iranian Thugs had no idea what to do with it. They had never seen money like this, and never will again. It was taken off the plane in suitcases and satchels, and the Iranians couldn’t believe their luck. They finally found the greatest SUCKER of them all, in the form of a weak and stupid American President. He was a disaster as our “Leader,” but not as bad as Sleepy Joe Biden! For 47 years the Iranians have been “tapping” us along, keeping us waiting, killing our people with their roadside bombs, destroying protests, and recently wiping out 42,000 innocent, unarmed protestors, and laughing at our now GREAT AGAIN Country. They will be laughing no longer! President DONALD J. TRUMP

Obama actually had a deal that was working.

Was Iran Honoring Obama’s Deal?

That’s where we need to start. The answer is yes.

This was a war of choice, by warmongers pledging to end wars.

We have Congressional Testimony proof.

Trump’s First Term Flashback

  1. Trump’s US State Department: Iran honoring the terms.
  2. Trump’s Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff: Iran honoring the terms.
  3. International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA): Iran honoring the terms.
  4. Arms Control Association: Iran honoring the terms.
  5. All US European allies: Iran honoring the terms.
  6. Every other signee of the accord: Iran honoring the terms.
  7. Trump’s top general Gen. Joseph Dunford: Iran honoring the terms.
  8. Trump’s Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis: Iran was complying with the terms of the 2015 Iran Nuclear Deal

Key Details on Mattis’ Statement and Context:

  • Testimony (October 2017): Testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Mattis said, “I believe that [Iran] fundamentally [are] in compliance with its nuclear deal”.
  • Contradicting Trump: Mattis, a career hawk, advised that staying in the deal was in the U.S. national security interest, putting him at odds with President Trump’s public criticism of the agreement as an “embarrassment”.

Iran only began stepping back from JCPOA limits (e.g., higher uranium enrichment levels, reduced IAEA access) after Trump unilaterally withdrew in 2018 and reimposed sanctions—not before.

This sequence is well-documented in IAEA reports and international statements that include Trump’s top general and Secretary of Defense.

For discussion and further details, please see What If Iran Just Honored Obama’s Nuclear Deal? Would We Be at War?

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Michael28
Michael28
23 days ago

Usually I find something to disagree with but it appears Mish is as disgusted with Trump as many of us MAGA people are. I wish Trump would resign because he is a disgrace as an American president that puts right wing Israeli Jews before Americans.

55alive
55alive
23 days ago

I was early in my construction business, saw ad locally for a valuable compressor at ridiculous low price and went over to see it. I was expecting to see a used up machine, yet it was dirty but essentially brand new. She was a commercial contractor herself, who was strung along on a big job for her, by the big dog general contractor who knew she was desperate for her money. She was selling her equipment to make mortgage payment in 5 days or loose her home. This is the kind of person we elected president, a cheat at business his whole life. No wonder we are in our current state of collapse.

Lawrence Bird
Lawrence Bird
23 days ago

The simple reality is that Bibi is calling the shots and has been the past two years.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
23 days ago
Reply to  Lawrence Bird

Since before the beginning of this stupid war.

You name it
You name it
21 days ago
Reply to  Lawrence Bird

Bibi’s calling the shots has clearly backfired. Tides turning?

“”This war has the potential of ending in a very disastrous way for Israel precisely because the leverage in the region and the influence in the region is going to shift away from the United States and Israel and toward Iran and its supporters.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/neocon-grandee-robert-kagan-issues-surprise-scathing-critique-iran-war

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
23 days ago

Trump to announce to Iran he will blow up and obliterate everything he doesn’t understand.

Mick
Mick
23 days ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker

Could we get someone to distract him with a Jenga puzzle while the white coats surround him?

Frosty
Frosty
23 days ago

Our “outsiders” involvement in a theologic war in the Middle East is not a smart investment of our nations resources.

The First amendment prohibits the establishment of any particular religion and the entire war violates that amendment.

Stu
Stu
23 days ago

Would Iran not be lost, if they think they will have 100% control over the Strait. Roughly 25% of the Worlds Maritime Oil trade passes through the Strait daily. Mostly represented by Middle Eastern countries oil, being delivered to its buyers. How long will it take for UAE, SA and K to “No” Until the UAE sends in their Army, Navy, Air force etc.?
Teamed up with The U.S. Military, already present and accounted for. Now add in the Saudi Arabian Land Army, and others affected now climbing aboard, and all they are up against, is the Iran Nav um No, Air For um No, some Drones, a few tiny boats and a few misses, yep, that’s it from what we are told.
Unless China and/or Russia sent some more equipment there way, while the pause game was being played, Iran just doesn’t have much, again from what the Administration said anyway…

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
23 days ago
Reply to  Stu

“Would Iran not be lost, if they think they will have 100% control over the Strait.”

Man this grammar is brutal!

It’s really amazing how many mistakes are crammed into that little opener. It’s extremely difficult to read writing this garbled. The entire post is similarly garbled, and that’s before we are even able to (try to) interpret the garbled and delusional intent of the poster.

The random stray capitalizations, the constant mix of tenses, the jumbled phrasing that puts conclusions ahead of conditions, etc etc etc- just a really handicapped level of self expression, and anyone that works through it is rewarded with ideas as fundamentally broken as the writing.

I asked Gemini to explain what’s off about it.

The sentence “Would Iran not be lost, if they think they will have 100% control over the Strait.” contains several grammatical and stylistic issues, primarily involving conditional tense mismatch, pronoun-antecedent agreement, and punctuation.

1. Conditional Tense Mismatch

The sentence uses a “mixed conditional” structure that doesn’t follow standard English rules.

The Issue: It combines a conditional result (“Would… not be lost”) with a present tense condition (“if they think”).

The Fix:

Option A (Second Conditional – Hypothetical): “Would Iran not be lost if they thought they would have…”

Option B (First Conditional – Real Possibility):Will Iran not be lost if they think they will have…”

2. Pronoun-Antecedent Agreement

The Issue: The sentence uses “they” to refer back to “Iran.” While “they” is increasingly common for collective nouns in British English, in formal writing or American English, a country is usually treated as a singular entity.

The Fix: Use “it” instead of “they,” or change “Iran” to “the Iranians” to justify the plural pronoun.

3. Incorrect Punctuation

The Issue: There is a comma before the “if” clause. In English, you generally do not use a comma when the “if” clause follows the main clause.

The Fix: Remove the comma after “lost.”

4. Punctuation at the End

The Issue: The sentence starts with “Would,” which makes it a question, but it ends with a period.

The Fix: Change the period to a question mark (?).

Last edited 23 days ago by Phil in CT
Stu
Stu
23 days ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

Do you think that Middle East Oil Trade Countries, will allow Iran to dictate to them how they will sell, deliver, and how much it will cost them, to sell there oil, lifeline of money, through the Strait. Just simply hand over their Countries trade ability to Iran?

Any better?

Stu
Stu
23 days ago
Reply to  Stu

Are you an English teacher? If so my daughter who teaches teachers how to teach, may be able to help you. It’s for the State, so you would have to reside in hers…

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
23 days ago
Reply to  Stu

No, find a way take all those commas out! 6 commas in that first sentence! If you can’t say something without 6 commas, it’s not working! And stop all the extra words that do nothing like “simply”! It just makes it more garbled.
Use the right form of “there their they’re,” and stop capitalizing everything connected to a proper noun! You should only capitalize the proper noun itself!

Last edited 23 days ago by Phil in CT
Feral Finster
Feral Finster
23 days ago
Reply to  Stu

These countries all have large, expensive and weak militaries. The Saudi and Emirati humiliation in Yemen is well-known.

Jon
Jon
23 days ago
Reply to  Stu

They don’t have a choice. They are 100% dependent upon oil revenues for really their very existence. Without that revenue, they literally starve to death. And Iran can destroy their production infrastructure at any time. Iran is not so dependent. We forced them not to be through decades of sanctions. This is exactly why no American president has ever even considered attacking Iran.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
23 days ago

Is anyone as ashamed of America as I am?

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
23 days ago
Reply to  MelvinRich

I am ashamed of myself for thinking America was better than this for so many years.

moparsully
moparsully
23 days ago

The 90s was fun but I understood it was temporary, what is happening now was unimaginable them

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
23 days ago
Reply to  MelvinRich

What kind of shame am I obligated to feel if I’ve been screaming from the rooftops since 2016 that this guy was a walking tragedy?

Jon
Jon
23 days ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

None. Those who voted for him have that responsibility.

Michael28
Michael28
23 days ago
Reply to  Jon

No they don’t. The choice of Harris was equally absurd.

Jon
Jon
22 days ago
Reply to  Michael28

No she wasn’t. Not even close.

john
john
21 days ago
Reply to  Jon

Little Miss ‘Round Heels was worse than Trump and almost as bad as Bathhouse Barry.

Mick
Mick
23 days ago
Reply to  MelvinRich

We’d have to compare notes to be sure, but probably.

Blurtman
Blurtman
24 days ago

So scads of paper currency were delivered to Iran?

PapaDave
PapaDave
24 days ago
Reply to  Blurtman

From CoPilot

Short answer: Yes, pallets of cash were sent — but it was part of a legal settlement dating back to the 1970s, not a discretionary “gift” or secret payoff.

What actually happened

In January 2016, the Obama administration transferred about $400 million in foreign cash to Iran, delivered on wooden pallets via aircraft. This was the first tranche of a $1.7 billion settlement resolving a decades‑old dispute at the Hague Tribunal. The remaining $1.3 billion represented accumulated interest.

The cash had to be delivered in non‑U.S. currency (euros, Swiss francs, etc.) because U.S. sanctions prevented Iran from accessing the American banking system. Officials from the time acknowledged this openly.

Why the U.S. owed Iran money

Before the 1979 Iranian Revolution, Iran paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment. After the revolution, the U.S. froze the funds and never delivered the weapons. Iran sued at the Hague, and the case dragged on for decades. The 2016 settlement resolved that claim.

This is why fact‑checkers classify the claim as “Mixture”:

• True: Cash pallets were delivered; the total was $1.7B; the timing coincided with a prisoner release.
• False: It was not a “gift,” “donation,” or “ransom.” It was a legal settlement the U.S. was likely to lose with higher interest if it continued fighting.

Why the timing caused controversy

The cash arrived the same day Iran released several American prisoners. Critics argue this looked like a ransom. The administration insisted the settlement and the prisoner release were negotiated separately but finalized simultaneously to ensure both sides complied.

Blurtman
Blurtman
23 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Thanks. But why not just a digital credit?

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
23 days ago
Reply to  Blurtman

Because Iranian banks were sanctioned.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
23 days ago
Reply to  Blurtman

“The cash had to be delivered in non‑U.S. currency (euros, Swiss francs, etc.) because U.S. sanctions prevented Iran from accessing the American banking system. Officials from the time acknowledged this openly.”

PapaDave
PapaDave
23 days ago
Reply to  Blurtman

History repeats. This time, the US has frozen Iranian money in various accounts again. So Iran is demanding that the US unfreeze this money. And eventually we will have to give that money back.

Additionally, Iran is also demanding that the US pay reparations for all the damage they have done in the war.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
23 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

When I was a boy, my mother taught me to leave things the way I found them. She would ensure I paid every penny of reparations her moral code deemed appropriate.

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
23 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Why would the US honor any of this stuff?
They no longer honor much of everything else.
Seemingly only what their President feels like at one time or another.

pokercat
pokercat
23 days ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker

That is a big problem in future treaties or pacts. There is not, nor can there, be any trust in the USA. It may take generations to establish our trustworthiness. If you look at history this dates back to our founding and any treaties we made with Native Americans. America simply can’t be trusted.

Luke
Luke
23 days ago
Reply to  pokercat

I dunno. It’s an interesting question. Obviously, Trump is a corrupt plutocrat, and an outlier on the political stage to a degree. But beyond him, what is the “trustworthiness” of a nation state worth anyways, democracy or dictatorship?
It’s a human concept being applied to an inhuman construct. Politicians may be trusted or not, they are people. Nations/peoples tend to be guided by (perceived) interest.

Quatloo
Quatloo
23 days ago
Reply to  Luke

Trust is measured the same way for nations as it is for people. Do they honor their word? Do they perform their commitments?

Nations, like people, build a track record with others. If your word means nothing, why would anyone even attempt to do a deal with you?

Uwe Ohse
Uwe Ohse
24 days ago

War with unknown consequences

a hard to win war (if it is not totally impossible to win), in which almost nothing can be won, and which will cause an even worse energy crises even in case of a win, and which will have extremely humiliating consequences in case of a loss.

A humiliating deal that lets oil pass through while negotiations continue

while “negotiations” continue – or what Trump thinks of as negotiations.

But why would Iran want that? They surely know they can’t trust Trump to honor even his own deals.

Iran cannot be interested in interim solutions.

Status quo and rising inflation, gasoline prices, fertilizer prices, diesel, etc.

That, interrupted by outbreaks of fighting, until the US hardliners _and_ the US idiots (both groups intersect) understand (and come to terms with) that there is no way for the US to come out of this without losing influence all over the world, followed by a real deal.

misc
misc
24 days ago

What I expect to see is the reinstatement of “Operation Freedom”, but on steroids. That is the destruction of small craft and drones sent out against Gulf traffic along with the complete destruction of those places in Iran where they came from.

If Iran ups the stakes by attacking the infrastructure of their Gulf neighbors, expect Iranian infrastructure to be destroyed/

Jon
Jon
24 days ago
Reply to  misc

All of which means global economic depression and mass starvation due to the loss of fertilizer. But hey, so worth it! /s

Annavajjhala
Annavajjhala
23 days ago
Reply to  misc

Most of the infra has been destroyed already. In between the Israelis are taking out all Universities,Labs and other sitesto put them back into the stone ages. But right Misc ,the US can turn the sites into powder. Iraq, Libya, Syria and now Iran all destroyed but none have democracies as Israel and the US see to it. Goal Accomplished. Bipartisan Affair, Bush,Obama,Trump,Biden,Trump all in Sync on unstated mission.

dtj
dtj
24 days ago

What next? Let the whole thing drag on. Another ‘forever war’ that the “Peace President” promised he wouldn’t get us into. Surprise, surprise, here we are.

Afghanistan was a $3 trillion war. How about going for $5 trillion this time? Great for defense companies, federal contractors and U.S. oil companies.

Sure, the impending oil crisis will cause misery and social unrest and even starvation. but it’s good for ‘the economy’. The stock market can only go up from here.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
23 days ago
Reply to  dtj

He told his billionaire friends he would make them twice as rich, so we get to suffer for it.

’Lil Mr.
’Lil Mr.
24 days ago

They finally found the greatest SUCKER of them all, in the form of a weak and stupid American President.” I believe he is correct. Netenyahoo actually found Taco gullable and stupid enough to start a war with Iran.

JohnT
JohnT
24 days ago
Reply to  ’Lil Mr.

Trump’s not weak.

He’s severely mentally ill, appears physically unfit and he’s probably got nagging misgivings if the rest of the Epstein files leak out and/or he’s being blackmailed.

Whatever Bibi has on him has to be big. His treason is right in the open for god and everyone else to see. The fact that he keeps threatening to nuke Iran shows how bad he’s gotten. It really is time for the 25th Amendment. Now, right now, while we still have the bloody remains of the Republic left.

pokercat
pokercat
23 days ago
Reply to  JohnT

25th is not going to happen, Congress is too weak to impeach so your God is the real answer. Where is that lazy S.O.B.? Guess he/she/it is just a figment of the human imagination. Humans have worshiped at least 18,000 Gods, the latest one is as effective as the rest at creating a positive outcome when people are in need of a solution.
So what is left? Guess we’re on our own.

Last edited 23 days ago by pokercat
Sentient
Sentient
24 days ago
Reply to  ’Lil Mr.

Netanyahu would love to see tremendous American loss of life at the hands of Iran. That way (he thinks), the American people would demand Iran’s destruction. He would also love to see Gulf countries’ energy infrastructure and economies destroyed.

why
why
24 days ago

Well Trump says it’s unacceptable, and yet no bombing of Iran.

We now defer to the Chinese summit to see if China can get Trump to bow. If not this will take at least six months to a year before Trump realizes he isn’t winning.

Just think what the world will look like if he doesn’t back down (US gasoline prices for example, world travel flights another). If this does indeed last longer than six months I fear the use of nuclear bombs as the final means to enforce submission.

The best case is, if this does drag out six months or more, Trump realizing he can’t win and just walks away, but that’s not how things like this usually end.

waynshor
waynshor
24 days ago
Reply to  why

“We now defer to the Chinese summit”
Yes ,we will soon know if Trump releases oil exports to china in exchange for rare earths.

CJW
CJW
24 days ago

This is much better drama than The Apprentice. And the gas prices make for a good audience participation piece as well. I’m just waiting for the “you’re fired” part.

njbr
njbr
24 days ago

In my life in business, I learned to drop any deals with snakey weasels like Trump.

Get effed over once–that’s all it takes.

What credibility does Trump have?

Just because there are millions of fools in the US, doesn’t mean that sovereign nations act the same way.

Trump is inherently untrustworthy and is taking the US government down to his level.

Jojo
Jojo
24 days ago
Reply to  njbr

Iran doesn’t get to walk away. Let’s keep the blockade on and the Strait closed and see what happens. Let’s also start sending weapons and ammunition into Iran for opposition use.

Eventually the pain in Iran will get high enough that the common people will find the bravery to start picking off members of the Regime. One here, another two there, three around the corner. This is how the Iranian Regime loses.

njbr
njbr
24 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

You do realize Iran has already survived decades of sanctions?

Sending weapons to opposition groups in Iran? Gonna be much more difficult than US gun dealers selling to Mexican cartels…

As the clock is ticking, the US and “allies” will feel the pain first..

Jojo
Jojo
24 days ago
Reply to  njbr

You do realize that those sanctions have put Iranon the the economic ropes? That it takes 1.8 MILLION units of their money, the Rial, to equal just US $1? Now, that’s a sign of economic success! 🤣

And then there is their internet shutdown, which a lot of their companies depended on. In their attempt to stifle the voices of their oppressed people, they are strangling their economy further.

Iran Businesses Buckle Under Strain of Record Internet Shutdown

By Golnar Motevalli

May 9, 2026 at 6:00 AM UTC

• Iran’s record internet blackout is taking a heavy toll on private businesses, with owners and industry officials warning that it could lead to mass layoffs and closures.

• The restrictions have cost Iran’s economy more than $2.6 billion, according to global internet monitor Netblocks, and have had a great impact on Iran’s digital economy and more widely.

• The blackout disproportionately impacts women, who make up the majority of self-employed, small business owners who rely on ecommerce and social media platforms to sell goods and services, according to Iran’s vice president for women’s affairs.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-05-09/iran-businesses-buckle-under-strain-of-record-internet-shutdown

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
23 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

This suffering would bring the USA to its knees, that is the flaw in your logic. It will take far greater suffering to bend Iran. You think they don’t know this, and they know you think that.

pokercat
pokercat
23 days ago
Reply to  njbr

Actually the world’s poorest countries will feel the pain first. The real pain for the US may be the joining of most of the rest of the world uniting against us.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
24 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Why waste time with all that. If a speedy end is required, the nuclear option is the fastest way to make things happen.

Doesn’t have to be a US nuke either, a false flag of some kind and Israel can do the dirty work this time.

dtj
dtj
24 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

I hope you’re being sarcastic. I assume so. I do believe they will nuke the so-called nuclear site in Iran before this is all over in order to intimidate Iran into “surrendering unconditionally”. That’s pretty predictable.

It’s not going to make Iran surrender though. It’s just going to make Israel and the U.S. even worse pariahs than they already are.

Last edited 24 days ago by dtj
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
23 days ago
Reply to  dtj

I am.

If there is a nuclear strike I do not imagine it would be a direct launch. Instead I’d expect Israel to lower the yield on an existing bomb (easy to do) to something similar to North Korea (a country just learning how do nukes) and then detonate that lower yield bomb in a secret bombing in Iran to make it look like Iran had a ‘nuclear accident’ when developing it’s own bomb (you need to detonate in a reasonable area where they could be working on a bomb).

Then you tell the world, ‘see, Iran is developing a bomb and being in a hurry because of the war had a nuclear accident’. In other words a false flag to generate support against Iran developing the bomb.

Last edited 23 days ago by TexasTim65
pokercat
pokercat
23 days ago
Reply to  dtj

Using nukes even so called tactical nukes limited to a small area may cause the American people to finally realize what their govt has become, causing devastating internal strife.

Jojo
Jojo
24 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Don’t post stoopid like so many others here!

Jon
Jon
24 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

How many million innocent men, women and children should we kill in order to well, what, exactly?

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
23 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

What’s a few war crimes between child rapist friends who lead their nations?

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
23 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Oh they will.

’Lil Mr.
’Lil Mr.
24 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

We tried that. It was called The Bay of Pigs.

Jojo
Jojo
24 days ago
Reply to  ’Lil Mr.

That was 65 years ago.

JohnT
JohnT
24 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Trump already sent a load of weapon to the Kurds. The weapons “disappeared”. Lol.

Jojo
Jojo
24 days ago
Reply to  JohnT

Then send more.

randocalrissian
randocalrissian
23 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Walk away? They did not walk into anything. Trump’s ego did.

Your vanity in thinking you know the Persians is good free entertainment this morning.

Stu
Stu
23 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

It seems the People choice and hope is in “Reza Pahlavi’s opposition movement” primarily aims for national glory, freedom, legal and political equality for Iran and Iranians, and the establishment of a democratic and accountable government. He seeks to unify various opposition groups and support the Iranian people’s struggle against the current regime. There are other more fragmented groups like MEK? For example, but Reza seems to be the one to get it done, if that’s what the people wish for, imo.

Jon
Jon
23 days ago
Reply to  Stu

Pahlavi’s family was so venal, corrupt and murderous that it caused the revolution in the first place. No chance they want those gangsters back. They have a functioning democracy. They just need the army to stand up to the IRGC and kick out the religious nutcases.

Stu
Stu
22 days ago
Reply to  Jon

He and his movement say differently. I understand that could be a ruse to get in power, but not under these circumstances. He would be lynched as quick as possible. The people wish and desire Peace, and he states that he wants the same for Iran. He has the people behind him, some money, and some backers and supporters.

I see him getting the nod, working with Trump, and helping to end this mess. He has a good chance at success, if he can get the IRGC out of the way by force if necessary, and obviously some help from others. If they help with coordinates it should be over fairly quickly. We shall soon see, because something has to give within the coming month or so…

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
23 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

The guys with F150’s are paying like $200 to tank up… that’s what happens. November should be ugly.

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
24 days ago

For some well referenced thoughts on where we go from here, have a look at the link:

Hal Turner Radio Show – EIGHT WEEKS TO EMPTY SHELVES. SIXTY DAYS TO FAMINE. WHAT CAUSED IT, AND WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IMMEDIATELY

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
24 days ago
Reply to  Dave Smith

The grand irony is that when oil hits $150, $200 or $300, you know who’s going to make a monetary killing? The Middle East, including, Iran and Russia.

Jojo
Jojo
24 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

And all our oil companies even though their cost to extract and market oil has not changed form when it was $60/barrel and they were doing well then.

Sentient
Sentient
24 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

The US is a net importer of oil. While oil companies would make more money, other industries would lose. If high oil prices were an unalloyed good to the US, we would be releasing oil from the strategic.

Jojo
Jojo
24 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

The truth from chatGPT:

Yes—the United States is currently a net exporter of petroleum overall, but there’s an important nuance.

🛢️ Big picture

  • The U.S. exports more petroleum than it imports (this includes crude oil and refined products like gasoline and diesel).
  • This shift happened around 2019, thanks largely to the shale oil boom.

⚖️ The key detail

  • The U.S. is still often a net importer of crude oil specifically.
  • But it exports large amounts of refined products, which more than makes up the difference.

🔍 Why this happens

  • U.S. refineries are optimized to process heavier crude oil, while much of the oil produced domestically is lighter shale oil.
  • So the U.S.:
  • Imports some crude oil suited for its refineries
  • Exports refined fuels and some crude

📊 Summary

  • ✅ Net exporter of total petroleum (crude + products)
  • ❌ Not always a net exporter of crude oil alone
Uwe Ohse
Uwe Ohse
24 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

But if a net exporter of crude oil cannot get as much crude as needed and also has to pay way more, that same net exporter of petroleum products has less products to sell, and also has to raise prices. How that works out in practice has to be seen – some industries may crash, others may prosper, at least if and as long the buyers have enough money.
It all depends on which product is absolutely necessary for the buyer – and which one isn’t.
And it depends on transportation. Which is going to be problematic for a long, long time.

btw: i’m not sure if all US oil companies are doing well. some of them have significant interest in persian gulf oil fields.

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
20 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

We are a net exporter because we are depleting SPR. My understanding is current protocol requires companies taking oil to replace it in kind.

PapaDave
PapaDave
24 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Not all. Most US and Canadian oil companies are doing very well. A few are not because they have lost production from the Persian Gulf area. And some have lost money because they hedged their production. Most of my Canadian oil have doubled or more this year already.

ExxonMobil: profit down 45%

Chevron: profit down 36%

Last edited 24 days ago by PapaDave
Stoic
Stoic
23 days ago
Reply to  Dave Smith

Many thanks for the link, Dave – a very sobering read, that I’d recommend everyone look at – tough times ahead, for sure.

Flavia
Flavia
23 days ago
Reply to  Dave Smith

Great article – a true wake-up call for me.

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
23 days ago
Reply to  Dave Smith

There are few items in the article that take away from its total veracity that I observed. For example, the suggestion that it would take 64 weeks to get oil from the Persian Gulf to service stations in America is not likely. If Transport by VLCC to Los Angeles is 8 weeks as the article suggest, then the inventory held in the refining, distribution and marketing infrastructure would be years’ worth of US consumption, around 7 billion barrels, an order of magnitude greater than the SPR. Second, advising against paying one’s bills to include a voluntarily entered mortgage does not sound like following legal and moral obligations to counter parties. Those and few other less major issues detract but do not diminish from the overall gist of the article.

I believe one item that will contribute to the misery coming forth is the rapid decline in crude production from shale reservoirs. Trump is exporting ever more crude and refined products from our system that includes half our productions from shale and drawing down the SPR. I wish Trump spent half the time he does admiring himself and his ballroom on real domestic issues.

Augustine
Augustine
24 days ago

Iran did release details of their proposal through their state TV:

– The need for the United States to compensate Iran for military damage.

– Recognition of Iran’s sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz.

– Termination of US sanctions.

– Unblocking by the United States of frozen Iranian assets.

MMchenry
MMchenry
24 days ago
Reply to  Augustine

THIS is one of the big reasons when you negotiate you realise it can’t just be “my way or the high way”. Iran has already had a flipant counterparty in the US. If they can buy albeit painful time WTHeck do they care to be giving in ANY way now? Not like the US was. Trump has only pretended to show goodwill. He’s really been a A-hole as far as Iran is concerned.

Jojo
Jojo
24 days ago
Reply to  Augustine

Losers don’t get to make demands.

PapaDave
PapaDave
24 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Which is why Trump will slink away after gaining very little, and leaving Iran more powerful than when the war began. He lost the moment he started this war.

Sentient
Sentient
24 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Correct. The Axis of Evil that launched a sneak attack on Iran cannot make demands on Iran.

Flavia
Flavia
24 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

Yup, that’s the rules of the playground.

radar
radar
24 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Seems obvious Iran doesn’t think they’ve lost. I guess we’ll soon see.

Last edited 24 days ago by radar
Jojo
Jojo
24 days ago
Reply to  radar

Iran is doing what they have always done – shooting off their mouths while beating their chests like they are King Kong’s relative.

In the past, this has worked and scared the West to back down and let Iran win.

Trump isn’t playing that game. Iran and too many dumb internet posters don’t understand this.

Jon
Jon
24 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

When have they done this in the past and forced the West to back down? I seriously don’t recall a single instance of the West threatening to attack Iran and then backing down out of fear.

radar
radar
24 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Who’s denying Trump is not playing that game? That seems very obvious seeing how he started the war. What an idiotic thing to say.

Iran is currently demanding no ships can pass through the strait and those ships are obeying and/or paying tolls, so Iran and the ship owners must not think of Iran as losers. Plain as day to see but some are just too dumb to comprehend it.

Jon
Jon
24 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Apparently, then, they must not feel like they’ve lost. Why would that be? Wouldn’t they know?

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
24 days ago
Reply to  Augustine

First rule of negotiations is to ask for the moon knowing that only a fool is going to agree to it.

Both sides will gradually whittle down their demands in the coming weeks / months.

Neil
Neil
24 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

First rule of negotiations is understanding what the other side values, and what it is hoping to get. The trick is to limit the costs of what you give up and maximise the value you get in return. For that you need to understand the others position very well. Trump has no clue how to play that game.

Jon
Jon
24 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Except neither side has a changed their negotiating position for two months. Sometimes, deals can’t be made unless both sides see some benefit.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
23 days ago
Reply to  Jon

No one lessens their demands unless they have to.

Think about buying a house and making an offer that’s far from the sellers. Neither of you will budge unless you have to (they get desperate to sell and have no other potential buyers and you have no other viable places to live).

David
David
24 days ago
Reply to  Augustine

Sounds extremely reasonable.

Jack X
Jack X
24 days ago

Iran owes the US 47 years of vengeance, they’ve been planning & training for this for easily 30 years. The US is now in it’s collapse phase & Iran will play on The grifter in chiefs ego to finish the job. They absolutely know he won’t humble himself & dig his own grave.

Last edited 24 days ago by Jack X
Albert
Albert
24 days ago

I can feel Trump’s (intense) pain. But when you face asymmetrically committed foes, you can’t win if your home base thinks it was you who started a stupid war.

Jack X
Jack X
24 days ago
Reply to  Albert

Yea, he’s used to inflicting pain on the defenceless & now he’ll spend his last days learning what it feels like, then he’ll go to hell.

Michael
Michael
24 days ago

He’ll pick the option that makes it easier to suspend elections

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
24 days ago
Reply to  Michael
ChrisFromGA
ChrisFromGA
24 days ago

I think Taco is boxed in here. He can’t restart the war, because if he does, Xi will deep-six the summit. Which, by the way, there is still no confirmation from the Chinese that it is gonna happen. That rules out number 1.

Consider (2) a humiliating climbdown. But Israel and the war pigs like Graham won’t him. So door number 3 it is -status quo. Tick, tock, jet fuel running low, Fed clowns checkmated, no rate cuts, higher food and gas prices.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
24 days ago

“Obama actually had a deal that was working.”

If only we had a Nobel Peace Prize winning president right now, we’d all be better off.
Looks like it’s going to be a good week for more profitgasms on energy.

Remember guys, kosher pigs get fat, treif hogs get slaughtered.

And…
Do worry, Trump will find a way to make things even worse.™

MMchenry
MMchenry
24 days ago

Trumpty Dumpty is so Damn Dumb. And a Child-man: thinks whinning and threatening does anything but demonstrate his ignorance and lack of planning. If anything at all it’s probably humorus to Iranian leadership.

Go pout Trump. Pout away. Good thing you don’t have a dog. You’d have probably kicked it to death by now!

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
24 days ago
Reply to  MMchenry

He’s got li’l Marco and a few other puppydogs to kick.

Jon
Jon
24 days ago
Reply to  MMchenry

Where, oh where, is that hero Vance win we need him?

Tom
Tom
24 days ago

If he declared it unacceptable and continues the blockade then he doesn’t lose. He will need a distraction though. Once everyone is looking at his invasion of Cuba, he can just remove the navy from the Middle East and if anyone asks him, it’s been solved. Yeah, that bonkers but watch.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
24 days ago
Reply to  Tom

We were never at war with Westasia.

Jon
Jon
24 days ago
Reply to  Tom

What if the Cubans shoot back though?

Tony Frank
Tony Frank
24 days ago

The talk show president believes this situation is nothing more than game where he believes he is the host. Unfortunately, this is serious business.

Jack X
Jack X
24 days ago
Reply to  Tony Frank

The Grifter in Chief is like the show host on The Running Man movie, look what happened to him & you’ll see how this ends.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
24 days ago
Reply to  Jack X

Arnold needs to come out of retirement and fix this, as only he can.

Jack X
Jack X
24 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Iran is Arnold, come on now get with the programme.

Tom
Tom
24 days ago
Reply to  Tony Frank

He really needs a commercial break

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
24 days ago
Reply to  Tony Frank

Millions will likely starve next year over his comic shenanigans.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
24 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Potentially 10s of millions and possibly more than 100+ million with a majority of that coming in Africa.

The real question is will those 10s of millions starve quietly or will they mass migrate from Africa into Europe and the Middle East.

Last edited 24 days ago by TexasTim65
El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
23 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Will we see the Starvin’ Marvins this time, like we did on cable the time before. Emaciated people feebly doing tictoc dances for tips maybe?

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
24 days ago
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
24 days ago

Pretty sure the US would be fine if the Uranium went to Russia since Russia has plenty of their own so it wouldn’t make any difference if they had it.

The idea is for Iran not to have it.

Jennifer Scuteri
Jennifer Scuteri
24 days ago

Never a comment like, “Iran’s proposed peace plan is not good for the U.S. and our allies.” Never the stateman Trump, always makes everything about himself. A sociopath narcissist who thinks he knows what he is doing.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
24 days ago

He’s getting attention, and that’s all he really wants. The more asinine his statements, the more attention he gets.

Jojo
Jojo
24 days ago

Yet Trump is President, chosen by 75+ MILLION people and you are a random internet commenter with no power to change or effect anything.

Stoic
Stoic
24 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

That’s all those millions of people as wilfully blind/stupid as you – almost unbelievable.

Jon
Jon
24 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

75 million out of a population of 330 million.

Jack X
Jack X
24 days ago

$300 oil coming up! WINNING!

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